China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

chola · Post by **chola** » 19 Apr 2019 13:57

Their carrier training center at Huludao.

chola · Post by **chola** » 19 Apr 2019 16:40

Not mil but an example of how creating a local platform (no matter how mundane) could be expanded to many roles.

The ARJ-21 is a pretty obsolete piece of work (POS) based on the 40 year MD-80/DC-8. But it is theirs and it flies so they are making business jet out of it. Once they get a domestic high-bypass turbofan, we'll be seeing mil variants.

https://twitter.com/cruisingheights/sta ... 9403627520

k.srinivasan
@cruisingheights
#ABACE19 : #COMAC's business jet version of the #ARJ21

kit · Post by **kit** » 21 Apr 2019 15:41

classic psy ops

https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlea ... 90420.aspx

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 21 Apr 2019 17:29

kit, stop posting this sort of rubbish here from some random blog. There is nothing classic to this nonsense

MeshaVishwas · Post by **MeshaVishwas** » 22 Apr 2019 18:38

siqir · Post by **siqir** » 22 Apr 2019 22:43

this rl kuhn guy hosting the show seems to have made a career just parroting chinese communist party propaganda in english

probably the most boring show on an already boring channel where only the business section shows some spark of life

cannot even bear to watch this stuff

even a guy like martin jacques appears more credible even if he is a total marxist

chola · Post by **chola** » 23 Apr 2019 16:05

The Celestial Host rained on Emperor Eleven's palade:

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 24 Apr 2019 14:07

What's up with sour faces of the Cheeni naval officers in the pic with the Indian COs, hain?

I am guessing the info provided in the propagandu did not match what was in front of their eyes.

Immaculate, kick ass equipment and smart professional men and women manning them.. does not match what the Comrade commissar said, I think..

Here are my fav, the sheer size of the P15 is awesome.. Yudhay Sarvasannadh!!

chola · Post by **chola** » 24 Apr 2019 14:22

^^^ LoL. The chini general public looks much happier to get onboard . . . and take lots of pictures. Good idea or no?

But the impression is good. Just as good as the Ayushmann/Raghavan thriller AndhaDhun currently making 300 crores on the chini box office.

Eh, they are far more accepting of us than we are of them to be perfectly honest. At least at the cultural level.

https://mobile.twitter.com/VikramMisri/ ... 3786711040

Vikram Misri
@VikramMisri
#Qingdao residents throng to visit INS Kolkata and INS Shakti - in China for the PLA Navy’s #InternationalFleetReview

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 Apr 2019 14:24

high levels of curiosity...so many ladies in line.

chola · Post by **chola** » 24 Apr 2019 14:28

Singha wrote:high levels of curiosity...so many ladies in line.

They are enticed by the manliness of our Khans and Ayushmanns. Our presence in their box office is no joke.

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 24 Apr 2019 14:44

chola wrote:
Singha wrote:high levels of curiosity...so many ladies in line.
They are enticed by the manliness of our Khans and Ayushmanns. Our presence in their box office is no joke.

Well, then there would be no disappointment, the crew seems as sharp as the boat..

chola · Post by **chola** » 24 Apr 2019 14:47

^^^ Indeed. CO Hara looks like he stepped out from a movie screen.

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 24 Apr 2019 16:23

Bloody Smart Turnout including the lonesome Fauji.
Well done Chaps.

chola · Post by **chola** » 25 Apr 2019 15:48

Interesting thread on the Varyag/Liaoning wreck:
https://twitter.com/OedoSoldier/status/ ... 6306048000

Dragon Wong
@DragonWong2024
Replying to
@OedoSoldier
TIMELINE:

• On March 3, 2002, Varyag (68% built) arrived in Dalian Port

• On April 27, 2009, Varyag entered Dalian Shipyard

• On August 21, 2009, the renovation operation officially began

• On September 25, 2012, China's first carrier, CV-16 Liaoning was commissioned

I'll add that the first J-15 landed on the refurbished russkie aviation cruiser on November 25, 2012.

It looks like they sat on the hulk for seven years -- without doubt taking it apart and studying it -- and then rebuilt the thing in three once the J-15 program matured.

kit · Post by **kit** » 25 Apr 2019 23:22

Type 055 destroyer ( cruiser )

chola · Post by **chola** » 28 Apr 2019 14:48

Some tweets:

https://twitter.com/HenriKenhmann/statu ... 3246405632

East Pendulum
@HenriKenhmann
La différence de taille entre un Type 052D, en haut, et un Type 055 qui déplace presque deux fois plus que le premier.

-------- Google translate --------

The difference in size between a Type 052D, at the top, and a Type 055 that moves (displaces) almost twice as much as the first

The 052D at 7.5K tons is the same size as our P-15A/Bs.

https://mobile.twitter.com/dafengcao/st ... 2932207616

dafeng cao
@dafengcao
JH-7As at "Mach Loop".

The JH-7/JH-7A is basically their Jaguar. The WS-9 engine it uses is a clone of the RR Spey. These aircraft were at the chini copy cat of the Brit "Mach Loop" which is a canyon used for training low level terrain hugging flying.

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 28 Apr 2019 21:29

Chinese version of Mach Loos ha? Man, these Chinese guys copy everything to the last details. Reminds me of our Engg submissions. If the original copy has a mistake and striked through a word, you would do the same.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 28 Apr 2019 22:47

https://twitter.com/RRajagopalanJNU/sta ... 9729764352

PLAAF is rotating H-6 bombers through Tibet.

siqir · Post by **siqir** » 29 Apr 2019 11:03

China’s Rocket Force boasts 100,000 men and possesses about 200 intercontinental ballistic missiles, about 300 medium-range ballistic missiles, 1,150 short-range ballistic missiles and 3,000 cruise missiles, the Youth League said.

Reuters Special Report: New missile gap leaves U.S. scrambling to counter China

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... SKCN1S11DH

chola · Post by **chola** » 29 Apr 2019 12:56

Their new carrier is undergoing replenishment tests with a Type Type 901 Fast Combat Support Vessel:

Interesting, they flooded the dry dock to park the Type 902 next to the carrier.

chola · Post by **chola** » 29 Apr 2019 13:04

Prasad wrote:https://twitter.com/RRajagopalanJNU/sta ... 9729764352

PLAAF is rotating H-6 bombers through Tibet.

I wonder what load they can carry at that altitude.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 29 Apr 2019 13:52

Well technically they don't need to be based in Tibet. They're not quick reaction aircraft anyway. They can fly out of Chengdu and launch missiles from east of burma. Its a show-of-force type deployment but it will mean we will have to take it seriously and plan for it.

chola · Post by **chola** » 29 Apr 2019 15:21

^^^ Yes, a show of force but also a bluff. The H-6 is ubiquitous around Japan and Taiwan carrying heavy loads of cruise mijjiles. But those take off from sea level. We never see them over Tibet at all, never mind with loads. There are physical reasons why not. So I'll wait until we photograph one on our borders like the Japanese Defense forces do on a daily basis (see posts above.) Otherwise, it is a bark not a bite.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 30 Apr 2019 07:44

siqir wrote:
China’s Rocket Force boasts 100,000 men and possesses about 200 intercontinental ballistic missiles, about 300 medium-range ballistic missiles, 1,150 short-range ballistic missiles and 3,000 cruise missiles, the Youth League said.
Reuters Special Report: New missile gap leaves U.S. scrambling to counter China

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... SKCN1S11DH

“INF Treaty Withdrawal by the US and its Impact on India” - C3S

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 30 Apr 2019 10:06

chola wrote:^^^ Yes, a show of force but also a bluff. The H-6 is ubiquitous around Japan and Taiwan carrying heavy loads of cruise mijjiles. But those take off from sea level. We never see them over Tibet at all, never mind with loads. There are physical reasons why not. So I'll wait until we photograph one on our borders like the Japanese Defense forces do on a daily basis (see posts above.) Otherwise, it is a bark not a bite.

Over sea there is something called common international space where aircraft can come close to each other, you can do that over land borders

chola · Post by **chola** » 30 Apr 2019 16:39

^^^ A fair point, Aditya ji. But SIGINT and threat posturing can be done parallel to the borders. We don't see them because they can't fly with load from the Tibetan Plateau.

chola · Post by **chola** » 30 Apr 2019 17:01

https://twitter.com/rajfortyseven/statu ... 6851648515

卫纳夜格@Raj
@rajfortyseven
Harbin Z-9s being exported to Argentina, Bolivia, Ghana & Kenya

Something about this sticks in my craw.

The Z-9 is a licensed copy of the Dauphin. There are many variants of this clone. And they can export it.

Why are our ToT always so restrictive? One variant onlee and no exporting. What the chini negotiated with the Frenchies on the Dauphin is actual and real "transfer of technology." They were sold this tech for perpetuity and can do what they want with it -- alter it, build endless varieties and numbers of it, sell it and in short own it.

chola · Post by **chola** » 01 May 2019 15:23

The chini navy is retiring a large number of the Type 053 frigates (replaced by over 30 Type 054As.)

Some of them will be coming to the neighborhood.

The PLAN pennants 521 and 522 will be going to Bangladesh. These are 053 H3 blocks. Bangladesh already received two H2 variants in 2014:

Former 542 was repainted a foreign pennant P625 which could be for Sri Lanka though other reports say Cambodia.

VikramA · Post by **VikramA** » 01 May 2019 21:05

https://thediplomat.com/2019/01/ponderi ... roduction/

people of BR forum read and pounder what is coming our way in 12-15 years time. report says Chinese navy is completing shipyard capable of producing 4 SSN at the same time. in 12 years time they will flood pacific with SSN's and any excess assets will be deployed to IOR

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 02 May 2019 00:51

VikramA wrote:https://thediplomat.com/2019/01/ponderi ... roduction/

people of BR forum read and pounder what is coming our way in 12-15 years time. report says Chinese navy is completing shipyard capable of producing 4 SSN at the same time. in 12 years time they will flood pacific with SSN's and any excess assets will be deployed to IOR

Par for the course for big dog armament programs, for example the US was pumping out similar number of Los Angeles Class SSN every year at its peak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_L ... submarines

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 02 May 2019 03:21

4 SSN's while impressive is not actually that high a number given how many SSN's China needs to modernize its Navy. The US yards have a capacity of around 3+1 even at this moment (3 SSN's a year within current investment profile with 1 additional that is possible if OEMs invest more to modernize). The FY20 defense budget actually moves them up to 3 Virginia buys a year so those would be delivered in the same fiscal year, down the road. There are also plans to deliver 2 SSN's and 1 SSBN in the same year. Part of this is to recapitalize capability that is outgoing because the LA class was procured at such high numbers but part of it is also to cover the deficit in SSN's in particular because the US virtually took a submarine buying holiday in the 90s.

China probably needs to crank out SSN's at 5-8 a year to be able to catch up in quantity given its global ambitions.

chola · Post by **chola** » 02 May 2019 13:38

That factory is a new capacity on top of what they have now and since they ape the Yoo Ess relentlessly, they'll likely end up with a SSN dominant fleet?

For us, the danger is not chini-crewed SSNs which I suspect that they will unlikely to have any to spare outside the Western Pacific. Not with the USN owning 60 and with more Virginias coming.

The real danger is their SSKs will be sold (or gifted) to every tinpot around the IOR as SSNs begin to form the bulk of the PLAN's sub fleet. Pakiland (of course) and Bangladesh already have chini subs in service or on order. Thailand too.

chola · Post by **chola** » 02 May 2019 15:45

We predicted in this thread that with Trump's trade war clobbering their export engine, the chicoms needed go to their MIC for jobs.

It is now borne out by the market.

https://www.scmp.com/business/china-bus ... -trade-war

Corporate China hit by worst earnings on record in 2018, as trade war bite

Technology among sectors worst hit, but construction materials, defence make gains

...

Military enterprises were also booming, with the industry’s profit rising 20 per cent in 2018. China’s defence budget for 2019 increased by 82.9 billion yuan to 1.19 trillion yuan, an acceleration over the 62.6 billion yuan increase in 2018.

Analysts said they expected the sector to benefit from a relaxation in regulation by Beijing meant to spur private investment in defence and deepen reforms in state-owned enterprises.

“Mobilising private capital to develop advanced technologies for potential military use can help modernise the sector, ” said Shen Fancheng, an analyst with Shenzhen-listed China Great Wall Securities.

“Developing military technology with self-owned intellectual property rights has a particular significance against the backdrop of the US-China trade war,” he said, recommending that investors focus on Changsha Jingjia Microelectronics, which manufactures graphics chips for military use, and Shenzhen H&T Intelligent Control, which produces intelligent controller products.

Good and bad. Good because this is making Cheen more like the Soviets who depended on their MIC for jobs and we know what happened to them. Lol

Bad because we will see even more ships and aircraft as they crank up to employ people.

A particularly big disadvantage for us is if their private sector gets a bigger and bigger share of their MIC while we keep ours nearly all PSU. The private sector involvement will lead to efficiency and innovation with firms pitching prototypes from their own funds -- ala the FC-1, FC-31 and CH-4/5 drones sold all over the Middle East.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 02 May 2019 16:26

^the line between psu and pvt is very blurred in the field of defence globally, In case of china its even more. Remember how lianoing was tugged for a hotel

chola · Post by **chola** » 05 May 2019 14:25

It looks like their CATOBAR is taking shape in Shanghai. The dock(?) and adjoining facility are new. It seems they are building out a new section of the yard for carriers. It is owned by CSSC, a SOE (state operated enterprise). Their first homegrown carrier was built at an existing dock in Dalian which belongs to another chini psu, CSIC.

https://twitter.com/RupprechtDeino/stat ... 1161439235

@Rupprecht_A
@RupprechtDeino
Another update at Shanghai's Jiangnan Shipyard showing the Type 003 carrier under construction.

Is it me or is it indeed the first time we see something that looks like a bow of a carrier on the left?

The choice of assembly site is fascinating too. It is not directly connected to water. They are dredging their way to the sea.
https://twitter.com/RupprechtDeino/stat ... 4151279616

@Rupprecht_A
@RupprechtDeino
Update to this post concern. the dredging activities: "A dredging ship had been working hard from April to May, deepening the river bed next to exit point of the new harbour basin for aircraft carrier 003. Track of dredger from 4/4-1/5/2019" via Icloo/PDF

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 May 2019 16:01

every large defence vendor around the world - the american titans , EADS, BAE, Thales, Saab defence, Sukhoi, Uralzavod are quasi govt type of enterprises and their only clients are home govts and export govts.
the NASA and ESA are also quasi govt.

govt ownership in itself is not a surety of bad performance if enough autonomy is given , and management is performance driven.

tandav · Post by **tandav** » 05 May 2019 16:36

Just a data point that I feel is important... I keep getting WhatsApp fwds with TikTok videos. Most of the videos are by Chinese and some videos are from Indians (apparently India is the second largest user of TikTok after China). I personally find level of creativity and artistry of Chinese origin videos far exceed those originating out of India. The Chinese videos showcase feats of great deterity, talent, improvisation, interesting machines and superlative performance. Whereas Indian videos are typically showcasing people making a fool of themselves for entertainment.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 05 May 2019 17:11

tandav wrote:Just a data point that I feel is important... I keep getting WhatsApp fwds with TikTok videos. Most of the videos are by Chinese and some videos are from Indians (apparently India is the second largest user of TikTok after China). I personally find level of creativity and artistry of Chinese origin videos far exceed those originating out of India. The Chinese videos showcase feats of great deterity, talent, improvisation, interesting machines and superlative performance. Whereas Indian videos are typically showcasing people making a fool of themselves for entertainment.

Most of the videos of chinese origin are considered staged and their popularity is manufactured. Similar allegations exist for lots of Russian origin online videos. Indians are free people who can make an ass of themselves and is under no obligation to impress or entertain you or the world by being circus freaks. As is the case with most other mature countries.

So here is a warning: The entire premise on which TikTok was banned by GoI was that it was being used for chinese propaganda. Dont bring TikTok clap trap into BRF and make such sweeping generalizations.

chola · Post by **chola** » 06 May 2019 14:59

^^^ Some of that stuff is real. Cheen has a pretty outrageous entertainment industry designed to keep 1.2B people from rioting out of boredom. Think about this: Avengers' Endgame will gross over $600M in Cheen during the midst of a trade war with the Yoo Ess. Staid commie propaganda just can't do the trick. Andhadhun made 300 crores (over $40m) which is 3 times what it made in India.

You can find out a lot about Cheen society through its video platforms. Wall Street and the MNCs use them to tap the chini market.

Now in keeping with this thread, the commies are deadly afraid that Cheen is becoming a soft and effeminate nation that is partially created by its acceptance of foreign cultural imports, especially from Korea.

https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/pajp ... male-youth

There are also a lot of homosexuality now being revealed on the less formal internet entertainment system unlike over-airwaves traditional television.

All this along with the one child policy leading to spoiled little emperors contribute to a remarkably weak recruiting population for soldiers.