Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 01 Mar 2019 13:21

A Poem by Wg. Cmdr Abhinandan's sister, Adhiti!

sivab · Post by **sivab** » 01 Mar 2019 13:22

https://twitter.com/desertfox61I/status ... 8835138560

Pre-strike

Post strike

nam · Post by **nam** » 01 Mar 2019 13:23

Since our hero is on his way.

For all the guys questioning the Strike. Let me show some "Spice".

Before

After

The location:

https://zoom.earth/#34.46344,73.318404,19z,sat

Collapsed roof on the big building, burnt area and the second building near the entrance decimated.

This is the seminary, near the crates shown by Pak media.

Jai Hind.

nam · Post by **nam** » 01 Mar 2019 13:24

So the strike were at multiple places.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Mar 2019 13:25

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Widow of Squadron Leader Ajay Ahuja, whose plane was shot down during Kargil war, met the families of IC814 hostages and appealed that they should stand firm against giving in. She was called a 'kalmuhi' and shouted down. Most of the relatives were educated. Media was delighted.Kanchan Gupta added,
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Thank God Wing Commander #AbhinandanVartaman's father and wife are retired Air Force pilots of repute. Had they been some poor illiterate people, TV channels and politicians would have them begging @NarendraModi to save him, as they did at the time of Masood Azhar at Kandahar
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ashishvikas · Post by **ashishvikas** » 01 Mar 2019 13:28

Wanted to understand, if we deploy our SAMs near LOC locations.. as per reports 16 enemy fighters violated our Air Space.
IAF came to rescue but just wanted to understand if why we didn't engaged them with SAMs.

They could have caused bigger damage to PAF fighters.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 01 Mar 2019 13:30

New Video from Shiv
Locating Balakot and it's secret

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Mar 2019 13:31

because civilian flights were in the airspace.
if we fired over the LOC before they intruded that would be war.
if we fired at them behind the LOC, thats were civilian planes were in the air.
same reason BVR aams were not in ROE until airspace closed after the encounter. the mig21 can carry a pair of r77 also but may have been loaded with r73 only keeping the QRT mission with civilian traffic still moving.

habal · Post by **habal** » 01 Mar 2019 13:32

@flightradar a gulfstream GLF4 winging it's way to Lahore from Islamabad.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 01 Mar 2019 13:32

Based on what I have read over the past few days SAMs my not be turned on on regular days because of risk to civilian air traffic.

Radars were on and fighters were on CAP mission as well as on stand by for eventualities. To bring SAMs online would mean shutting down the airspace in the vicinity. Trade off based on the risk perception.

Bakis SAMs are on full alert hence the airspace is virtually empty of civilian air traffic.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 01 Mar 2019 13:38

And a hamza1 over karachi. One of the chini eye in the sky ?

habal · Post by **habal** » 01 Mar 2019 13:40

hamza 1 is some drone flying at 25 knots.

the gulfstream is rapidly reducing altitude and prelaring to descend at lahore. These are our boys in there I think.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 01 Mar 2019 13:45

For those who are having doubts on the accuracy of Balakot strikes, here is the thing. As per reports 12 Mirage 2000s were definitely in the strike package. Now they were all carrying multiple Precision guided weapons including Spice 2000. Is it really possible that all of these munitions missed their mark? Lets wait and when the time comes the evidence will be presented. That includes Battle damage assessment done by possible ground assets.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 01 Mar 2019 13:48

what happened to the heli that went down? there were concerns of stingers etc. is that confirmed as tech fault or?

disha · Post by **disha** » 01 Mar 2019 13:56

Rakesh wrote:

Lal Topi is having a conniption fit over the release of Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman. What a joker. See for a good laugh....

https://twitter.com/IndusEyes/status/11 ... 8403024897 ---> Imran being cursed in Pakistan.

Imdim is heading for a lamp post. His job is still to be done before he is marched to lamp post. Also somebody needs to be groomed to take his place at the chair. It could be Fazal-ur-Rehman (mullah sandwich?) or the molester sheikh rasheed. My personal fav. is lal topi zaheel hamid for Baki PM.

UNSC vote on declaring Hafeez/Masood as global terrorist is crucial. US/UK/France are totally onboard. Russia as well. Only hold out is China and that too on technicality.

Now China needs to decide if it wants to deal with a moth-eaten debt ridden jihadi economy or an economy which is going to be $10T in 10-15 years? Anyway Bakistan is in orbit of Saudi Barbaria and Saudi Barbaria is deferrent to India (see at OIC, Sushma'ji is the honorable guest over protests from Bakistan)

1. Bakistan's was under effective no-fly zone for 3 days. The very fact that India may attack have them scurrying around.

Bakistan's civil aviation authority says the country's air space remains closed for all domestic and international flights because of continuing tensions with neighboring India.

In a statement, the agency said the government decision about the closure of the air space will remain effective until 1 p.m. on Friday, after which authorities will announce whether they are reopening it or keeping the airspace closed.
Islamabad closed its air space on Wednesday

2. UNSC vote on global terrorist list. China cannot afford to remain isolated.

https://www.financialexpress.com/opinio ... r/1501907/

And, if the operation itself was executed so well, the diplomatic offensive prior to the strike, and after it, has been equally impressive. While China, which has traditionally backed Pakistan on JeM chief Masood Azhar, was forced to sign off on a UN Security Council (UNSC) statement condemning the attack, and the US/UK/France have made yet another attempt to get the UNSC to label Azhar a ‘global terrorist’; while China may, once again, scuttle the move, it says a lot that the pressure is being maintained by the global community;

If UNSC votes come, it makes it easier for GOI. If it does not come, it is a little more difficult.

Let's take the positive path, China votes on UN Global Terrorist list with some dilution. Who will enforce the list? India of course!

If the UNSC list does not come through, India will pummel some more terrorist head quarters and keep the pressure on Bakistan. Anyway their economy is going down the drain. It will take only 7-10 more days before it starts to crumble.

3. Balochistan/Sindh. This is on a slow boil. Most likely it will be on a slow boil. There is a reason.

4. Saudi Barbaria is now the owner of Bakistan. It infact declared as much that ME now extends to Bakistan.

MBS is trying to undo the jehad project. Saudi Barbaria under MBS as much realizes that the Jehad project has gone out of its control and it will come back and haunt them. Like Bhasmasura. Further it has to deal with Iran. And it needs allies. Particularly when oil is going to be out of picture some 2-3 decades from now.

It needs to extend its influence into CA and for that it needs to open up Bakistan to access CA and bring energy back and supply it to India. And make money of its investments in supplying gas and investing in growing Indian economy. Unraveling Bakistan slowly is a small price.

And BTW it appears that it got nukes from Bakistan for the investment Saudi Barbaria made.

US does not care about former-UK's great game and Russia project. That is in the past. US cares about its own economy now and realizes that its $7Trillion investment in fighting unnecessary wars (crimea, syria, libya ... ) has actually made it weaker. It has turned inward and trying to rebuild itself.

Russian GDP is $1.5T and is actually less than India's and Indian GDP will be $5T by 2025.

Bakistan is a problem that can be best handled by India and India is hammering home that advantage now.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 01 Mar 2019 13:57

Amber G. wrote:New Video from Shiv
Locating Balakot and it's secret

Shiv was dead on about the location of the pests. He pin pointed the building housing the pigs and guess what, that building is no more.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 01 Mar 2019 13:58

All said and done, use of SPICE (more than one anyway) does not make sense for the Balakot target. So one has to wonder WHY the quick mention of SPICE.

SPICE DOES make sense for every one of the targets within say 30 km of the LOC, hain? Also for targets inside Muzzafarabad etc. if launched by planes inside POK that cannot hang around. In one shot India has declared the capability and the intention to hit wherever and whenever with this devastating standoff weapon at anything in that range. IOW, a No Terrorists' Land declared for 30 km on Pak side of LOC.

Another point: Pulwana attack used 350kg of RDX packed in a truck by terrorists. SPICE uses 1000kg of military high explosive packed by the best pros in the business.

Think about that: 6 used already on various targets (along with Balakote). And the pest-e-sha'eed score is proportionate and more, to that.

Now for Balochistan/Balwaristan/Pakhtoonistan Watch...

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Mar 2019 13:59

speaking of sheeple , none in my office were aware of flightradar24 and the fact that paks are now cowering behind closed airspace for 3 days now and its economic, "losing face" and social impact.
educated a few as to why our boy is being returned - not any respect for geneva convention

.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 01 Mar 2019 14:00

I had't thought of that - flights operating normal in desh? Basically only TSP is no phly jone?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Mar 2019 14:01

imo the jihad factories will grow more SME / agile / distributed now and hug civilian areas close.
so 1000kg weapons dropping in may can really bad collateral damage and slaughter both the innocent and guilty.

I see a need for a chinna-garuthma - 100kg warhead glider with the same 100km range when released from high alt high speed and 50k from lower level. for really point targets use a 25kg warhead - enough to destroy a villa but leave surrounding ones intact....kind of like a Hellfire missile with long wings.

this will be our SDB. the SAAW avionics and architecture can be used as a template with suitable sensor and warheads.

I am sure teams are already on this. we need a domestic + fully comprehensive set of air delivered weapons to use as our lego set from now on.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 01 Mar 2019 14:01

Singha wrote:speaking of sheeple , none in my office were aware of flightradar24 and the fact that paks are now cowering behind closed airspace for 3 days now and its economic, "losing face" and social impact.
educated a few as to why our boy is being returned - not any respect for geneva convention .

its not their fault. most of ELM and assorted ecosystem floods all avenues with that idea

most of them won't even know how to parse the bias and think of the media as just == between cong and bjp with ndtv and republic.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 01 Mar 2019 14:02

I seem surprised that no one had mentioned that Wg. Cdr. Abhinandan is a SDRE!!

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 01 Mar 2019 14:03

This is the SPICEy message:

Speaking at an award ceremony for scientists, he said, "You spend your life in laboratories. You have a tradition of first doing a pilot project. It is later scaled up. So recently a pilot project happened", as the audience burst into applause.
Modi continued, "Now the real one has to be done. Earlier one was a practice.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 01 Mar 2019 14:03

VikramS wrote:I seem surprised that no one had mentioned that Wg. Cdr. Abhinandan is a SDRE!!

UBCN. Always ahead of the curve. OF COURSE we informed the pakis of this salient fact. Even the "interviewee" said on TV: "I am from the South".

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 01 Mar 2019 14:05

ashishvikas wrote:Wanted to understand, if we deploy our SAMs near LOC locations.. as per reports 16 enemy fighters violated our Air Space.
IAF came to rescue but just wanted to understand if why we didn't engaged them with SAMs.

They could have caused bigger damage to PAF fighters.

Apart from what other posters have replied, we have a limited number of advanced SAM batteries. The IAF's Akash batteries do not even cover all IAF bases, so one can't deploy it near the LOC (where it may be within enemy artillery range) in the hope that the enemy might intrude there. With more Akash/ QRSAM and the S-400 the situation will be very different.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 01 Mar 2019 14:07

Singha wrote: for really point targets use a 25kg warhead .. I am sure teams are already on this. we need a domestic + fully comprehensive set of air delivered weapons to use as our lego set from now on.

Bad wish, Singhaji. I am afraid "teams" are already on that. The only relieving aspect is that "glide" requires height and small UAVs cannot (yet) reach great heights. This is a really bad nightmare. But they could use something that has total 100kg equivalent payload and spend 75kg of that on fuel to climb really high. Countering this is a nightmare: how many $100K missiles can you expend on these?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Mar 2019 14:08

comparing khan and cheen avionics & systems still seems like a wide gap seeing pak preference for khan even 3rd hand gear.
i have a new xiaomi smartwatch and a old garmin 220 watch.
the garmin is able to latch to gps signal in 1 second in any conditions
the xiaomi takes minimum 2 mins and then complains that A-gps is expired and asks me to connect via bluetooth to the phone to acquire a-gps.

yeh agar halaat hai, paks cannot rely on chinese PGMs, hence the lust for murican JDMs, paveways and "loaners" from saudi and turkey stocks.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 01 Mar 2019 14:09

Singha wrote:imo the jihad factories will grow more SME / agile / distributed now and hug civilian areas close.
so 1000kg weapons dropping in may can really bad collateral damage and slaughter both the innocent and guilty.

I see a need for a chinna-garuthma - 100kg warhead glider with the same 100km range when released from high alt high speed and 50k from lower level. for really point targets use a 25kg warhead - enough to destroy a villa but leave surrounding ones intact....kind of like a Hellfire missile with long wings.

this will be our SDB. the SAAW avionics and architecture can be used as a template with suitable sensor and warheads.

I am sure teams are already on this. we need a domestic + fully comprehensive set of air delivered weapons to use as our lego set from now on.

Plus I suspect they will now show lot more love to Pakjabi elites both military and civilians alike.

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 01 Mar 2019 14:11

sivab, pls remove those picture. They are from 2012.

Here's a credible source debunking it.
https://twitter.com/rajfortyseven/statu ... 7584250881

Unless you've done the analysis on google earth let's not fall for these things.

disha · Post by **disha** » 01 Mar 2019 14:12

To prove my point about Saudi Barbaria being deferent to India:

https://www.news18.com/news/india/india ... 52087.html

She even quoted the ancient Sanskrit scripture ‘Rig Veda’ to say that pluralism is crucial to India. "Ekam sat vipra bahudha vadhanti", which means “God is One but learned men describe him in many ways", she said.

An Indian Hindu Woman quoting sanskrit and talking about all religions being equal at OIC whose founding member Bakistan has called quits is needs to be seen as sending shiver down all dhotis.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 01 Mar 2019 14:14

Speaking of OIC - where Paki protested and did not go..

Sushma Swarajji is quoting Rig Veda at Islamic Nations’ Conclave to Condemn Terror!

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Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 01 Mar 2019 14:15

Singha wrote:speaking of sheeple , none in my office were aware of flightradar24 and the fact that paks are now cowering behind closed airspace for 3 days now and its economic, "losing face" and social impact.

FlightRadar24 is only known to aviation enthusiasts, and perhaps some Amateur Radio Operators. So many of the average IT-Vity Munna may be clueless on them. For many life starts and ends on JIRA

. FlightRadar24 is also based on "crowd sourcing" model. They are not getting inputs through any official soures.

educated a few as to why our boy is being returned - not any respect for geneva convention

Blame it on our education systems

. When I passed 10th, I knew how Lok Sabha & Rajya Sabha etc. worked. I still did not have any clue on how my local police station worked, and what are the basic legal frame work starting from there.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 01 Mar 2019 14:20

Singha ji, This concept needs to be explored and similar indigenous solutions need to be developed.

Uvision hero strategic systems

Uvision hero operational systems

Uvision hero tactical systems

Increase the size of the warheads in the indigenous solutions as per requirements.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 01 Mar 2019 14:27

Singha wrote:comparing khan and cheen avionics & systems still seems like a wide gap seeing pak preference for khan even 3rd hand gear.
i have a new xiaomi smartwatch and a old garmin 220 watch.
the garmin is able to latch to gps signal in 1 second in any conditions
the xiaomi takes minimum 2 mins and then complains that A-gps is expired and asks me to connect via bluetooth to the phone to acquire a-gps.

yeh agar halaat hai, paks cannot rely on chinese PGMs, hence the lust for murican JDMs, paveways and "loaners" from saudi and turkey stocks.

Difference in quality software skills? maybe

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 01 Mar 2019 14:28

yakherderji
perhaps the use of such pg ammunition was to ensure a hit because you don't get second chances and this is kinda a first time thing? If we're going to repeat this, we most likely would not expend such expensive bombs and switch to cheaper alternatives. jmt.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Mar 2019 14:28

Uvision

^^ sigh. israeli as usual. they are streets ahead of the pack in productizing interesting ideas in security domain.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Mar 2019 14:32

The Islamabad High Court has dismissed a petition to stop the release of IAF Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman. The petition had stated that the IAF pilot had violated the airspace of Pakistan to bomb the country and, therefore, he committed crime against Pakistan and should face trial.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Mar 2019 14:33

that explains why some turd was claiming on twitter he had no aams but tv guided bombs.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 01 Mar 2019 14:34

High level meet on in N.Block between DM NS, NSA chief Doval and FM Jet Li.It could only be release of funds on a most urgent basis to beef up the armed forces esp. urgently reqd. aircraft for the IAF.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 01 Mar 2019 14:35

^^ Hope 36 additional rafales.