2019 General Elections News and Discussion

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 May 2019 20:10

Twist in the tale: Now 121 DU professors write letter extending their support to PM Modi over his remarks on Rajiv Gandhi

Twist in the tale: Now 121 DU professors write letter extending their support to PM Modi over his remarks on Rajiv Gandhi

MAY 7, 2019

Earlier in the day, Sam Pitroda, Congress leader, had shared a letter by DU professors where they had condemned PM Modi's remarks on Rajiv Gandhi. However, later on, some of the teachers had denied signing any such letter.

Hours after Congress put up a letter where over 200 Delhi University (DU) Professors had allegedly condemned PM Modi’s ‘Bhrashtachari no 1’ comment against Bofors scam accused Rajiv Gandhi, another list has come out where the DU professors have backed PM Modi’s statement.

According to Republic TV, as many as 121 DU professors have signed a letter condemning Congress for addressing PM Modi in the foulest language on a daily basis.

In the letter, the professors express their concern over the ‘anti-historical’ narrative Congress is trying to set that Rajiv Gandhi’s tenure cannot be critically analysed. They condemn how certain DU professors don’t want anyone to point fingers at Rajiv Gandhi while referring to the incumbent PM in a foul language.

The professors mention that the fact that Jawaharlal Nehru, his daughter Indira and his grandson Rajiv, are not beyond critique just because they were awarded Bharat Ratna. Especially about his role in the Bofors scam and 1984 anti-Sikh riots. They further add that they fully support Narendra Modi in bringing to fore the corruption cases during Rajiv Gandhi’s tenure.

The scathing letter further reads, “‘Bofors deal’ became a symbol of official corruption; it initiated a trend which had consistently been followed by Congress-led governments. Scandals like 2G, Coalgate, CWG, and now Scorpene Submarine scandal directly involving Rahul Gandhi are all the natural corollaries of Bofors tradition. The subsequent remote controlled Manmohan Singh UPA government even defroze the accounts of Gandhi’s family friend swindler Ottavio Quattrocchi.”

The letter further states Rajiv Gandhi’s public address where he justified the 1984 riots by saying that when a big tree falls, the earth shakes and condemns the officially sponsored pogrom.

The DU professors then point out Rajiv Gandhi’s alleged involvement in the escape of Warren Anderson, Union Carbide chief, right after the Bhopal gas tragedy. “Rajiv Gandhi as PM was responsible for letting Warren Anderson Chairman of Union Carbide escape justice in the Bhopal Tragedy episode. His company was responsible for the death of thousands of poor Bhopal residents- most died instantaneously and thousands later owing cancer and other diseases caused by poisonous gas leaks.”

The letter then puts out pointed questions to Congress.

Rajiv Gandhi’s role in 1984 anti-Sikh riots.
Rajiv Gandhi’s role in the escape of Quattrocchi from Bofors investigation and why was the case against him diluted.
Why was Warren Anderson allowed to escape through a special plane.
The letter is signed by Delhi University professors.

Earlier in the day, Sam Pitroda, Congress leader, had shared a letter by DU professors where they had condemned PM Modi’s remarks on Rajiv Gandhi. However, later on, some of the teachers had denied signing any such letter.

Since the election campaign gained momentum, letters are emerging from various quarters where self-proclaimed intellectuals, film artists, army veterans are reportedly urging the voters not to vote for Prime Minister Modi. However, in such letters too, signatories have later claimed that they were not aware of such letters and had simply denied signing such letters.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 May 2019 20:13

17th evening will be full chaos with results of many exit polls and surveys on TV

manthan will begin right then

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 May 2019 20:15

Will CJI-ji send PAPPU-ji to jail on May 10 for contempt of the court?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 May 2019 20:18

I think Subramaniam Swamy should be appointed VC of Delhi Uty and clean up the environment.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 May 2019 20:23

Muppalla wrote:
vijayk wrote:BJP Satta Bazar

Congress Satta Bazar
Can someone explain. If the betting cost is more means probability of happening is less?

its just illegal betting networks.
The hope is since money is involved it can be used to gauge public sentiment.
If that is so, depend on it. Pitroda will find a way to skew it towards Congress.
He is now the Rasputin of Congress.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 May 2019 20:26

Singha wrote:so its a picture of the crowdsourced pool of punters , their own hopes/info from moles/risk taking appetite over hopefully a large set of punters.
the risk appetite of punters will be across a spectrum and probably form a bell curve in the middle - moderate risk, moderate reward.

so can this be called 'street sentiment'

problem is this satta bazaar is spread not uniformly across the country but in some pockets where people are cash rich and like to make large bets.
but pro is these people with money on the line will be actively tapped into the networks of political workers and getting news from state level how the big bosses feel after collating reports from underlings.

maybe if each state had its own legalized market like UK has , then it would be more reliable.

More importantly it breaks the illegal Dawood Ibrahim betting rackets.
So should be looked at that angle.

Sumair · Post by **Sumair** » 07 May 2019 20:31

Supratik wrote:In 5th phase TMC has done well in WB. Neck to neck between BJP and TMC. Last 2 phases will determine who will get larger no of seats but TMC has advantage. Even if BJP gets less seats it will be incredible given that the party had no base even a few years back. Will set up 2021 nicely. The hardest part will be to get a CM candidate.

Saurav Ganguly?!

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 May 2019 20:38

People pontificating over Modi's Rajiv statement as desperate ... The goal of this election is to reduce CON tally to < 44 and show the CON party eco-system to give up on foreign agents. So no walkover ... Not an inch in Punjab and Delhi ... Improve Akalis/Delhi count. Don't let one seat extra win for Italians

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 May 2019 20:44

Sumair wrote:
Supratik wrote:In 5th phase TMC has done well in WB. Neck to neck between BJP and TMC. Last 2 phases will determine who will get larger no of seats but TMC has advantage. Even if BJP gets less seats it will be incredible given that the party had no base even a few years back. Will set up 2021 nicely. The hardest part will be to get a CM candidate.
Saurav Ganguly?!

If BJP gets more than 12 seats there will be exodus out of TMC on 24th May.
#Jihadidi has a choice go for polls or sit in Opposition.

Or governor's rule if she waffles or leads to violence

Can't have a border state with such people in charge.

Sumair, You think CM face is a cricketer?
What is his political experience?

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 07 May 2019 20:58

did needs to be taken up to task pretty quickly for the existence of Indian state. Call me paranoid, but she's by feedin Beedis she's threatening the Indian state. We must not forget It was Beedis who fled India and were very active on Direct Action day. It's another thing that Karma got themselves like it is getting to Ahmeddiyas. Those guys coming back to India (not just rohingyas) will furhter compound the problem of mass conversions that has happened in NE. For the sake of India, Didi has to go, one way or another.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 07 May 2019 20:59

must watch movie for IB folks: J Edgar. They may avoid the homo part, upto them, but the dirty files of politicians needs to be put by folks like Doval who can then put them in their right place.

Snehashis · Post by **Snehashis** » 07 May 2019 21:02

Public reaction after Narendra Modi's "Bhrashtachari No.1" comment on Rajiv Gandhi

Statutory Warning : Do not watch this video if you are a Congress supporter.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 07 May 2019 21:06

ArjunPandit wrote:must watch movie for IB folks: J Edgar. They may avoid the homo part, upto them, but the dirty files of politicians needs to be put by folks like Doval who can then put them in their right place.

No he may not! Shree Doval's is in an appointed post and he serves because of the confidence of a politician, the PM. If he has found any wrong doing, he has to follow due process of law, not keep secret files and "put them in their right place".

What you are saying is illegal and is a criminal offense - blackmailing and extortion. Even suggesting that Shree Doval (who has been very rule-based all his career) do that and undercut the constitution is not cool.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 07 May 2019 21:08

Snehashis video no workee

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 May 2019 21:13

Karan M wrote:Snehashis video no workee

Snehashis · Post by **Snehashis** » 07 May 2019 21:16

Karan M wrote:Snehashis video no workee

Fixed it. Also Chetak posted it correctly.

ashbhee · Post by **ashbhee** » 07 May 2019 21:22

ramana wrote:I think Subramaniam Swamy should be appointed VC of Delhi Uty and clean up the environment.

What a wonderful idea. I would like him to be VC of JNU before DU.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 07 May 2019 21:39

543 wont be so gung ho if the direction was opposite. To his credit, he was first to see AAP win in the first Delhi poll (when others were giving it a low number). In fact he said they picked after office hours), only person to say NDA loosing big in Bihar (his numbers were eventually right) after first round of voting (that even Today's Chanakya got wrong in its exit poll, and everybody else). He was also the first to say BJP will be 300+ in UP in pre poll but was at 230-250 ish for BJP through out polling). He did fine in MP and Rajasthan (vote % were close, he though missed it by the error margin), but he was very wrong in Chhattisgarh. I am more worried about that modelling/methodology error getting carried over to LS poll. I trust that he would have taken corrective measures, but one can never eliminate unknown unkowns.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 07 May 2019 21:54

vijayk wrote:People pontificating over Modi's Rajiv statement as desperate ... The goal of this election is to reduce CON tally to < 44 and show the CON party eco-system to give up on foreign agents. So no walkover ... Not an inch in Punjab and Delhi ... Improve Akalis/Delhi count. Don't let one seat extra win for Italians

+1. The comment was well designed to educate new generations about false saints created by nehru family. If in this day and age they are peddling things like fake supporting letters, one can imagine what kind of brainwashing and white washing would have been done when they had absolute control in first four decades. I thought that I knew everything about nehru family atrocities but still learned more in last couple of days. Anything to increase awareness.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 May 2019 22:04

ramana wrote:
Sumair wrote: Saurav Ganguly?!

If BJP gets more than 12 seats there will be exodus out of TMC on 24th May.
Jihadidi has a choice go for polls or sit in Opposition.

Or governo's rule if she waffles or leads to violence

Can't have a border state with such people in charge.

Sumair, You think CM face is a cricketer?
What is his political experience?

what if he takes his shirt off in the state assembly

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 May 2019 22:05

Snehashis wrote:
Karan M wrote:Snehashis video no workee
Fixed it. Also Chetak posted it correctly.

sorry, bro.

no offense intended.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 May 2019 22:11

hnair wrote:
ArjunPandit wrote:must watch movie for IB folks: J Edgar. They may avoid the homo part, upto them, but the dirty files of politicians needs to be put by folks like Doval who can then put them in their right place.
No he may not! Shree Doval's is in an appointed post and he serves because of the confidence of a politician, the PM. If he has found any wrong doing, he has to follow due process of law, not keep secret files and "put them in their right place".

What you are saying is illegal and is a criminal offense - blackmailing and extortion. Even suggesting that Shree Doval (who has been very rule-based all his career) do that and undercut the constitution is not cool.

Also watch Dovalji in his presentation at a uty, which is linked in Youtube, and he very clearly says he follows the law to the letter and spirit.

Hoover on the other hand was blackmailer.

No comparison.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 07 May 2019 22:12

chetak wrote: Saurav Ganguly?

what if he takes his shirt off in the state assembly

It will be well worth it.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 07 May 2019 22:12

From Chintamani, an indicator of #1 having an early bhrashtacharing start:
story from 1977

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 07 May 2019 22:13

fanne wrote:543 wont be so gung ho if the direction was opposite. To his credit, he was first to see AAP win in the first Delhi poll (when others were giving it a low number). In fact he said they picked after office hours), only person to say NDA loosing big in Bihar (his numbers were eventually right) after first round of voting (that even Today's Chanakya got wrong in its exit poll, and everybody else). He was also the first to say BJP will be 300+ in UP in pre poll but was at 230-250 ish for BJP through out polling). He did fine in MP and Rajasthan (vote % were close, he though missed it by the error margin), but he was very wrong in Chhattisgarh. I am more worried about that modelling/methodology error getting carried over to LS poll. I trust that he would have taken corrective measures, but one can never eliminate unknown unkowns.

Chattisgarh was an Ajit Jogi peeling off anti incumbency vote. That said, Chattisgarh CM was very harsh on Modi yesterday saying since he doesn’t sleep much, then Modi has an unstable mind. Effectively calling him retarded. I watched him speaking Republic TV and realized that he would have kept quiet if there was widespread support for the BJP in Chattisgarh. Notice Kamal Nath was relatively quiet next door in MP where Modi enjoys broad support. IMHO, Chattisgarh looks like a disaster for BJP. I don’t recall any Modi or Amit Shah massive rallies recently in Bilaspur.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 May 2019 22:13

ashbhee wrote:
ramana wrote:I think Subramaniam Swamy should be appointed VC of Delhi Uty and clean up the environment.
What a wonderful idea. I would like him to be VC of JNU before DU.

Current VC of JNU is doing a good job. He has started Augean stables clean up.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 07 May 2019 22:20

Suraj wrote:From Chintamani, an indicator of #1 having an early bhrashtacharing start:
story from 1977

Thanks, Suraj. A lot of major universities in the US have archives of major world newspapers dating back many decades. They used to be on microfiche, but everyone has gone on line. Unfortunately you have to be part of the particular university system to get access. I think some BRF members who are in academia may be able to dig stuff up relatively easy.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 07 May 2019 22:21

While you guys are stuck at Dada, I am thinking about Sunny Paji. Would be fun to have him shout down Mamta banarjee. BJP needs to get him a good script writer, and would be good to have a shoutathon between him and rahul gandhi. Would be good to distract himn.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 May 2019 22:24

Mort Walker wrote:
fanne wrote:543 wont be so gung ho if the direction was opposite. To his credit, he was first to see AAP win in the first Delhi poll (when others were giving it a low number). In fact he said they picked after office hours), only person to say NDA loosing big in Bihar (his numbers were eventually right) after first round of voting (that even Today's Chanakya got wrong in its exit poll, and everybody else). He was also the first to say BJP will be 300+ in UP in pre poll but was at 230-250 ish for BJP through out polling). He did fine in MP and Rajasthan (vote % were close, he though missed it by the error margin), but he was very wrong in Chhattisgarh. I am more worried about that modelling/methodology error getting carried over to LS poll. I trust that he would have taken corrective measures, but one can never eliminate unknown unkowns.
Chattisgarh was an Ajit Jogi peeling off anti incumbency vote. That said, Chattisgarh CM was very harsh on Modi yesterday saying since he doesn’t sleep much, then Modi has an unstable mind. Effectively calling him retarded. I watched him speaking Republic TV and realized that he would have kept quiet if there was widespread support for the BJP in Chattisgarh. Notice Kamal Nath was relatively quiet next door in MP where Modi enjoys broad support. IMHO, Chattisgarh looks like a disaster for BJP. I don’t recall any Modi or Amit Shah massive rallies recently in Bilaspur.

November elections in CG were different. the results even surprised Congress who did not have a CM face till after the results.
There was anti-incumbency as Raman Singh was the CM for three terms. However during his term the face of CG was changed and the demographics shifted.

Baghel is out of his depth if he thinks its his charisma that got them power.

Kamalnath is quiet for he knows that Shivraj Chauhan can upset the apple cart right after the 23 May results.
He even poached the lone BSP MLA and got BMW ire in UP which means he knows UP is lost for Congress.

Still BJP will get their 5 to 6 MP seats from CG out of total 10. So its not a wash out as press makes it out.
if they get 6 seats can expect a change.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 May 2019 22:26

convoy with WB bjp chief and HBS has been stoned by TMC goons some of whom waved guns before disappearing.

police mute spectators.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 07 May 2019 22:26

ashbhee wrote:
ramana wrote:I think Subramaniam Swamy should be appointed VC of Delhi Uty and clean up the environment.
What a wonderful idea. I would like him to be VC of JNU before DU.

VC is below Shri Swamy's qualification. Swamy should be given Education/HR/culture combined ministry with charter of cleaning up education and culture in India. He and Rajiv Malhotra make good pair to take psec crowd both legally and intellectually head on, based on what I gather from comments and opinions in their interviews with each other. Next term he should be seriously given in the cabinet and challenge him on some thing and put his energy and intellect for good use of the country.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 07 May 2019 22:26

It's probably on most peoples' blind spot, but the the lout Will Dalrymple has a very active ongoing whitewashing of Babur in process on Twitter over the last few days. His messaging is polished with sufficient deniability embedded ("it's not whitewashing, here I've thrown in some bad words about him") as well as overt political messaging focused on setting a message about the Babri Mosque:
https://twitter.com/DalrympleWill/statu ... 5369400322
"If you mention Babur on twitter a million sanghis pop up to say Babur was a terrorist jihadi... In fact he never uses the word Allah, prefering the term Tengri- the sky deity worshipped by steppe peoples. According to his biographer Stephen Dale, "Babur scarcely refers to Islam.""
I've screenshot the post in case he edits or deletes it.

Why is this important in this thread ? Two reasons:
a) Active preparations are being made against further forward movement on the Ayodhya structure
b) a foreigner is actively involved in political messaging while on a visa

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 May 2019 22:28

ArjunPandit wrote:While you guys are stuck at Dada, I am thinking about Sunny Paji. Would be fun to have him shout down Mamta banarjee. BJP needs to get him a good script writer, and would be good to have a shoutathon between him and rahul gandhi. Would be good to distract himn.

If you are talking about Sunny Deol, then he is turning out to be a dud.
When a reporter asked him about Balakot strike he drew a blank and sounded clueless.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 07 May 2019 22:30

ramana wrote:
ArjunPandit wrote:While you guys are stuck at Dada, I am thinking about Sunny Paji. Would be fun to have him shout down Mamta banarjee. BJP needs to get him a good script writer, and would be good to have a shoutathon between him and rahul gandhi. Would be good to distract himn.
If you are talking about Sunny Deol, then he is turning out to be a dud.
When a reporter asked him about Balakot strike he drew a blank and sounded clueless.

yes i saw that interview. That's why I said a script writer.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 May 2019 22:32

ShyamSP wrote:
ashbhee wrote:
What a wonderful idea. I would like him to be VC of JNU before DU.
VC is below Shri Swamy's qualification. Swamy should be given Education/HR/culture combined ministry with charter of cleaning up education and culture in India. He and Rajiv Malhotra make good pair to take psec crowd both legally and intellectually head on, based on what I gather from comments and opinions in their interviews with each other. Next term he should be seriously given in the cabinet and challenge him on some thing and put his energy and intellect for good use of the country.

Do you seriously think so?
SuSwa and RM are the biggest ego maniacs and worse have an Iagoain streak.
As for the last line time and again SuSwa has been found wanting.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 May 2019 22:38

Suraj wrote:From Chintamani, an indicator of #1 having an early bhrashtacharing start:
story from 1977

A few remarkable things about that report. its by AP which is Associated Press and headlined from Delhi.
Its about the Boeing bribe for the 3 Boeing 737s purchased for Indian Airlines.
the amount is close to a $1M with exchange rate in those days of 11 rupees to the $.
Off course this pales in comparison to the Bofors a few years later.
To its interesting that a Uty of Michigan school paper decided to print the story in its newspaper in the early 1980s.
U Mich, Ann Arbor has a very good Political Science department.

Wonder who were on the editorial board and served as advisers to the paper at that time?

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 07 May 2019 22:41

Suraj wrote:It's probably on most peoples' blind spot, but the the lout Will Dalrymple has a very active ongoing whitewashing of Babur in process on Twitter over the last few days. His messaging is polished with sufficient deniability embedded ("it's not whitewashing, here I've thrown in some bad words about him") as well as overt political messaging focused on setting a message about the Babri Mosque:
https://twitter.com/DalrympleWill/statu ... 5369400322
"If you mention Babur on twitter a million sanghis pop up to say Babur was a terrorist jihadi... In fact he never uses the word Allah, prefering the term Tengri- the sky deity worshipped by steppe peoples. According to his biographer Stephen Dale, "Babur scarcely refers to Islam.""
I've screenshot the post in case he edits or deletes it.

Why is this important in this thread ? Two reasons:
a) Active preparations are being made against further forward movement on the Ayodhya structure
b) a foreigner is actively involved in political messaging while on a visa

Which is why TrueIndology was booted off Twitter , precisely because he was directly countering these worms.
Anyway we now have his example & inspiration to counter these distorians in our own individual way.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 07 May 2019 22:42

mmasand wrote:
abhijitm wrote:I am not sure but it seems this CJI thing is about 23 May. If NDA gets majority then expect frivolous lawsuits and petitions. These elements are preparing for the war. I hope Modi is closely watching and preparing his moves.
Makes for good entertainment value like the verdict on VVPAT's today. I'd rather see these people in courts than screaming from a rooftop :democracy is being subverted!

It doesn't matter what they say, eventually the Lutyens eco-system will lose steam and fizzle out.

Regardless of who is requesting it, it is good to have reliable cross-verification of voting for the good of country. EC original argument of 1 vvpat per constituency is ridiculous and at the same time 50% politicians requesting may be too much for time considerations to declare winner. When all EVMs are equipped with VVPATs, why not count them all. You can have some statistically minimum verification to declare the winners. In the background cross-verify most of the machines until the winner difference is too high. I don't recall exact number but 15-25% verification provides statistical reliability as per one news article I read. There may be formal academic studies of what are minimum required percentage for cross-verification. It should be based on analytical studies instead of, as it turned out, political slug-fest among EC, SC, and politicians.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 May 2019 22:47

I would suggest to acquire a Gutrgoo account and post the original idea there and link it in Twitter.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 07 May 2019 23:01

Snehashis wrote:
Karan M wrote:Snehashis video no workee
Fixed it. Also Chetak posted it correctly.

Amazing clarity of thought. The white mustache gentleman even brought up Nagarwala case, which most Indians are too young to know about.