Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 01 Mar 2019 22:18

If anyone has read/seen interviews of G Parthasarathy, then Indian Ambassador to Pakistan when F/Lt Nachiketa had to eject due to engine flameout,
he refused to be part of any handover ceremony. He insisted F/Lt. N be handed over to Red Cross as per Geneva Convention (and without any media tamasha since Red Cross doesnt make good media optics) and thereafter to Indian High Commission.

Sadly Indian public and media with their desire for soap opera have made it into a sick tamasha. Ideally media should have been banned from the border.

Very poor perception management, narrative control and PR by Indian MoD & MEA in contrast to DG ISPR whose blatant lies controlled the narrative and managed the perception.

PS - I hope Modi ji in his second innings makes G Parthasarathy the External Affairs Minister. Sad to see such great national talent unused. And motormouth B S Yeduriappa Governor of A&N or Lakshyadweep.

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 01 Mar 2019 22:18

Sudhan and Austin, thank you for the summary yesterday. Much appreciated.

prasannasimha · Post by **prasannasimha** » 01 Mar 2019 22:18

Jai Hind

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 01 Mar 2019 22:18

gentlemen...Z security cover to Air chief and Navy chief from today .... bada danda aane waala hai.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 01 Mar 2019 22:20

ramana wrote:
sampat wrote:
They have done similar things in past. long time ago in my school days, paki was proudly narrating how their brave momin army destroyed their own weapon depot and risked destroying a city to siphon off stinger missile from US.

True Wah Cantonment fire.

I was not aware of this. they never fail to amuse anyone regarding how low they can stoop

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 01 Mar 2019 22:20

Dunno if this was posted.
https://twitter.com/MdShafiKhatana/stat ... 0864004096
There's a video of folks carrying pieces of downed aircraft there.

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 01 Mar 2019 22:21

economic impact...1) price of vege increasing 2) forex reserves to come down due to mobilisation etc 3) exports of meat etc to go down as its usually seny by planes 4) exports to take a hit. 5) prices of pharma to increase 6) aviation sector to go down the tube. 7) fabric industry to get hurt as lot of raw material from india

MeshaVishwas · Post by **MeshaVishwas** » 01 Mar 2019 22:29

tsarkar wrote: Very poor perception management, narrative control and PR by Indian MoD & MEA in contrast to DG ISPR whose blatant lies controlled the narrative and managed the perception.

100% in agreement tsarkar ji.
Need specialists in charge to avoid such a disaster.We have a TV hungry post Kargil public and they would rather take the Enemy's word than to wait for ours.
Edit:And the deep state is somehow aiming for our loud journos?! Never thought the TFTAs would get this bloody insecure!

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 01 Mar 2019 22:30

Singha wrote:I dont know why the wagah circus has been allowed to develop over the years. there is a huge cricket style stadium there!
I know punjabis love festivals and spectacles but cant they get entertained with something else? like netflix

this is like syria and the isis holding a border gate ceremony every evening. panders to the equal-equal they are like us only brigade.

GOI needs to shut down the circus. for good.

The Akalis-BJP government in Punjab when ruling last has created a huge patriotic-religious tourist circuit.
Entering Punjab there is a museum of Banda Bahadur close to Mohali aka Ajitgarh (after elder son of Guru Gobind Singh ji)

Then another 20 miles there is a Virasat-e-Khalsa museum with whole of Sikh history.
Then traveling up towards Ludhiana there is a Bhagat Singh Museum .

There is are various other museums (Harappa sites, temples, etc).
On the road towards Amritsar after Jalandhar a new museum has come up called Jang-e-Azadi memorial recently opened

Then you enter Amritsar and see various memorials Jalianwala Bagh, Golden Temple, Memorial for the victims of 1947 partition, etc. The last culminating point is Wagah Border where every single day there are anywhere between 10000-15000 people gather to see parades among patriotic music every day for free. This is the reason that now more people visit Amritsar than Taj Mahal.

Sanju · Post by **Sanju** » 01 Mar 2019 22:39

The Zee News Anchor said that the Pakis wanted to handover the WingCo between 1730 & 1800 hrs IST, when the Closing the gate ceremony would be on, so as to get maximum eyeballs and TV time.

GOI said yes and promptly cancelled the ceremony.

This got their nadas knotted and by the time they unknotted it, they had managed to delay the return by approximately 4 hours or so.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 01 Mar 2019 22:40

prasannasimha wrote:

Jai Hind

Priceless. Someone should have handed him a pork sandwich as well.

habal · Post by **habal** » 01 Mar 2019 22:41

partha wrote:Pakistani airspace closed for 3 more days. Fresh NOTAM issued.

this post was made @ 3:26

so basically what it means is that the pakistani MEA decided that crises hasn't tided over.

what really happened !
around 5pm TSPA took Abhinandan to batapur barracks from wagah citing that they had some 'pending paperwork' and there they made the propaganda video that featured abhinandan. Their MEA or whoever else may have got wind of this bright idea and decided that airspace was nowhere near safe to be opened.

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 01 Mar 2019 22:42

MeshaVishwas wrote:And the deep state is somehow aiming for our loud journos?! Never thought the TFTAs would get this bloody insecure!

Yes, the Pakistani establishment is actually using our media to divert attention and create mis-perceptions. And sadly our media has no filters, only the rush to publish crap.

Only Mirror Now & Faye D'Souza did the correct thing by deliberately going slow to verify facts and proudly saying so.

williams · Post by **williams** » 01 Mar 2019 22:54

tsarkar wrote:
MeshaVishwas wrote:And the deep state is somehow aiming for our loud journos?! Never thought the TFTAs would get this bloody insecure!
Yes, the Pakistani establishment is actually using our media to divert attention and create mis-perceptions. And sadly our media has no filters, only the rush to publish crap.

Only Mirror Now & Faye D'Souza did the correct thing by deliberately going slow to verify facts and proudly saying so.

Don't worry, one more nonmilitary, peace-loving offensive action will let all those perceptions die in a second. Pakis know that and hence their airspace is still not open

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 01 Mar 2019 22:56

https://thewire.in/security/balakot-air ... ite-images

Any comments and counters to this?

disha · Post by **disha** » 01 Mar 2019 22:56

ks_sachin wrote:Can you prove that?

Prove what? That DFR Lab has an agenda?

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 01 Mar 2019 22:59

Mods, can we have the name of this thread to also include Pulwama attack. It would help future searches.

Vamsi_V · Post by **Vamsi_V** » 01 Mar 2019 23:03

Israel is retiring some f16s, do you think indian engagement has got something to do with it.

MeshaVishwas · Post by **MeshaVishwas** » 01 Mar 2019 23:06

Vamsi31 wrote:Israel is retiring some f16s, do you think indian engagement has got something to do with it.

No

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 01 Mar 2019 23:06

While perceptions do matter and narrative control is essential esp. for public opinion engineering, in the context of India vs TSP what really matters is that planners on both sides now now that TSPs nuclear bluff has been called.

Now on regular such responses can be expected by tsp. The era of restraint is gone. Esp. If modi comes back.

prasannasimha · Post by **prasannasimha** » 01 Mar 2019 23:06

अर्ध-सन्यासी

@bababanaras
Following Following @bababanaras
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Just before 30 minutes, Indian army sent peace messages to Pakistani Army by 8 snakes . 2 places. I just love these snakes.

May be biggest news for tomorrow...

@vipulkapoor1605 @airassault71 @Peacefulrumi @bhootnath

10:51 PM - 1 Mar 2019

Anyone has idea what this is ?

chilarai · Post by **chilarai** » 01 Mar 2019 23:08

Nag ?

Added later : those snakes referred above are Nag ATGMs ?

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 01 Mar 2019 23:08

disha · Post by **disha** » 01 Mar 2019 23:11

tsarkar wrote:Only Mirror Now & Faye D'Souza did the correct thing by deliberately going slow to verify facts and proudly saying so.

OpIndia and Nupur Sharma are doing a great job.

Be careful of Faye D'Souza. She is a anti-Hindu bigot. Her bigotry got called out. And mirror now is circumspect and taking a pro-India track currently. Times group has several media outlets that play to all galleries. Their primary business is to pimp news! More controversial their news are, more eyeballs to their sites and channels and more ad impressions and hence more revenue.

Sridhar K · Post by **Sridhar K** » 01 Mar 2019 23:12

Twitter was abuzz with India using Missiles at LOC. So it may be Nags.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 01 Mar 2019 23:13

MeshaVishwas wrote:
tsarkar wrote: Very poor perception management, narrative control and PR by Indian MoD & MEA in contrast to DG ISPR whose blatant lies controlled the narrative and managed the perception.

100% in agreement tsarkar ji.
Need specialists in charge to avoid such a disaster.We have a TV hungry post Kargil public and they would rather take the Enemy's word than to wait for ours.
Edit:And the deep state is somehow aiming for our loud journos?! Never thought the TFTAs would get this bloody insecure!

True, however

1. The psyops edited video will only impress the bakis and few nominal Indian who will grab at anything that can be used to put GOI/Modi down.
2. The tamasha will not play well with the rest and the world at large.
3. After the next slap all this will vanish.

TSPA think of the world as they thing of their own Media and mango apduls. Distressing but we will get over it.

khan · Post by **khan** » 01 Mar 2019 23:14

prasannasimha wrote:अर्ध-सन्यासी

@bababanaras
Following Following @bababanaras
More
Just before 30 minutes, Indian army sent peace messages to Pakistani Army by 8 snakes . 2 places. I just love these snakes.

May be biggest news for tomorrow...

@vipulkapoor1605 @airassault71 @Peacefulrumi @bhootnath

10:51 PM - 1 Mar 2019

Anyone has idea what this is ?

Does anyone know whom is person is?

Unless someone knows whom this person is, it should be treated as some rando on Twitter with an overactive imagination tweeting out loud wishful thinking.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 01 Mar 2019 23:15

prasannasimha wrote:अर्ध-सन्यासी

@bababanaras
Following Following @bababanaras
More
Just before 30 minutes, Indian army sent peace messages to Pakistani Army by 8 snakes . 2 places. I just love these snakes.

May be biggest news for tomorrow...

@vipulkapoor1605 @airassault71 @Peacefulrumi @bhootnath

10:51 PM - 1 Mar 2019

Anyone has idea what this is ?

Not sure what he meant, but apparently he got good "accuracy" rate.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 01 Mar 2019 23:16

tsarkar wrote:If anyone has read/seen interviews of G Parthasarathy, then Indian Ambassador to Pakistan when F/Lt Nachiketa had to eject due to engine flameout,
he refused to be part of any handover ceremony. He insisted F/Lt. N be handed over to Red Cross as per Geneva Convention (and without any media tamasha since Red Cross doesnt make good media optics) and thereafter to Indian High Commission.

At such delicate times the GOI should at least consult with the past Ambassador especially those who have seen similar situations before. A Clear miss by this GOI.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 01 Mar 2019 23:16

Ganesh_S wrote:Phulwama should have been avenged by attacking the regular pakistani army installations as soon as it occurred.

Unless the pain is not inflicted upon the handlers any preemptive strike is useless. The stand off would have lasted a while but would have resulted in PA realising the cost of retaliation for any misadventures would have to be borne by them. This process would also ensure a gradual depletion of critical war supplies.

Sir! There is a professional way military works.
1. Local human Intelligence to strike where.
2. Electronics intelligence.
3. images, pictures from recce and satellite.
4. find out the targets and make plans (A,B,C).
5. figure out the weapon type based on fortifications.
6. Then at optimum time strike and complete the mission.

Now!! Terrorist training sites will have round the clock surveillance from ground as well as air (not before).
Baki army might even provide them with SAM .

So! Expect next terrorist attack in 1-3 months either from the sleeper cells or from Kashmiri Jihadis just to influence elections. India needs to keep up the diplomatic pressure by getting them the declared a Jihadi nation and on black FAFT list.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 01 Mar 2019 23:18

https://twitter.com/IamUmer1/status/1101524486778748928

The government of Pakistan has now deleted that heavily-edited video of Abhinandan from their official Twitter account. Pakistani TV channels are also not airing it now.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 01 Mar 2019 23:20

manjgu wrote:gentlemen...Z security cover to Air chief and Navy chief from today .... bada danda aane waala hai.

Was watching TV Today and a while back the anchor asked another what next per his GOI sources. The reply was that things where in motion and obviously he couldn't discuss what he had heard on TV.

His tone and his words did suggest to me that GOI is going to carry forward what has started. The action my be now of after a certain interval but it is inevitable.

Seems the wheels are already set in motion.

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 01 Mar 2019 23:22

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 01 Mar 2019 23:22

i hope 500 brahmos are on the way ....

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 01 Mar 2019 23:23

Read some tweets about us using 155mm arty shells along LOC. Seems like Pakis are paying by blood.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 01 Mar 2019 23:23

shravan wrote:https://twitter.com/IamUmer1/status/1101524486778748928
The government of Pakistan has now deleted that heavily-edited video of Abhinandan from their official Twitter account. Pakistani TV channels are also not airing it now.

Earlier I had written on the subject ..

pankajs wrote:True, however

1. The psyops edited video will only impress the bakis and few nominal Indian who will grab at anything that can be used to put GOI/Modi down.
2. The tamasha will not play well with the rest and the world at large.
3. After the next slap all this will vanish.

TSPA think of the world as they thing of their own Media and mango apduls. Distressing but we will get over it.

The realized late but the damaged has been done.

nam · Post by **nam** » 01 Mar 2019 23:24

In all the ho ha one thing we forgot is PAF bombed Brigade,Battalion HQ and Ammo/logistics dump and it has confirmed that the bomb fell inside the compound. Not 120 MM, not 155 MM not mortar, not artillery. An air dropped weapon on a military target.

Luckily no losses

This means it is open season for PA targets. I will be surprised if 155 MM are not already raining on PA targets.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 01 Mar 2019 23:26

maybe the 10km no fly zone around the LOC now needs to be actively implemented?

nam · Post by **nam** » 01 Mar 2019 23:27

The point is we can carry out a full fledged standoff war without crossing the LoC.

IAF can bomb PA frontline positions and fire BVR at PAF jets without crossing the LoC.

There will no Mig21 debris in PoK, nor our pilots..

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 01 Mar 2019 23:27

chilarai wrote:Nag ?

Added later : those snakes referred above are Nag ATGMs ?

Snakes translates to backstabbing Bakis ... I think