Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Shameek · Post by **Shameek** » 14 Mar 2019 02:52

Please continue spreading the message on any forum you are on:

- Pakistan breeds and trains terrorists.
- China sponsors terrorism.

kit · Post by **kit** » 14 Mar 2019 04:42

dnivas wrote:China blocks Indian bid again
Masood Azhar as global terrorist: China blocks bid at U.N., yet again

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... epage=true

In yet another setback to India’s bid to designate Pakistan-based terror group Jaish-e-Mohammed’s chief Masood Azhar as a global terrorist, China on March 13 put a technical hold on a proposal in the U.N. Security Council to ban him following the Pulwama terror attack.
How can India sink a dagger into China's back and at the same time use sweet hyperbole.
Tibet/ taiwan / Import Taxes.. what levers can we effectively use?

India needs to put restrictions on the free flow of Chinese goods for starters.

syam · Post by **syam** » 14 Mar 2019 09:08

I used to be pro-chini. Now looks like all is wasted. What a despicable nation it is. I guess the current china is far from the historical china. it's such a Nehru moment for me.

mappunni · Post by **mappunni** » 14 Mar 2019 09:09

How about imposing non-tariff barriers on Chinese goods? Hint China blocked sale of Tesla Model 3 stating the stickers in Chinese were not right

How about imposing things like font size of the boxes not big enough for the perishables imported from China and let it rot in Indian ports. How about mandatory ISI certification and testing of all goods and sit on or delay Chinese products.

Force printing of Manuals in all national languages of India and then reject it for font size, or conjure up a reason and ask them to go back to drawing boards.

Any babus or Mr.Suresh Prabu is hopefully reading BR.

dnivas · Post by **dnivas** » 14 Mar 2019 09:53

India should send VK singh to Taiwan for some tea coffee and let CHina rage for a couple of months

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 14 Mar 2019 11:39

Shared some thoughts on India and China.
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I’ll set the tone by paraphrasing a Hindi saying. ‘There can NEVER be two swords in a single scabbard’.
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The one thing about the Cold War was that the two major powers were separated by an ocean or two, and a number of buffer states in Europe. However, another ‘not so major’ power, China shared a land border with the USSR and another ‘not so major power’, India. And guess what happened across those borders in 1962, 1967 and 1969!
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Flash back to 1962 and 1967. What happened on the battlefields is mentioned here in THISBlog Post from some days ago. The one thing that the PLA (hopefully) learnt that the Indian soldier was no pushover. A fact that was only reinforced in 1987 at Sumdorong Chu when they were stared down, just as it happened 3 decades later at Doklam. The PLA knew that a shooting match with the IA will be VERY costly.

However, something happened in 1963 that gave the Chinese, an army for hire .. a fanatic army at that, with one single ambition – to show ‘Hindu’ India its place. And it came at not much cost. Heck, they even kowtowed, offering a strategic piece of land too, the Shaksgam Valley!

The Pakis had found their ‘Higher than Himalaya’, ‘Deeper than Deepest Ocean’, ‘Sweeter Than Honey’ (the list of a$$ licking platitudes continues to grow still) benefactor. A benefactor that knew no scruples. All it needed was a (pin)prick that could keep a potential rival – India – engaged away from the LAC.
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In 1971, Tikka Khan’s rapist army in East Pakistan was fed on false hope till the very end that the Chinese are coming! None came, though. Their job was done – Indian Army was fighting AWAY from the LAC! But things somewhat changed thereafter. With Bhutto promising a 1000yr war with India & pledging to even eat grass in his quest for nukes, the Han overlords were only too happy to oblige!

Such was the benevolence that they even invited the then Paki Foreign Minister to ‘witness’ a nuclear test at Lop Nor in May 1983. Mind you, this was NOT a case of nuke proliferation. Or was it? Will talk about it at a later day.

But SURPRISE .. the Pakis soon ‘hinted’ about the ‘nuclear option’ during Brasstacks just a few years later!!

Mere coincidence? Your call!
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Suddenly, out of the blue, the Pakis ‘magically’ came up with a missile pgme of their own! The Hatf 1 magically appeared in 1989, tested and inducted! Soon followed by Shaheen, Ghauri, Babar series of missiles!

This from a country that STILL does not manufacture even a decent car of its own. But it’s military hardware production is supposedly all indigenous! Magic, no? Yup. Magic indeed, If u discount the fact that Chinese entities were in fact, under sanctions at about the same time for exporting M-9 & M-11 missiles to Pakistan. The reports available online are very candid with details.
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Bottomline: China has played a smart game by outsourcing the fight against its principle regional adversary to an all to willing proxy, something that we either cannot, or refuse to see.
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So yes, coming back to where it all started from - Chindia ain’t gonna happen!

Not till they keep arming proxies.

Not till they continue to be on our borders by occupying Tibet.

India and China is a civilizational conflict.

Period.

It stayed dormant till the Hans came calling in Lhasa in 1950. It will continue to be active till such time they continue to be in occupation of Tibet. Like I said in the beginning – ‘Ek Myaan Mein Do Talwar’

pratik · Post by **pratik** » 14 Mar 2019 12:15

India's options
- Become part of Quad grouping. Bigger Malabar exercises
- Brahmos gift to Taiwan, Bhutan & Japan
- No Huawei contract
- Attack PoK & Cpec infrastructure

What else...

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 14 Mar 2019 20:13

dnivas wrote:India should send VK singh to Taiwan for some tea coffee and let CHina rage for a couple of months

++, and invite taiwan for an investment in Sikkim. Let them apply hadensa..

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 14 Mar 2019 20:33

One needs to ask WHY... cheen is doing this. Have they now painted themselves into an H&D corner like in Doklam? Even well-known Sinophiles such as moi (and syam above, but fortunately not the CHINDU) are beginning to question our loyalty to the Moral Authority of Beijing.
Give credit to the Eye Eff Ess Baboon/ Baboonis. Very carefully calibrated Terminological Exactitude and persistence. They are not asking for TSP to be declared a terrorist state. They are not even admitting that J-e-M is now mostly Jaish-e-Fertilizer.

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 14 Mar 2019 20:37

pratik wrote:India's options
- Become part of Quad grouping. Bigger Malabar exercises

That might be a bit difficult considering oz has leased darwin port to a chinese company which incidentally also has interest in obor. The oz government like the canuck government, the literal sheriffs of uk/us combine are infested with overt and covert chinese presence.
Japan is going through its civilizational stagnation and of the four sino contenders today, might be the most enervated; though it has nothing to do with their industrial set-up ,the fatigue would be and is setting on the masses.
The present course of goi seems optimal, improved relations at all spheres without any binding legalese. It might be a chai-biskutty move but considering that oz has a tendency to flip and flop at all times, not to mention that the 2020 potus may not align with the current disposition depending on the nature of money and stupidity being pumped in xis/xer veins.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 14 Mar 2019 23:57

From the stables of Hu Xijin, hu can put any of the nabaki media fellows to shame, and of the i will huff and i will puff during doklam fame -

@globaltimesnews
China putting a hold on the UN proposal of listing #MasoodAzhar will definitely lead to China-bashing in Indian media. New Delhi always links a small issue to the larger canvas of China-India bilateral ties, and asks for favors without paying back. http://bit.ly/2W5nWDL

syam · Post by **syam** » 15 Mar 2019 10:27

UB saar, I am trying to understand what drives Chinese foreign policy. Let's think from emperor xi's pov.

We have Bay of Bengal/Indian Ocean. We have North-East. Also we have unstable dynamics going on b/w different communities in India. Just one small fire, it has potential to consume whole broken sub-continent. MasudAz and likes are chinese long term investment to create such situation in India. Let's be honest, saar. We love our country. But is it really a country? From outsider pov, it is totally up for grabs. We have 30% of population which has some serious separatist agenda. All these things look pretty yummy for any guy who wants piece of the land. China and Pakistan already tasted sample by occupying PoK and Gilgit.

Nation-state is western construct which was imposed on the world by the west. I don't think other parties respect that sentiment. I am afraid we are back to pre-world war1 days.

p.s. - I am not keen to join any pro-anglo camp. Sab chor hai.

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 15 Mar 2019 19:44

NYT article on Chinese Slowdown: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/14/busi ... rkers.html; take it for what it is worth since NYT is neither unbiased nor correct in all its predictions.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 15 Mar 2019 20:10

pratik wrote:India's options
- Become part of Quad grouping. Bigger Malabar exercises
- Brahmos gift to Taiwan, Bhutan & Japan
- No Huawei contract
- Attack PoK & Cpec infrastructure

What else...

why are we so insistent on gifting our potent weapons to some dopy country??

the missile will be in cheeni hands within a week of delivery for strip and study, its secrets exposed and appropriate counters designed and deployed.

wouldn't the russkies have blocked off such foolish exports without their direct say so??

we have delusions of grandeur of being players on some global stage. Let us first consolidate, strengthen and fortify ourselves both economically and militarily before we needlessly go poking any bears.

Yes, by all means, break some legs and teeth if someone misbehaves or ill treats you but until that day, speak softly and always carry a big stick.

and for now, let others fend for themselves, because you cannot, as yet, fend for yourself.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 16 Mar 2019 00:13

argentina and djibouti join the ranks of OBOR victims

https://www.news18.com/news/world/pakis ... _top_pos_9

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 16 Mar 2019 03:57

The big flip – China may soon run its first annual current-account deficit in decades

The implications will be profound

That china sells more to the world than it buys from it can seem like an immutable feature of the economic landscape. Every year for a quarter of a century China has run a current-account surplus (roughly speaking, the sum of its trade balance and net income from foreign investments). This surplus has been blamed for various evils including the decline of Western manufacturing and the flooding of America’s bond market with the excess savings that fuelled the sub-prime housing bubble.

Yet the surplus may soon disappear. In 2019 China could well run its first annual current-account deficit since 1993. The shift from lender to borrower will create a knock-on effect, gradually forcing it to attract more foreign capital and liberalise its financial system. China’s government is only slowly waking up to this fact. America’s trade negotiators, meanwhile, seem not to have noticed it at all. Instead of focusing on urging China to free its financial system, they are more concerned that China keep the yuan from falling. The result of this myopia is a missed opportunity for both sides.

China’s decades of surpluses reflected the fact that for years it saved more than it invested. Thrifty households hoarded cash. The rise of great coastal manufacturing clusters meant exporters earned more revenues than even China could reinvest. But now that has begun to change. Consumers are splashing out on cars, smartphones and designer clothes. Chinese tourists are spending immense sums overseas (see article). As the population grows older the national savings rate will fall further, because more people in retirement will draw down their savings.

Whether or not China actually slips into deficit this year will be determined mostly by commodities prices. But the trend in saving and investment is clear: the country will soon need to adjust to a new reality in which deficits are the norm. That in turn means that China will need to attract net capital inflows—the mirror image of a current-account deficit. To some extent this is happening. China has eased quotas for foreigners buying bonds and shares directly, and made it simpler for them to invest in mainland securities via schemes run by the Hong Kong Stock Exchange. Pension funds and mutual funds all over the world are considering increasing their exposure to China.

But the reforms remain limited. Ordinary Chinese citizens face restrictions on how much money they can take out. If many foreign investors tried to pull their money out of China at once it is not clear that they would be able to do so, an uncertainty that in turn may make them nervous about putting large sums in. China is terrified of financial instability. A botched currency reform in 2015 caused widespread volatility. But the system the country is moving to, which treats locals and foreigners differently, promises to be leaky, corrupt and unstable.

Eventually, then, capital will need to flow freely in both directions across China’s borders. That is to be welcomed. People outside and inside China will benefit from being able to invest in more places. The need for freer capital flows will have the welcome side-effect of forcing China to reform its state-dominated financial system, not least so that it commands confidence among international investors. This in turn will mean that market forces play a bigger role in allocating capital in China.

You might expect America’s trade negotiators to welcome all of this, and urge China to free its financial system. Unfortunately they seem stuck in the past. Obsessed with the idea that China might depress its currency to boost exports, they are reportedly insisting it commit itself to a stable yuan. That is wrong-headed and self-defeating. Rather than fighting yesterday’s currency wars, America should urge China to prepare for the future.

Cheers

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Mar 2019 14:39

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ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 19 Mar 2019 18:20

Like it or not, you can't avoid our products: Chinese media to India

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 476969.cms

"Some Indian analysts have been appealing for a boycott of Made-in-China products. Especially after India's latest bid to list Masood Azhar as a global terrorist in the UN was suspended by China, the hashtag "#BoycottChineseProducts" has become popular on Twitter. But why has the boycott attempt failed for so many years? This is because India cannot produce the products by itself," said a blog published yesterday.

In their arrogance, they are no realizing that India tightens the grip very slowly, like a python. They may mock MII, but Make will become Made in a sustained manner in the coming decade. Their export based economy will run into themselves when they pose challenges to the western order. India will do to them what it did to Pakistan. Bide our time time, catch up and slowly tighten the grip/screws.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 20 Mar 2019 16:08

X Posted on Analyzing CPEC & Terroristan Threads

India signals to boycott China's Belt and Road Forum for 2nd time – PTI

BEIJING: India on Wednesday signalled that it will boycott China's second Belt and Road Forum for a second time, saying no country can participate in an initiative that ignores its core concerns on sovereignty and territorial integrity.

India boycotted the first Belt and Road Forum (BRF) in 2017 after protesting to Beijing over the controversial China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) which is being laid through the Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) overriding New Delhi's sovereignty concerns.

Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi recently said that next month China plans to hold a much bigger, second BRF which will also be attended by Pakistan Prime Minster Imran Khan.

Speculation is rife whether India would attend the second BRF as China has deepened its commitment to expand the $60 billion CPEC, which aims to connect China's Xinjiang province with Pakistan's Gwadar port with a host of road, rail, gas and oil pipelines.

China has also undertaken a host of energy projects under the aegis of the CPEC.

India's ambassador to China Vikram Misri told the state-run Global Times that "above all, connectivity initiatives must be pursued in a manner that respects sovereignty, equality and territorial integrity of nations".

"No country can participate in an initiative that ignores its core concerns on sovereignty and territorial integrity," he replied to a question about India's concerns over the BRI and whether India would take part in the second BRF meet.

The Indian envoy's interview was carried by the daily on Wednesday.

"To be honest, we have made no secret of our views and our position on the BRI is clear and consistent and one that we have conveyed to the authorities concerned.

"India shares the global aspiration to strengthen connectivity and it is an integral part of our economic and diplomatic initiatives. We ourselves are working with many countries and international institutions in our region and beyond on a range of connectivity initiatives," Misri said.

"However, it is also our belief that connectivity initiatives must be based on universally recognised international norms, good governance and rule of law. They must emphasise social stability and environmental protection and preservation, promote skill and technology transfers and follow principles of openness, transparency and financial sustainability," the Indian envoy said.

India along with the US and several other countries have been highlighting the concerns over the BRI projects, leaving a number of smaller countries in debt traps.

The concerns grew louder after China took over Sri Lanka's Hambantota port on a 99-year lease as debt swap. Several countries including Malaysia and even Pakistan have wished to reduce the Chinese projects over debt concerns.

Asked whether India-China ties are back on track, Misri said: "the bilateral relationship between India and China is of great significance not just to the two countries, but also to the larger region and the international community".

He said that the Wuhan summit between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and President Xi Jinping in April, 2018 was a "milestone in bilateral relations during which the two leaders exchanged views on overarching issues of bilateral and global importance, and elaborated their respective visions and priorities for national development in context of the current international situation".

Last year, the two leaders also met on the sidelines of multilateral summits.

"These meetings have reinforced strategic communication between the two countries at the highest levels and helped in elaborating a road map for continuing contacts. China is India's biggest neighbour and we assign a very high priority to this relationship," the Indian envoy said.

"Unlike some 50 years ago, when our relationship had a much narrower basis and there was not much communication, today we have what one would call a full spectrum relationship.

"This has been possible because our respective leaders have realised that mutually-beneficial cooperation responds to the most urgent developmental needs of our people and these needs to be prioritised over other issues," Misri said.

Asked about the impact of India's elections on India-China ties, Misri said: "my own feeling is that on foreign policy issues there is a broad political consensus in India on where our national interests lie. I do not think therefore that the outcome of the elections will impact the broad contours of India's foreign policy in general or the very important relationship with China in particular".

Cheers

chola · Post by **chola** » 20 Mar 2019 16:16

Chinis are not letting a little thing like re-incarnation get in the way of commie laws!

We best be ready to get into a supernatural fight with the PRC over the re-incarnated Dalai Lama.

https://thediplomat.com/2019/03/beijing ... nese-laws/

Beijing: Dalai Lama’s Reincarnation Must Comply With Chinese Laws

Dalai Lama says it is possible that his successor might be found in India.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Mar 2019 16:26

chola wrote:Chinis are not letting a little thing like re-incarnation get in the way of commie laws!

We best be ready to get into a supernatural fight with the PRC over the re-incarnated Dalai Lama.

https://thediplomat.com/2019/03/beijing ... nese-laws/

Beijing: Dalai Lama’s Reincarnation Must Comply With Chinese Laws

Dalai Lama says it is possible that his successor might be found in India.

chinese laws?? for reincarnation?? WOW.

What a uniquely advanced society.

what about the second coming?? Is he also going to be a slant eyed chinaman, duly approved by the Politburo Standing Committee, carrying a regulation made in china cross?? with a sanitized printed in china book??

and xi peng to be recast as Yah weh??

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 20 Mar 2019 17:11

Former Chinese Naval Officer Recounts How He Procured Aircraft Technology for Regime

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 20 Mar 2019 17:37

These stories also show that reverse engineering is a myth just kept for Chinese H&D, there might some local Chinese TOT production. China is probably worlds largest miltary importer but keeps a lid on it.

chola · Post by **chola** » 21 Mar 2019 10:24

chetak wrote:
chola wrote:Chinis are not letting a little thing like re-incarnation get in the way of commie laws!

We best be ready to get into a supernatural fight with the PRC over the re-incarnated Dalai Lama.

https://thediplomat.com/2019/03/beijing ... nese-laws/

chinese laws?? for reincarnation?? WOW.

What a uniquely advanced society.

what about the second coming?? Is he also going to be a slant eyed chinaman, duly approved by the Politburo Standing Committee, carrying a regulation made in china cross?? with a sanitized printed in china book??

and xi peng to be recast as Yah weh??

Chetakji, you might know that even the Catholic Church in Cheen has an official head who can ordain bishops and exorcists and saints and what not. And it is not the white guy in Italy.

So if Archangel Gabriel or another of the Heavenly Host came heralding His Second Coming, he would be stopped at the chini border by Chinese laws. And several hundred million chinimen believing Jesus to be a mongoloid.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Mar 2019 11:05

chola wrote:
chetak wrote:
chinese laws?? for reincarnation?? WOW.

What a uniquely advanced society.

what about the second coming?? Is he also going to be a slant eyed chinaman, duly approved by the Politburo Standing Committee, carrying a regulation made in china cross?? with a sanitized printed in china book??

and xi peng to be recast as Yah weh??
Chetakji, you might know that even the Catholic Church in Cheen has an official head who can ordain bishops and exorcists and saints and what not. And it is not the white guy in Italy.

So if Archangel Gabriel or another of the Heavenly Host came heralding His Second Coming, he would be stopped at the chini border by Chinese laws. And several hundred million chinimen believing Jesus to be a mongoloid.

Chola ji,

he was supposed to be an aramic speaking galilean jew, though there is no credible proof or evidence that he ever existed, in spite of the many deluded gora academics who very expensively seek to prove otherwise.

Each to his own, though.

But, I do, however, see your point.

Another point struck me, tormented and cursed as they have been for centuries, by their own isolation, the hans have a very serious crisis of identity and this is exacerbated by the turmoil and disarray in their society.

Mollick.R · Post by **Mollick.R** » 21 Mar 2019 12:28

Clear stand on Huawei 5G gear, telcos urge government

NEW DELHI: India’s telcos called upon the government to clarify its stance on whether operators should order 5G equipment from Chinese company Huawei or not, saying they can’t afford to take a risk with millions of dollars at stake.

“We are at a loss as to what to do as an operator — should we order Huawei equipment or should we not? It (the risk) cannot be taken by operators,” Bharti Enterprises vice chairman Akhil Gupta said at the third ET Telecom India MobileConclaveon Tuesday. “I request the government of India to make it clear as soon as possible.”

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Ambiguity Over Allowing Huawei
“If there are perceived security issues, the government should inform operators so that they are not stuck with the risk because today if they invest using Huawei products, then six months down the line, they do not want to be in a position where government requires them to remove the equipment,” Mathews said.

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“Any move to retrospectively ban 5G equipment could not only be seriously disruptive to operators but also to customers who may face disruptions to their service,” Mathews said, adding telcos have also written to the Department of Telecommunications (DoT). The concerns have arisen because of DoT’s apparent ambiguity over allowing Huawei to participate in 5G trials. The Chinese company was first excluded by DoT, then added to the list of those that could participate in the trials. But in late February, telecom secretary Aruna Sundararajan said the government was yet to take a decision on whether to allow Chinese gear makers to take part as it was examining security-related issues on the back of fears raised by various countries.

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Indian operators have been trying to gather more information about security aspects related to Chinese 5G equipment.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 506366.cms

Mollick.R · Post by **Mollick.R** » 21 Mar 2019 12:35

Mollick.R wrote:Clear stand on Huawei 5G gear, telcos urge government

I'm sure even if GOI bans them (Huawei) from 5G, they will knock doors of Judiciary stating its loss of public and private money. Indian users will pay the ultimate price of "expensive" alternate equipment blah...l blah..... and with amount of Chinky stooges in in that institution, they will get a favorable decision for sure.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 21 Mar 2019 13:33

Point to note - Indian telcos are under severe stress. Chinese makers are very capable of undercutting all competition to secure the market, given they're facing very stiff bans in us, europe and east asia. They'll fight hard with our own useful idiots batting for them too.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Mar 2019 18:16

Prasad wrote:Point to note - Indian telcos are under severe stress. Chinese makers are very capable of undercutting all competition to secure the market, given they're facing very stiff bans in us, europe and east asia. They'll fight hard with our own useful idiots batting for them too.

swiss banks were made exactly for situations such as these.

the guys who run such companies will make a nice packet from the hans if they push the GoI to go with cheeni equipment makers as will the policitos and the baboo(n)s.

there is an Indian CEO who took a cut from the manufacturer for every aircraft he ordered. This paragon of virtue made millions in the bargain, all safely secured in foreign banks.

similar virtuous paragons will certainly exist in the telecom sector as well.

and having India in the 5G Huawei bag will be a nice coup for the hans.

sarathy · Post by **sarathy** » 21 Mar 2019 18:36

pratik wrote:India's options
- Become part of Quad grouping. Bigger Malabar exercises
- Brahmos gift to Taiwan, Bhutan & Japan
- No Huawei contract
- Attack PoK & Cpec infrastructure

What else...

- Need to build up and modernize forces rapidly. Be ready to fight a reasonably long war - ammo etc wise.
- Take out/neutralize (somehow) pakis before China succeeds in their proxy occupation (Infra, submarines et al.). 2 Front War would be tough - at this point it seems inevitable in future. So, Pakis need to be out of the way for us to be able to deal with Cheen, IMO. What's happening on LOCnow is good.

Dumal · Post by **Dumal** » 21 Mar 2019 18:56

chetak wrote:
Prasad wrote:Point to note - Indian telcos are under severe stress. Chinese makers are very capable of undercutting all competition to secure the market, given they're facing very stiff bans in us, europe and east asia. They'll fight hard with our own useful idiots batting for them too.
swiss banks were made exactly for situations such as these.

the guys who run such companies will make a nice packet from the hans if they push the GoI to go with cheeni equipment makers as will the policitos and the baboo(n)s.

there is an Indian CEO who took a cut from the manufacturer for every aircraft he ordered. This paragon of virtue made millions in the bargain, all safely secured in foreign banks.

similar virtuous paragons will certainly exist in the telecom sector as well.

and having India in the 5G Huawei bag will be a nice coup for the hans.

My understanding is that they not only have killer prices but also provide generous vendor financing, which means the telcos don’t have to, for the most part, fund capex. This is very attractive for the telcos facing extreme competition.

It is not only the Indian telcos but even all across Europe and and elsewhere including many US telcos. Rumours have it that a large US telco keeps out Huawei in the US but when it comes to markets outside of US they happily lap up the cheap vendor-financed Chinese equipment.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Mar 2019 19:46

Dumal wrote:
chetak wrote:
swiss banks were made exactly for situations such as these.

the guys who run such companies will make a nice packet from the hans if they push the GoI to go with cheeni equipment makers as will the policitos and the baboo(n)s.

there is an Indian CEO who took a cut from the manufacturer for every aircraft he ordered. This paragon of virtue made millions in the bargain, all safely secured in foreign banks.

similar virtuous paragons will certainly exist in the telecom sector as well.

and having India in the 5G Huawei bag will be a nice coup for the hans.
My understanding is that they not only have killer prices but also provide generous vendor financing, which means the telcos don’t have to, for the most part, fund capex. This is very attractive for the telcos facing extreme competition.

It is not only the Indian telcos but even all across Europe and and elsewhere including many US telcos. Rumours have it that a large US telco keeps out Huawei in the US but when it comes to markets outside of US they happily lap up the cheap vendor-financed Chinese equipment.

so despite all rumors to the contrary, the chinese have indeed discovered the mythical free lunch?? that very same free lunch that the goras said it never existed:)

and the goras are happily eating it??.

securitywise, they deserve all they get shoveled on to their plates, no??

and our guys may not be too far behind either.

In the power sector, with the private UMPPs, encouraged by the congis in 2005, the hans did the very same thing, equipmentwise as well as capexwise, and with the steeply falling per unit power prices, these UMPPs owners are in deep doo-doo, players like chota ambani and others, too well known to be named here etc.

If this govt had not come along fortuitously, CPEC would have run through the very heart of India, including many well developed ports on the west coast, along with freight corridors, both rail and road.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Mar 2019 19:04

China wades into the India-Pakistan quagmire - Atul Aneja, The Hindu

It was a meeting of friends that stretched late into the evening. Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi and his counterpart, State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi, talked after sundown in the Diaoyutai state guest house, a complex of several buildings and pavilions, set amid water bodies and acres of greens.

After a lengthy wait, a tiring press corps was finally face-to-face with the two interlocutors. Mr. Wang, the host who had just returned from Europe, spoke first, followed by Mr. Qureshi, whose voice and bearing betrayed the strain of the last one month when India and Pakistan, at one point, stood a whisker away from a devastating war. It was soon evident that among the spectrum of topics that they had addressed, the Pulwama incident had stood out.

On February 14, a suicide bomber killed at least 40 CRPF personnel in Pulwama, Kashmir, triggering a rapid military escalation between India and Pakistan. In the United Nations Security Council, France, Britain and the U.S. moved to designate Masood Azhar, the head of the Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM), which claimed responsibility for the attack, as an international terrorist.

The Chinese Foreign Minister and his Pakistani counterpart were meeting after Beijing, for the fourth time, effectively blocked Azhar’s designation as a global terrorist. The decision inflamed public opinion in India, but New Delhi, avoiding a harsh response, chose continuity in its engagement with China, which had taken wing last year at Wuhan, where Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping met for freewheeling reset talks that lasted for two days. The Wuhan summit had demonstrated that far from the Cold War-era when Beijing had sought India’s containment with Pakistan’s support, Chinese foreign policy had embarked on an entirely new phase of dual engagement. Without losing Pakistan as its core ally, China also wanted to bond with India.

There are compelling strategic reasons for the triangulation of China’s foreign policy towards India and Pakistan. With its room for manoeuvre in the Pacific cramped by the U.S.-dominated first island chain, Chinese strategists have been looking for ingresses in the Indian Ocean, which can help Beijing bypass Washington’s iron grip across the Malacca Straits. For China, Pakistan’s port of Gwadar — the starting point of the China Pakistan Economic Corridor — is a gateway to the Indian Ocean.

The recent downturn in the ties with the U.S. is also reinforcing China-Pakistan bonds. By driving an unrivalled relationship with Islamabad, China hopes to prevent the revival of a once hyperactive relationship between the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the Pakistani security establishment, which could spread subversion in Xinjiang — the gateway of China’s prestige Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) for reviving the ancient Silk route.

Economic factors

The U.S. factor is also a big driver of China’s recent outreach towards India. Officials in Beijing privately acknowledge that preventing India from joining the Indo-Pacific quad, as military partners of the U.S., Japan and Australia, for the containment of China is one of their major foreign policy priorities. There are also compelling economic factors, when Beijing is being forced to look for new markets and supply chains by the so-called trade war with Washington, which is triggering a revamp of India-China ties.

But the Chinese have made it plain that improvement of ties with India cannot come at Pakistan’s cost. In the run-up to discussions on Azhar’s UN designation as an international terrorist, Chinese officials conveyed to their Indian counterparts their fears that in case the head of JeM is proscribed, India will seek labelling of Pakistan as a state sponsor of terrorism, which Beijing roundly rejects. In fact, the Chinese are on record stating that while they are on board in eliminating “breeding grounds of terrorism”, publicly naming and shaming the Pakistani state as a sponsor of terrorism is not part of their playbook. {China cannot have the cake and eat it too. If China has 'redlines' then so does India}

China has stated its intent to mediate between India and Pakistan after the Pulwama attack. But Beijing, as well as New Delhi and Islamabad, may have to show flexibility and ingenuity before a meaningful convergence can be achieved. {Whoever had even said that India accepted Beijing's mediation? How can such an implacable enemy of India and an 'iron friend' of Pakistan even offer to mediate and expect India to accept that offer? Why does The Hindu correspondent say that India has to show flexibility? Flexibility to achieve what?}

PS: It was Shah Mehmood Quereshi who pledged his country's foreign policy to China after 26/11.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 24 Mar 2019 19:25

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/03/1 ... c_cold_war
Intelligence Squared debate: The 'Techonomic Cold War' with China

Some summary given there. Worth listening to the debate if you have the time.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Mar 2019 19:58

Sri Lanka breaks ground for oil refinery with investments from Indian firm, Oman - PTI

Sri Lanka on Sunday began construction of a $3.85 billion oil refinery next to a Chinese-run port as part of a joint venture between India’s Accord Group and Oman’s Oil Ministry, the island nation’s biggest foreign direct investment (FDI) ever.

Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe, whose 70th birthday coincided with the ground-breaking ceremony, said that with investments coming from India, China and Oman, Hambantota is set to become a multinational investment zone.

Oman and Sri Lanka have centuries-old relationships, Oman’s Oil and Gas Minister Mohammed Hamad Al Rumhi said at the ceremony.

The $3.85 billion project is the single largest FDI in the island nation’s history.

The refinery project, expected to complete in four years, came under criticism last week when a media report claimed that the government of Oman had rejected any knowledge of the project.

China has acquired the Hambantota port for a 99-year lease as a debt swap.

Beijing on March 21 said that it is “not narrow minded” to oppose the Indian investments in Sri Lanka, as it reacted guardedly to the $3.85 billion joint venture between India’s Accord Group and Oman’s Oil Ministry.

Chinese investments over the years in Sri Lanka amounted to over $8 billion adding pressure to Colombo’s external debt burden.

TKiran · Post by **TKiran** » 24 Mar 2019 20:35

^^^SM Qureshi and whoever was his mentor at that time did a big mistake by thinking that they can get FDI and other economic benefits by alignment with China. They didn't calculate that China would become a super power within a decade. They thought they can double play China a'la they did with US. Clearly China won to the detriment of Pakistani state by eliminating any leverages SM Qureshi and his ilk thought they could gain. Consequently China has wise like grip on Pakistan, and Pakistan has become a vassal. If it was today that Pakistan had to choose between US or China, they would not have chosen China over US.

The other thing that spoilt their calculations was that they didn't consider the possibility of US meakly tucking it's tail and runway from Afghanistan. They thought they could play China against US, in Afghanistan, but again China was too clever not to come out to fore' . Clearly nobody can say that US is running away from Afghanistan because of China. They controlled the ISI very well.

Even though airstrikes in balakot have changed a lot of strategic equations between Pakistan and India, Pakistan cannot come out of the Chinese grip now. China will continue to use ready-made terror factories in Pakistan to push away India from Kashmir.

First tactical step for China would be to prevent BJP from getting the majority in general elections, even if they fail, they have plan B.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 25 Mar 2019 11:19

SSridhar wrote:Sri Lanka breaks ground for oil refinery with investments from Indian firm, Oman - PTI
Sri Lanka on Sunday began construction of a $3.85 billion oil refinery next to a Chinese-run port as part of a joint venture between India’s Accord Group and Oman’s Oil Ministry, the island nation’s biggest foreign direct investment (FDI) ever.

Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe, whose 70th birthday coincided with the ground-breaking ceremony, said that with investments coming from India, China and Oman, Hambantota is set to become a multinational investment zone.

Oman and Sri Lanka have centuries-old relationships, Oman’s Oil and Gas Minister Mohammed Hamad Al Rumhi said at the ceremony.

The $3.85 billion project is the single largest FDI in the island nation’s history.

The refinery project, expected to complete in four years, came under criticism last week when a media report claimed that the government of Oman had rejected any knowledge of the project.

China has acquired the Hambantota port for a 99-year lease as a debt swap.

Beijing on March 21 said that it is “not narrow minded” to oppose the Indian investments in Sri Lanka, as it reacted guardedly to the $3.85 billion joint venture between India’s Accord Group and Oman’s Oil Ministry.

Chinese investments over the years in Sri Lanka amounted to over $8 billion adding pressure to Colombo’s external debt burden.

This is paid for by DMK strongman from Arokanam who could be Benami from Stalin, wonder why someone who is Uber rich and made his money in the last 20 years is only connected with DMK party from TN

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 25 Mar 2019 13:35

TKiran wrote:^^^SM Qureshi and whoever was his mentor at that time did a big mistake by thinking that they can get FDI and other economic benefits by alignment with China. They didn't calculate that China would become a super power within a decade. They thought they can double play China a'la they did with US. Clearly China won to the detriment of Pakistani state by eliminating any leverages SM Qureshi and his ilk thought they could gain. Consequently China has wise like grip on Pakistan, and Pakistan has become a vassal. If it was today that Pakistan had to choose between US or China, they would not have chosen China over US.

The other thing that spoilt their calculations was that they didn't consider the possibility of US meakly tucking it's tail and runway from Afghanistan. They thought they could play China against US, in Afghanistan, but again China was too clever not to come out to fore' . Clearly nobody can say that US is running away from Afghanistan because of China. They controlled the ISI very well.

Even though airstrikes in balakot have changed a lot of strategic equations between Pakistan and India, Pakistan cannot come out of the Chinese grip now. China will continue to use ready-made terror factories in Pakistan to push away India from Kashmir.

First tactical step for China would be to prevent BJP from getting the majority in general elections, even if they fail, they have plan B.

Lol, your posts read like the China-specific version of what Harpal Bector used to post here for a short while. Everything in the world is a carefully thought out and executed chessboard manouvre by the omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient Chinese equivalents of the 'Grandmaster of Suhawardy Street'

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Mar 2019 19:51

China pumps in $2.2 billion in Pakistan's dwindling forex reserves - PTI

China on Monday pumped-in $2.2 billion to cash-strapped Pakistan to shore up its close ally's foreign currency reserves and help avert a possible default on external debt payments.

With the generous Chinese assistance, Pakistan has so far received a total of $9.1 billion in financial assistance packages from friendly countries during the current fiscal year, The Express Tribune reported.

While China has pumped-in $4.1 billion from China, Pakistan has got $3 billion from Saudi Arabia and $2 billion from United Arab Emirates (UAE), it said.

"The State Bank of Pakistan has received RMB 15 billion value equivalent to $2.2 billion as proceeds of the loan obtained by the government of Pakistan from China," the central bank tweeted.

Finance ministry Spokesperson Khaqan Hassan Najeeb said the funds deposited in the State Bank of Pakistan would strengthen the stability of the country.

The SBP's reserves stood at $8.84 billion as on March 15, 2019, according to the central bank's latest weekly report. The latest deposits came from Beijing are expected to boost the SBP'S reserves into double digit after a gap of almost one year, the report said.

VKumar · Post by **VKumar** » 25 Mar 2019 21:47

India should increase customs duty on all Chinese imports to 200%.