Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

kit · Post by **kit** » 28 Feb 2019 19:22

The Americans sold them the AIM 120 for the fight against Taliban

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Feb 2019 19:22

TandavBrahmand wrote:Given that solah was turning its back and Abhi was chasing it, fired A2A's direction would be towards our side.

Yes. Standard Pakistani Mijjile-Mounting Techniique (MMT) is facing towards the rear because that is where their enemies usually are. Indian or American or Iranian. Thx

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 28 Feb 2019 19:24

there r claims and counter claims of wreckage being of F 16 & MiG

https://twitter.com/BhittaniKhannnn/sta ... 4833799169

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1100993020307140608

several IAF veterans are sure of this being F16 wreckage

Also parts of AMRAAM missile found on Indian side
Snehesh Alex Philip https://twitter.com/sneheshphilip/statu ... 2581704704
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Wreckage of AMRAAM missile recovered on the Indian side of the LoC. Clear evidence that F-16 was involved in the air action yesterday. @ThePrintIndia

https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1101036661834686464

asgkhan · Post by **asgkhan** » 28 Feb 2019 19:25

Navy should send some probes in Karachi and Gwadar. They are left out.

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 28 Feb 2019 19:27

UlanBatori wrote:
TandavBrahmand wrote:Given that solah was turning its back and Abhi was chasing it, fired A2A's direction would be towards our side.
Yes. Standard Pakistani Mijjile-Mounting Techniique (MMT) is facing towards the rear because that is where their enemies usually are. Indian or American or Iranian. Thx

Guys standard fighter tactics is other fighters providing top cover. When Nirmaljit Singh Sekhon was engaging strike Sabres, two additional Sabres flying top cover shot him down. In this case, other F-16 providing top cover would have shot the AMRAAM at the MiG-21s, most likely active homing with LOBL at the short ranges.

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 28 Feb 2019 19:27

Austin wrote:PAF targeted military installation but IAF intercept saved the day , PAF bomb fell in Military compound but no damage done.

I think this can be construed as an act of war. Targeting our MIL installations...I hope there is more to come from our forces after we get our WingCo back. But I would respect & accept any decisions taken by GoI on future course. They know the best currently & are aware of the stakes involved.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Feb 2019 19:28

F100-PW-220E https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/jo ... nes-05261/

the 2 seater F16 would be the PGM carrier having the WSO. it dropped bomb and turned back to POK, chased by our Mig21s and fired on since it had dropped weapons.

the 8 single seater F16 flying cover would be flying higher and faster on their side to get better energy for missile launches and one of these may have fired 2 amraams ?

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 28 Feb 2019 19:28

Navy presence at the presser is an interesting development. RAdm Gujral didn't say anything specific, except that the Navy is poised to deal with any threats in all 3 dimensions, and in concert with the Army and the Air Force.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Feb 2019 19:30

kit wrote:The Americans sold them the AIM 120 for the fight against Taliban

muricans must be made to face the consequences like getting the silent treatment on hornet, jsf and the jokey f21. and told why this is so.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 28 Feb 2019 19:31

The person coordinating the presser (MoD?) mentioned showing some evidence later in the presser.

nits · Post by **nits** » 28 Feb 2019 19:31

sorry for the nitpick - but during conference cant they arrange a proper arrangement where all 3 respected officers can sit and answer; calling each one of them one by one for statement and for Q does not look good. They are highly decorated officers and arrangements needs to be of that standard

Sathish_A · Post by **Sathish_A** » 28 Feb 2019 19:31

pralay wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:what belongs to RSAF also belongs to PAF no? what are all those Karachi-Jeddah flights for eh?
+1

Two from LaWhore departing at 16.49 and 16.53 and another one from Isloo departing 16.44, but not squawking the destination. Maybe crown jewels?

For sure ferrying something. Which way? Hope our guys are keeping a tab.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 28 Feb 2019 19:32

Badly organized presser. Why did they not hold it sitting with a mic infront of the Force Reps?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Feb 2019 19:34

as of now paki airspace is still closed. if they open it now, their local flights can operate. international flights already in the air will stick to plan and steer south. tomorrows flights might revert.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 28 Feb 2019 19:34

IAF officially confirms that the parts seen in Pakistan including drop tanks does not belong to the Migs but F-16.

Electronic Signature confirm it was the F-16 ....... Su-30MKI , Upgraded Mirages and Bison was used to oppose PAF strike package

PAF strike package was F-16 , JF-17 and Mirages

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 28 Feb 2019 19:35

http://kaiser-aeronaut.blogspot.com/200 ... kaata.html

Good description of a dogfight as well as how top cover is provided. The Indian Gnats provided very effective top cover. Also, note when one is one the offensive, how ground based radar coverage is often lost over enemy territory while enemy radar coverage is effective over their own territory.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 28 Feb 2019 19:36

lets not quibble about the press conference style - plenty of variable quality seen from americans and nato in the past

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 28 Feb 2019 19:37

Can someone share the gist of the press conference?

nits · Post by **nits** » 28 Feb 2019 19:37

How does our media behaves; so much noise and shouting. Give them chairs to sit and officers a high table and chair

what kind of arrangements are this

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 28 Feb 2019 19:37

Excellent answer by the AVM to the "pakistani gesture to return" Wg Cdr Abhinandan: The IAF is happy that he is being returned, and once he is back will discuss further (this last part I didn't catch fully). Beyond that the AVM implied that whatever the pakis are doing are only per the Geneva conventions.

khan · Post by **khan** » 28 Feb 2019 19:37

pankajs wrote:Badly organized presser. Why did they not hold it sitting with a mic infront of the Force Reps?

horribly organized presser. Why can't they organize a press pool like they do everywhere else. It has turned into stampede.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 28 Feb 2019 19:38

tsarkar wrote:Can someone share the gist of the press conference?

IAF officially confirms Mig-21Bison shot PAF F-16 in Aerial Combat , IAF lost one Mig-21

PAF F-16 loss was a twin seater.

PAF targeted military installation but IAF intercept saved the day , PAF bomb fell in Military compound but no damage done.

AMRAAM parts found east of Rajouri

IAF officially confirms that the parts seen in Pakistan including drop tanks does not belong to the Migs but F-16.

Electronic Signature confirm it was the F-16 ....... Su-30MKI , Upgraded Mirages and Bison was used to oppose PAF strike package

PAF strike package was F-16 , JF-17 and Mirages

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 28 Feb 2019 19:38

arshyam wrote:Excellent answer by the AVM to the "pakistani gesture to return" Wg Cdr Abhinandan: The IAF is happy that he is being returned, and once he is back will discuss further (this last part I didn't catch fully). Beyond that the AVM implied that whatever the pakis are doing are only per the Geneva conventions.

Dreaded the question and loved the answer.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 28 Feb 2019 19:38

As evidence, they are showing pieces of the AIM-120 missile that missed our Bisons.

nits · Post by **nits** » 28 Feb 2019 19:38

Lalmohan wrote:lets not quibble about the press conference style - plenty of variable quality seen from americans and nato in the past

sir it more about giving some due standards to our officers while talking to press; just my 2 cents

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 28 Feb 2019 19:39

Just finished watching press conference.
1. Nothing new which hasn't been discussed already.
2. De escalation is on hold till pilot comes back.
3. 35 border firings in last 2 days. So LOC is still hot.
4. Proof of Balakote strikes effect is with govt. May be released in future.

Shaktimaan · Post by **Shaktimaan** » 28 Feb 2019 19:39

A low impact, noncomittal press briefing overall. Good show. Keep them guessing about our next steps. Airspace still closed, cities blacked out and constantly looking over the border to see if the Indians finally lost their patience.

Let us get our man back tomorrow morning.

At that point, we will be back to where we were the day after our air strikes on the terrorist camps. Then we ask for the terrorist leaders to be handed over to us or go to war.

nam · Post by **nam** » 28 Feb 2019 19:41

If the AMRAAM belongs to Jordan, US needs to explain, how did AMRAAM end up with PAF.

Since US makes lot of noise about who uses it's kit, was the transfer approved by US Congress?

Based on the details it was a 2008 contract. Brand new AMRAAM were transferred through a proxy then. Like Shah of Iran sending American jets to Pak.

Pak must be having more than 500 AMRAAM.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 28 Feb 2019 19:45

nam wrote:If the AMRAAM belongs to Jordan, US needs to explain, how did AMRAAM end up with PAF.

Since US makes lot of noise about who uses it's kit, was the transfer approved by US Congress?

Demarche the US amby.

One thing for sure - the F-16 proposal by LM for the MRCA competition is dead as the dodo. Not even as good as the MiG-21, at least from the aam aadmi PoV, and no govt will proceed with them as a contender.

GopiD · Post by **GopiD** » 28 Feb 2019 19:46

nam wrote:If the AMRAAM belongs to Jordan, US needs to explain, how did AMRAAM end up with PAF.

Since US makes lot of noise about who uses it's kit, was the transfer approved by US Congress?

Based on the details it was a 2008 contract. Brand new AMRAAM were transferred through a proxy then. Like Shah of Iran sending American jets to Pak.

Pak must be having more than 500 AMRAAM.

Did anyone notice who was the intended audience for the AMRAAM part display? It was the Muricans. They were put in a spot & can be questioned on their support to terror from Pak. Also, the Pakis' loose some H&D. One fair two rides, anyone?

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 28 Feb 2019 19:47

^^ True.. which terrorists were the pakis supposed to fight with AIM-120C? The redoubtable talibunny air force? Where is the amriki EUMA and all that shite?

souravB · Post by **souravB** » 28 Feb 2019 19:50

The showing of AMRAAM used by a state in support of terrorist group on television isn't good optic for either Unkil or Jordan. The pressure on TSP will increase to wrap this up asap.

Arun.prabhu · Post by **Arun.prabhu** » 28 Feb 2019 19:50

Our folks did AAR, took stock and held the presser. The way the presses may have been conducted may have been amateurish, but the content was not. Can we stop the complaints and admire the professionalism beyond the scenes and on the battlefield?

nam · Post by **nam** » 28 Feb 2019 19:50

By the way there were 6 types engaged in the air battle: Mig 21, Su30, Mirage 2k against F16,JF17 & Mirage 3.

Given the missed target, I wonder if Mirages drop dumb bombs and F16 double seater dropped LGB.

Also Pak might have been denying about F16 because they did not want to get in trouble with US by using F16. Question will be asked.

Note Pak is telling that the shoot down was done by JF17..

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Feb 2019 19:52

The Civil Aviation Authority said today that Pakistani airspace will open at 6 pm on March 1.

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 28 Feb 2019 19:52

boys...i think the party is over. Nothing happening over my house... its now back to aman ki tamasha. sighhhh... another Prithvi Raj Chauhan episode..when we had the snake under our shoes we let it go...

#WinNotWhine is the hashtag.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 28 Feb 2019 19:53

Pakistan has both F-16BM (Midlife upgraded two seater) and F-16B block 15 aircrafts as well as F-16D block 52 ones. The older B versions are upgraded by turky to Block 30/52 standards. So i am very sure Pakistan has two seater F-16 with GE engines in service too.

(To distinguish between aircraft equipped with these two engines and inlets, from the Block 30 series on, blocks ending in "0" (e.g., Block 30) are powered by GE, and blocks ending in "2" (e.g., Block 32) are fitted with Pratt & Whitney engines.).

Here are sources on net

Billions to Upgrade and Up-arm Pakistan’s F-16s
Jan 17, 2017 00:57 UTC by Defense Industry Daily staff

Pakistan buys 13 more F-16A/B Block 15s from Jordan; AIDEW ECM contracts finally finalized.

Sept 2/14: Delivery. Turkish Aerospace Industries, Inc. delivers the last 4 of 41 modernized Pakistan Air Force F-16s at a ceremony held at TAI’s facilities in Ankara, Turkey. TAI is well known for that kind of work, and the contract for avionics and structural modernization was signed in in 2009. Sources: TAI, “The Last Four TAI-Modernized F-16s Were Delivered To Pakistan Air Force”.

Also here from another source :
Modernization deliveries done
Last year, TAI started negotiating with Pakistan to upgrade 74 Pakistani Air Force F-16 fighters. If finalized, the deal will involve upgrades on a batch of 74 Pakistani Air Force F-16 aircraft, including 14 fighters Pakistan will acquire from Jordan.

The Block 30 program will probably be the last upgrade effort involving F-16s, a Turkish military source said. The F-16s will then gradually be phased out as Turkey expects deliveries under the Joint Strike Fighter Program, while at the same time is trying to build an indigenous fighter jet on its own.

khan · Post by **khan** » 28 Feb 2019 19:53

Optics aside, this presser went well.

The groundwork has been laid to hit back as soon the Wing Commander comes back.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Feb 2019 19:54

putnanja wrote:Out of curiosity, will the wing co be subject to any CoI as he continued to chase the bandits and got shot down in enemy territory?

what kind of stupid question is that? do we know the whole timeline of events and the 3D geometry & speeds of the fight stretched out over miles and the orders being given. no we dont and we never will.

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 28 Feb 2019 19:58

he should be given atleast a MVC... when u r flying at 1000 kmph..adrenaline is high, do u seriously expect ...and he shot a F16 down..dented PAF image...