MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 08 Apr 2019 18:11

This press briefing is a symptom which exposes lack of faith and self respect this nation has. Despite earlier MoD statements, IAF showcase of AMRAAM, Defense ministers statements we still doubt it.

This is plain reaction to trolling by porkis on media, and Twitter. Don’t feed the troll!!

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 08 Apr 2019 18:11

Saw India today, Electronic images of Radars presented, showing the Aircraft going down

Bhaskar_T · Post by **Bhaskar_T** » 08 Apr 2019 18:11

IAF's statement looks like Executive Summary of what Sameer Joshi wrote in long blog full of facts, technical details, information available from social media and logical conclusions.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Apr 2019 18:21

Aditya_V wrote:Saw India today, Electronic images of Radars presented, showing the Aircraft going down

Screenshot it if possible.

LakshmanPST · Post by **LakshmanPST** » 08 Apr 2019 18:26

https://twitter.com/tv9gujarati/status/ ... 92704?s=19 ---> Indian Air Force (IAF) releases AWACS (Airborne Warning And Control System) radar images.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 08 Apr 2019 18:31

https://twitter.com/TimesNow/status/1115231325697396742 ---> IAF puts out detailed proof. | Radar images nails Pakistan.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 08 Apr 2019 18:35

Karan M wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:Saw India today, Electronic images of Radars presented, showing the Aircraft going down
Screenshot it if possible.

India today said thier cameras have got it and put it out on TV shortly. Oops aldrady put up by posters

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 08 Apr 2019 18:37

I read tweets by several Paki defence experts over the weekend but did not want to post it. The tweets were in response to several Indian journalists posting on twitter what IAF showed them i.e. images of radar tracks of F-16 disappearing. The Pakis quickly started posting that PAF had deployed highly sophisticated EW systems (which ones were not mentioned neither did repeated calls of at least posting origin of such EW equipment) which are capable of spoofing Phalcon and generating false radar tracks on Phalcon's screens. Hence even if IAF presents radar tracks as proof, it would be based on false radar tracks as seen by Phalcon and thus no F-16 went down onlee.

Point is, no matter what evidence IAF/GoI provides, Pakis will come up with some thing absurd to preserve their H&D and this will be used by our stupid media & jerks like Coupta to instill doubts about IAF's statements & to hammer this current Govt.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 08 Apr 2019 18:38

Dont bother about Pakis, this is for us to enjoy the details. Further proof JF 17 is BVR and PGM nude1.They were in the area as display pieces neither doing a bombing round or engaging the IAF

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Apr 2019 18:41

Zynda, those PAF propaganda guys are Idiots. The IAF's AWACS are L-Band AESAs with very low sidelobes, frequency agility and many other advanced ECCM features. Now which L Band deception jammer with high ERP does PAF field, and how did this jammer only magically work when F-16 was to be shot down and till then, it didn't work, allowing IAF to vector Bisons to F-16s and track the air battle?

Pakistani F-16s have X-band and above jammers. They don't work against India's Phalcons or Netras. They couldn't even jam IAF Su-30 MKIs or Mirage 2000s.

Davidrock · Post by **Davidrock** » 08 Apr 2019 18:45

This is awesome news. IAF putting it in front of the world with evidence.

While DGISPR may have had the lead in initial perception battle, IAF is definitely far ahead as truth comes out.

Sathyamev Jayatay. Jai hind.

mmasand · Post by **mmasand** » 08 Apr 2019 18:47

Aditya_V wrote:Dont bother about Pakis, this is for us to enjoy the details. Further proof JF 17 is BVR and PGM nude

I don't think presser was directed towards PAF or domestic consumption, or in response to FP but more so to the American lobby and Pentagon. I wouldn't discredit the F-16, rather the poor training of the PAF pilots.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 08 Apr 2019 18:48

Huh I am talking about JF17

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Apr 2019 18:49

This is the video,
https://twitter.com/TimesNow/status/1115234653634355200

Can anyone do screenshots. Alpha 4 call-sign, disappeared thereafter.

Mukesh.Kumar · Post by **Mukesh.Kumar** » 08 Apr 2019 18:50

Rant Alert:[ON]

This episode is getting hilarious. For a moment let's take India and Pakistan out of the frame. What would be our opinion if instead of India and Pakistan the parties were SoKo and NoKo, Greece and Turkey, US and Canada, Finland and Russia. The whole world would have been laughing.

What is the point of giving further evidence. The constituency of people like seniors at BRF and IAF experts have already given a plausible explanation, which those of us who wish to know and examine have agreed to. The group of nay-sayers, and those who doubt anything good coming out of India, will never agree, even if Vasudeva was to appear in his Vishvarupam and state the obvious.

By offering 'dosas' one after the other we are just diverting attention from the true narrative. Just keep quiet and smack them again when the time is right.

Rant Alert:[OFF]

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Apr 2019 18:52

Low rez screenshot

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 08 Apr 2019 18:53

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 08 Apr 2019 18:54

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Apr 2019 18:56

1st Pic from LDev is of the battlespace again Phalcon or IACCS.
Pic above in my post, 2nd Pic from LDev is of the F-16 track vanish etc, i.e. live Phalcon image of targets.
Another pic of Battlespace:

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 08 Apr 2019 18:57

Post moved to the following thread. Please continue discussion there. OT for current thread.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7178&start=200

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Apr 2019 18:57

These are the specific areas observed by IA of aircraft fall.

gaurav.p · Post by **gaurav.p** » 08 Apr 2019 18:59

Watch it explained by the Air Vice Marshal...

https://mobile.twitter.com/ANI/status/1 ... 6894928896 ---> Air Vice Marshal RGK Kapoor in the radar images shows the location of the shooting down of F-16 of Pakistan Air Force (PAF) by an Indian Air Force (IAF) MiG-21 piloted by Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ANI/status/1 ... 4938903556 ---> Indian Air Force (IAF) releases AWACS (Airborne Warning And Control System) radar images; Air Vice Marshal RGK Kapoor confirms Pakistan F-16 was downed by an Indian Air Force (IAF) MiG-21 on February 27th.

VikramA · Post by **VikramA** » 08 Apr 2019 19:12

If I am reading these images properly the engagement did not happen near the loc but deep inside POK right near Mirpur and just a stone's throw away from paki border with pok

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Apr 2019 19:13

Fairly conclusive. I can think of a million "bahanas" and BS claims the Pakistani side can come up with, but at this point, its obvious what happened.

Claim 1: PAF has jammers/EW
Prove where PAF has any sort of high power L Band jammer & how these didn't work all the while and only when F-16 disappeared

Claim2: PAF aircraft dipped into the terrain and vanished
Phalcon is designed to pick up low flying aircraft against ground clutter & in heavy EW conditions

https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/phalcon.htm

This electronically steered beam radar delivers a tremendous advantage over mechanical rotating antenna, as it supports the tracking a high maneuvering targets. The radar can detect even low flying objects from distances of hundreds of kilometers, day and night, under all weather conditions. Verification beams sent at specific, individual, newly detected targets eliminate false alarms. Moreover, track initiation is achieved in 2 to 4 seconds as compared to 20 to 40 seconds with a rotodome radar

syam · Post by **syam** » 08 Apr 2019 19:21

These images are overkill for pakis. Target must be someone else. One question I want to ask - what the hell going on?

mmasand · Post by **mmasand** » 08 Apr 2019 19:21

^ I didn't know Chinese baby monitors (not radios) with AA batteries were so sophisticated. The message has been delivered on a day when the new CentCom chief is in Isloo.

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 08 Apr 2019 19:22

Pukis desperate to save H&D! IAF took their pants off by striking deep into Pak while PAF couldn’t do anything. Therefore this desperate attempt to divert from their failure and to learn more about Indian tech.

VikramA · Post by **VikramA** » 08 Apr 2019 19:23

syam wrote:These images are overkill for pakis. Target must be someone else. One question I want to ask - what the hell going on?

it might be a msg to US to come clean with the count

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Apr 2019 19:23

mmasand wrote:^ I didn't know Chinese baby monitors (not radios) with AA batteries were so sophisticated.

What do you mean?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Apr 2019 19:25

Karan M wrote:Zynda, those PAF propaganda guys are Idiots. The IAF's AWACS are L-Band AESAs with very low sidelobes, frequency agility and many other advanced ECCM features. Now which L Band deception jammer with high ERP does PAF field, and how did this jammer only magically work when F-16 was to be shot down and till then, it didn't work, allowing IAF to vector Bisons to F-16s and track the air battle?

Pakistani F-16s have X-band and above jammers. They don't work against India's Phalcons or Netras. They couldn't even jam IAF Su-30 MKIs or Mirage 2000s.

F-16 uses AN/ALQ-173(V) Jammers on F-16 and C-130

Must be a Body Blow to PAF pysche to know their best jammers dont work against any IAF assets

VikramA · Post by **VikramA** » 08 Apr 2019 19:27

AN/ALQ-173(V) Jammers are used to jam incoming BVR missiles which use KU band and not AWACS

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 08 Apr 2019 19:30

VikramA wrote:
syam wrote:These images are overkill for pakis. Target must be someone else. One question I want to ask - what the hell going on?
it might be a msg to US to come clean with the count

Phalcon is an Israeli radar developed with American assistance/inputs (the reason why they denied clearance to export it to China) and here's it's been used highly effectively by the IAF to showcase the downing of an American built jet.

The "Western" eggspurts will truly have fun tying themselves into knots while explaining away this one.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 08 Apr 2019 19:32

Is the Written Ishtatement available to aam taxpayer?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Apr 2019 19:33

What kind of Jammers did US supplier to paf for F-16 ?

Very interesting that first AMRAAM and now Jamners of Teens are effectively nullified by IAF

Effectively their ace of spade F-16 are turning to be sub par body blow to PAF psyche

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Apr 2019 19:38

Austin, they carry AIDEWS
https://www.harris.com/sites/default/fi ... asheet.pdf
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/51 ... 16s-02396/

As mentioned before, its nothing but a X band and above self protection jammer.

Clearly didn't work against the Su-30s (as also evidenced by how they ran) or the Mirage 2000s.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Apr 2019 19:40

UlanBatori wrote:Is the Written Ishtatement available to aam taxpayer?

My post at the top of the thread has the IAFs written statement, as image files.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 08 Apr 2019 19:41

Sorry onlee, can't see any way to download or access. Is it my browser? It just shows as the word "Image".

sum · Post by **sum** » 08 Apr 2019 19:45

VikramA wrote:If I am reading these images properly the engagement did not happen near the loc but deep inside POK right near Mirpur and just a stone's throw away from paki border with pok

That what it looked to me too!

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Apr 2019 19:49

UlanBatori wrote:Sorry onlee, can't see any way to download or access. Is it my browser? It just shows as the word "Image".

Are these ok
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3oVnmyW0AAu_PR.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3oVnm2W0AEE8ze.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3oVnmzXoAA_lJN.jpg