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nice video of the koreans testing their PGM incl the AGM142 Popeye and SDB

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nandakumar wrote:
chetak wrote:
this lady owner of moneycontrol is rabidly anti modi on international media and forums.

take her reportage with a bucketful of salt.
Moneycontrol is indirectly owned by RIL.
Word is that Motta bhai is now trying to dislodge NaMo, who isn't dancing to his tunes like previous PMs. His plan A is a non BJP coalition govt that he can buy and his plan B is BJP govt without NaMo at the helm.

All the Rafail stolen defence documents are his handiwork. Two birds in one stone - finish off Anil Ambani and BJP.

All his media investments such as News 18, moneycontrol, etc., are either subtly or virulently anti Modi. He also tried to buy Zee TV but failed. NaMo should watch out. If he acts up too much, nationalize RIL.
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^^ how does Nagpur view this fellow?
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question on precision bomb.

We used Israeli bombs, but don't we have DRDO made precision bomb? or is it still under trials?
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Singha wrote:nice video of the koreans testing their PGM incl the AGM142 Popeye and SDB

OT but which aircraft is it
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OT but relevant...... (begging mods indulgence, the following concerns all Rakshaks, not just mods)....

Why content moderators fall for conspiracy theories

ADDED BY ME: While this article concerns Facebook's 'Content Moderators'; the lessons and observations are applicable to beobles scouring the internet for the latest and greatest "clear eveee-dense" of some BS or another. [Seriously, beebs, I've become accustomed to armchair generals and other pseudo-surrogate wannabe know-alls on the interwebs; but I am not yet used to "armchair weaponeers" and don't think I will ever be. I mean: What does it matter? FAE/WP/DIME/2000-or-250. Seriously, 'What's it to you?']


<snip>
In my interviews with workers at a content moderation site in Phoenix, I heard over and over again how the work environment was full of people who had come to believe the fringe views that they were reviewing. As one of them put it to me, regarding the aftermath of the Parkland shootings:

“People really started to believe these posts they were supposed to be moderating,” she says. “They were saying, ‘Oh gosh, they weren’t really there. Look at this CNN video of David Hogg — he’s too old to be in school.’ People started Googling things instead of doing their jobs and looking into conspiracy theories about them. We were like, ‘Guys, no, this is the crazy stuff we’re supposed to be moderating. What are you doing?’”
<snip> Mike Wood, a psychologist at the University of Winchester who studies the spread of conspiracy theories. Wood says that existing research does not assess the effect of repeated exposure to conspiracy views on people’s beliefs. But research does show that people become more susceptible to fringe views when they are experiencing stress, he says:

Conspiracy theories do associate with stress. Basically, there’s been some research that’s showed that when people undergo a stressful life event — something like death of a family member, divorce, major disruption to their lives — conspiracy theories are more likely in that circumstance. So there is some indication that psychological stress can put people in this place where they’re looking around for new answers or they’re possibly trying to come to grips with the world in a new way.

We’ve got other research showing that when someone doesn’t feel in control of their life or in control of what’s happening to them, conspiracy theories seem more plausible, and that might have been what’s happening with these people. I’m not sure what their subjective psychological experience was at the time, but there is some data that suggests that can happen.

<snip> work as a content moderator is highly stressful. Workers’ time is managed down to the second, Facebook’s instructions about how to moderate individual posts can vary on an hourly basis, and making just a few mistakes can be enough to put a workers’ job at risk. Given that level of duress, it’s fair to wonder whether it couldn’t be a factor in workers’ likelihood to start believing in conspiracy theories.

ADDED CAUTIONARY MESSAGE: Beobles gotta chill more. Be more cold-blooded. More starkly analytical. Probing. Questioning. Then they have to develop the mindset of being more contemplative, taking the time to clearly think things through, and only then offer something spoken. Things written should be undertaken even more carefully. Failure to do so, costs credibility; making fools of those who fail this way.



“The more often you see it, the more familiar something is, and the more familiar something is, the more believable it is,” says Jeff Hancock, communication professor and founding director of the Stanford Social Media Lab.

Conspiracy content is engineered to be persuasive. People accept these theories because they help make sense of a world that feels random; even if they seem far-flung to the rest of us, they can offer some sense of comfort or security. And seeing those theories repeatedly pop up in your Facebook news feed “starts to undermine the sense that they are fringe,” says James Grimmelmann, a professor at Cornell Law School who studies internet law and social networks.


I don't think I need to make a summary comment - I still have some hope left, that wisdom will prevail, eventually, just as Truth Alone Triumphs.
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Singha wrote:^^ how does Nagpur view this fellow?
He has both supporters and skeptics and I am not sure what is the top level view.
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He has NaMo's ear thru multiple channels. Don't go by what's written in MC.
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^ I just wanted to point out, in the MI-17 pic, the metal is bent outwards, as if something from the inside of the chopper came out and not vice-versa.

Maybe we can compare it to damage from known missile hits and see if it is consistent?
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The hole is too neat, something was wrenched out of that structure, not blasted in

The manpad would have headed for the exhaust not the tail...

But lets not discount anything yet
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IMO if a manpad were suspected in that MI-17 downing, word would have leaked out (if for no other reason to warn other IAF pilots & even civilian air traffic) and the dogs would not just be barking - they would be howling.
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RD, Manu Pubby has an article already speculating on this.

There is a Court Of inquiry and lets wait for its results or it feeds the wartime frenzy and casts a doubt our over forces facing enemy.

I would recommend hold off till we get more information from the Air Force.
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Understood, Ramana garu. Not a matter for public speculation right now.

However I would appreciate if this analysis were sent to the right people (they may already have their own perspectives on it, probably better informed than me, but who knows). Can post it in TG DT gufa tonight to forward to appropriate parties. Deleted from here.
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Rudradev wrote:Understood, Ramana garu. Not a matter for public speculation right now.

However I would appreciate if this analysis were sent to the right people (they may already have their own perspectives on it, probably better informed than me, but who knows). Can post it in TG DT gufa tonight to forward to appropriate parties. Deleted from here.
Who else is the appropriate parties other than the COI team comprising IAF officers and perhaps helo experts from HAL's accidents division?

Regards
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ramana wrote:RD, Manu Pubby has an article already speculating on this.

There is a Court Of inquiry and lets wait for its results or it feeds the wartime frenzy and casts a doubt our over forces facing enemy.

I would recommend hold off till we get more information from the Air Force.
Especially as 99.99% on this forum know didly squat about how to analyse a crash let alone one caused by a manpads. With the kind of analysis happening here we should be subcontracted by the NTSB!!
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Why must you respond to posts that have been deleted and prolong discussions that have been proscribed? It had to do with more than "analysing the crash". Leave it at that.
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At great risk let me bravely post what occurred to me while yaks were grazing in the high ridges. Apologies in advance: I have not waded through the preceding 1,73,000 posts on this thread.

SUPPOSE... IF it turns out that the MIL was hit by a BVR Paki AMRAAM launched by The Great Herrow F-16 pilot Hassan Siddiqui, all bets are off, hain? Worse than terrorist attack on convoy. Would account for NaMoji still being very emotional about need for more ScaleUp. PAF/PA may be smart to ground all their helicopters for a couple of months. In fact this may account for much of the AirSpace Closures etc.

Pure speculation onlee. UBCN is **NOT** publishing this CT.
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Varoon Shekhar wrote:https://www.indiatoday.in/programme/to- ... 2019-03-06

Has this been posted here? Official confirmation, if it was needed at all. Good explanation by Shiv Aroor
Sorry, that is not "official", that is some dorks CLAIMING that it is kind-0f LIKE what IAF MIGHT have given the Govt. "Actual images Remain Classified". Yes. They get into words like "Low Resolution", High Resolution, etc etc. and all gibberish.

These are taken from the same source that Karanji posted at BRF about 30 hours ago.
Indian MSM are doing what they do best: Do Pakistan's propaganda for Pakistan.

"Pathetic" would be an accurate word, but "World-Class" is more fashionable: they are on the same level as US/UK Networks reporting on Syrian war. :roll:

IF IAF says they have given their bosses the civilian netas a dossier proving that Masood Mahal is rubble along with 700 cockroaches, that is good enough for me.
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nits wrote:
Singha wrote:nice video of the koreans testing their PGM incl the AGM142 Popeye
OT but which aircraft is it
A SoKo F15
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https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1103392189252460544 ---> A 2000-pound (907 kg) class bomb isn't filled with nearly 2000 pounds of explosive. The explosive content by weight is a fraction of the total weight. For e.g the 907 kg BLU-109/B which can be used as a warhead for the SPICE 2000 guidance kit has 240 kg of tritonal (explosive).

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1103393233013420032 ---> The effects of a 'bunker buster' like the BLU-109 after penetration and detonation obviously depends on the nature and qauntum of the explosive filling.
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The facts about that Balakot that Pakistan does not want you to know
https://myind.net/Home/viewArticle/the- ... ebruary-26
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Khuda Khair Karen... Even I did not think that there are 68 organizations proscribed by the Pak Ministry of Interior!!

Did you know that here were so MANY of them ....Pak is giving it media attention after Balkot ..
(Even though that nothing happened after no IAF raid on Balkot, they did revise the list... latest update March 4!



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Request for help: Can someone (like SSridhar /Shiv /) highlight ISI sponsored ones in the above list.. I need it for a good cause.
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sudhan wrote:
nits wrote: OT but which aircraft is it
A SoKo F15
Also seems to feature the KAI T50 Golden Eagle
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Doing the rounds in whatsapp groups


Who wins? : MiGs vs F 16 by Rakesh Krishnan


Just after 10 am on February 27, 2019, the Pakistan Air Force deployed "a large strike package" of modern F-16 Falcons, Chinese made JF-17s and some vintage Mirage-5 attack jets to avenge India's bombing of terror sanctuaries in Balakot, Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa. The PAF's targets were Indian military installations - primarily the brigade headquarters in Bhimber Gali, Jammu, minutes from the Line of Control.

The Indian Air Force scrambled six MiG-21s from its frontline air base in Srinagar to intercept the Pakistani fighters; Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman's fighter was among these six aircraft. The IAF also despatched Sukhoi-30MKIs, Mirage-2000s and MiG-29s from other airbases to provide combat air patrol for the MiG-21 interceptors.

In the ensuing dogfight, the first between India and Pakistan since the 1971 War, Wing Commander Varthaman in his Soviet-era jet managed to acquire a lock on one of the F-16s, shooting it down with a short-range Vympel R-73 air to air missile. Although he couldn't see the outcome of the short 15-minute high-altitude dogfight, Varthaman radioed to base the words "R-73 selected". Seconds later he was himself shot down.

Being the first recorded F-16 kill in history, you'd think it would send ripples across the world of aviation. But curiously, Western defence experts maintained complete silence as the impact of what Varthaman had accomplished took the wind out of the F-16's fanboys.

Coping well at Cope India

Coincidentally, 15 years ago to the date, the MiG-21 (NATO reporting name: Fishbed) had defeated modern American F-series aircraft in a mock combat exercise, sending shock waves through the American defence establishment. In the space of just 13 days, at the Cope India exercise held at the Gwalior air force range from February 15-27, 2004, Indian pilots notched up an astounding 9:1 kill ratio against the all-powerful US Air Force, dealing a massive blow to the myth of invincibility of American air power. What happened at Gwalior will better explain how a six-decade-old jet that has been consigned to the boneyard by the Russians could defeat a modern F-16.

Held from February 15-27, Cope India 2004 highlighted three major issues:

The innovativeness of Indian fighter pilots.
The impact of Russian jets when flown by a highly trained and motivated crew.
The limitations in USAF pilot training.
While the Pentagon brass tried to knock the IAF's achievement, the USAF gave their Indian counterparts their due. Aviation Week & Space Technology's David A. Fulghum quotes Colonel Mike Snodgrass, commander of the USAF's 3rd Wing based at Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska: "The outcome of the exercise boils down to (the fact that) they ran tactics that were more advanced than we expected...They could come up with a game plan, but if it wasn't working they would call an audible and change (tactics in flight)."

About the different IAF fighters the six F-15Cs from the American pilots encountered, Snodgrass said: "The two most formidable IAF aircraft proved to be the MiG-21 Bison, an upgraded version of the Russian-made baseline MiG-21, and the Su-30MK Flanker, also made in Russia."

About the capabilities of IAF pilots, USAF team leader Colonel Greg Newbech said: "What we've seen in the last two weeks is the IAF can stand toe-to-toe with the best air force in the world. I pity the pilot who has to face the IAF and chances the day to underestimate him; because he won't be going home."

"They made good decisions about when to bring their strikers in. The MiG-21s would be embedded with a (MiG-27) Flogger for integral protection. There was a data link between the Flankers that was used to pass information. They built a very good (radar) picture of what we were doing and were able to make good decisions about when to roll (their aircraft) in and out."

Clearly, it was the IAF's intense training that has given it the edge. A leading Indian newspaper summed up the aerial encounter: "The US Air Force underestimated the Indian Air Force pilots and their numerical skills. They thought these are another set of Iraqi or Iranian pilots."

A different spin in DC

Used to hearing the United States is second only to god, the US leadership nearly burst a collective artery. The USAF detachment had barely packed up its kits at Gwalior when Republican Congressman from California, Duke Cunningham, told a House Appropriations defence subcommittee hearing that USAF F-15Cs had been defeated more than 90 per cent of the time in direct combat exercises against the IAF.

Cunningham's revelation kicked up a huge uproar in Washington. Some Western military observers attempted to debunk the results, claiming the USAF did not bring its true 'go-to-war-gear' to these exercises and that the American pilots fought with several handicaps. What really happened?

Handicapped and totally unprepared

First up, it's true the F-15Cs that participated in Cope India 2004 were not equipped with the latest active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars. But then neither were the Indian jets. Secondly, at India's request the USAF agreed to offer combat at 3-to-1 odds, which meant the six American jets were up against 18 IAF aircraft. And finally, the Americans agreed not to simulate their beyond-visual-range (BVR) missiles. Doesn't look like a fair fight.

But wait, ask yourself, which air force would spend millions of dollars on a fortnight long exercise that ends in a turkey shoot? Not the IAF, which is a highly professional service. Also, why would the USAF bring all that high-octane military gear all that way just to get a drubbing?

The IAF believes its strength is dogfighting, for which it trains hard as Western air forces.. Secondly, the service did not deploy its advanced Su-30 MKI (NATO reporting name: Flanker), only the older Su-30, because the MKI's radar frequencies are classified. There's little advantage in letting your adversary's patron know your combat strategies.

The Indians wanting to even the odds is understandable but the United States accepting these handicaps seems counterintuitive. But in fact the USAF agreed because it was desperate to get a close look at the legendary Flanker.

Why the USAF came up short

The lopsided result can be explained in the difference in combat styles of the two air forces. While the IAF varied aircraft mixes, altitudes and formations, the American pilot seemed stuck in the static Cold War-style of ground-controlled interceptions, which gives little leeway to the individual pilot. Weaknesses in crew performance and limitations in their range of action were evident during the simulated aerial combat.

Also, US fighter pilots train in a closed system where belief in the America military's superiority reigns supreme. The strategy is that overwhelming numbers - recall the 1,000 aircraft raids over defenceless and tiny Iraq - and technological pyrotechnics will allow the US to dominate without sweating it out. With the notable exception of Vietnam, the US has never take on a large or well-trained military - and probably never will - so the strategy has worked for it.

Also, the 1982 wipeout of the Syrian Air Force over the Bekka Valley by the Israeli Air Force in which 82 Syrian MiGs were downed against the loss of perhaps two American-built Israeli jets had reinforced the belief that US jet fighters are invincible. It was Cope India 2004 that showed the quality of the men in uniform matters more than the jets they fly.

Cope India 2005: Repeat performance

Because of the storm kicked up by Cope India 2004 -which threatened the growing Indo-US partnership - the following year the IAF and USAF opted for exercises that had mixed teams of Indian and American pilots on both sides. But observers and participants at the exercise said in a surprising number of encounters - particularly between USAF F-16s and Indian Su-30 MKIs - the Indian pilots came out on top.

Cope India 2005 proved the previous year's IAF performance was no fluke. The late air commodore Jasjit Singh, who was the then director of the new Delhi-based Centre for Air Power Studies, said: "Since the Cold War, there has been the general assumption that India is a third world country with Soviet technology, and wherever Soviet-supported equipment went, it didn't perform well. That myth has been blown away by the results.."

Air power dynamics

For the Americans, Cope India was a wakeup call as it had grossly underestimated an old Cold Warrior. While it expected the Mirage-2000s and Sukhoi to be potent adversaries, the MiG-21 Bison came as a nasty surprise to the USAF. The positive attributes of the MiG-21 such as low radar visibility, instantaneous turn rate and "jackrabbit acceleration" were critical factors that gave it an edge.

Plus, its new of helmet mounted sight and high-off-boresight R-73 air-to-air missiles turned the MiG-21 into a "Great Equaliser" in the WVR (within visual range) combat scenario. (The Vympel's ability to rapidly scan a wider angle of the sky in front of it gave Varthaman a huge advantage against his F-16 rival.)

This has serious implications for modern aircraft armed with powerful long range capabilities and weapons. At some stage these aircraft will have to come within visual range and that's when pocket rockets like the MiG-21 can be deadly. As Benjamin Lambeth of the Rand Corporation so succinctly put its, "In visual combat everybody dies at the same rate."

Fly with caution

Varathaman's heroics should not be a thumbs-up for the IAF to keep flying ancient warhorses. A critical factor in the MiG-21's F-16 kill over Jammu & Kashmir was the combat air patrol provided by the Sukhoi Su-30s, MiG-29s and Mirage-2000s. The extremely long range capabilities of the Su-30s and its legendary super-manoeuvrability give it a huge edge in a dogfight that the much smaller F-16 cannot match. The Sukhoi has a loiter and combat persistence ability that has no Western equivalent.

The knowledge that both these air superiority fighters - plus the powerful Mirage-2000s - could enter the dogfight any time and blow them out of the sky was no doubt weighing on the minds of the PAF pilots.

While appreciating the good word done by the IAF, it is important to keep in mind that the MiG-21 is a 65-year-old design and has an unprecedented crash rate that has taken the lives of at least 177 Indian pilots. And let's not forget that Varthaman's MiG-21 was unable to shake off the powerful AMRAAM air-to-air missile fired at it. The MiG-21 belongs in a boneyard, not in Srinagar where by default it becomes India's frontline aircraft - a role it was given when it first entered the IAF fleet in 1964.

(Rakesh Krishnan is a New Zealand-based defence and foreign affairs analyst)
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To paraphrase from the dramatic story of Ahmed The Astrologer:
68 terror gangs, 68 Spices: And there go the first 6 of them.
Time to close this thread and start a new one titled simply "The Next 62 And Their Sponsors". ALL this attention about 701 cockroaches after ONE application of FLIT. That's less than one year's worth of headless terrorists floated down the Sutlej after trying to cross the Yellow Sea.
{Yawn!} Wake me up when the L-e-T meets up with a dozen salt&pepper shakers. Red chillies anyone?
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amdavadi wrote:He has NaMo's ear thru multiple channels. Don't go by what's written in MC.
He always gets closer to party in power. But truth is he has lesser traction with NaMo's PMO than with previous govts. His is currently manipulating things by pocketing senior level officials and not due to any partiality from PMO.

He is investing heavily into media to increase his leverage and his media is becoming increasingly hard on NaMo. He is a pure agmark businessman who doesn't believe in FoE, Independence of editorial board and all that.

Latest is that Hardik Patel wants to contest from Jamnagar constituency!

He has more moles in Govt than Congress. IB needs to keep a very close watch on how much he is routing funds to various parties.
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And India should put up Sopwith Camels to patrol the LOC. Excellent endurance. Put a BVR missile on each and PAF is kaput. Try out-turning a Camel in an F-16 or a Bandaar, and try matching the 50kmph terrain-hugging capability. They can be based right there at the edge of no-pakis-land.
Anyway as is well-demonstrated, one Missile WArning and the Pakis turn tail and flee on max A/B, conveniently illuminating the target for the Mach 4 IR AAMs. And they bail out anyway long b4 the missile hits.
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New Delhi: Slamming the opposition parties for questioning Balakot air strikes Union Minister VK Singh sparked row saying that “next time India conducts such operations; the opposition leaders who question them should be tied to the plane and taken to the attack site.” The former COAS of the Indian Army further said that it will be easier for leaders to see the target when the bomb is fired and added that they can be left there so as to count the bodies and come back. :rotfl:
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See Al Jazeera image claiming bldgs still standing. Look closely at how very white that roof is - plus it is no longer a flat terrace but sloped (like tent structures usually are).
a) Why did it take satellites 6 days after the attack to see?
b) What stopped Al Jazeera / Reuters from flying a drone over the area the next morning itself? (Answer: PA security, because of the pest-e-sha'eed at the hilltop). A simple drone flight witnessed by foreign reporters, with images downloaded right away, would have been clinching proof. Their lack is also clinching proof - that the IAF is absolutely right.

This is why I say that jingos should not waste time looking for holes in concrete and imagining the mayhem underneath. The whole building is gone and has a brand-new tent / aluminum sheet cover over the rubble. They may PAINT holes there to shift their narrative, because they need to account for 4 bombs heard /felt by villagers. The "trees downed" craters are not cutting it - maybe villagers know that those came from IED testing the previous day, etc.
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https://www.republicworld.com/the-debate

Is this one better? It goes into more detail
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Back to regular programming for Bakis and their martial army

https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/ ... 3992485888

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Ghafoor: World should assist Pakistan to fight such organisations.
Abhinandan: Hold my chai!
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anishns wrote:Back to regular programming for Bakis and their martial army

https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/ ... 3992485888

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Ghafoor: World should assist Pakistan to fight such organisations.
Abhinandan: Hold my chai!
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begging bowl v2.0
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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

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anishns wrote:Back to regular programming for Bakis and their martial army

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Naila Inayat नायला इनायत
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7h7 hours ago

Ghafoor: World should assist Pakistan to fight such organisations.
Abhinandan: Hold my chai!
38 replies 156 retweets 671 likes
I am sure PM Modi will be more than happy to “help” them, might not be the “help” they want :mrgreen:
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chetak wrote: begging bowl v2.0
search google for Bhikari ("beggar") and guess who shows up! :rotfl:

https://www.google.com/search?q=bhikari
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Firstpost has released an audio clip, purportedly of Azhar Mahmood claiming that he is alive and Mehfooz!

Hmm! now since all these goat shaggers carry video camera's around to film beheadings and what not!
Why not put up a video as proof of life....me thinks this is fake!

Maybe UBCN can comment!
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I was just thinking, even if this incident is over, Baki’s will still have to keep their airspace closed & their jets patrolling their cities 24 x 7 x 365.

This is because they are what I would call a “target rich environment” - lots of terrorists running around. Any Prime Minister of India having a bad day, can order an air strike and get some instant gratification.
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esommuk wrote:
Singha wrote:villagers are all clear on one thing, they heard explosions.
so unless the ones that fell outside exploded and ones that holed the roof all did not explode....
Sir that could be even sonic boom. If I remember clearly from the circulating clips the villagers reported loud explosive noise not flashes of light or burning smell or fire. If the bombing was really sub-optimal and contained to a few square feet of space inside a room then it really brings back the question how do we quantify (and justify) losses in economic terms for the enemy after spending so much on delivering a small non-military payload. Is there any fiscal prudence in it.
who told you it was to cause economic loss?

the real economic loss came in the week later :mrgreen:

if you dont want to spend on periodic slaps and corralling of TSP hyena, be prepared to spend more on the funerals of mass attacks in india. it could be you, me, anyone.
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Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

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New Delhi: Maulana Fazlur Rehman Khalil, a US-designated terrorist and founder of the terrorist organisation Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (HuM), joined Imran Khan’s Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) on Thursday.

The announcement was made by a senior PTI leader Asad Umar on Facebook, who said that Khalil, along with several of his supporters have pledged their support to the Pakistan PM.

Khalil’s entry into the party comes at a time when Pakistan has called for a shut-down of offices and institutions run by the terror outfit Jamaat-ud-Dawa. He has been a strong supporter of Imran Khan and advocated for his candidature as the Prime Minister of the country last year.

Pakistan government’s welcome to Khalil, an internationally recognized terrorist to the party, has raised questions over Imran Khan’s claims that his government has launched a crackdown on terror outfits and leaders thriving on Pakistani soil
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