ArjunPandit wrote:^^could it be for gauging the capabilities of JF17??
More likely it is a fishing expedition with no intention to purchase anything.
ArjunPandit wrote:^^could it be for gauging the capabilities of JF17??
I am not sure, but why does ELTA need to talk to MBDA?ks_sachin wrote:MBDA will not talk to Eltasudeepj wrote:HaHa.. why? weight wise, the missile does not appear exceptional. Are there some other requirements that preclude carriage by the LCA?
Most missile data links are proprietary as are radar algorithms. Unless both OEMs share it with the aircraft designer/manufacturer, integration isn’t possible. In this case while we have ELTA 2032 algorithms and will get 2052 ones, MBDA has refused to share Meteor codes for both Su-30 (Bars) and Tejas.sudeepj wrote:I am not sure, but why does ELTA need to talk to MBDA?ks_sachin wrote: MBDA will not talk to Elta
The ELTA radar will provide guidance to the LCA combat/weapon management system, like (target, bearing, velocity),
The LCA combat management system will need to feed this information to the missile at launch over the standard data bus,
Midcourse updates can be provided over the data-link that meteor has,
and at an appropriate time the missile will switch ON its seeker and chase the enemy air craft.
To my naive eyes, the only thing missing appears to be the data-link. Ofcourse, we will also need carriage/separation trials..
But because we own the combat/weapon management system on Tejas, this appears to be doable as long as we can communicate with the missile. Is the radar supposed to be the emitter for this’ll communication or is it 'just another' LRU?
The datalink is derived from the radar beam. Because radar is the only thing onboard a aircraft which is powerful enough to transmit to 100+ km. Sharing datalink integration & encryption might open a window for ECM, although I have no knowledge in this area.sudeepj wrote: But because we own the combat/weapon management system on Tejas, this appears to be doable as long as we can communicate with the missile. Is the radar supposed to be the emitter for this communication or is it 'just another' LRU?
But expected Saar. One cannot stop it. Question is, can we benefit from such situations?chola wrote:^^^ Look what Shooklaw has started!!!
I think it is okay to propagate the fact that LCA-Tejas is better and far deadlier than the JF-17 Thunder-Bunder....
Another thing for which the HAL can pat itself on the back is that Malaysia has shown interest in Tejas and reports say that Kuala Lumpur may even prefer it over Sino-Pakistani JF-17 'Thunder'. The Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) is considered far deadlier than the JF-17 Thunder fighter by many experts. The current version of Tejas might be slightly costlier than its Sino-Pakistani counterpart, but the HAL manufactured fighter reportedly offers better performance.
Nam ji, a radar's range is defined w.r.t. the size of the object it can track i.e. at that range a quantity of radiation is strong enough to get back to the receiver for a fixed size of an object. Actual propagation distances of the waves are way more.nam wrote:
Another aspect to consider is Meteor's range. If it can fly to more than 150KM and LCA's radar cannot provide datalink, because of range limitation. no point having longer range.
No benefit unless it is real. Otherwise, we could be jumping the gun and leaving egg on our faces.disha wrote:But expected Saar. One cannot stop it. Question is, can we benefit from such situations?chola wrote:^^^ Look what Shooklaw has started!!!
That is already an universally known fact.I think it is okay to propagate the fact that LCA-Tejas is better and far deadlier than the JF-17 Thunder-Bunder.
Fair assessment , I don't think anyone is touching Tejas with a 10 feet barge pole until its in Mk1A and filling up 5 squadrons.Nishn wrote:Slightly off topic but the rascal Zakir Naik if anyone still remembers him, was requested on extradition, these guys quietly gave him citizenship and a safe house instead. They are certainly not our friends by any means.
The LCA invite is just to fill the tarmac at the Langkawai Air show. The Paki JF-17 won't make the cut either, because they know a thing or two of the RD-33 engines, being Mig-29 operators. They had a squadron (now grounded) called the Smoking Bandits because of the obvious engine smoke issue on Mig-29's. Half their SU-30's are grounded too for lack of spares and no in-house capacity to do heavy maintenance.
Won't the dual rack pylon be considered a first for the Tejas? No lungi dances?
India could realize a meteor class AAM inside of a year .. fingers crossed!tsarkar wrote:The crafty French realised if we get a potent missile like Meteor, we won’t buy more Rafale. Hence playing dirty to integration with Su-30 & Tejas
Its not new, It has been there for at least a couple of years nowgaurav.p wrote:Won't the dual rack pylon be considered a first for the Tejas? No lungi dances?
Radar based Data link range will always be at least few order of magnitude more than radar range, due to active transmission by missile radio compared to passive reflection due to rf illumination by radar.nam wrote:.....Another aspect to consider is Meteor's range. If it can fly to more than 150KM and LCA's radar cannot provide datalink, because of range limitation. no point having longer range.
DRDO should speed up SFDR.
Saurav Jha’s tweet seems to indicate SP-12 has rolled out ?Nishn wrote:While we're waiting for the SP-12, 13s etc to roll off the line.....I'll ask about this doubt in my mind.
How does Tejas FCS (or any single engine plane) account for an asymmetry in its weapons load while flying.
Its done by FCS is it not.SriKumar wrote:Thanks. I assume the trim will move the respective aileron to correct for pitch, and rudder for yaw.
Are these the new low drag pylons?Kakarat wrote:Its not new, It has been there for at least a couple of years nowgaurav.p wrote:Won't the dual rack pylon be considered a first for the Tejas? No lungi dances?
Nice ! 3 flights in the sqn. Last flight in the queue, then squadron is completely loaded.Indranil wrote:What kind of Jingos are you
SP-12 flew at the end of Nov. It joined the squadron yesterday. SP13 and 14 to roll out soon.
As for asymmetric loads, the FCS takes care of it. No load is passed to the pilot.
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AFAIK trimming asymmetric weapon load (resulting in wing halves seeing drag difference as well as lift requirement) requires both aileron and rudder correction. In case of tail less Tejas it would be thus elevon and rudder.SriKumar wrote:ks_sachin- yes FCS controls everything on the craft but ultimately the FCS has to move a control surface, and for the yaw control other than the rudder I was not clear if there was another surface involved- I'll google it.
this is still unanswered.Rahul M wrote:
trivia : can any oldie tell me (without googling) what ASIEO did for the LCA project and why we dont hear its name any more ?
Areas of Work
DARE has two major wings– the Electronic Warfare (EW) wing and the Mission Avionics Wing (MAW). The EW wing concentrates on development of Radar Warning Systems and EW suites for aircraft. The MAW conducts Research and Development in the area of Mission Avionics. In addition to development, DARE also conducts testing and integration of the systems into aircraft.
Achievements
DRDO's avionics program has been a success story; DARE being the lead designer in several of these efforts. Its Mission computers, radar warning receivers, high accuracy direction finding pods, airborne jammers, flight instrumentation, are used across a wide variety of Indian Air Force aircraft. The organization began developing these various items for its upgrades, and for the LCA project. Variants were then developed for other aircraft.
The DRDO is also co-developing more advanced avionics for the Light Combat Aircraft and the IAF's combat fleet. These include a range of powerful Open Architecture computers, better Defensive avionics including modern RWR's, self-protection jammers, missile approach warning systems and integrated defensive suites, optronics systems (such as Infrared search and track systems) and navigational systems such as Ring Laser Gyro based inertial navigation systems.
Some products developed by DARE include:
AEW Systems: Built for Indian Air Force and Navy aircraft, these consist of Electronic Support Measures and Self-Protection Jammers.
Radar Warning Systems: Developed for fighter aircraft in 1997. The units are being produced by Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) for use in all IAF and Indian Navy aircraft & Helicopters.
Mission Avionics: DARE has developed the Mission computers and avionics for various aircraft, including the HAL Tejas, Jaguar DARIN-II and the Su-30MKI. The mission avionics includes a Mission Computer, Display Processor and Radar Computer. All have been indigenously developed, and represent major breakthroughs in achieving technical proficiency in these technologies.
And Sir if your observation turns out to be true then within that one year, french will offer meteor once more, only this time without any preconditions.kit wrote:India could realize a meteor class AAM inside of a year .. fingers crossed!tsarkar wrote:The crafty French realised if we get a potent missile like Meteor, we won’t buy more Rafale. Hence playing dirty to integration with Su-30 & Tejas
no links, but an observation
Sirji you had said not to use googal. I had used it years ago so respected your wishes...Rahul M wrote:this is still unanswered.Rahul M wrote:
trivia : can any oldie tell me (without googling) what ASIEO did for the LCA project and why we dont hear its name any more ?
c'mon BRFites this is expected from anyone who has cleared LCA-101.
goes without saying.Karan M wrote:I am assuming I was tacitly banned from replying.
Come onRakesh wrote:Guys, please refer to page 1 of this thread
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