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1) Pankajs ...Modi is not insecure..he is looking supremely confident ..like toying with the NaPakis... His pilot project statement is v ominous.. more power to him.. 2) Taliban in afghanistan will be a big secutiry threat to India in coming times ..so all the more need for strong action now 3) Boss Su 30 has its own advantages ... it can loiter long etc.. its been kept as a reserve...real war is still coming if it does. So calm down. if we can handle napakis with Mig 21 ...imagine what more we can do.
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Lol. Read twitter. Pakis are infuriated by Imran’s capitulation on Abhinandan.
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Aditya_V wrote:It will not end now the Pakis dont feel they have been hit hard publicly but privately know the truth and will have to bury thier dead quietly, Ripe for them to try something again.
well the pakis lost half the country in 1971 and 90,000POW but still spun it as a tremendous victory of gritty survival , denied the holocaust with support of west and got right down to the task of building n-weapons, again while USA prevented the arrest of AQ khan.

you really think losing half the PAF to a full on fight will "change them" ?

they need to be given periodic beatings and controlled like a frontier land of savages adjoining the mauryan/vijayanagar empire and fenced off for most part. increasing contest for resources there will take its toll. the rich and middle class are abandoning it for the gulf and anglo countries and poor as illegal migrants wherever they can sneak in. the core west punjab-kashmir will remain a nuclear armed hostile bantustan. the rest will slowly move to their natural orbits of iran, talibunnystan and india. gravity is slow but unstoppable.

today their infant mortality is worse than even Nepal. its the worst in south asia. says something about their governance. see it here.
its more than twice that of india https://www.infoplease.com/world/health ... -countries

so they continue on the path. our relative disparity in economy and power is 10x now, will be 30x in 2030. from ASEAN to the gulf to the coast of africa, nations and leaders are lining up to talk to us, engage with our economy and built mutually beneficial economic and security long term relationships.
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This wiki page is being filled by nonsense. Needs to be edited

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Indi ... n_standoff
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nam wrote:F16 getting hit on it's a**

https://twitter.com/sayareakd/status/11 ... 5015544832
looks like a hard sell.
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M_Joshi wrote:
schinnas wrote: It will also mean death for Rafale scandal nonsense that was peddled by Congress. They will not dare to raise one sound on it again.
You're underestimating the Congress. Ye Rahul Gandhi ki nayi Congress hai, ye chori bhi karegi aur kotwaal ko bhi daantegi.
Familia doesn't love Bharatvarsh, but also from nehru times they're under blackmail by foreign intelligence services, hence now isi will force raul vinci try his level best in sabotaging procuments of offensive platforms/weapons by armed forces.
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Sumeet wrote:Guys please watch it live here:

https://www.republicworld.com/livetv
You should watch it as it happens.
Big relief.
NOW that we have settled THAT, how about getting Kulbhushan Yadav back b4 airspace can be opened - or would Terroristan prefer the sea access to be closed too?
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Let's be sober in analysis.In war expect casualties...of all types of aircraft and eqpt.In the last Lebanon spat the Istaelis lost several Merkava tanks.Where the tanks poor? No.They were not supported by infantry allowing the Hiz to disable them at close quarters with legacy Sov. era ATGMs and tandem- warhead RPGs.

Now our frontline defences- point defence mainly, are tasked for our MIGs in the main as we have a large number of them.Their combat radius is the least of our types and are used as interceptors for point defence.The IAF strength was reportedly less than half than that of the 24+ strong PAF. Seeing the MKIs as part of our counterforce, they turned tail.In the dogfight that ensued , the Bison chasing an F-16, got exposed due to the numerical superiority of the attacking force and was shot down by an AMRAAM, the best AAM in the PAF inventory.That he managed to shoot down an F-16 with an R-73 must be a record of sorts.

One aircraft loss shouldn't rattle our faith in the various types of aircraft we have.If we use a BMos-A fired from an MKI in the next round, it doesn't mean that the other types are no good.Each type has its role to play.however, if it were not obvious before, the urgent need to replace retiring legacy aircraft of the IAF has been made even more acute.Both the IAF and GOI/ MODs over time have been to blame.The IAF for not purposefully embedding themselves into the LCA programme, the ADA for acute delays and HAL for v.slow production.We've beaten that horse dead over the last 20 yrs. of debate.All we can do is pray and hope that the LCA programme will turn the corner.But it will not suffice for our immediate needs.

What the IAF also has been guilty of is wanting the most expensive birds, " no plan B", that annoyed MP, which also delayed matters.Why couldn't the IAF have asked for extra MIG-29s a few years ago , not now?It could've picked up 2 sqds. on the cheap plus second-hand late model M2Ks for upgrading instead of only demanding the Rafale as one AM advocated.

The Bis into Bison,a type already in service and upgraded hugely in capability was to the credit of the past chiefs and top brass of yesteryear who wisely decided to upgrade the 21-Bis which has claimed fame today.
They correctly had reservations abiut timely LCA delivery.
One Q though about upgrades.Why after years of prior approval Jag upgrades have yet to start? At this rate when upgraded at HAL std. time, they'll be quite obsolete when completed a decade from now even if we upgrade them at the rate of 12 per yr.

It is quite obvious therefore that we have to buy extra aircraft from abroad.More of types in service plus a new type.
Acquiring extra aircraft of existing types is the fastest way of replenishment in our tortured acquisition process to meet the current crisis.
The GOI should seize the moment, cut through the MOD red tape with CCS endorsement and immediately acquire extra aircraft in as cost- effective manner .in G-to-G deals
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Thakur_B wrote:
nam wrote:F16 getting hit on it's a**

https://twitter.com/sayareakd/status/11 ... 5015544832
looks like a hard sell.
We need a better quality video. Two guys I just spoke to noted that the red flash could be dismissed as a camera glint issue.
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Republic reports that Pakis wanted to parade the Wg Cdr, during the beating the retreat ceremony.. Probably the Indian side asked them to shove it

Trying to Score brownie points with optics from the paki awam..
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the engagement is reported to have happened at a higher altitude, the aircraft would have been turning and its not obvious that its a two seater
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Has he crossed the line yet?
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chola wrote:Lol. Read twitter. Pakis are infuriated by Imran’s capitulation on Abhinandan.
Do the right thing. And encourage them. :lol:
Seriously, dont those idiots understand that without an open conflict, he had to be returned?
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Philip wrote:Let's be sober in analysis.In war expect casualties...of all types of aircraft and eqpt.In the last Lebanon spat the Istaelis lost several Merkava tanks.Where the tanks poor? No.They were not supported by infantry allowing the Hiz to disable them at close quarters with legacy Sov. era ATGMs and tandem- warhead RPGs.

Now our frontline defences- point defemce are tasked for our MIGs in the main.Their combat radius is the least of our types and are used as interceptors for point defence.The IAF strength was reportedly less than half than that of the 24+ strong PAF. Seeing the MKIs as part of our counterforce, they turned tail.In the dogfight that ensued , the Bison chasing an F-16, got exposed due to the numerical superiority of the attacking force and was shot down by an AMRAAM, the best AAM in the PAF inventory.That he managed to shoot down an F-16 with an R-73 must be a record of sorts.

One aircraft loss shouldn't rattle our faith in the various types of aircraft we have.If we use a BMos-A fired from an MKI in the next round, it doesn't mean that the other types are no good.Each type has its role to play.however, if it were not obvious before, the urgent need to replace retiring legacy aircraft of the IAF has been made even more acute.Both the IAF and GOI/ MODs over time have been to blame.The IAF for not purposefully embedding ghemselves inyo ghe LCA programme, the ADA for acute delays and HAL for v.slow production.We've beaten that horse dead over the ladt 20 yrs. of debate.

What the IAF also has been guilty of is wanting the most expensive birds, " no plan B", that annoyed MP, which also delayed matters.Why couldn't the IAF have asked for extra MIG-29s a few years ago , not now?
A type already in service and upgraded hugely in capability.It is to the credit of the past chiefs and top brass pf yesteryear wjo wisely decided to upgrade the 21-Bis into the Bisons which has claimed fame today.
One Q.Why after years of approval lost Jag upgrades have yet to start? At this rate when upgraded at HAL std. time, they'll be quite obsolete when completed a decade from now even if we upgrade them at the rate of 12 per yr.

It is quite obvious therefore that we have to buy extra aircraft from abroad.
Acquiring extra aircraft of existing types is the fastest way of replenishment in our tortured acquisition process
The GOI should seize the moment, cut through the MOD red tape with CCS endorsement and immediately acquire extra aircraft in as cost- effective manner .in G-to-G deals
Phil thanks for this sober and hard nosed analysis. For many of us who frequented this forum during Kargil, it does have a feeling of deja vu knowing that the prior GOI for a decade deliberately degraded capability through the failures you mentioned
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Philip wrote:Let's be sober in analysis.In war expect casualties...of all types of aircraft and eqpt.In the last Lebanon spat the Istaelis lost several Merkava tanks.Where the tanks poor? No.They were not supported by infantry allowing the Hiz to disable them at close quarters with legacy Sov. era ATGMs and tandem- warhead RPGs.

Now our frontline defences- point defemce are tasked for our MIGs in the main.Their combat radius is the least of our types and are used as interceptors for point defence.The IAF strength was reportedly less than half than that of the 24+ strong PAF. Seeing the MKIs as part of our counterforce, they turned tail.In the dogfight that ensued , the Bison chasing an F-16, got exposed due to the numerical superiority of the attacking force and was shot down by an AMRAAM, the best AAM in the PAF inventory.That he managed to shoot down an F-16 with an R-73 must be a record of sorts.

One aircraft loss shouldn't rattle our faith in the various types of aircraft we have.If we use a BMos-A fired from an MKI in the next round, it doesn't mean that the other types are no good.Each type has its role to play.however, if it were not obvious before, the urgent need to replace retiring legacy aircraft of the IAF has been made even more acute.Both the IAF and GOI/ MODs over time have been to blame.The IAF for not purposefully embedding ghemselves inyo ghe LCA programme, the ADA for acute delays and HAL for v.slow production.We've beaten that horse dead over the ladt 20 yrs. of debate.

What the IAF also has been guilty of is wanting the most expensive birds, " no plan B", that annoyed MP, which also delayed matters.Why couldn't the IAF have asked for extra MIG-29s a few years ago , not now?
A type already in service and upgraded hugely in capability.It is to the credit of the past chiefs and top brass pf yesteryear wjo wisely decided to upgrade the 21-Bis into the Bisons which has claimed fame today.
One Q.Why after years of approval lost Jag upgrades have yet to start? At this rate when upgraded at HAL std. time, they'll be quite obsolete when completed a decade from now even if we upgrade them at the rate of 12 per yr.

It is quite obvious therefore that we have to buy extra aircraft from abroad.
Acquiring extra aircraft of existing types is the fastest way of replenishment in our tortured acquisition process
The GOI should seize the moment, cut through the MOD red tape with CCS endorsement and immediately acquire extra aircraft in as cost- effective manner .in G-to-G deals
You wrote a lovely piece and then let it commit harakiri!!
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Republic's live coverage is insufferable.. they have no new content while we wait for the Wg. Cdr to come out and they are doing their best to give me a migraine..

As they say in Tamizh.. "Aracha mavaiyye araikkadha"

(Dont keep grinding the already ground batter)
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pralay wrote:enemy awacs patroling with transponder on
https://www.flightradar24.com/DG44/1fa8898d
Looks like it might have stopped over in Sargodha before proceeding to Isloo
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rkhanna wrote:
Shaktimaan wrote:
With this video there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that the Paki F-16 was indeed shot down by the IAF.
Looks like lens flare?!
There are two videos from different angles - not a lens flare
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Karan M wrote:
chola wrote:Lol. Read twitter. Pakis are infuriated by Imran’s capitulation on Abhinandan.
Do the right thing. And encourage them. :lol:
Seriously, dont those idiots understand that without an open conflict, he had to be returned?
I have and it was :rotfl:

Those pakiots can see anything beyond the red film over their eyes from all that baying for blood. Cave men. No kidding.
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prasannasimha wrote:
rkhanna wrote:
Looks like lens flare?!
There are two videos from different angles - not a lens flare
What makes you say that?
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Reports of some Amirkhan fighter activities around Bagram. May be they want their pound of flesh for the hit on Helmand? I hope they get in line.
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sudhan wrote:Republic's live coverage is insufferable.. they have no new content while we wait for the Wg. Cdr to come out and they are doing their best to give me a migraine..

As they say in Tamizh.. "Aracha mavaiyye araikkadha"

(Dont keep grinding the already ground batter)
Watch DD instead. Very sensible reporting Live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmRg3Z_92AM
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There is a PIA Boeing 777-340 inbound into Karachi- no call sign, just popped up 5 mins ago on FR24, probably switched on transponder as they prepared for landing.

Edit- callsign PKAPBH
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India TV live reporting that the pakis are delaying on pretext of chai biskoot by rangers :mrgreen:
some ex-BSF guy getting updates from his colleagues on the ground.
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GopiD wrote:
sudhan wrote:Republic's live coverage is insufferable.. they have no new content while we wait for the Wg. Cdr to come out and they are doing their best to give me a migraine..

As they say in Tamizh.. "Aracha mavaiyye araikkadha"

(Dont keep grinding the already ground batter)
Watch DD instead. Very sensible reporting Live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmRg3Z_92AM
Thank you! Republic was pathetic and annoying with their high pitched yelling, most of which was repeating the same inane stuff every 2 mins!
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prasannasimha wrote:
rkhanna wrote:
Looks like lens flare?!
There are two videos from different angles - not a lens flare
Can u provide link for both? I only found 1
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ER550/SEP550- Serene air from Karachi to Peshawar also popped up, just took off from Karachi.
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X Posted from the Terroristan thread. Anyone saw this comming :roll: .

Looking at the headline of “Pakistan to lodge U.N. complaint against India for 'eco-terrorism' forest bombing” I thought Reuters unbeknownst to me had started a spot satirising current events. I was then rather bemused to find out that it was actual news and based on the comment of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Minister of Climate Change one Malik Amin Aslam.

Only bemused rather than surprised, as the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Ministry of Climate Change is rather saazish minded when India is involved. Posters here may recollect the tweet of the Junior Minister of Climate Change {Minister of State}, one Zartaj Gul Wazir, who declared that the Islamic Republic’s winter smog problem was “connected to the unconventional warfare we're embattled in with our eastern neighbour, India”.

1. Pakistan to lodge U.N. complaint against India for 'eco-terrorism' forest bombing :
Climate Change Minister Malik Amin Aslam said Indian jets bombed a “forest reserve” and the government was undertaking an environmental impact assessment, which will be the basis a complaint at the United Nations and other forums.

“What happened over there is environmental terrorism,” Aslam told Reuters, adding that dozens of pine trees had been felled. “There has been serious environmental damage.”
2. Twitter:
In response to @sherryrehman's question in Senate today about smog:

Smog is a major environmental concern in Pakistan. And we have to accept and acknowledge that it's connected to the unconventional warfare we're embattled in with our eastern neighbour, India.
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Klaus wrote:ER550/SEP550- Serene air from Karachi to Peshawar also popped up, just took off from Karachi.
Must be spoofing the transponder data. Guess its a Mil plane on the way to pissawar
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Bart S wrote:
GopiD wrote:
Watch DD instead. Very sensible reporting Live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmRg3Z_92AM
Thank you! Republic was pathetic and annoying with their high pitched yelling, most of which was repeating the same inane stuff every 2 mins!
Welcome :)

Listening to DD reporting, seems like one of us from BRF is reporting. They are making so many points that we have made here.
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About those infuriated Paks, please refer to the Pakistani attempted strike on Udhampur as ghazwa e Hind. Which lasted all of 30 minutes. :mrgreen:
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Looks like the pakistanis are employing delaying tactics as usual and attempt is to wear down the engaging parties. The process of handover has been ongoing since 3pm.

This demand for paperwork from a nation that sends hundreds of its citizens to guantanamo and US types hop in and out of the country with the only paperwork being used being tp.
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must be taking longer to move azhar to the same kidney dialysis facility that OBL was using so they have delayed wagah proceedings!
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ER501/SEP501- Serene Air Isloo to Karachi also just took off, all of these flights running hours behind schedule.
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disposable assets doing the damage again...4 widows, N orphans courtesy our friendly neighbourhood hyena.


SRINGAR: Four security personnel, including an officer, have died during an encounter with terrorists in Jammu and Kashmir's Kupwara district today. Sources say a terrorist, who was presumed dead, emerged from the rubble of a destroyed house and started firing which took the security personnel by surprise.

Officials sources say an Inspector of the Central Reserve Police Force or CRPF, a jawan and two policemen of the J&K Police died after firing resumed during an anti-terrorism operation in Kralgund village of Langate area of the district.

There was a break in firing several times during the day but terrorists would start firing as soon as the security forces advanced towards the house where they were hiding, officials said.

Two terrorists were killed in the encounter, security forces said.
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prasannasimha wrote:
rkhanna wrote:
Looks like lens flare?!
There are two videos from different angles - not a lens flare

So the R73 hit the F16 in a tail chase ? That would make it a very difficult sell considering so many PAF in the air.
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BSF needs to give the pakis a ultimatum. complete the process in 10 mins or take him back and hold the hot potato and we can go back to where we were on wednesday morning. ask the pak ranger to answer to their PM why he returned back with the POW.

there will be consequences. infact its time to close the dukan, so BSF will go home and is no more interested in his return. take him back to lahore and face the consequences when PMO comes to know.
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Thanks, GopiD.. I have finally unclenched..

The anchor has no clue about the military aspects of the engagement that happened on the 27th. She says our Em-Eye-Gee two targetted a F-16 missile.. nevermind, hope she gets better at this..

Elsewhere..

Pakis are at it.. They are dragging the handover..
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Latest tweet from DGISPR:

https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/stat ... 8486158337

COAS had tel comm with Comd USCENTCOM, CDS UK, CDF Australia and Ambs of US, UK & China in Pak. Prevailing stand off between Pakistan & India & its impact on peace & stability in the region & beyond discussed. “Pak shall surely respond to any aggression in self defence”, COAS.

Language seems to indicate that they are expecting some action from our side.
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Is a medical checkup part of formalities ? I believe we should insist for a full medical checkup done jointly for return..
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