Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 08 May 2019 22:46

Karan M wrote:Even Sameer Joshi indicates its this gent.

Not anymore. Now his guess is that it is S/L Hasan Siddique, who, unlike "Nouman", has not been seen since Feb 27 on media. Nouman has been seen with the Pak CAS and in their Pak day video.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 08 May 2019 22:53

That lady seems to have some good sources. When the comms blackout gets removed more details will tumble out. Remember pakis corroborated how badly they did in kargil only when Kaiser tufail write his piece.

All in all total Indian propaganda that 300 died in strikes stands exposed*!!!

*Reports indicate only 299 died due to air strikes and one had already died one hour before strikes due to natural causes.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 08 May 2019 23:41

Shukla getting takleef over the lady's reporting!

He is engaging her on twitter!!!

https://twitter.com/ajaishukla/status/1 ... 9583408128 ---> Not an ounce of proof presented to support this third-hand story, which seems to be full of holes. Why is it coming out 70 days after the strike, in the middle of the Indian elections? Nor has the author visited Balakot. I think we’ve found the BJP’s “ Italian connection”!!

https://twitter.com/ajaishukla/status/1 ... 9181312000 ---> Don't dodge the questions that discredit your story:

1. What is ur story based on, other than "sources"? Ok, so uv done a source based story, but where are your sources placed?

2. Did you visit Balakote, as many journalists have?

3. Why this wisdom 70 days after the strike?

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 09 May 2019 00:18

Rishi wrote:
Karan M wrote:Even Sameer Joshi indicates its this gent.
Not anymore. Now his guess is that it is S/L Hasan Siddique, who, unlike "Nouman", has not been seen since Feb 27 on media. Nouman has been seen with the Pak CAS and in their Pak day video.

Ex IAF personal have been saying it was F16D twin seater, both Hassan Siddique and Shahbaz Haider are missing since 27 Feb 19.
Ghafoora on 27 morning claimed Mig 21 and Su30 and said 1 captured 1 dead and 1 more pilot in hospital. I think thats why Hassan Siddiqui emotional outburst was captured immediately after the strike. Remember eyewitness all say 2 parachutes when the F16 is coming down, the Mig 21 is 1 full minute after this and about 8km away so that video and parachute is seperate. See also pg 31 of mig 21 shoots down f16 video

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 09 May 2019 02:09

Shahbaz is supposedly in the US in Alabama (AFB Maxwell, Montgomery) doing some course (as per Pak source on AFM forum who even posted a photo before deleting it). FWIW.

Sameer Joshi is supposed to be writing a follow up article on Medium apparently.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 09 May 2019 02:46

He's become a disgrace.

Rakesh wrote:Shukla getting takleef over the lady's reporting! He is engaging her on twitter!!!

https://twitter.com/ajaishukla/status/1 ... 9583408128 ---> Not an ounce of proof presented to support this third-hand story, which seems to be full of holes. Why is it coming out 70 days after the strike, in the middle of the Indian elections? Nor has the author visited Balakot. I think we’ve found the BJP’s “ Italian connection”!!

https://twitter.com/ajaishukla/status/1 ... 9181312000 ---> Don't dodge the questions that discredit your story:

1. What is ur story based on, other than "sources"? Ok, so uv done a source based story, but where are your sources placed?

2. Did you visit Balakote, as many journalists have?

3. Why this wisdom 70 days after the strike?

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 09 May 2019 02:47

Rishi wrote:
Karan M wrote:Even Sameer Joshi indicates its this gent.
Not anymore. Now his guess is that it is S/L Hasan Siddique, who, unlike "Nouman", has not been seen since Feb 27 on media. Nouman has been seen with the Pak CAS and in their Pak day video.

Looks like i mixed up the names. Thanks for the correction.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 09 May 2019 02:50

Karan M wrote:He's become a disgrace.

Shooklaw is going to get ripped apart on Twitter. He is asking her how she can write an article quoting anonymous sources when he himslef must have done it dozens of times. She has already responded challenging him on this point.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 09 May 2019 03:02

Since it was a twin seater F-16 that went down, I would venture a guess and state that particular F-16 was piloted by Wing Commander Hyder Shahbaz Ali and with Squadron Leader Hasan Siddiqui as the WSO. They were shot down by Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman and ejected. Due to the blast fragmentation warhead on the R-73 CCM, Squadron Leader Hasan Siddiqui was grievously injured and later died. Wing Commander Hyder Shahbaz Ali was lynched upon landing. Based on his picture, I do not see why the villagers would not lynch him. With that kind of beard (and a helmet to boot), it would be impossible to differentiate between him and a Sikh pilot.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 09 May 2019 03:05

nachiket wrote:
Karan M wrote:He's become a disgrace.
Shooklaw is going to get ripped apart on Twitter. He is asking her how she can write an article quoting anonymous sources when he himslef must have done it dozens of times. She has already responded challenging him on this point.

All his Rafale articles are full of anonymous sources. Classic case of pot calling the kettle black.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 09 May 2019 03:30

nachiket wrote:
Karan M wrote:He's become a disgrace.
Shooklaw is going to get ripped apart on Twitter. He is asking her how she can write an article quoting anonymous sources when he himslef must have done it dozens of times. She has already responded challenging him on this point.

He deserves it. I hope he gets some lessons in humility.

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 09 May 2019 05:42

+1000

I cringe every time Shooklaw comes on TV and acts as if he's the smartest person in the room (much like KC Singh of IFS). He's a decent reporter but fails as soon as he starts spouting his biased opinions.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 09 May 2019 06:59

His hatred of the current GOI due to his personal interests being affected has driven him nuts.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 09 May 2019 07:04

https://issuu.com/spguide/docs/sp_s_aviation_3-2019

Air Marshal SBP Sinha (rtd) explains the Balakot Strike in detail, same gent as in Nitin Gokhales video. Also mentions the BDA done thereafter. States high resolution imagery of 30-cm class can only provide the right details. States IAF imagery showed pin hole entry of multiple Spice bombs, burn marks on edges of targeted buildings and also freshly dug up ground for mass graves. 300 phones active, all disappeared.
12x Mirage 2000s and 6x in strike config.

Also states the 2 F-16 pilots did not evade capture by locals and hence injured due to mob frenzy. Abhi evaded capture for 45 mins and hence Pak Army was present by the time he was captured.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 May 2019 09:07

Also read the article by Air Marshal Anil Chopra on M2K

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 09 May 2019 11:13

Karan M wrote:https://issuu.com/spguide/docs/sp_s_aviation_3-2019

Air Marshal SBP Sinha (rtd) explains the Balakot Strike in detail, same gent as in Nitin Gokhales video. Also mentions the BDA done thereafter. States high resolution imagery of 30-cm class can only provide the right details. States IAF imagery showed pin hole entry of multiple Spice bombs, burn marks on edges of targeted buildings and also freshly dug up ground for mass graves. 300 phones active, all disappeared.
12x Mirage 2000s and 6x in strike config.

Also states the 2 F-16 pilots did not evade capture by locals and hence injured due to mob frenzy. Abhi evaded capture for 45 mins and hence Pak Army was present by the time he was captured.

This totally makes sense and hence why Shahbaz Haider was also brought by the Pakistan Army to the place where Abhi was captured.

MeshaVishwas · Post by **MeshaVishwas** » 09 May 2019 11:44

Fakeer Shook-Law targeting the journalist who reported the Jaba Top post strike cover up by the uniformed Jehadis.
Despicable prick this person.

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 09 May 2019 13:26

Rakesh wrote:Shukla getting takleef over the lady's reporting! He is engaging her on twitter!!!

https://twitter.com/ajaishukla/status/1 ... 9583408128 ---> Not an ounce of proof presented to support this third-hand story, which seems to be full of holes. Why is it coming out 70 days after the strike, in the middle of the Indian elections? Nor has the author visited Balakot. I think we’ve found the BJP’s “ Italian connection”!!

https://twitter.com/ajaishukla/status/1 ... 9181312000 ---> Don't dodge the questions that discredit your story:

1. What is ur story based on, other than "sources"? Ok, so uv done a source based story, but where are your sources placed?

2. Did you visit Balakote, as many journalists have?

3. Why this wisdom 70 days after the strike?

Just as an FYI

The same lady actual confirmed the strike and damage the same day we lost the mig. He sources are local buearcrats and administrators

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 09 May 2019 14:13

Rishi wrote:Shahbaz is supposedly in the US in Alabama (AFB Maxwell, Montgomery) doing some course (as per Pak source on AFM forum who even posted a photo before deleting it). FWIW.

Sameer Joshi is supposed to be writing a follow up article on Medium apparently.

That was again posted by an unknown Paki as soon as his name came up, if we was in the US as doing some Government to Government course, it have publically available documents and what course can a Senior Pilot PAF go to the US for? It was all panic reaction.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 09 May 2019 20:17

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1126360841270349825 ---> I have it from independent sources of my own, that terrorist facilities were indeed struck at Balakot. It is obvious as day that the Pakistanis took their time to clear up the site and were 'ready' to take journalists there only after they were sanguine about what they could see.

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1126361225669955584 ---> Balakot is being made a contentious issue not because of the elections, but because of what happened the next day i.e. February 27. The downing of a F-16 by a MiG-21 is not something that was palatable to an entire group of people. So the agenda is to show the IAF in poor light.

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1126362200140967936 ----> Denying Balakot makes it easier to deny that a PAF F-16 also went down the next day. It's as simple as that.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 10 May 2019 00:38

Karan Thappar and Ajai Shukla went on a upfront with Karan and piled on the Italian journalist.

You can search for it, it's on YouTube, am not going to link to it.

Ajai Shukla's biggest takleef is that she said 35 in March and 170 in May. Also Pakistan army denied and took journalist there. Another worthy said that "where are the funerals" (where were the funerals after kargil?)

In the next show, they will claim no terror groups operate out of Pakistan and it's not clear if Kasab is Pakistani. Has anyone seen Kasab's mijjile and certified it was cut? Zardari denied he was Pakistani.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 10 May 2019 00:47

Oh shes tearing thapar and shooklaw a new one on tuitter
https://twitter.com/francescam63/status ... 3766252544

https://twitter.com/francescam63/status ... 9908620288

FrancescaMarino
@francescam63
Karan Thapar had given me his word to keep Ajai Shukla, who reached the bottom attacking me on sexist and insulting bases, out of there. He lied, I canceled my slot.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 10 May 2019 00:51

They will do anything to malign the country and prop up the enemy's narrative.

Why? Because BJP is in power. Hatred for a political party transcends love for country!

So who cares if you malign the Indian Air Force that conducted the strike!!!

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 10 May 2019 00:59

Rakesh wrote:They will do anything to malign the country and prop up the enemy's narrative.

Why? Because BJP is in power. Hatred for a political party transcends love for country!

So who cares if you malign the Indian Air Force that conducted the strike!!!

In Shooklaw's case it is hatred for BJP driving this. But Thapar has always been a paki lover. Even when INC was in power.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 10 May 2019 01:04

He was classmates with Benazir, Romila Thapar of Mughal love fame is a relation. Of course, a paki lover.

krishna_krishna · Post by **krishna_krishna** » 10 May 2019 07:13

Karan M wrote:He was classmates with Benazir, Romila Thapar of Mughal love fame is a relation. Of course, a paki lover.

I avoid commenting on someone's pedigree, but hate to mention his father was none other than General Pran Nath Thapar who was born in La whore, and holds the title of being only army chief to loose a battle in a war (the Chinese debacle in 62). Shameless fellow went on to sucking Nehru even after this disgrace and resignation from the IA chief position begged on and took role of Ambassador to Afghanistan for five long years. Any self respecting IA general I know worth his salt would have resigned. Thapar has still elitist entightlement issues common with luteyns, and he being born in cashmere takes him to another level.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 10 May 2019 07:46

krishna_krishna wrote:
Karan M wrote:He was classmates with Benazir, Romila Thapar of Mughal love fame is a relation. Of course, a paki lover.
I avoid commenting on someone's pedigree, but hate to mention his father was none other than General Pran Nath Thapar who was born in La whore, and holds the title of being only army chief to loose a battle in a war (the Chinese debacle in 62). Shameless fellow went on to sucking Nehru even after this disgrace and resignation from the IA chief position begged on and took role of Ambassador to Afghanistan for five long years. Any self respecting IA general I know worth his salt would have resigned. Thapar has still elitist entightlement issues common with luteyns, and he being born in cashmere takes him to another level.

And his Grandfather collected money for the butchers of Jallianwallah Bagh.

https://theprint.in/lutyens-league/why- ... lhi/87308/

Born in 1855, Karan Thapar’s paternal grandfather was Diwan Bahadur Kunj Behari Thapar of Lahore. He belonged to a section of the Punjabi elite that came into new wealth as commission agents for the British.

Kunj Behari Thapar was also one of four people, including Umar Hayat Khan, Chaudhary Gajjan Singh and Rai Bahadur Lal Chand, who donated Rs 1.75 lakh to the fund of Punjab governor Sir Michael O’Dwyer — the man who backed the actions of Brigadier-General Reginald Dyer during the Jallianwala Bagh massacre.

Kunj Behari Thapar was also awarded the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire in 1920 for his loyalty.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 10 May 2019 09:18

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1126360841270349825 ---> I have it from independent sources of my own, that terrorist facilities were indeed struck at Balakot. It is obvious as day that the Pakistanis took their time to clear up the site and were 'ready' to take journalists there only after they were sanguine about what they could see.

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1126361225669955584 ---> Balakot is being made a contentious issue not because of the elections, but because of what happened the next day i.e. February 27. The downing of a F-16 by a MiG-21 is not something that was palatable to an entire group of people. So the agenda is to show the IAF in poor light.

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1126362200140967936 ----> Denying Balakot makes it easier to deny that a PAF F-16 also went down the next day. It's as simple as that.

Saurav Jha, if you are watching

, you have covered the entire brouhaha in three succinct tweets. Kudos!

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 10 May 2019 10:18

Pt. Nehru humiliated Thimayya and wanted a pliant army chief thereafter. Pran Nath Thapar was connected to Nehru family via his brother in law who married Vijayalakshmi Pandit's daughter. Pran Nath Thapar's career record is mediocre. He saw the opportunity when Nehru disregarded Thimayya's professional advice.

Pran Nath Thapar was thoroughly incompetent - refer the ceremonial sword incident in the middle of war below - as was the entire army staff then.

https://www.rediff.com/news/column/why- ... 121119.htm

Had General Thorat or General Thimayya been around, things would have been different.

Karan Thapar creates alternate narratives against any successful action by the Army or anyone other than the "family coterie". He along with Pakistani Ayub Khan's son created a false narrative of Sam Maneckshaw accepting a bribe from Pakistanis to leak 1965 war plans.

Karan Thapar and Ajay Shukla are nepotist leeches who bypass meritocracy by their family and coterie connection and create false narratives to further themselves.

https://theprint.in/lutyens-league/why- ... lhi/87308/

https://www.theweek.in/theweek/leisure/ ... 2-war.html

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 10 May 2019 10:48

Wait who was classmates?

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 10 May 2019 13:14

Time to lock thread ?

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 10 May 2019 15:36

Rishi wrote:Time to lock thread ?

Don't think so.

The topic is witnessing new information coming out of late. In addition to that, this thread is also a good compendium of 'counter-narrative' being peddled. To question the IAF and by extension, the present government.

Let it remain but keep the discussion focused.

AshishA · Post by **AshishA** » 10 May 2019 18:31

----Del----

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 10 May 2019 18:32

This event will see brisk discussion for the next 2 years.

Starting with shiv aroors book and vayu Sena diwas.

Ravi Karumanchiri · Post by **Ravi Karumanchiri** » 10 May 2019 21:08

rohitvats wrote:
Rishi wrote:Time to lock thread ?
Don't think so.

The topic is witnessing new information coming out of late. In addition to that, this thread is also a good compendium of 'counter-narrative' being peddled. To question the IAF and by extension, the present government.

Let it remain but keep the discussion focused.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
IMO this thread should remain open for a long while yet. There are many things that happened that night, which are still unknown. The fact that discussion here can veer off-topic, is no reason to close ears and eyes to the emerging truth.

For example: Not much has been offered in the way of 'counter-narrative' on the WikiPedia platform, which has a dedicated page here...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Balakot_airstrike

My quick reading reveals a bunch of BS right in there; and my sense of intuition tells me who is attempting to re-write history, there, about this.

Let this thread serve as a rallying-point and organizational node for ***MULTIPLE WIKIPEDIA EDITORS/BRfites*** to take-up that challenge.

Anyone can be a WikiPedia Editor.

More Rakshaks need to be.

Read this, and see why.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Balakot_airstrike

NB: In the years to come, when journalists are tasked with writing a piece that touches-on this new responsive paradigm; they will refer to the WikiPedia article, for a "backgrounder". Let's make sure that background isn't full of holes and pockmarks and BS and mud.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 10 May 2019 22:00

shyamd wrote:The listing of Azhar is part of covert diplomacy. The powers are trying to arrange face saving for both India and TSP.
TSP will claim that Azhar has nothing to do with Pulwama.

TSP and rest of the world understand what is coming if Azhar is not designated a terrorist. I personally don’t think this is enough for GoI and GoI will have several other demands before any operational tempo is reduced.

Covert action will continue until TSP ability is degraded

First official confirmation of above GoI position
Pakistan urges India to de-escalate border tension, India says act against terror first

Pakistan has requested India to de-escalate tension along the LoC between security forces of the two countries. However, India has said de-escalation will happen only when Pakistan takes strong measures to stop terror activities.

As per a review by the Army in the aftermath of Pulwama attack and airstrikes by the Indian Air Force, based on recent activities on the Pakistani side, it was assessed that Islamabad would put in efforts to ensure skirmishes are controlled.

"Pakistan will continue with proposals of de-escalation both through military and diplomatic channels," the assessment said.

Meanwhile, the report also acknowledged that Pakistan took steps to close terror infrastructure across the LoC, but added that the real situation would be clear once the snow melts in the higher reaches. "Pakistan is forced to maintain a high level of alertness and exercise restraint on LoC," the assessment report said.

IA has cancelled exercises due to forward deployment

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 11 May 2019 05:57

Khalsa wrote:Wait who was classmates?

https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/boo ... us-and-fun

sivab · Post by **sivab** » 11 May 2019 21:35

- Some details of night before balakot strike
- Pappu plays video games a lot

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 11 May 2019 21:37

sivab wrote:
- Some details of night before balakot strike

The video is over an hour long. Can you please point to at what time within the video the discussion on Balakot happens?

sivab · Post by **sivab** » 11 May 2019 21:57

Bart S wrote:
sivab wrote:
- Some details of night before balakot strike

The video is over an hour long. Can you please point to at what time within the video the discussion on Balakot happens?

@24:50