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they will wear yellow jackets and run away at the first sign of trouble. macron is just trying to show himself as "P5 leader" kind of like various minor bollywood khans also claim to be khans and hence big dogs.
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What a coup that will be if Kurds agree to immediately handover all their territory to Damascus. The SAA could move in quickly, before the Turks attack, and then dare Erdogan to start a shooting war with Syria, Iran and Russia. We always assumed that whatever the outcome of the war, the Kurd parts of Syria were forever lost to Damascus. But there is an opportunity to reunify the entire country (save Idlib) in one fell swoop. What a crazy, unexpected and dramatic turnaround!
Hopefully the Kurds will be smart and realize their only chance is the Syrian govt. Living under Assad's rule with some kind of autonomy is certainly a better fate than invasion by 15,000 jihadists + the Turkish army. At least the SAA won't rape and pillage them. The Russians and Syrians can even sell the idea to Turkey by promising to end cross-border attacks by the Kurds or even disarming them.
Hopefully the Kurds will be smart and realize their only chance is the Syrian govt. Living under Assad's rule with some kind of autonomy is certainly a better fate than invasion by 15,000 jihadists + the Turkish army. At least the SAA won't rape and pillage them. The Russians and Syrians can even sell the idea to Turkey by promising to end cross-border attacks by the Kurds or even disarming them.
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Or promising not to bomb the pakistan out of Istanbul? With the US "withdrawal" (which I very much doubt to be real) I don't see how Idlib can remain unliberated. Turkey vs US-Oirope is no longer very lovey-dovey, and Turkey-KSA-Quatar has had a thieves' fallout after the ISIS debacle. Half the best air fauj pilots are getting buggered in jail or dead. I would say that Turkey is very much a shell militarily, and probably economically. Question is the way to make biss with Russia/Iran with the least dents to H&D and, quite literally, Sovirginity. Russians can still cause a split-off of Turkish Kurdistan - and turn it into a haven for all Kurds, thereby relieving pressure on Iranian and Syrian Kurdistan. Just a thought. The logical result of one Kurdistan gaining independence, is all Kurdistan's gaining it. OTOH, right now, Iran and Syria have Putin protection whereas Turkey (if u observe) has managed to biss off EVERYONE. OK, maybe Israel will come to their aid. :LOL
So Kurds may gladly accept one free Kurdistan. The only way Turkey can avoid this outcome is to GUBO to the Russians.
So Kurds may gladly accept one free Kurdistan. The only way Turkey can avoid this outcome is to GUBO to the Russians.
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How can Sunni Kurds tie up with Shia Assad Group?Green Kurds will shed green in their holy war against Sunni Turkey.Y. Kanan wrote:What a coup that will be if Kurds agree to immediately handover all their territory to Damascus. The SAA could move in quickly, before the Turks attack, and then dare Erdogan to start a shooting war with Syria, Iran and Russia. We always assumed that whatever the outcome of the war, the Kurd parts of Syria were forever lost to Damascus. But there is an opportunity to reunify the entire country (save Idlib) in one fell swoop. What a crazy, unexpected and dramatic turnaround!
Hopefully the Kurds will be smart and realize their only chance is the Syrian govt. Living under Assad's rule with some kind of autonomy is certainly a better fate than invasion by 15,000 jihadists + the Turkish army. At least the SAA won't rape and pillage them. The Russians and Syrians can even sell the idea to Turkey by promising to end cross-border attacks by the Kurds or even disarming them.
It will be Turkey, Qatar vs Saudi, ISIS, AL Quida vs Shias.
Good fun all around
Ultimately Germany will be conquered by Islam.
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Ah! U mean Islamic Germany will conquer Islamic France, running over Islamic Belgium like they always do. And all will bray towards Islamagood (Mecca is on the way).
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Viking Islamo vs European Islamics Vs MiddleEast ISIS Vs Shias will all sit together & peacefully discuss new ways of genocide, rape, Halala, decivilization of their respective middle class.UlanBatori wrote:Ah! U mean Islamic Germany will conquer Islamic France, running over Islamic Belgium like they always do. And all will bray towards Islamagood (Mecca is on the way).
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Sudanese President Arrives in Syria Aboard Russian Plane as Mailman of the Saudis
https://russia-insider.com/en/sudanese- ... is/ri25723
https://russia-insider.com/en/sudanese- ... is/ri25723
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Just think: This is A***'s way of reversing the evils of western degenerateness. Only IED-makers will be left as industry.
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Eu will be 20% islam 20% african and 60% gora
A combustible mixture imo
A combustible mixture imo
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Some new video of Saudi LAV-25 hit by Houti Konkurs
https://rg.ru/2018/12/23/popadanie-ptur ... video.html
https://rg.ru/2018/12/23/popadanie-ptur ... video.html
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there are violent anti govt protests ongoing in Sudan.
sections of the army have joined the protesters
its a large country south of egypt, with a coast on the red sea. ideal for a org like ISIS to find new recruits and bases.
sections of the army have joined the protesters
its a large country south of egypt, with a coast on the red sea. ideal for a org like ISIS to find new recruits and bases.
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in preparation for grabbing for land in north syria using well armed proxies , turkey is moving lots of mechanized and artillery forces to the border
https://twitter.com/VivaRevolt/status/1 ... 6266872832
time is running out for the SDF kurds. the US will soon go and cannot control turkey. their only hope is a joint venture with the syrian army to take over the border tracks and wave the syrian govt flag at the turks poised to march in, backed by RUAF show of force.
north east syria is fertile land. they might lose it all and have to retreat to northern iraq and adjacent tracts of eastern anatolia.
https://twitter.com/VivaRevolt/status/1 ... 6266872832
time is running out for the SDF kurds. the US will soon go and cannot control turkey. their only hope is a joint venture with the syrian army to take over the border tracks and wave the syrian govt flag at the turks poised to march in, backed by RUAF show of force.
north east syria is fertile land. they might lose it all and have to retreat to northern iraq and adjacent tracts of eastern anatolia.
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looks like DT has given Erdogan a blank cheque to fight ISIS in syria , which he will now cash in to grab kurdish lands
turks will not be invading Idlib anytime soon.
CNN
(CNN)US President Donald Trump told Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan the US was "done" with Syria as the pair discussed the possible withdrawal of US forces from the country.
Erdogan was explaining all the problems with the US presence in Iraq and Syria and was irritating Trump, according to a senior administration official who received a detailed readout of the phone call between both presidents.
"OK, it's all yours. We are done," Trump said, according to the source.
Trump announced his decision on Wednesday to withdraw forces from Syria.
Erdogan made his case to Trump during the December 14 call that the US should pull out of Syria by pointing to the near-total defeat of ISIS in the country, according to a separate source familiar with the call. The President then sought assurances from Erdogan that Turkey would continue to fight ISIS and defeat the terrorist group.
A senior White House official said Erdogan gave Trump his "word" that Turkey would finish off ISIS.
"In the call on Friday, Erdogan said to the President, 'In fact, as your friend, I give you my word in this,'" the senior White House official said.
Erdogan, for his part, described his conversation with Trump during a speech last Friday, saying he told Trump that he could clear Syria of ISIS.
"During a conversation I had with Mr. Trump -- he said 'ISIS, can you clear ISIS from this area?'" Erdogan recalled. "We did it before, and we can again as long as we have logistic support from you."
"And so they began pulling out," Erdogan said.
"Within the framework of the phone call we had with Mr. Trump, we have started preparing plans for operations to clear the ISIS elements still within Syria," he continued.
turks will not be invading Idlib anytime soon.
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(CNN)US President Donald Trump told Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan the US was "done" with Syria as the pair discussed the possible withdrawal of US forces from the country.
Erdogan was explaining all the problems with the US presence in Iraq and Syria and was irritating Trump, according to a senior administration official who received a detailed readout of the phone call between both presidents.
"OK, it's all yours. We are done," Trump said, according to the source.
Trump announced his decision on Wednesday to withdraw forces from Syria.
Erdogan made his case to Trump during the December 14 call that the US should pull out of Syria by pointing to the near-total defeat of ISIS in the country, according to a separate source familiar with the call. The President then sought assurances from Erdogan that Turkey would continue to fight ISIS and defeat the terrorist group.
A senior White House official said Erdogan gave Trump his "word" that Turkey would finish off ISIS.
"In the call on Friday, Erdogan said to the President, 'In fact, as your friend, I give you my word in this,'" the senior White House official said.
Erdogan, for his part, described his conversation with Trump during a speech last Friday, saying he told Trump that he could clear Syria of ISIS.
"During a conversation I had with Mr. Trump -- he said 'ISIS, can you clear ISIS from this area?'" Erdogan recalled. "We did it before, and we can again as long as we have logistic support from you."
"And so they began pulling out," Erdogan said.
"Within the framework of the phone call we had with Mr. Trump, we have started preparing plans for operations to clear the ISIS elements still within Syria," he continued.
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question is whether Erdogan was secretly pulling DT into his impulsive moves, via some pact made in Astana talks with iran and russia, to get the US off the chessboard and then share in the spoils.
I guess Damascus, with a weak hand and a war weary restive population would prefer a "new turkey DMZ" along Nordfront and even tolerate Idlib so long as things are kept quiet than a breakaway proto state of Rojava which would also be a major US base to "keep an eye in all directions". if they are given control of the oil and gas fields east of euphrates by the orphaned SDF, in exchange for keeping the turkiye wolves off their necks , might be willing to amicably invest all over the country to rebuild. Raqqa is a heap of ruins and DEZ periphery cannot be much better though the garrison under late gen Zahreddine never let the ISIS enter the main town.
turkey wants leadership of the islamic block as the largest and most sophisticated economy, war machine and strategic location. saudis are their main adversary. using mandala theory, qatar is pals with them and even the iranians because KSA is against iran in any format.
a "new syria" may emerge from the ashes in 6 months. iran will look to maintain their presence and control over logistical networks from iraqi border upto lebanon hezbollah depots.
I guess Damascus, with a weak hand and a war weary restive population would prefer a "new turkey DMZ" along Nordfront and even tolerate Idlib so long as things are kept quiet than a breakaway proto state of Rojava which would also be a major US base to "keep an eye in all directions". if they are given control of the oil and gas fields east of euphrates by the orphaned SDF, in exchange for keeping the turkiye wolves off their necks , might be willing to amicably invest all over the country to rebuild. Raqqa is a heap of ruins and DEZ periphery cannot be much better though the garrison under late gen Zahreddine never let the ISIS enter the main town.
turkey wants leadership of the islamic block as the largest and most sophisticated economy, war machine and strategic location. saudis are their main adversary. using mandala theory, qatar is pals with them and even the iranians because KSA is against iran in any format.
a "new syria" may emerge from the ashes in 6 months. iran will look to maintain their presence and control over logistical networks from iraqi border upto lebanon hezbollah depots.
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I think Turkey is vastly overrated and on the verge of mutiny. Right now if Gen. Vodkov provides support, the SAA can crush the Turkish forces: the SAA are used to a "nothing to lose" environment for the past 10 years, and battle-hardened. The Turks just bugger each other, they have not won any battles and have been mostly supporting the losing side in every war. I am sure Erdogan knows all this. The US pullout is most of all a signal to Putin that he has won, and the pique in Trump's withdrawal statement may be mostly frustration with Turkey and KSA and even Israel for having put the US in a no-win situation.
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This is all to such a dramatic climax so unexpectedly. What drama; Assad has this sudden opportunity, if he plays his cards right, to reunify the entire country by embracing the Kurds. If the Kurds Kay down their arms in a leap of faith and formally join the SAA, this can be held up to the entire Syrian population as this shining moment of national unity, when former enemies stood side by side against the dreaded Turks. What a dramatic and unexpected opportunity to end this whole thing. There are rumors that something like this is in the works. Interesting times.
I’m just waiting for another false flag gas attack to conviently happen and justify Trump reversing the decision. The internal power struggle going on in Washington must be really heating up right now.
I’m just waiting for another false flag gas attack to conviently happen and justify Trump reversing the decision. The internal power struggle going on in Washington must be really heating up right now.
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iraq is now 4 nations or kabilas in a uneasy peace ... everyone has heavy weaponry and armed militias and is adopting a wait and watch posture. people have disbanded in name only. everyone has a ak47 under the bed.
- kurds in the northern belt mountains (qandil mountains, sinjar etc)...kirkuk..erbil...they dominate the mountains along iran border also
- turk pasand sunni turkomans in the plain lands around mosul and further beyond
- saudi pasand sunnis of central iraq (tikrit, samarra, falluja, ramadi, al qaeem, western desert tharthar lake, haditha...)..the intial pride lands of the ISIS
- iran pasand shias from baghdad & karbala down the tigris & euphrates to basra
in between are some small minorities like yezidis, assyrians and mandeans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandaeans
they have survived in the cracks and spaces among the major kabilas for aeons by keeping low profile and paying jaziya when needed
the new PM is ethnically a Kurd. he is visiting Syria.
- kurds in the northern belt mountains (qandil mountains, sinjar etc)...kirkuk..erbil...they dominate the mountains along iran border also
- turk pasand sunni turkomans in the plain lands around mosul and further beyond
- saudi pasand sunnis of central iraq (tikrit, samarra, falluja, ramadi, al qaeem, western desert tharthar lake, haditha...)..the intial pride lands of the ISIS
- iran pasand shias from baghdad & karbala down the tigris & euphrates to basra
in between are some small minorities like yezidis, assyrians and mandeans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandaeans
they have survived in the cracks and spaces among the major kabilas for aeons by keeping low profile and paying jaziya when needed
the new PM is ethnically a Kurd. he is visiting Syria.
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https://twitter.com/furkan_azeri/status ... 3842823168
long lines of turkiye funded militant columns streaming toward the SDF held Manbij to pounce once the US leaves
this gang of bandits call themselves the jaish al sharquiya
long lines of turkiye funded militant columns streaming toward the SDF held Manbij to pounce once the US leaves
this gang of bandits call themselves the jaish al sharquiya
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turkish maximalists want most of syria and iraq
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http://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/1ecf ... 40a37291a7
^^ kurds have gone seeking good offices of russia to save themselves from the vast ottoman horde now gathering along the border...
another rumor is KSA, UAE and Egypt will back Damascus to cut down Turkeys ambitions and make it lose face in syria.
^^ kurds have gone seeking good offices of russia to save themselves from the vast ottoman horde now gathering along the border...
another rumor is KSA, UAE and Egypt will back Damascus to cut down Turkeys ambitions and make it lose face in syria.
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a unit of tiger forces in hama downed this drone
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https://en.muraselon.com/2018/12/iraqi- ... sis-syria/
iraqi F16s destroyed some isis targets inside syria a place called El Sousa in lower euphrates
iraqi F16s destroyed some isis targets inside syria a place called El Sousa in lower euphrates
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https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2018 ... -released/
missing UAE princess produced and has meal with UN official
missing UAE princess produced and has meal with UN official
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ATM be braised! I am so relieved. Brinjej Wackosha seems fine. Put on a bit of weight on musharraf since last seen, which indicates halal diet, not jail cell cuisine.
Wonder what they did to her "rescuer" the Scarlet Pimp -e- Nell gold-digger.
Wonder what they did to her "rescuer" the Scarlet Pimp -e- Nell gold-digger.
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Most likely thrashed and then put on next flight to paree
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A flying wing would be a very small RCS target and this is a small drone tooSingha wrote:a unit of tiger forces in hama downed this drone
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same type as the ones that periodically attack hymenim base. so Idlib has a factory somewhere to mount the mission gear and explosives on a COTS airframes. must be some euro or chinese hobby drone .
sophisticated and cheap fixed wing drones are cots now
https://www.smashingrobotics.com/overvi ... -aviation/
sophisticated and cheap fixed wing drones are cots now
https://www.smashingrobotics.com/overvi ... -aviation/
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^ above drone is exact same design as the 45 combat drones that attacked Russian airbase recently.
Though COTS technology, Russian Commander said that the drones were very sophisticated, changing altitude and direction rapidly, making targetting difficult.
The above drone is v2.0, made from composite material and has 5 kg of explosive. It's nose shape points to sophisticated design of a warhead arrived at after much experimentation, very much like the Israeli Harpy.( points to a very sophisticated knowledge of aerodynamics, control engineering and computer coding, better than our DRDO levels, which are still iterative. No way our brothers in a cave could come up with this.)
I Wonder which country on Earth has such sophisticated control engineering and coding technology, which can work wonders with off the shelf hardware?
Let's assume, for argument's sake that there are commercial tools out there, but also remember that DRDO tools are more sophisticated than these.
Also, there's a more primitive model, v 1.0, shaped like a Tigermoth aircraft of WW-Ii, built entirely of wood. Even this was a bugger to bring down.
Though COTS technology, Russian Commander said that the drones were very sophisticated, changing altitude and direction rapidly, making targetting difficult.
The above drone is v2.0, made from composite material and has 5 kg of explosive. It's nose shape points to sophisticated design of a warhead arrived at after much experimentation, very much like the Israeli Harpy.( points to a very sophisticated knowledge of aerodynamics, control engineering and computer coding, better than our DRDO levels, which are still iterative. No way our brothers in a cave could come up with this.)
I Wonder which country on Earth has such sophisticated control engineering and coding technology, which can work wonders with off the shelf hardware?
Let's assume, for argument's sake that there are commercial tools out there, but also remember that DRDO tools are more sophisticated than these.
Also, there's a more primitive model, v 1.0, shaped like a Tigermoth aircraft of WW-Ii, built entirely of wood. Even this was a bugger to bring down.
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* The Singhasaurus beat me to it.
Good posts Sir, and miss your writings.
Good posts Sir, and miss your writings.
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"rogue elements" of turkish aerospace industries could have been hived off into a SPV for plausible denial to make this happen. or maybe like a MNC they have hired some "freelance" drone engineers in europe who are willing to do it for good money.
1 or 2 such may be work of a individual genius who turned to jihadism but the number of drones sent to attack hymenim points to a more industrial effort.
they are flying in NLOS mode and do not have the space and weight for a satellite Ku band terminal like predator+ do , so may be flying via programmed 3d waypoints like the french drone link I posted does. that way once it acquires GPS signal and takes off, its fire and forget and target layout of hymenium is well known from satellite pics. looks like easy SW exists from OEMs to visually program the path.
1 or 2 such may be work of a individual genius who turned to jihadism but the number of drones sent to attack hymenim points to a more industrial effort.
they are flying in NLOS mode and do not have the space and weight for a satellite Ku band terminal like predator+ do , so may be flying via programmed 3d waypoints like the french drone link I posted does. that way once it acquires GPS signal and takes off, its fire and forget and target layout of hymenium is well known from satellite pics. looks like easy SW exists from OEMs to visually program the path.
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the joke that NATO is minus the US is evident from the description of its syria ops ... fighting the ISIL air force that too from over turkey
on paper they have 20 E3 a/c , nearly the same number as the US , but in reality all paper tigers
https://awacs.nato.int/operations/curre ... tions.aspx
Support to the counter ISIL coalition
STARTED 20TH OF OCTOBER 2016
In view of the threat posed by ISIL, NATO decided to enhance its contribution to the Global Coalition to Counter ISIL with AWACS surveillance aircraft. NATO’s advanced Airborne Warning and Control System Aircraft (AWACS) aircraft support the Coalition’s overall air picture by providing surveillance and situational awareness, thereby making the skies safer. They will not coordinate Coalition air strikes or provide command and control for fighter aircraft. AWACS only fly over international airspace or over Turkey. AWACS can detect aircraft hundreds of kilometers away so they can monitor airspace in Iraq and Syria from inside Turkey. This is an important contribution to the Counter-ISIL effort and a clear signal of NATO’s determination to help fight terrorism. By providing AWACS support, NATO is demonstrating its resolve to tackle security challenges coming from the south. The first flight took place on the 20th of October 2016.
on paper they have 20 E3 a/c , nearly the same number as the US , but in reality all paper tigers
https://awacs.nato.int/operations/curre ... tions.aspx
Support to the counter ISIL coalition
STARTED 20TH OF OCTOBER 2016
In view of the threat posed by ISIL, NATO decided to enhance its contribution to the Global Coalition to Counter ISIL with AWACS surveillance aircraft. NATO’s advanced Airborne Warning and Control System Aircraft (AWACS) aircraft support the Coalition’s overall air picture by providing surveillance and situational awareness, thereby making the skies safer. They will not coordinate Coalition air strikes or provide command and control for fighter aircraft. AWACS only fly over international airspace or over Turkey. AWACS can detect aircraft hundreds of kilometers away so they can monitor airspace in Iraq and Syria from inside Turkey. This is an important contribution to the Counter-ISIL effort and a clear signal of NATO’s determination to help fight terrorism. By providing AWACS support, NATO is demonstrating its resolve to tackle security challenges coming from the south. The first flight took place on the 20th of October 2016.
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another huge jihadi convoy streams into manbij for forthcoming attack on kurds
https://twitter.com/Souria4Syrians/stat ... 3058951169
https://twitter.com/Souria4Syrians/stat ... 3058951169
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Israel engages air defenses to intercept anti-aircraft missile from Syria – IDF
https://www.rt.com/news/447395-israel-a ... nse-syria/
Lots of videos in that link including 8 Ripple Fire by pantisir system to take on Israel Deliah cruise missile fired by Israel F-16I
https://www.rt.com/news/447395-israel-a ... nse-syria/
Lots of videos in that link including 8 Ripple Fire by pantisir system to take on Israel Deliah cruise missile fired by Israel F-16I
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Israel’s airstrikes on Syria threatened 2 civilian flights landing in Beirut & Damascus – Russia
https://www.rt.com/news/447423-israel-s ... an-planes/
https://www.rt.com/news/447423-israel-s ... an-planes/
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The Assad must go curse strikes again….
Elijah J. Magnier
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Ibrahim Assaf replaced Adel al-Jubeir, the SaudiArabia ex-FM who wanted to remove Bashar al-Assad by “military force or diplomatic means"
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Dec 27
Ibrahim Assaf replaced Adel al-Jubeir, the SaudiArabia ex-FM who wanted to remove Bashar al-Assad by “military force or diplomatic means"
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SeeEnnEnn says SAA has entered Manbij per Kurd request.
beeBeesee says same thing about Manbij
UN has become a total joke if Turkey thinks it has more right to be in Manbij than Syria does.
Also, Turkey-Russia reach "understanding" on Syria.after Kurdish fighters called on Syrian forces to protect the area from the threat of a Turkish attack
beeBeesee says same thing about Manbij
UN has become a total joke if Turkey thinks it has more right to be in Manbij than Syria does.
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More Isreali strikes on Syria
https://m.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Syria ... ted-575430
... I thought the S-300’s (or was it S400’s?) we’re deployed in Syria months ago. They appear to be having no deterrent effect.
https://m.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Syria ... ted-575430
... I thought the S-300’s (or was it S400’s?) we’re deployed in Syria months ago. They appear to be having no deterrent effect.
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This happened on 25th and SAA said most stand off missile were intercepted but 2-3 managed to hit a ammo dump and 3 Syrian soldier were injured , this aircraft was in Lebanon airspace
Many videos I paosted
Many videos I paosted
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Y. Kanan wrote:They appear to be having no deterrent effect.
for more than 4 months, not a squeak heard from Israel. You forget all that and now with this one incident you mention 'they have no deterrent effect' ?? Israel mostly fires stand-off LR air-launched cruise missiles from Lebenese airspace and claims victories in Syria.
The pattern of Israel AF playing hide & seek in Western Syrian air space is over. They cannot enter that anymore without paying a cost. Not even a tiny squeak from them since the S300 was deployed since september 2018.