2019 General Elections News and Discussion

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 20 Apr 2019 18:51

see jee eye

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Apr 2019 18:58

Pratyush wrote:
fanne wrote:Learned Maulanas - Attack on GOGA, is it from Bharat side or TSP side?

GOGA??

commie side meaning some direct minority inspiration of the rome kind.

Ranarasika · Post by **Ranarasika** » 20 Apr 2019 19:44

Please witness the horror first hand. INC official handle posted hinduphobic video in Twitter. They used image of Sri Ram, police officer lynched by M mob but attribution to H mob, Tripund with blood and associated flag of Hanuman-ji with blood and terror.

Also, Raul Vinci's election papers are under scrutiny since his degree, UK citizenship is in question.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 20 Apr 2019 20:03

Rahul M wrote:the curriculum pattern and the UPSC interview process (which in UPA time was led my marxist/maoist pro-naxal academics) focus heavily on selecting people from the nehruvian 'idea of India' crowd who think they are 'world citizens', look down upon patriotism and are heavily left leaning. A few normal people might get through but only if they keep their beliefs under wraps. The question pattern is heavily suggestive and the answer sheet checking is done by DU/JNU profs who again are heavily left leaning and shamelessly partisan.
for near 3 decades, may be more, the suggested reading for UPSC aspirants has been N Ram's Hindu. Multi-stage filters were there at question setting, answer checking & interview process so that only those who could internalise that worldview would get through. At no stage is the basic loyalty of a candidate towards India or its constitution ever considered. The police verification is a sham since it's a formality as long as no criminal case exists.
This hasn't changed one bit even after NDA-II.
Now of course, there's the zakat foundation gaming the system to get jihadis into the services. And of course, for long there has been a steady flow of evangelical bigots in the system, mostly from NE but also from southern states like KL, TN etc.

Those are some very serious allegations. Has it always been like this for UPSC? I always thought that UPSC represented the best and brightest of the country.

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 20 Apr 2019 20:41

These are not 'serious allegations', this is pretty well known and understood. Rahul is also right about the Zakat foundation business.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 20 Apr 2019 20:42

Wire, scroll and quint published some woman's harassment charges on CJI to force him on Rafale or Pappu's hearing on 22.

negi · Post by **negi** » 20 Apr 2019 20:49

Mort Walker wrote: Those are some very serious allegations. Has it always been like this for UPSC? I always thought that UPSC represented the best and brightest of the country.

IISC , ISRO , RRCAT , BARC, TIFR they don't select via UPSC. You know which departments come under the ambit of UPSC , the brightest generally don't even apply there (not speaking about myself).

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 20 Apr 2019 21:06

Mort Walker wrote:
Rahul M wrote:the curriculum pattern and the UPSC interview process (which in UPA time was led my marxist/maoist pro-naxal academics) focus heavily on selecting people from the nehruvian 'idea of India' crowd who think they are 'world citizens', look down upon patriotism and are heavily left leaning. A few normal people might get through but only if they keep their beliefs under wraps. The question pattern is heavily suggestive and the answer sheet checking is done by DU/JNU profs who again are heavily left leaning and shamelessly partisan.
for near 3 decades, may be more, the suggested reading for UPSC aspirants has been N Ram's Hindu. Multi-stage filters were there at question setting, answer checking & interview process so that only those who could internalise that worldview would get through. At no stage is the basic loyalty of a candidate towards India or its constitution ever considered. The police verification is a sham since it's a formality as long as no criminal case exists.
This hasn't changed one bit even after NDA-II.
Now of course, there's the zakat foundation gaming the system to get jihadis into the services. And of course, for long there has been a steady flow of evangelical bigots in the system, mostly from NE but also from southern states like KL, TN etc.
Those are some very serious allegations. Has it always been like this for UPSC? I always thought that UPSC represented the best and brightest of the country.

the best and brighest, somewhat true. you certainly need lots of stamina and memory. in past 10 years or so the pattern has moved on to more opinion based questions from fact based ones (which used to favour the mugging up aspirants). but at the end of the day UPSC exam tests a candidate's ability to write the UPSC exam, nothing more, nothing less.
also, just because these people are smart(they have to be, in order to beat the competition) does not mean they can't be leftist, especially when the system is loaded that way. if nothing else, consider this. on an average a succesful candidate takes 2-3 attempts to clear the exam. throughout those three years he/she would devour the hindu every single day, make notes from it and commit its opinions and 'facts' to memory.
can you not imagine what 3 years of that can do to your worldview, especially when you are in your early 20's and don't know any better ?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Apr 2019 21:08

vijayk wrote:Wire, scroll and quint published some woman's harassment charges on CJI to force him on Rafale or Pappu's hearing on 22.

there is some act of omission or commission by the SC that has riled the lefties and that means involvement of minorities from europe and specifically rome.

Apex groups of FFNGOs are financially backing presstitute scum like wire, scroll and quint as well as anti Modi channels in India and anti Modi print media abroad.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 20 Apr 2019 21:10

It looks like Pappu is in real trouble over the citizenship issue due to a complaint from an independent candidate in Amethi. EC has deferred evaluation of his nomination till next week.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Apr 2019 21:26

KL Dubey wrote:It looks like Pappu is in real trouble over the citizenship issue due to a complaint from an independent candidate in Amethi. EC has deferred evaluation of his nomination till next week.

his phoren educational certificates are in the name of raul vinci, Indian ones in name of rahul gandhi, he seemingly has citizenship of UK as well as italy, both of which permit dual citizenship but India automatically cancels the Indian citizenship of any Indian found with the dual citizenship of another country.

The sudden and unexected "sexual misconduct" strike on the CJI, completely out of the blue, may have a lot to do with this rapidly escalating issue and that too in an election year just as the liar is filing his nomination.

BTW, the "independent candidate" has been woken up from a very deep sleep and he has "filed" his objection.

Good tactical move.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 20 Apr 2019 21:39

I know some things about UK citizenship because of personal experience with having a UK born parent and associated unexpected complexities. Generally speaking:
* if you're born before 1983 and father is UK born, you're British
* If born before 1983 and mother is UK born, you can register as British
* If born after 1982, you're British if either parent is UK born

Note that the above is true even if you are born in India. None of this applies to RaGa since he has no UK born family (unless he was in fact born in UK and not in India - in which case he's UK citizen by birthright). What's more likely is that he's naturalized. This is straightforward in UK - 5 years on general visa gets you Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR) - what they call permanent residence, which can then be transformed to naturalized citizenship after 1 year. The timelines may be compressed with Home Secretary. RaGa was a UK resident from mid 90s to mid 2000s. Vijay Mallya has ILR, I've read.

Separately, there's claim to Italian citizenship, which is:
* If you're born after Jan 1 1948 to an Italian parent, you have Italian citizenship.

The above is true even if the person concerned never got the passport of either country. Many people have these circumstances.

It's fine from Indian purposes as long as you don't try to claim them. Indian citizenship law states that if you have latent claim to another citizenship, there's no problem as long as you don't try to claim it (i.e. don't apply for a foreign passport). Once you do, you lose Indian citizenship. Officially claiming citizenship of another country that you're entitled to, causes loss of Indian citizenship.

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 20 Apr 2019 21:41

chetak wrote:
KL Dubey wrote:It looks like Pappu is in real trouble over the citizenship issue due to a complaint from an independent candidate in Amethi. EC has deferred evaluation of his nomination till next week.
his phoren educational certificates are in the name of raul vinci, Indian ones in name of rahul gandhi, he seemingly has citizenship of UK as well as italy, both of which permit dual citizenship but India automatically cancels the Indian citizenship of any Indian found with the dual citizenship of another country.

The sudden and unexected "sexual misconduct" strike on the CJI, completely out of the blue, may have a lot to do with this rapidly escalating issue and that too in an election year just as the liar is filing his nomination.

BTW, the "independent candidate" has been woken up from a very deep sleep and he has "filed" his objection.

Good tactical move.

I have been saying this for years. A quick reminder for those who wish to know how the Cantab system works is that the MPhil for Land Economic, Dev Studies are usually granted to sportsmen mainly rowers and rugger buggers to burnish their academic status and credentials. In addition they are granted to the offspring of middle eastern potentates whom the UK government wishes to court. In vinci's case, it was paid for by the EU/Uk government so that he is beholden to them.
The place in Hampstead where he stays had him listed in the electoral roll.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 20 Apr 2019 22:06

rgosain wrote: ....
The place in Hampstead where he stays had him listed in the electoral roll.

AFAIK, commonwealth citizens are eligible to vote in UK under some conditions(not sure what those are). one of my friends voted while doing his post-doc there. He was certainly an Indian citizen at the time.

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How feudalism survives and has morphed into neo-feudalism in the nehru-gandhi bastion of Awadh, which includes amethi, rae bareili etc.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Apr 2019 22:12

rgosain wrote:
chetak wrote:
his phoren educational certificates are in the name of raul vinci, Indian ones in name of rahul gandhi, he seemingly has citizenship of UK as well as italy, both of which permit dual citizenship but India automatically cancels the Indian citizenship of any Indian found with the dual citizenship of another country.

The sudden and unexected "sexual misconduct" strike on the CJI, completely out of the blue, may have a lot to do with this rapidly escalating issue and that too in an election year just as the liar is filing his nomination.

BTW, the "independent candidate" has been woken up from a very deep sleep and he has "filed" his objection.

Good tactical move.
I have been saying this for years. A quick reminder for those who wish to know how the Cantab system works is that the MPhil for Land Economic, Dev Studies are usually granted to sportsmen mainly rowers and rugger buggers to burnish their academic status and credentials. In addition they are granted to the offspring of middle eastern potentates whom the UK government wishes to court. In vinci's case, it was paid for by the EU/Uk government so that he is beholden to them.
The place in Hampstead where he stays had him listed in the electoral roll.

a born in pak, trusted and acknowledged lootyens acolyte was heading the privileges committee in the parliament and this very same matter of pappu raul vinci was referred to him in the fond and not unreasonable hope of a quick resolution some years ago.

Sad to say that the matter is still pending without any action and the concerned people were busily burnishing their rusty and corroded halos in the high hopes of snagging the gaddi in the raj bhawan but their hopes were very rudely dashed.

karma is truly a biatch, seen especially, by some, in the light of a sadhvi getting a ticket to contest against diggy and with the PM's publicly stated unconditional support.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 20 Apr 2019 22:26

and the IAS association has made its presence known.

IAS Association
‏Verified account @IASassociation

IAS Association Retweeted IPS Association

We stand by our IPS colleagues. Hemant Karkare is a martyr and we salute him.

Dumal · Post by **Dumal** » 20 Apr 2019 22:28

fanne wrote:see jee eye

Could these kind of interruptions be orchestrated to change the order of seniority for future CJIs? I.e if these allegations end up forcing the current CJI to resign/retire?

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 20 Apr 2019 22:34

negi wrote:
Mort Walker wrote: Those are some very serious allegations. Has it always been like this for UPSC? I always thought that UPSC represented the best and brightest of the country.
IISC , ISRO , RRCAT , BARC, TIFR they don't select via UPSC. You know which departments come under the ambit of UPSC , the brightest generally don't even apply there (not speaking about myself).

Don’t IIT lecturers come under UPSC selection?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 20 Apr 2019 22:38

Mort Walker wrote:
negi wrote: IISC , ISRO , RRCAT , BARC, TIFR they don't select via UPSC. You know which departments come under the ambit of UPSC , the brightest generally don't even apply there (not speaking about myself).
Don’t IIT lecturers come under UPSC selection?

all PSU's and research institutes like IIT's make their own selections. even DRDO conducts its own exams.

UPSC recruits only for central govt & UT. likewise state PSC's conduct exams for state govt recruitment.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 20 Apr 2019 22:55

Rahul M wrote:
rgosain wrote: ....
The place in Hampstead where he stays had him listed in the electoral roll.
AFAIK, commonwealth citizens are eligible to vote in UK under some conditions(not sure what those are). one of my friends voted while doing his post-doc there. He was certainly an Indian citizen at the time.

Absolutely correct - "commonwealth citizens" (including Indian citizens) are eligible to vote in any UK election from local to parliament, hold public office, run for parliament etc., assuming they entered the country legally and have stayed there long enough to gain the "leave to remain".

The Brits realized that keeping this door open to rich or powerful "escapees" from their 30+ erstwhile colonies would be beneficial to them. It is a major reason why a large number of Indian crooks and fugitives with enough money will head for the UK where they enjoy unparalleled civic rights and amenities.

And this is also why I have been saying for years that India should leave the "commonwealth" immediately AND (in the event that UK does not recognize Indian withdrawal) debar Indian citizens from seeking "commonwealth citizen" benefits such as voting, running for parliament, etc. Doing this will have a huge effect: the UK will no longer be an attractive destination for crooks/frauds/other doubtful characters to escape from India.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 20 Apr 2019 23:15

That’s right , commonwealth citizens resident in UK can vote there . However, the fact is that this is UK law and not Indian law . In its strictest interpretation , the act of voting in a UK election by an Indian National can be interpreted as an act of relinquishment of Indian citizenship since you’re participating in an act of selecting another government .

This dichotomy also exists in citizenship matters . Let’s say you’re born in UK because your Indian parents where professionally involved there running the UK side of an Indian business . You return to India , grow up here and only ever have an Indian passport .

Pop quiz: which country’s citizen are you ?

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 20 Apr 2019 23:30

Mort Walker: there is a video by Rajiv Malhotra where he takes apart the UPSC admission procedure and explains how it produces a bunch of Indian Civilization haters. Pretty much everything Rahul M says is true. What's amazing is how well-kept a secret this was until recently!

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 20 Apr 2019 23:38

We here in BRF knew about it at least 20 yrs back.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 20 Apr 2019 23:41

imac_too's tweets suggest that the attack by the C-system against the CJI is to show him who's the boss. Its to ensure that the Rafale review is expedited before the election is over.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 20 Apr 2019 23:45

Supratik wrote:We here in BRF knew about it at least 20 yrs back.

The Nehruvian influence was known, but IIRC retiremment age is 60 for IAS. The people who are well established in the IAS should be their mid to late 40s. This would be people who were born in the late 1970s and their world views should have formed by the early 1990s.

negi · Post by **negi** » 20 Apr 2019 23:52

The issue is not when people were born , the issue is with mindset behind seeking a government job. How many say they want to serve or give versus how many are attracted towards it because once you are in you are all set for life . That mindset remained unchallenged until the private sector bloomed post late 90s . Back in the day if you had to swallow your pride and take a job you had to because there was no other option however that is not the case today , for proud and able there are options on the table today more importantly there is better awareness .

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 20 Apr 2019 23:56

Like JNU many levers of power did not/has not changed much even with change in govt twice. The old guards vigorously defend their turf. Academia/media/services have not changed much. I hear that the babus in Delhi hate the Modi govt with all their might. One reason why lateral recruitment has started is to break their monopoly. All these IPS/IAS associations pontificating on Karkare are C-system relics. The only exception is in the armed forces for the simple reason that the profession needs some degree of love and sacrifice for the nation. The babus don't need that.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 20 Apr 2019 23:58

The difference between wanting to serve vs. job security is always there. That said, world views within India have changed, IMO somewhat better with more recent generations.

Anyway all of this is off topic and I won’t say anymore to derail this thread. I have relatives appearing for UPSC exams and I know their world view is more like mine. Perhaps having this view will keep them from being selected.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 21 Apr 2019 00:17

Mort Walker wrote:The difference between wanting to serve vs. job security is always there. That said, world views within India have changed, IMO somewhat better with more recent generations.

Anyway all of this is off topic and I won’t say anymore to derail this thread. I have relatives appearing for UPSC exams and I know their world view is more like mine. Perhaps having this view will keep them from being selected.

they will have to keep at least a perfect neutral facade, if not a lean towards left in order to get through. There are statistically negligible exceptions though. one good thing that has happened is that more STEM walas have taken the dive and they tend to be more grounded in facts and logic than the airy fairy artsy types. anyway, OT.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 21 Apr 2019 00:29

The UPSC and associated issues need better publicity . After GE2014 there were demands here as to why GoI cannot getthigns done better / faster . Well, winning a GE even by a majority only gets you control of the lower house of legislature and the executive . It does not give control of the upper house , and more importantly , doesn’t give control of the administrative ‘steel frame’ of the country . The control of the latter is an entirely separate endeavor to be accomplished over a longer timeframe .

disha · Post by **disha** » 21 Apr 2019 00:37

Mukhi wrote:Any ground news from Begusarai, Bihar? For Gujarat, sentiments are high in favor of BJP and from what I am told, BJP’s candidate selection neutralizes cast equation quiet a bit. Expected to get 22 plus for sure.

Did you see the slap on Hardik Patel in Surendranagar? Pretty much sums up the state of CONgoons in Gujarat. Of course, BJP needs to get the vote out and not be complacent.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 21 Apr 2019 02:18

ramana wrote:
abhijitm wrote: I don't blame her. She is physically and emotionally hurt. I can understand her feelings. If someone hurt us we use MC BC and what not. It is BJP's responsibility to thoroughly prepare her speech before she goes public. I don't think it is done. BJP acted like a child burst a diwali atom bomb.. light and just turn away.

Don't want to sound melodramatic but curse of an innocent woman brings down empires.

Whole epic of Silippadikaram is about how the sea rose up to fulfill Kannagi's curse on Madurai.

To chide Sadvi Pragya is to deny our culture and heritage.

+1 Ramana. Exactly the same thing has been going through my mind. Fear of a wronged woman's shaapam has kept our civilization virtuous without need of policing. Sadly BJP let alone Congress or media seem out of touch.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 21 Apr 2019 03:29

@ANI

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Rajasthan: A case has been registered against Congress MLA from Rajgarh, Johari Lal Meena, under Section 376 of the IPC for allegedly raping a woman repeated times. More details awaited.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 21 Apr 2019 03:29

KLNMurthy wrote:
ramana wrote:

Don't want to sound melodramatic but curse of an innocent woman brings down empires.

Whole epic of Silippadikaram is about how the sea rose up to fulfill Kannagi's curse on Madurai.

To chide Sadvi Pragya is to deny our culture and heritage.
+1 Ramana. Exactly the same thing has been going through my mind. Fear of a wronged woman's shaapam has kept our civilization virtuous without need of policing. Sadly BJP let alone Congress or media seem out of touch.

Well if Kannagi was in the syllabus of UPSC, there wouldn't have been Congress, BJP, Sadvi to talk about. It would have been real India.

Out of thread topic, but I recommend this. Shri Aravindan talks about Indic Social Sciences which should have been the social science subject taught in schools and in the UPSC and other central and state public service exams.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c6x8H3SyBg
Indic Knowledge Systems - Social Sciences - Aravindan Neelakandan - #IndicTalks 15

- 5 lands
- When Devi is invoked relating also to Jai Bhavani warcry of Shivaji
- @13 mins he brings Kannagi episode while trying make another point.

saip · Post by **saip** » 21 Apr 2019 03:30

How about Priyanka Gandhi's citizenship?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Apr 2019 05:15

Folks let's come back to topic.
UPSC, Civil Service reform.all are after elections.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Apr 2019 05:39

Ex-IPS Ribeiro has apparently come out with a big blast against NaMo. Shame.
India A-Bored (owned by Rediff, right?) has a headline saying "Hindu Princess?" attacking Tulsi Gabbard for "right wing extremist links". I think they have gone too far this time. Maybe time for a social media lesson.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 21 Apr 2019 06:12

Rahul M wrote:and the IAS association has made its presence known.

IAS Association
‏Verified account @IASassociation

IAS Association Retweeted IPS Association

We stand by our IPS colleagues. Hemant Karkare is a martyr and we salute him.

Been saying this for years, NaMos reluctance (Prithviraj Chauhan syndrome?) in taking on the ecosystem in his rule will not earn him any brownie points from these parasitical brown sahibs.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 21 Apr 2019 06:13

UlanBatori wrote:Ex-IPS Ribeiro has apparently come out with a big blast against NaMo. Shame.

He showed his political inclinations a long time back itself.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Apr 2019 06:27

Congress official hindu phobic video was released a few days ago including on twitter