Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 28 May 2019 15:01

But I hope DMK starts celeberating taking LS elections to heart and keep the same hate campaign, at first even all India it first created a wave for INC in 2004 and 2009 and finally people began to start inquiring about the truth, Same thing will happen in TN over time.

TKiran · Post by **TKiran** » 28 May 2019 16:09

Yagnasri wrote:There is no reason to give special status to AP as it does not give any benefit to BJP. No one is going to thank NM if he gives it. They will make Jagan a hero. Almost 3/4 years bank AP assembly even passed a resolution thanking NM for the financial benefits given and then everyone started abusing NM and BJP once they want to have some scapegoat for their failures.

There are some projects and institutions promised to AP and most of them are already started but it is taking time to build infra etc. That should be done asap. But at no point of time the works and contracts shall be given to AP Gov which continue to loot public money whoever is the CM. Other projects etc as and when required or requested by the AP Gov can be given based on merits. At no point GoI shall allow AP politicos to blackmail it or threaten it. This abusive behavior towards BJP and NM has gone too far and going on for no reason for too long.

The aim of the BJP shall be make BJP powerful in AP. Now that the Venkayya is out of picture and no longer can help TDP at the cost of BJP there is no reason for BJP to go slow in AP. It is very critical as the EJs are growing day and day and they are intelligently ( just like the lie that Jagan converted) playing the game on long term basis. Idiotic Telugus are unable to see it.

Yagnasri Garu, with respect, the reason why you are seeing the Telugus as idiots is that you are not able to see the reason for Telugus why they hate Modi.

Let me explain... YSR, though was EJ, he came to know that there was a conspiracy to split Andhra's with external forces. The conspiracy was to split the Telugu identity and make them fight each other just like Rwanda genocide. YSR opposed it and succeeded in stopping the conspiracy by winning in 2009 through sheer hardwork. He was corrupt, but those details emerged only after YSR's death. KCR had only political ambitions, not genocidal ambitions. The only people who were complicit and agreed to Telugu people genocide in Hyderabad were 1.Sonia Gandhi, Madhu yashki gowd etc from Congress 2. Sushma Swaraj from BJP.

The first thing CIA did was to eliminate YSR. They wanted quick partition of Andhra. But it was resisted by Telugus, and CIA did not make payments to Sonia Gandhi or Sushma Swaraj in time, they were furious and allowed the issue of split of Andhra to fester. KCR saw political opportunity and pitched in.

In 2013 end, Sonia Gandhi, frustrated about the non payment of CIA, went directly to USA with the bahana of "colon cancer" and made the deal. She came back with loads of money, and shared some percent with Sushma Swaraj. Sushma Swaraj agreed to co-operate with Sonia, and told Modi (who had no idea of what was all this splitting Business and subsequent plans) foolishly announced in Nizam grounds "Jai Telangana", "Jai Seemandhra" based on the advice of the senior leader Sushma Swaraj.

He was the first ever leader who uttered "Jai Telangana", "Jai Seemandhra" in Andhra Pradesh.

Entire "Seemandhra" were shocked as they had very good opinion about Modi for his development of Gujarat, they thought he will save split of the Andhra Pradesh.

They gave benefit of doubt to Modi, as he was new to national politics, and also he was only PM nominate of BJP, and doesn't have any power yet. Andhras thought BJP is not all Sushma Swaraj, but some sane people like venkayya naidu also there.

During the Rajya sabha debate the entire Andhra was glued to TV . Venkayya naidu and Arun Jaitley did try to alliviate the pain of Andhras by insisting on "we will not allow the bill to pass, if you don't give special status to Andhra Pradesh for 10years. "

Manmohan Singh on the floor of parliament promised to give the special status to Andhra for 5 years if they come back to power, as they don't have time to incorporate the clause into the bill as the 15 loksabha is ending. Venkayya naidu said "5years is too little of time, we need atleast 10years,"

That was when Andhras voted for NDA. They liked BJP.

But the original aim of CIA of genocide of Telugus in hyderabad was foiled by KCR with iron fist. He was confined to the development of Telangana and did not even step into Osmania university when Rohit vemula committed suicide. Sushma Swaraj played from behind the curtain to make Smriti Irani the false lady.

KCR developed Telangana fair. Was rewarded also in 2018.

Coming back to Andhra, it's total betrayal by BJP. They could have given special category status very easily and 5 years is already over. If their claim that CBN was corrupt, they should not have released any funds. But there's no justification for not giving the special category status. That's the reason they hate Modi.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 28 May 2019 16:21

^^^^Is this guy for real????

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 28 May 2019 16:27

I have always wondered why Telugu guys hate Modi and BJP , so much. Must be because they can lap up any stories told... unbelievable!!!

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 28 May 2019 16:29

Now we understand that why BJP is losing in certain states because such stories are peddled and the people made to believe. It's not because of any Nyay or any lack of development but these kind of fear mongering and lies spread through the likes of DMK and the likes.

The Failure of the BJP is to effectively communicate with the people. Without knowing Tamil or Telugu you cant tell the people the truth. Even if Modi comes and tells the truth in Hindi, the DMK folks on the ground can tell, Modi is abusing you...

and they will believe it. That's how it is. It's the lack of effective communication from central leadership to the common man.

Either they have to make people like Nirmala Sitharaman the BJP chief and she can effectively communicate with people. This could win the BJP the south in the upcoming elections but may fail them in the North. So there must be someone who can communicate effectively in Hindi, English, Tamil and Telugu to be the BJP head.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 28 May 2019 16:32

Kashi wrote:^^^^Is this guy for real????

Yes .
TKiran garu recently labeled his outpourings as "Ritambara Prajna" claiming that they are far above normal logic, truth or fact.He apparently gained this capacity from sustained samadhi leading to higher states of samadhi ...

So please respect the Guru ji's gyan by offering flowers & phalahara and asking for his blessings .

harish_ch · Post by **harish_ch** » 28 May 2019 17:29

https://m.imgur.com/a/Gq6Fi9J

Brother Anil (YS Jagan's BIL) is going to turn AP into an evangelical heaven pretty soon...

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 28 May 2019 17:30

uddu wrote:So there must be someone who can communicate effectively in Hindi, English, Tamil and Telugu to be the BJP head.

A reincarnated PVNR could.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 May 2019 17:39

AP as on today has one of the highest per capita income in the country. So it is well off. It has Vijayawada and Vizag, which are two major cities which can surpass Hyd in a decade or so if serious efforts are made. So what is the problem the politicos of AP have today? I think these are the reasons:

1. CBN and other politicos how are responsible for the division of the state needed some hate figure to divert people’s anger. They feared BJPmight grow in AP. Hence they created a hate figure of BJP and NM achieved two aims of stopped BJP in AP and found a scapegoat for the division.

2. So-called "intellectuals" which are good for nothing fellows without any work making a massive amount of sounds. Entire media which also full of lefties (the support naxals enjoy from AP and Telugu politicos, movie scumbags etc. is massive) and fully paid one by CBN. Telugu MSM runs on payments by politicos. They all developed a vested interest in calling for Special Status.

3. AP politicos are not keen or not inclined on industrial and commercial development. Most of them are rent seekers, contractors and real estate looters. There is no much loot in AP today, and whatever is there CBN looted in the last five years. State debt which is some 90K Cr in 2014 is now some 240K cr with nothing on the ground to show. Just nothing.

4. All AP politicos have one formula for administration and winning elections. That is massive loot and distribution of part of the loot during elections for votes and extensive freebies to the public. That is the principle since YSR came to power and same continued with CBN which CBN is going further to give freebies only to his chamchas and his voters. This model now cannot be implemented as there is no money. Hence Special Status is needed for cash to loot and give freebies.

In reality, no one knows what does it mean by special status. However, everyone in AP wants it. They are not interested in educational institutions, roads, hospitals and all other things which they can get if they maintain good administration and take and use regular funding from GoI.

In almost five years, CBN could not build a permanent Assembly house, Secretariat etc. He took almost till Jan 2019 to build a building and other infra for High Court. In the meanwhile huge number of contracts are awarded on a nomination basis. A huge amount of funds spent for which there is no processes and no accountability.
There is no reason to believe Jagan will be better than CBN. If anything, he will be worst then CBN.

Only thing we need to watch in AP is anti-national activities by CBN and massive EJ activities under Jagan family.

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 28 May 2019 18:15

Some posters here give the maximum ??? factor, clued as they are into some parallel world where truth,higher than truth, bias, hallucinations, set max all come together to form a viewpoint where only they are privy to the truth as if they witness everything on this earth from a third person perspective, what are walls and cctv monitoring against a presence so all-knowing?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 May 2019 19:11

It is good that SOMEONE can see through the SeeAyyeh's jenno-sidal plots.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 28 May 2019 19:38

Kashi wrote:^^^^Is this guy for real????

I dont know? I think we need a loya jirga to decide.

banrjeer · Post by **banrjeer** » 28 May 2019 19:51

I heard another story going around.

The US was going to nuke India if it did not allow refueling for US ships during the gulf war. This was claimed with an air of absolute certainty.

How do you counter such rumors? The news media is not projecting a mature narrative. What’s the scene for AP, TG, TN? Are there any mature news orgs?

It’s a problem all over the world ofcourse

Ornob and co are a welcome change from MSM but he has started a trend towards shrillness which blocks the news from being told

banrjeer · Post by **banrjeer** » 28 May 2019 19:52

I heard another story going around.

The US was going to nuke India if it did not allow refueling for US ships during the gulf war. This was claimed with an air of absolute certainty.

How do you counter such rumors? The news media is not projecting a mature narrative. What’s the scene for AP, TG, TN? Are there any mature news orgs?

It’s a problem all over the world ofcourse

Ornob and co are a welcome change from MSM but he has started a trend towards shrillness which blocks the news from being told

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 May 2019 20:10

Stalin said he would support United South India demand. And hoped there would be such a demand.
Sad TN gave him and Congress such a huge mandate.

How come RaGa is not being asked if he supports Stalin stance?

arvin · Post by **arvin** » 28 May 2019 20:45

UlanBatori wrote: Likewise, TCR-EKM is ridiculously slow: I wonder what the hangup is, it's firm railbed, double electrified tracks. TCR-EKM should be like 40 minutes flat with 3 stops. Then EKM-Kottayam likewise can be sped up a lot. TCR-Guruvayoor probably takes a long time too, I wouldn't know.

Seems like the trains actually became SLOWER since the days of the steam choo-choos, except for a coupe of express trains. I can't believe that they can't run a set of fast chair-car trains up and down KL, with no new "HSR" etc. I thought the METRO would be a big breakthrough, but it is mostly a raised, hugely expensive city center-type system, not one integrated with the mainline rail as in Chennai.
Overall, in KL, the rail system is hugely sub-optimal due to what must be poor planning and management. Otherwise a Chair Car trip beats the heck out of road travel!

TCR - EKM (65 km) should ideally be served by mumbai style local train line since the line connects 5th and 2nd largest cities in kerala. There is a hugh population that travels up and down on a daily basis. Virar to churchgate in mumbai is 60 km and a fast local takes 60 min to cover the distance.
A similar service on 2 dedicate tracks seperate from current one would be a boon to the commuters who otherwise have to cram into long distance trains or much slower passenger trains.
Net net Pinarayi's priorities have been to hatch grandiose schemes like semi-hsr, rail lines cutting through forest areas (nilambur-bandipur link) or
rail line thru coorg-wayanad. I also read somewhere he is planning a sea-port in kannur.

less than 150 km away from manglore port!!!

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 May 2019 20:52

Same in AP also. Local politicos demand ports almost everywhere even when the present ports are barely braking even.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 28 May 2019 22:17

ramana wrote:Stalin said he would support United South India demand. And hoped there would be such a demand.
Sad TN gave him and Congress such a huge mandate.

How come RaGa is not being asked if he supports Stalin stance?

You're seriously asking that question after Con-dmk relations and history?

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 29 May 2019 02:26

Karan M wrote:Question is how many of those books were actually written by him. Constant rumors of others doing the heavy lifting.

And also, if his ability to read and think was the real deal, how did he constantly make such lousy decisions on every topic he should have been aware of:

Natsec disaster, Economic fumble harmer and planted asinine socialism and crony capitalism, nepotism by favoring Indira, and then the deracinated loathing of Hindus to begin with.

IMHO - Gandhi was more of a brain, shrewd politician. This guy was the salaam saab door opener who became powerful. Much like RK Dhawan becoming a power center in Delhi.

I think the issue is Nehru's success in keeping the corporation called Congress competitive and successful. In this context, judgment of Nehru's intellectual ability are not relevant. From 1952 to 1964, Nehru was able to preside over a monopoly in the form of Congress.

OmkarC · Post by **OmkarC** » 29 May 2019 04:50

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Revanth Reddy wants to Join BJP clearly He Spoke to Amit Shah Aides & Met Many Telangana BJP leadership to Join BJP.
I Think Jagan-DK Shivakumar-Revanth Reddy Combination will over throw Kcr in Telangana
Revanth Reddy was in ABVP and quite close to G. Kishan Reddy. He joined TDP when BJP axed itself to make an alliance with TDP in 1999. Seeing no future for TDP in TS, he went to congress instead of coming back to BJP.

I had long suspected BJP cross voted in TS assembly polls to keep congress out. SM Krishna is DKS' political guru it seems. Now that SMK is in BJP, he might bring DKS in?

According to this guy, Harish Rao, nephew of KCR is another potential candidate. Family fued? A case of shiv sena perhaps?

I heard 2 of the 3 Congress MPs from Telangana have approached Shah to join BJP.. dont know who they are, so here's my take. The 3 congress MPs are Komatireddy Venkatreddy from Bhongir, Uttam kumar reddy from Nalgonda and Revanth reddy from Malkajgiri.

The newly won Bhongir MP - KomatiReddy was a dedicated TG activist and has a lot of administrative experience. He is a Jagan & YSR follower, sticking around in congress due to lack of strength of BJP in southern TG. He won this MP seat on his own strength, not sure how loyal he can be to nationalist causes.

Dont particularly like Revanth Reddy or Uttam kumar Reddy, as they both come with their own baggage.

Uttam Kumar is the state head of Congress, and has the reputation of being petty minded and prone to group politics. He is cited as one of the two reasons for the imploding Telangana state congress, the other being the clown prince himself. But he also has a weak nationalist streak, like the Punjab CM, he too is from the forces background, he was a former Airforce pilot and post-Balakot, he mentioned in a press conference he could rejoin IAF to bomb Pakistan if there was war (not sure how that would've played out, but good speech nonetheless).. but it will be bad for the local budding BJP if he joins the party and brings along his followers, and their group politics into the party.

Revanth is smart and can match KCR in verbal duels, but plays too dirty, was a close confidante of CBN and his role in note for vote scam has been caught on camera as Naidu's broker. Its real politik vs fundamental ethics.

I dont think BJP should self destruct by bringing in UKR, but KomatiReddy will be a valuable asset.

OmkarC · Post by **OmkarC** » 29 May 2019 06:25

Yagnasri wrote:AP as on today has one of the highest per capita income in the country. So it is well off. It has Vijayawada and Vizag, which are two major cities which can surpass Hyd in a decade or so if serious efforts are made. So what is the problem the politicos of AP have today? I think these are the reasons:

1. CBN and other politicos how are responsible for the division of the state needed some hate figure to divert people’s anger. They feared BJPmight grow in AP. Hence they created a hate figure of BJP and NM achieved two aims of stopped BJP in AP and found a scapegoat for the division.

2. So-called "intellectuals" which are good for nothing fellows without any work making a massive amount of sounds. Entire media which also full of lefties (the support naxals enjoy from AP and Telugu politicos, movie scumbags etc. is massive) and fully paid one by CBN. Telugu MSM runs on payments by politicos. They all developed a vested interest in calling for Special Status.

3. AP politicos are not keen or not inclined on industrial and commercial development. Most of them are rent seekers, contractors and real estate looters. There is no much loot in AP today, and whatever is there CBN looted in the last five years. State debt which is some 90K Cr in 2014 is now some 240K cr with nothing on the ground to show. Just nothing.

4. All AP politicos have one formula for administration and winning elections. That is massive loot and distribution of part of the loot during elections for votes and extensive freebies to the public. That is the principle since YSR came to power and same continued with CBN which CBN is going further to give freebies only to his chamchas and his voters. This model now cannot be implemented as there is no money. Hence Special Status is needed for cash to loot and give freebies.

In reality, no one knows what does it mean by special status. However, everyone in AP wants it. They are not interested in educational institutions, roads, hospitals and all other things which they can get if they maintain good administration and take and use regular funding from GoI.

In almost five years, CBN could not build a permanent Assembly house, Secretariat etc. He took almost till Jan 2019 to build a building and other infra for High Court. In the meanwhile huge number of contracts are awarded on a nomination basis. A huge amount of funds spent for which there is no processes and no accountability.
There is no reason to believe Jagan will be better than CBN. If anything, he will be worst then CBN.

Only thing we need to watch in AP is anti-national activities by CBN and massive EJ activities under Jagan family.

Good analysis. There is derisive language that's borrowed from Liberandu memes that has been imbibed heavily by all cross sections of Andhra society: "Modi's Bhajana or Blind Bhakti" is attributed to anyone countering their irrational criticism.

I believe Jagan will slowly attempt to convert the state to Christianity using his BIL, while following his twin penchants of a) revenge against TDP b) becoming a larger than life messiah like his father.

But at least he's planning to give a quiet burial to turn Amravati to Singapore or Paris, and come down to a more realistic all rounded development of district centers - which is a good thing.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 29 May 2019 09:47

There is no problem with a large capital which unfortunately became a real estate scam under CBN. If Jagan wants to make a capital let him with no demands for funds etc from GoI other than normally given. GoI already promised ring road during CBN days as per the rumours and CBN did not took interest in that. One can be sure many such things GoI will give if followed up. But as I said all the contracts and other activities shall not be given to Gov of AP at any cost. Otherwise they will loot those funds.

KSKumar · Post by **KSKumar** » 29 May 2019 10:21

Yagnasri wrote:There is no problem with a large capital which unfortunately became a real estate scam under CBN. If Jagan wants to make a capital let him with no demands for funds etc from GoI other than normally given. GoI already promised ring road during CBN days as per the rumours and CBN did not took interest in that. One can be sure many such things GoI will give if followed up. But as I said all the contracts and other activities shall not be given to Gov of AP at any cost. Otherwise they will loot those funds.

Right Sir. Please tell us exactly what Ring Road this is? How did the GOI propose to construct this and what alignment was finalised and the details of the DPR that GOI used to propose funding the project? Could you provide any links to your claim?

So there are many things GOI "will give if followed up"? Any details? Who in GOI told you about "many things will be given if followed up"? Please note here, I am not trying to attack you personally. I am just using your post as a bellweather to try and debunk the extraordinary lies that many others have posted about CBN and his many "scams". I am no CBN fan, because some may recall my heartily disliked intervention during the YSR death conspiracy posts that BRF was drowning in at that time.

If this forum must have credibility, please post things with some substantiation.

Also the real estate scam, what exactly is it? Any details? The land pool in Amravathi is from the 33,000 acres that the farmers had pooled with no payment other than receiving developed land parcels in exchange in some proportion. You keep insisting this is a scam. Please post some details. That would be educational.

KSKumar · Post by **KSKumar** » 29 May 2019 10:54

Yagnasri wrote:Same in AP also. Local politicos demand ports almost everywhere even when the present ports are barely braking even.

Again, sorry about picking your post. So what ports have the politicos demanded? I know of Duggirajupatnam and the revival of Machilipatnam (its glory days were decades ago). By the way, Duggirajupatnam port was proposed to be funded as part of the A.P. Reorganization Act passed in the Parliament.

Machilipatnam revival, as far I as know, is proposed or is being funded by Govt. of A.P. I could be wrong here, but that is what I recall.

I am not an expert on the Ports and their financials. But, you confidently claimed that present ports are barely breaking even. Do you mind posting the financial results of the various ports in AP? I would be really grateful to you for the education.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 29 May 2019 12:02

I have knowledge about these ports and other infra projects most of the country including AP because I dealt with them and still dealing with many of them.These including ones connected with AP capital.

In respect of the land parcels how much land is handed over back to the farmers as on today after it was "developed" by the state of AP. What is the % of 33,000 acre land that was handed over today. What is the income of the farmers for the last four years who handed over the land since they handed over the land?

Creating rumors about this and that to increase the prices in various places where they have already brought lands and sell those lands to gullible public and greedy developers done many times. I know people who lose huge amounts in that. Even Jagan gang is now doing that with rumors that the capital is being moved to some place else.

Massive looting activity led to CBN who till 2014 enjoyed a reputation as a good administrator resulted in his defeat now.

Funny thing is there seems no notification or official orders/records showing Amaravathi as capital of AP as on today. As on today Hyderabad is still capital of AP. I hope I was wrong here.

KSKumar · Post by **KSKumar** » 29 May 2019 17:11

Yagnasri wrote:I have knowledge about these ports and other infra projects most of the country including AP because I dealt with them and still dealing with many of them.These including ones connected with AP capital.

In respect of the land parcels how much land is handed over back to the farmers as on today after it was "developed" by the state of AP. What is the % of 33,000 acre land that was handed over today. What is the income of the farmers for the last four years who handed over the land since they handed over the land?

Creating rumors about this and that to increase the prices in various places where they have already brought lands and sell those lands to gullible public and greedy developers done many times. I know people who lose huge amounts in that. Even Jagan gang is now doing that with rumors that the capital is being moved to some place else.

Massive looting activity led to CBN who till 2014 enjoyed a reputation as a good administrator resulted in his defeat now.

Funny thing is there seems no notification or official orders/records showing Amaravathi as capital of AP as on today. As on today Hyderabad is still capital of AP. I hope I was wrong here.

Yagnasri garu,

It appears you have not gone into details. In that case, how do you claim scams of mega proportions sir?

With regard to plot allotments, there is a website with all details. Please visit this and see for yourself. Since you claim land pooling scheme is a scam, I leave it to you to analyze and post here what you find.

https://crda.ap.gov.in/APCRDA/UserInter ... tment.aspx

The below link is the land pooling scheme and developed plot allotment entitlements. If the farmers did not get the land promised, do you think they will sit passively? What is the state BJP leadership doing? Why not lead the "cheated" farmers and drown APCRDA in crippling litigation so that all activity comes to a stop? The fact that this did not happen gives me good reason to assume that the mega scam you talk about is not a reality on the ground. With regard to the income of the farmers who have handed over the land, all those details are in the two links. I am sure you will trouble yourself to find it.

https://crda.ap.gov.in/apcrdacommuni/Me ... 0April.pdf

So, now Jagan is going to move the capital? Can you link any press statements he has made to this effect? I have certainly not heard anything like this. But, I am not a politically aware individual so I may have missed it.

Creating rumours for price increase and so on, any substantiation? All land price speculation is based on rumours. I can't think of any city where land price increases occur where rumours have not played a part. Also, what rumours? Did the capital not come up in Amaravathi?

About notification on Amaravati being declared the capital of Andhra Pradesh, it took a one minute google search to find this:

https://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/t ... 740376.ece

Losing elections is not always due to one specific cause. Even in 2014 the gap between the combined CBN+BJP+Pawan Kalyan was in the region of 1% against YSR Congress. With CBN's parting with BJP and Pawan Kalyan's own splintering of Kapu vote, it does not take a genius to figure out CBN would loose, unless he could counter monbilize by showing BJP as betraying their promises (which had more than a kernel of truth in it). That did not succeed, so he lost.

That is the fact, not some handwaving over some alleged corruption.

About the ports, your original post said A.P politicos were demanding ports all over the place. I posted the two ports that were proposed (and one also included in the A.P. Reorganisation act). Please list what other ports were/are being demanded. I genuinely do not know.

If you are an authority on these matters, Sir, please post the financials of various ports in A.P. that you claim are barely making ends meet. You implied all the existing ports are struggling financially. This is a serious claim, hence it behooves you to provide some evidence.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 29 May 2019 17:52

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4ToZvw7LWE

The complaint was made in the light of Pastor Felix Jebasingh engaging in evangelisation at the foot of Coimbatore’s famous Adi Yogi statue, on Monday. A video grab of the incident shows Jebasingh, clad in a full-sleeve white shirt and black pant walking towards the statue and exhorting crowds gathered by the base of the monument, to “follow Jesus Christ, since Shiva will not save (you) from your sins.”

In the video that went viral, the preacher can be heard saying, “Yogi and the serpent will not protect you. Only Jesus can.”

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 29 May 2019 18:15

wow, just saw this:

TKiran wrote: The first thing CIA did was to eliminate YSR. They wanted quick partition of Andhra. But it was resisted by Telugus, and CIA did not make payments to Sonia Gandhi or Sushma Swaraj in time, they were furious and allowed the issue of split of Andhra to fester. KCR saw political opportunity and pitched in.

But my favorite standup is better than you, so no cigar

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 29 May 2019 19:44

arshyam wrote:
krisna wrote:Tamil as a language has loan words and has a rhythmical lyrical quality similar to Sanskrit (not sure how to word it).
This is very true, and have heard from multiple people that because of this, they were able to learn Sanskrit faster. I don't know how to say it either, but your definition conveys the point.

krisna wrote:Later after gaining power made sure Tamil as the language remains a main issue. >1-2 Generations of Tamilians don't know even today about Sanskrit loan words and close relation to Sanskrit.
This creates a fertile field for these dumeels to claim that no relation to Sanskrit(hence major parts of India).
Irony is that when Sanskrit was widely used, Tamil and other languages only grew. Many more younger languages branched off and started to thrive. But in TN, there is an irrational fear about Sanskrit overwhelming Tamil, when the truth was Tamil grew when Sanskrit was also around.

I think this fear is simply carried forward from Hindi based on ignorance. While I can understand the fear of Hindi, as a westphalian state ends up imposing a single language and India is perhaps unique in trying to deal with those contradictions, I don't see why one should fear and oppose Sanskrit.

krisna wrote:Thirukkural a Tamil classic is nothing but Manusmriti in the Tamil language. It is exactly the same sequence as Manusmriti and chapters are similar to it.
But with recent corruption and removal of all references by christian folks and now some islamic folks, chnages are in the making to make sure Tamilians are loisng their culture and heritage.
Dr Nagaswamy explains it very well, and in subsequent talks, takes these dravidians to the cleaners. Well worth a watch.

Thanks for confirming my post.

No need to hide anything to Tamilians as done by periyarvadis and casteists folks. In this milieu, add non Hindus religious fundoos Just expose the facts and reality.

It is like when darkness is prevailing- does not matter how much dark it is- simple candle light or torch or sunlight is enough to remove the darkness.

Nothing is lost except exposure to reality and truth.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 29 May 2019 20:03

syam wrote:For some strange reason, brits never bothered with these hindu/tamil pride stuff, some how managed it fine. Imagine Her Majesty learning Tamil to impress tamils and then building Madras city.

Only Mudiji and his dirty northee gujjus have to do all kinds of circus to make any inroads into tamil heartland.

disagree with this statement.
They destroyed every aspect of Indian culture and traditions. They indirectly supported christian institutions to go against Hindus. The thru legal means by being defacto rulers usurped the role of Hindu kings who were the patrons of temples and gurukuls and many other aspects of Hindus. They gifted away massive temple lands and other institutions, destroyed the traditional ways of Hindus control over temples which was in vogue for centuries. This is the basis for Govt control of temples in India as continuation of britshit rule .

Add the ZERO % growth in economic activity for over 100 years, introduction of "caste system" into India esp Hindus since 1800s.
Now with over 4-5 generations under govt control with sociopolitical dynamics of entrenched "caste system" it is an uphill task to wrest govt control of temples. Due to this some or other groupings will claim discrimination. On top of this , govts wantonly use the temple money for other activities incluidng corruption, funding non Hindus conversions. No money for upkeep of temples or beautifying it. Lot of dirt and sewage aroun dtemples- wantonly done to keep the "image of yindoos as dirt and poor etc". Huge money can be generated from pilgrimage tourism which is extremely BIG in India.
so far NaMo govt has got pulse on this with Nitin Gadkari regarding pilgrimage tourism which can generate huge JOBS and money.

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destruction of gurukuls etc and Sanskrit language by britshits and continued by JLN family has created an open filed for tukde tukde forces to wreak havoc on sociopolitical fabric of India.

many of Indias cultural heritage science and traditions is in local languages and sanskrit. By losing our control of sanskrit with not many experts to interpret them thru Indian LENS we are ripe for cultural genocide.

That is why local languages and sanskrit must be given prominence and not English.

If english given prominence as done now- then we must have INDIAN ENGLISH DICTIONARY with compolete control of it by Indians themselves. we must establish some center for this. Add sanskrit and other Indian languages to it.

TKiran · Post by **TKiran** » 29 May 2019 20:46

hnair wrote:wow, just saw this:

TKiran wrote: The first thing CIA did was to eliminate YSR. They wanted quick partition of Andhra. But it was resisted by Telugus, and CIA did not make payments to Sonia Gandhi or Sushma Swaraj in time, they were furious and allowed the issue of split of Andhra to fester. KCR saw political opportunity and pitched in.
But my favorite standup is better than you, so no cigar

Hnair,
Could you care to explain why Whitehouse was watching YSR s flight? Why did KGB agent Sonia Gandhi visit USA between 2009 and 2013 thrice? If you can't explain, watch the video below.

https://youtu.be/J-ToDRl5BB0

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 29 May 2019 21:11

Over the past few weeks, I have been working on a project to estimate the number of Christians in Andhra. Here is my attempt with numbers. Welcome feedback. This is a maximalist interpretation of the Christian numbers in Andhra. Myself, I think it is about 2-3% lower than the numbers I have projected.

Ramana-garu, Muppalla-garu, ShyamSP-garu - I am looking at you folks here.

How have I arrived at the numbers? This is the methodology. All this, I may add, is based on the feedback I have got from people on the ground. I have *extremely* generous to the Christian numbers, BTW.

I have assumed that all the Christians currently registered [indicated in column 2 as Christian pop. according to Andhra 2011 census] are from non-ST groups [which need not be true as STs don't lose reservation if they convert].

In all districts, I have assumed that there are twice as many Christians. Having previously assumed that all the Christians are non-SC, STs, I have assumed that there are as many others from the non-SC, non-ST castes that are lying about their real affiliation.

I have assumed that 70% of the Dalits of Uttarandhra [Srikakulam, Vijayanagaram and Visakhapatnam] have converted, and 50% of the tribals also have converted.

In have assumed that 80% of the Dalits of Kosta [East Godavari, West Godavari, Krishna, Guntur] have converted. Again, I have assumed that 50% of the tribals have also converted [which is overly generous to Christians, BTW].

I have assumed that 90% of the Dalits of Prakasam have converted. Again, I have assumed that 50% of the tribals have converted.

Finally, in Rayalaseema+Nellore, i have assumed that 50% of the Dalits have converted and 25% of the tribals have converted. This is again generous to the Christians, especially in Anantapur, where I am very sure the Christian percentage is NOT >8%.

So, with these numbers, please let me have your feedback. All numbers for SCs, STs, Christians, and total population is taken from the census 2011.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 30 May 2019 00:43

Scary numbers Shanmukh garu, especially K-G delta/Coastal districts. We need to settle on realistic numbers than projections by sourcing more data. Side note is to think recent election vote-bank machinations in that above votebank all go to YCP so any cut in upper caste and BC votebanks is dent to TDP.

If government implements strict reservations, those converts numbers will come down drastically as they avail both SC government benefits and church benefits. Also if church money is cut they will rollback to their original faith or don't convert further also. SC converts' numbers are saturated and upper caste converts' numbers are down but apparently BCs are current target. It is imperative for the Center to cut foreign money for third wave of conversion which is underway in AP. First wave was conversion by colonial and remnant churches. Second wave was by western missionary and evangelical churches through monetary benefits that went on till 2000. Third wave is with modern marketing techniques to attract all kinds of people using the current flock as their solid base.

I'll share details of villages I know that went through all first two waves via email.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 30 May 2019 05:00

[quote="arshyam"]Welcome back saar, saw you started posting since last week, but didn't get a chance to reply before./quote]
Yes, your points about Chettiyars are pertinent. They made a huge name for themselves. If you remember, they had a huge role in making the Burmese regions "richer". They went into the interiors of Burma when the British Banks did not want to go inside. They have a significant hand in making them a big rice cultivators.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 30 May 2019 05:04

arshyam wrote:
hanumadu wrote:I said before that Modi should learn Tamil for 2024. Also Modi is a great orator. His message is being lost in translation. In fact, any politician from the north has to learn as many southern Indian languages as possible, but Tamil is a must. It will immediately endear him to the people.
Not needed saar. It will onlee make these usual suspects bray loudly about Tamil pride and how Modi had to bow to it, and other related shite. It's okay however, to use a phrase here or there - any part of the world, people love it if a visitor tries to use the local language despite not knowing it. This is all the more true in places where the language attachment is high.

What's needed is a local Modi - Indic, charismatic, and Hindu nationalist to the core who can dominate any Tamil debates with wordplay. Someone like Jeyamohan, but who is also a politician. If not in BJP, in a friendly but independent outfit that can be supported to grow.

A tall order, I guess.

True that. Modi does not have to learn Hindi. Anyway I think Modi will probably take a back seat in 2024. That is my guess. You are right that new and young leaders have to sprout. Jeyamohan is too much of an intellectual, like Gurumurthy. Good folks, but best as guides. Mariadhas is a good guy, has the knowledge and is a fighter. And is zealous.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 30 May 2019 05:19

Rishi_Tri wrote: BJP was on upward trajectory till 1999.

Govindacharya left in 2000. It may have affected BJP's plan for whole of south barring Karnataka. Just my conjecture based on circumstantial evidence.

We cannot conclude based on one such data point. In 1998 JJ joined as NDA partner, and won good number of seats. And in 1999 she along with Sonia pulled down ABV government. The stymieing of BJP could have happened under JJ, more than Govindacharya having to do with lack of growth in TN.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 30 May 2019 05:23

nachiket wrote: The decimation in TN is far more worrisome. Things look bleak there.

There WAS NO decimation in TN, because BJP did not really fight in TN.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 30 May 2019 05:34

Agasthi wrote:As a famous dialogue from a famous Tamil comedian “it’s all common in politics”. There was tremendous anger against the DMK in 2014 and they lost all. At the height of JJ’s corruption aftermath she lost her Bagrur assembly seat in 1996. All will be forgotten and forgiven with the right strategy by 2024. In my opinion AP will be lot more easier to capture because they don’t have ideological baggage that exists in TN. The following could be a couple of way forwards:

1. South TN is a good place to start with. AMMK lost but attracted 5% vote share. If ADMk is imploding, absorb as many ideological pasand factions from there. WB offers a pertinent lesson in this regard. If the CPIM votes can shift so can ADMK votes and workers, ADMk was more accomodative in its leadership having had a Malayalee and a practising Brahmin as its head.
2. Try patronage of the same Jallikattu festivals and avoid the Brahmin tag. Patronise and fund the festivals for the Mother Godess during the ‘Aadi’(July) in the villages. Stick to occupying the sacred spaces around the Shaiva faith especially Murugan to avoid northie tag initially to gain grass root acceptance.
3. Get idealougues who can challenge the DK ideologues. We need a Sambandar or a Manikkavasaggar to do to the DK ideologues what they did to the Jain idealogues. And they need to be media savvy as well.
4. Form alliance with Puthiya Tamilagam a Dalit party in south TN who is not averse to BJP.
5. And most importantly, populism works. Bribes in kind or cash works. TN is ageing. There is already Ayushman Bharat. Expand its scope in TN.

Added later:
6. Kindle family feud. Massage M.K Azhagiri to disrupt and cut votes for DMK in south TN. Create a succession struggle.
7. Fund movies and TV through proxies and tie down Sun media empire. This in my opinion important
8. Casteist issues. Force and corner DK’s idealogues on caste issues. There will be plenty of MS Aiyar and Sam Pitroda’s on that issue. Taunt them on the hollowness of the idealogy.

These are some steps and there can be more strategies.

1. It could well have been a strategy of AS to let AIADMK perish. BJP held its hand as much as it could, but then it is probably better than Dravidian parties go by. What better party for BJP, that AIADMK perish first.

2. Personally, Jallikattu should be outright banned in this age and time. I have been against it from day one; and I know among the pro-BJP, pro-Modi individuals I am just one of the handfuls

3. Water. Water. Water. It is an important factor in the future of India, and elections.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 30 May 2019 05:37

hanumadu wrote:
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My first job would be to link Godavari and Krishna and this bring water to TamilNadu - Hon min @nitin_gadkari

This is what BJP is all about
Even though you reject #TNRejectsBJP, they will do their duty.

Thank you sir

#BJPStandsForTN
Surely, this must mollify the Tamilians, some what?

River linking is such a horrible idea in my opinion. I know ABV was big for it. And Rajnikanth is on that bandwagon. Having canals from a river is all fine. But diverting/harnessing water from rivers from their natural courses to other parts will create problems. Natural resources should flow naturally to other regions - only then it can be sustainable. Dams are a different matter.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 30 May 2019 05:42

uskumar wrote:
Will support it if southern states want to break away from India: DMK leader MK Stalin
Sad to see mainstreaming of seperatism movement in tn by DMK. But not unexpected. Nationalism has become anti-thesis to tamil movement. This is what happens when you let Ej media run a mock .

Prasad has it correct. Stalin is not championing anything. A reporter asked, and he stupidly answered it with even a stupid answer. He does not have the testimonials to carry out these things. It is similar to "medai paechu". He is past his prime who got lucky this time.