Pulwama Attack

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 14 Feb 2019 22:44

Katare wrote:With full majority right wing govt, Modi as PM and Doval as NSA just before elections. This is the strongest team and best timing India could possibly come up with to give us that first resounding response to pakistaniyat that Rakshaks have craved for decades. If nothing happens, i’ll loose faith...... and in true Orwellian ending, learn to love Rahul baba and Congress.

Thanks for the plug for scamgress. Only another resounding Modi victory will silence your for another few years, just like last time.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 14 Feb 2019 22:45

It should be two pronged hit them hard right away and once the cretins come out of the rat holes they are hiding today hit them again

dinesh_kimar · Post by **dinesh_kimar** » 14 Feb 2019 22:52

^ A msg needs to be sent.......... Something subtle, which can't be pinned to us, but they would know.

Sad and angry....... Phulwama is known target.

mave_tg · Post by **mave_tg** » 14 Feb 2019 23:02

Time to get Masood Azhar...Raise his hq in Bahawalpur to rubble..

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 14 Feb 2019 23:05

Start sinking merchant ships.
Intrude into their air & sea space.
Stop their merchant ships in International waters and search.

Refuse landing to all civilian airliners that have ever touched pak soil & their aircrew same for ships.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 14 Feb 2019 23:06

mave_tg wrote:Time to get Masood Azhar...Raise his hq in Bahawalpur to rubble..

This is a knee jerk reaction he is not worth the ammo it's not Azhar but the khakis better to get some core commanders heads rather than him

prashantsharma · Post by **prashantsharma** » 14 Feb 2019 23:09

High time some truck bombs go off in Muridke, Bahawalpur and Clifton

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 14 Feb 2019 23:15

Even if hit Pakistan with IAF glide bombs rocket artillery missiles. We can always deny. But people will understand.

nam · Post by **nam** » 14 Feb 2019 23:19

Why do we want to deny?

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 14 Feb 2019 23:24

Why subtle? Why deny?

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 14 Feb 2019 23:29

Unfortunately, with the USA getting ready to leave Afghanistan, time has run out. Attacks will only increase from here on out as resources are freed up in Afghanistan.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 14 Feb 2019 23:35

10KT strike at 5000 ft altitude is required on Rawalpindi.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 14 Feb 2019 23:42

CCS will meet tomorrow.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 995389.cms

abhishekm · Post by **abhishekm** » 14 Feb 2019 23:44

There is an appropriate time and place for revenge. It will come and there's no need to get worked up if nothing happens in the next few days. Some sensible steps we can actually take (in addition to military options):

1. Walk the talk on the Indus Water Treaty. Pakjabis are terrified of losing access to the water which nourishes their beloved Punjab.

2. Inform the ICC that India will not play Pakistan at the cricket world cup. India owns cricket. Let's see how the other cricket playing nations react to an Indian boycott of the tournament. Either we play or Pakistan plays.

3. Withdraw MFN status for what it's worth.

4. Replicate the US model of country sanctions. Any MNC doing business in Pakistan will not be allowed access to India, one of the most lucrative markets in the world. Would Suzuki and Unilever really want to have anything to do with Pakistan in such a situation?

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 14 Feb 2019 23:45

Some baki blood will be spilt, and then some more. And even more. I will wait for it.

Katare · Post by **Katare** » 14 Feb 2019 23:49

hanumadu wrote:
Katare wrote:With full majority right wing govt, Modi as PM and Doval as NSA just before elections. This is the strongest team and best timing India could possibly come up with to give us that first resounding response to pakistaniyat that Rakshaks have craved for decades. If nothing happens, i’ll loose faith...... and in true Orwellian ending, learn to love Rahul baba and Congress.
Thanks for the plug for scamgress. Only another resounding Modi victory will silence your for another few years, just like last time.

You didn’t get it or I don’t get what you are saying.

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 14 Feb 2019 23:51

Cancel issuing visas to any TSP citizens. Stop all aman ki tamashaa stuff. No cultural activities or exchanges of any kind with that country. Start throwing our weight (it ain't that small any more) in all International fora to not only punish Pak but also penalize countries & orgs that do business with them.

disha · Post by **disha** » 14 Feb 2019 23:54

Our heart goes out to the sad loss of brave CRPF Jawans in this attack.

Yes the baki backed jehadi suars with support from cashmere baki wannabes scored a big one.

This will continue until the baki state is dis-membered. And a national consensus has to evolve on the goal to dismember the baki state. The means is different. But once everybody is on with the national goal of dismembering the baki state then the ways will come.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 14 Feb 2019 23:56

abhishekm wrote:There is an appropriate time and place for revenge. It will come and there's no need to get worked up if nothing happens in the next few days. Some sensible steps we can actually take (in addition to military options):

1. Walk the talk on the Indus Water Treaty. Pakjabis are terrified of losing access to the water which nourishes their beloved Punjab.

2. Inform the ICC that India will not play Pakistan at the cricket world cup. India owns cricket. Let's see how the other cricket playing nations react to an Indian boycott of the tournament. Either we play or Pakistan plays.

3. Withdraw MFN status for what it's worth.

4. Replicate the US model of country sanctions. Any MNC doing business in Pakistan will not be allowed access to India, one of the most lucrative markets in the world. Would Suzuki and Unilever really want to have anything to do with Pakistan in such a situation?

All very doable and immediately, but let's see if any of it happens. There are many subtle ways of implementing (pt 4). e.g. security tax on MNC's we need in India but who do business in Pak and a ban on those we don't need. Start with Chinese firms. In fact there has to be an additonal import duty on all Chinese imports since China is a sponsor of the JeM. (I wrote an article on Chinese imports in the latest Indian military review).

Katare · Post by **Katare** » 14 Feb 2019 23:57

This is time to act, no ABV type 6 month long deployment. Its been 20 years since Kargil......deploy that cold start now!

It must be clear to Pukes that the killing indians would not go unpunished. No surgical strike in the dark of night.....full blown open air strikes on PoK. I want to count casualties on their sides in 4 digits.

100% sanctions on all Pakistani entities and all links. Complete mining of boarders and active policy of coercion must be announced now. Close the consulate and kick out all the turds off of our soil.

disha · Post by **disha** » 14 Feb 2019 23:57

IndraD wrote:unfortunately Modi's tough image has taken big dent with this attack and he is caught between devil and the deep sea, pakistan is ready for retaliation now and delaying will anger people jeopardising poll prospect

How do you know Bakistanis are ready for retaliation when we do not even know how GOI will retaliate?

And how is Modi's "tough image has taken a big dent" related? If at all, people are hopeful that the GOI will retaliate. And the #mediapimps and the CONgoon pidis are already at it gaslighting the prospect of retaliation.

disha · Post by **disha** » 15 Feb 2019 00:00

Katare wrote:This is time to act, no ABV type 6 month long deployment. Its been 20 years since Kargil......deploy that cold start now!

Understandable.

But how are you or me going to measure the strategic and tactical impact of any "retaliation"? And if we measure it differently are we going to go into rona-dhona mode?

I think instead of retaliation, use this as a consensus to split bakis into smaller bakis warring with each other.

Katare · Post by **Katare** » 15 Feb 2019 00:04

Inshallah!!!

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 15 Feb 2019 00:08

What almost every one is missing is, there was a similar attack in Iran, on an IRG bus yesterday that killed nearly 30 IRGs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/13/worl ... mbing.html

Such coordinated, identical attacks dont just happen. This was cleared at the highest levels by the Pakistani state, confident that the trumpanzee is going to shield them from the wrath of Indians and Iranians to salvage the American surrender in Afghanistan. It looks like the new strategic gambit from Pindi in the post US surrender world.

The US and the Trumpanzee are acting in their interests. We should act in our own.. If we dont dramatically over react, we will be drowning in blood by the same time next year.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 15 Feb 2019 00:13

This was bound to happen. No fence is perfect. No intel. No walls.
I hope Modi, Doval and Armed forces had a counter already planned. Anything less would be illogical.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 15 Feb 2019 00:15

Doing a retaliation when MBS is in Pak would be perfect. Make him cancel his trip and run off. Teach TSP a humiliating lesson that its donor master wont stand by it.

chaitanya · Post by **chaitanya** » 15 Feb 2019 00:18

I hope the counterattack is executed ASAP. I know reacting at 'the time and place of our choosing' is important, but sometimes immediate counterattack is also critical. It shows that we are awake and ready to counter whatever is thrown at us, and will be a strong message to both pak and china that any misadventure on their part will be deadly

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 15 Feb 2019 00:20

It will not be Balochistan
It Iwill not be another pig hunt in POK
Both predictable.and they will be waiting.

Pak demonstrated they can still do....to visitors and friends.

What will definitely be needed though is something to make Chinese fume. Cpec infra is my guess. It sends a strong message that India-pak hyphen is old.

Saudis will run like pigs into their palaces

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 15 Feb 2019 00:22

Karan M wrote:Doing a retaliation when MBS is in Pak would be perfect. Make him cancel his trip and run off. Teach TSP a humiliating lesson that its donor master wont stand by it.

Yes, we need to dramatically over react to make our desires something that not just Pakistan, but also other extra regional players need to take into account when wheeling and dealing in this region.

Right now, the US, Israel and SA/UAE appear to have made their peace with Pakistanis, who will be relied on to run the jihad against Iran. The price will be bribes and also the Pakistanis running Jihad in India. This is not something the US wants, but will acquiesce to, as it has done in the past.

Our desires and peace is not being heard at the table. Time to create some room at this table and upset the whole ****** apple cart.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 15 Feb 2019 00:23

nam wrote:Why do we want to deny?

Play the Paki game where everyone knows it's our attack but don't allow them to play victim.

chaitanya · Post by **chaitanya** » 15 Feb 2019 00:26

^ One way to do this would be a neptune spear type operation designed to kill and extract HVTs all over pakistan like dawood and azhar

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 15 Feb 2019 00:28

What is the counter attack starts with changes on our own side?

Presidential decree to abrogate 370

nam · Post by **nam** » 15 Feb 2019 00:28

Aditya_V wrote:
nam wrote:Why do we want to deny?
Play the Paki game where everyone knows it's our attack but don't allow them to play victim.

Who will believe them even if they play victim? Everyone knows India will retaliate one day. It was a question of when.

Pak can cry wolf.

nam · Post by **nam** » 15 Feb 2019 00:32

Here is my view.

Visible & declared, air strikes on Mudrike and other terror places.
Non-visible, heavy air strikes on PA position in POK.

Announce only the Mudrike strike and tell the world we have hit terror. If Pak retaliates we will act in self defence.

The world(read US) will be under tremendous pressure to prevent escalation and force a cease fire. Till the ceasefire, if Pak attacks, give it back.

This is the short term plan.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 15 Feb 2019 00:33

It’s been 6+ hours since the attack. Why has there not been retaliation yet? The CCS should have had standard procedures in place for just such an event. Where are the mushroom clouds and fast neutrons over TSP? We’re waiting....

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 15 Feb 2019 00:37

sudeepj wrote:What almost every one is missing is, there was a similar attack in Iran, on an IRG bus yesterday that killed nearly 30 IRGs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/13/worl ... mbing.html

Such coordinated, identical attacks dont just happen. This was cleared at the highest levels by the Pakistani state, confident that the trumpanzee is going to shield them from the wrath of Indians and Iranians to salvage the American surrender in Afghanistan. It looks like the new strategic gambit from Pindi in the post US surrender world.

The US and the Trumpanzee are acting in their interests. We should act in our own.. If we dont dramatically over react, we will be drowning in blood by the same time next year.

I actually saw that news in my feed before Pulwama attack. Afgan angle..?

If we are not sending out Jet tonight, it aint happening later.

manoj_niketa · Post by **manoj_niketa** » 15 Feb 2019 00:42

https://twitter.com/ShankhNaad/status/1 ... 8048131072
"Before occupying your place of deployment, please sanitise the area properly as there are inputs of use of IEDs"

Turns out there was prior intel about terror threats in the area.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 15 Feb 2019 00:44

It was a suicide bombing with an explosive laden Scorpio not an IED attack.

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 15 Feb 2019 00:45

JayS wrote:
sudeepj wrote:What almost every one is missing is, there was a similar attack in Iran, on an IRG bus yesterday that killed nearly 30 IRGs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/13/worl ... mbing.html

Such coordinated, identical attacks dont just happen. This was cleared at the highest levels by the Pakistani state, confident that the trumpanzee is going to shield them from the wrath of Indians and Iranians to salvage the American surrender in Afghanistan. It looks like the new strategic gambit from Pindi in the post US surrender world.

The US and the Trumpanzee are acting in their interests. We should act in our own.. If we dont dramatically over react, we will be drowning in blood by the same time next year.
I actually saw that news in my feed before Pulwama attack. Afgan angle..?

If we are not sending out Jet tonight, it aint happening later.

In my mind, the US/UAE/SA/Israel have decided to take on Iran and get out of Afghanistan because Afghanistan is pointless in their minds. Even if they succeed in Afghanistan, what will they get? Its useless as an economic prize, useless as an offensive weapon.. To use it as an offensive weapon needs it to be in a Talibanized state, so where is the win?

Indians dont understand that Israel (and KSA, UAE) see Iran as an existential threat, while its in a defacto alliance with the Sunni powers. In our imagination, Iran is this goody goody power because they have not attacked India. But in reality, its tweedledum and tweedledee.. Hezb and IRG are operating across the entire middle east, where ever there is a shia population.

To the extent that Sunni militias attack the west and Israel, its a price they are willing to pay to keep the IRG & Hezbollah at bay. 20 years of safety after 9/11 has convinced every one that domestic terror spectaculars can be prevented by DHS. And attacks against India are not even a part of the cost benefit analysis that these assholes are doing.

To take on IRG/Hezb/Iran, Pakistan is needed to provide the foot-soldiers for that. Pakistani attacks on India is, for them, a sad side effect. Unless India shows, it can upset the whole bhain chod applecart, we wont be a part of the calculation.

Enough of pin pricks on the LOC. Haramzadon ke munh me hath daal ke antadi bahar nikalo.. warna pulwama to trailer tha.. khoon ki aisi nadi bahegi, sir upar uthana mushkil ho jayega.

nam · Post by **nam** » 15 Feb 2019 01:01

manoj_niketa wrote:https://twitter.com/ShankhNaad/status/1 ... 8048131072
"Before occupying your place of deployment, please sanitise the area properly as there are inputs of use of IEDs"

Twitter experts profusing knowledge, without doing a day's job. If VBIED is easy to detect, you wouldn't have so many of them hitting US forces in Iraq.

It is not an IED, which stays in one place once detected.