2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 29 May 2019 00:37

mea culpa.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 29 May 2019 01:05

Time does a U turn 'Modi Has United India Like No Prime Minister in Decades'
http://time.com/5595467/narendra-modi-i ... -minister/

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 29 May 2019 01:16

A lot of Journos were slightly pro-Modi in early part of Modi 1.0. Once they realized that Modi is not going to continue the handouts available during prior regimes they turned anti-Modi.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 29 May 2019 01:34

IndraD wrote:Time does a U turn 'Modi Has United India Like No Prime Minister in Decades'
http://time.com/5595467/narendra-modi-i ... -minister/

Its not by TIME.
Its a postelection rebuttal article by a Modi reelection campaign leader in TIME.

Manoj Ladwa
Manoj is founder and chief executive of the India Inc. Group. In 2014, he led the Research Analysis & Messaging division of the Narendra Modi for Prime Minister campaign

These rags will continue to have their fixed agenda of supporting BIF vis-a-vis India .

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 29 May 2019 02:05

Lilo wrote:
sudeepj wrote:More than karma yogi, its gluttony and refusing to take care of ones health. Your body is one thing you must respect and many politicians dont. If your body is giving way at 66, and you dont have a condition like cancer, you have disrespected your body over an entire lifetime and its finally giving out. All it really takes is 30 minutes of exercise every day, and several days of upwaas an year to keep it fighting fit. Look at Advani ji, Yogi ji or even Modi ji! Yogi ji in particular is blessed.. he sleeps 4-5 hours a day and is as fighting fit as a soldier. Modi ji works like a demon.. I feel if he reduces his work by an hour or two a day to give his body time to recover, the total amount of work his body will put out over his life time will increase.
How about a wee bit of regard to a dying man?
Who helped NaMo come to power inside BJP and helped him navigate lutyens traps to the best of his ability since 2002 riots till his health finally gave away?
A diabetic, Jaitley’s health issues became worse after he had a kidney transplant in May last year. He also had to skip the interim budget in February when he was in hospital in the United States getting cancer treatment.

https://in.reuters.com/article/india-po ... NKCN1SU0UN

Boss, my harsh words wont matter to Jaitley ji, he probably doesnt know of my existence. But if my harsh words can inspire even one person to take better care of their health, my purpose will be served. Jaitely ji was famous for throwing lavish food extra-vaganzas in Delhi for the journo circuit. Even Atal ji was famous for his evening tipple. Advani ji on the other hand is famous for his spartan life style when it comes to food. Same with Yogi ji. And this shows in their fitness levels.

I have not heard much about the food habits of Modi ji, except the upwaas lifestyle, which shows in his energy levels. Bottomline is, if you dont take care of your body, your body wont take care of your mission and may fail you at the most critical time. Merely 30 minutes of workout and temperance in eating habits can give you an extra 10 years of fitness that you can use to further you mission. And you bet, even if you ask Jaitely ji or Atal ji, they may well agree with what I am saying. Thats all..

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 29 May 2019 02:11

Ministerial aspirants lobby as Karnataka CM Kumaraswamy struggles to save Congress-JD(S) government – PTI

BENGALURU: Ministerial aspirants started lobbying on Tuesday, with chief minister H D Kumaraswamy reportedly planning cabinet expansion or reshuffle in a bid to save the Congress-Janata Dal (Secular) coalition government in Karnataka.

Cheers

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 29 May 2019 02:42

If you thought congress was brazen between 2004 to 2014, this is worse.
Times Now claims they have transcripts of conversations of Kamal Nath and audio tapes will be out too soon.
The money is actually pilfered from various govt departments including women and child welfare.
Times Now also claims there are whatsapp messages and signatures of the recipients.

Congress really went all out to at least restrict BJP to around 220 and stop Modi from becoming PM again. Every body was involved in this including CBN. CBN did not care to come back as CM but he had more pressing concerns.

So why was congress so desperate for cash? It looted tens of thousands over 10 years?
I think this is why demonetisation is a master stroke. It really took away all the cash from all the political parties and it also stopped the cash from coming back from abroad easily.

If what Times Now says in this video is even half true, it's an open and shut case but its India. So...

ashbhee · Post by **ashbhee** » 29 May 2019 02:50

Ashokk wrote:NDA likely to get Rajya Sabha majority by November 2020; Manmohan set to lose his seat next month

NEW DELHI: The BJP-led NDA is likely to get majority in Rajya Sabha by November next year which will complete BJP’s domination of Parliament and clear the way for the Narendra Modi government to push some key legislations which have been stalled in the upper House where the numbers favoured the opposition benches in NDA’s first term.
At present, NDA has 102 members in Rajya Sabha while Congress-led UPA has 65. Parties not aligned to either block have 73 in the House where support of 123 is needed to cross the half-way mark.
Ten seats will fall vacant in 2019 and 72 in 2020. Fifty-five of the 72 seats will fall vacant in April, five in June, one in July and 11 (including 10 from Uttar Pradesh) in November next year.
The ruling alliance will have to win the three assembly polls in Maharashtra, Haryana and Jharkhand, which are lined up this year as BJP’s defeat in six states —Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh, Odisha, Telangana and Andhra Pradesh - have delayed its prospects of getting the magic mark till November next year.
Absence of majority prevented the Modi government in its first term to get parliamentary approval for some key legislations like the Triple Talaq bill and amendments to the Citizenship Act.
The members may not see two former Prime Ministers among them in Parliament as H D Deve Gowda lost Lok Sabha poll while Manmohan Singh is retiring from Rajya Sabha next month. With Singh’s departure, Congress is set to lose its biggest UPA mascot at a time when the party appears already in the midst of an existential crisis.
Singh is currently member from Assam, but Congress cannot retain his seat from the state in upcoming polls for the Upper House on June 7. Besides Singh, another Congress Rajya Sabha member from the state, Santiuse Kujur, will also retire on June 14. Both seats will go to BJP and its ally as Congress does not have the required number in the state assembly.
Though eight more Rajya Sabha seats will go to polls this year, it won’t give Congress a chance to send Singh or any other party member to the upper House in 2019 unless it enlists DMK’s support for the former PM for a berth from Tamil Nadu.

Six seats will fall vacant in Tamil Nadu in July while one each from Bihar and Odisha will need to be filled this year. Congress doesn’t have enough MLAs in these assemblies to get even a single RS seat.
JD(S) or Congress will get chance to send Deve Gowda or Singh (if could not get DMK's support in July) to the upper House only next year which will see polls to fill 72 Rajya Sabha seats from 22 states. Deve Gowda was PM in 1996-97 while Singh held the post for 10 years from 2004 to 2014.

Even if NDA gets majority, will parties like JDU support bill like uniform civil code, removal Article 35A etc.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 29 May 2019 02:54

hanumadu wrote: If you thought congress was brazen between 2004 to 2014, this is worse.
Times Now claims they have transcripts of conversations of Kamal Nath and audio tapes will be out too soon.
The money is actually pilfered from various govt departments including women and child welfare.
Times Now also claims there are whatsapp messages and signatures of the recipients.

Congress really went all out to at least restrict BJP to around 220 and stop Modi from becoming PM again. Every body was involved in this including CBN. CBN did not care to come back as CM but he had more pressing concerns.

So why was congress so desperate for cash? It looted tens of thousands over 10 years?
I think this is why demonetisation is a master stroke. It really took away all the cash from all the political parties and it also stopped the cash from coming back from abroad easily.

If what Times Now says in this video is even half true, it's an open and shut case but its India. So...

At one point, Rahul Shiv Shankar says that Kamal Nath must come out from his 'rat hole'. That's a daring statement considering how influential that guy is. Perhaps, he thinks KM is really done this time.
He also repeatedly calls Rahul should stop sulking and explain the Madhya Pradesh scam. He should really hope BJP comes back to power and Gandhi family is done for good or else he and Times Now is toast.

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 29 May 2019 03:00

hanumadu wrote:...

If what Times Now says in this video is even half true, it's an open and shut case but its India. So...

So the rumors are.. Kamalnath ji became the undisputed king of MP congress and secured his legacy by getting nagul nath elected. In Guna, he managed the long pending exit of the Scindia scion. The chikna Scindia would have been spared.. but he sealed his fate by aggressively attacking Modi ji and Shah in the parliament. If you are going to be a lapdop of Rahul Gandhi.. This is the fate that awaits you. This time, no lihaj was shown by the RSS workers, the debt of the Scindia matriarch had been repaid and in any case, could not justify the kind of bad behavior by Scindia..

The second surgical strike was done by Kamal nath on Diggy raja. He did this by luring Diggy raja to Bhopal, a seat that the BJP hasnt lost in 30 years, and getting him murdered there. Diggy raja, being a seasoned operator.. took it as business and not personal. He has a young wife and his interests are not in public life anymore.. So he walked to his doom.. but not before retaliating by leaking Kamal nath's money entrails. This political murder cost Kamal nath nearly 300 crores in cash and could cost him his throne as well. Even so, Kamal Nath today, is the undisputed king of the ruins that is the Madhya Pradesh Congress. And Amit Shah/Modi may come knocking for 84.

For a few minutes, put the politics aside and appreciate the GoT type maneuvering.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 May 2019 03:02

Peregrine wrote:Ministerial aspirants lobby as Karnataka CM Kumaraswamy struggles to save Congress-JD(S) government – PTI
BENGALURU: Ministerial aspirants started lobbying on Tuesday, with chief minister H D Kumaraswamy reportedly planning cabinet expansion or reshuffle in a bid to save the Congress-Janata Dal (Secular) coalition government in Karnataka.
Cheers

During the ayaram-gayaram days on state had almost 75 ministers in UP or Bihar.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 May 2019 03:07

suddepj, It's possible that Kamal nath tapes are a revenge from Doggy?

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 29 May 2019 03:12

ramana wrote:suddepj, It's possible that Kamal nath tapes are a revenge from Doggy?

Possible? Its the most probable of all the probable scenarios that Diggy raja has something to do with the tapes..

Skanda · Post by **Skanda** » 29 May 2019 03:30

vimal wrote:A lot of Journos were slightly pro-Modi in early part of Modi 1.0. Once they realized that Modi is not going to continue the handouts available during prior regimes they turned anti-Modi.

Apparently even Prannoy Roy had a meeting with Modi right after his election and came back jubilant after the meeting indicating to everyone that Modi is like Atal. Everything is cool.

It took a couple of months to realize that Modi is a different beast altogether.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 29 May 2019 05:09

This cartoon was drawn by the great Laxman over three decades ago...

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 29 May 2019 05:57

Skanda wrote:
vimal wrote:A lot of Journos were slightly pro-Modi in early part of Modi 1.0. Once they realized that Modi is not going to continue the handouts available during prior regimes they turned anti-Modi.
Apparently even Prannoy Roy had a meeting with Modi right after his election and came back jubilant after the meeting indicating to everyone that Modi is like Atal. Everything is cool.

It took a couple of months to realize that Modi is a different beast altogether.

I think it's ok to throw crumbs to these leeches so that they don't muck around too much. Shouldn't cost a lot and they act like propaganda machine for the Indian state. So far they've been under the thumb of Marxists and peddling their nonsense. Now they can be bought to bring forth Hindu worldview and work for Indic forces instead of BIF.

Modi 2.0 should let BJP create its own dirty tricks department whose only purpose is to keep opposition constantly engaged in nonsense and pushing it's own worldview. Hard work is appreciated but we need to get better at messaging.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 29 May 2019 06:06

Guys, noticed from twitter land and Lutyen media that another protect Pappu ass narrative has been that far from dynasties being discredited, this election shows that dynasties have thrived, and surprise, surprise BJP has so many %ge dynasts. So its equal equal galore and the BJP claim that dynasties have been discredited is both false and hypocritical.

Now here is my take. I don't think BJP argument should be that dynasts per se are bad. After all, the son/daughter of a politician has every right to be a politician. But the kicker is that the son/daughter must have the talent, should have come up the hard way and earned their right to be where they are. In that case, the fact that they have a political lineage should not be held against them. Its life's reality. We don't chose when, where, and to whom we are born.

In Pappu's case, none of the attributes of talent, hard work, education apply. He is is there, as is his sister Priyanka purely because they are dynasts and nothing else, nada, zilch. (And of course European heritage that add extra spice to their dynastic attributes). Something like that will be frowned upon in the BJP. For e.g., had BJP lost the elections, the cudgels would have come down heavily on ModiJi and Amit Shah. No doubt about it.

Hence this crap about every party has dynsats and hence that should not be held against Pappu is just that, a shabby attempt by his slaves to protect his ass.

williams · Post by **williams** » 29 May 2019 06:51

ashbhee wrote: Even if NDA gets majority, will parties like JDU support bill like uniform civil code, removal Article 35A etc.

At least some of the labor and land reform laws can be passed. For other major items some negotiations need to happen.

banrjeer · Post by **banrjeer** » 29 May 2019 06:55

nam wrote:
OmkarC wrote:
Sidenote digression (albeit relevant): Please note that among the unseen Caste system within the Islamic community, Owaisi family (and many Hyderabadi Muslim elite) have an undercurrent of resentment towards Pakjabis for refusing to acknowledge their purported Blue blood origins (apparently they have some Turkish or Persian origin) and treating them on par with other Muhajirs from India, and especially resent their association with "south Indian" muslims of Andhra, TN, Kerala.. this was evident from the times of Tipu Sultan, who was refused a bride from the Nizam family due to his supposedly "south Indian"/SDRE origin. Sania Mirza eagerly marrying Pakjabi Shoaib Malik is a manifestation of this inherent craving for acceptance from the Pakjabi elite among some Hyderabadi elite, who are not mentally strong to rebel.
Here is my view.

Indian Muslims are the most powerful entity in the entire history of Islamic world. No other Islamic entity can lay claim to be 3 trillion GDP (to be 5-7 in 10 years), a nuke power and a army of 1.3 million guarding their frontier.

So Muslims from India need to be made to look at Turkish/Pak/Saudi lot with disdain.

Let it be known, when an Indian Muslim steps on the soil of "Arabia", there is a INS Vikramaditya standing behind him in the Arabian sea.

The key to that power and clout are their umm non muslim fellow citizens. ., If they erode that then they are shooting themselves in the foot. But the perception of some of the dumber ones and even the saner ones... very clear in Mehbooba's interview with Rajat sharma is of a "west asian sugar daddy" ...a recurring theme..

Despite the fact that India is writing some of the fattest checks to them.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 May 2019 07:26

Some stats on . BENGAL

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Lokniti-CSDS survey analysis:

40% of the traditional Left voters shifted to the BJP in West Bengal.

32% of traditional Congress voters moved to the BJP.

Overall 57% of Hindus of West Bengal voted for BJP. That's a massive Hindu consolidation by Amit Shah in no-time!

Within that - 57% of Upper Castes, 65% of OBCs, 61% of SCs and 58% of STs voted for BJP.

The only Bengali community where more than 50% voted for TMC was Muslims (70%).

Among 18-35 age group, BJP got a lead of 6% over TMC.
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No wonder Mamata targeted BJP all the time, pretty much ignoring Yechury and Rahul this time. She knows who is conquering the minds of Bengali Hindus, in particular the younger minds.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 29 May 2019 07:36

Hope they can accomplish the same in TN very quickly and importantly. Can't have Northern most state anti India and southern most states anti India due to demographics.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 May 2019 07:41

Ten charts to explain 2019 Elections

https://www.livemint.com/elections/lok- ... 75444.html

Vivasvat · Post by **Vivasvat** » 29 May 2019 07:52

Lilo wrote:
IndraD wrote:Time does a U turn 'Modi Has United India Like No Prime Minister in Decades'
http://time.com/5595467/narendra-modi-i ... -minister/
Its not by TIME.
Its a postelection rebuttal article by a Modi reelection campaign leader in TIME.

And it has been classified under the "IDEAS" section!

souravB · Post by **souravB** » 29 May 2019 08:21

sudeepj wrote:
ramana wrote:suddepj, It's possible that Kamal nath tapes are a revenge from Doggy?
Possible? Its the most probable of all the probable scenarios that Diggy raja has something to do with the tapes..

Well, it is clearly CMS in use. I wonder what do they keep as insurance.

OmkarC · Post by **OmkarC** » 29 May 2019 09:15

disha wrote:I think one major result of the 2019 General elections has been missed by BRF.

This is major news :

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 524582.cms

Government invites BIMSTEC leaders for swearing-in ceremony on May 30
BIMSTEC includes countries of the Bay of Bengal region and seeks to act as a bridge between South and Southeast Asia.
Plus Mauritius and Kyrghyztan.

SAARC IS DEAD THANKS TO BAKISTAN

Dont understand why Modi ji excluded Afghanistan..

asbchakri · Post by **asbchakri** » 29 May 2019 09:25

Suraj wrote:Ash Rockzz posted this on Twitter:

Rae Bareli 2009
INC 481490 72.23%
BSP 109325 16.4%
BJP 25444 3.82%

2014
INC 526434 63.8%
BJP 173721 21.05%
BSP 63633 7.71%

2019
INC 534918 55.8%
BJP 367740 38.36%

Getting closer to dethroning the queen mother

BJP Should put a strong candidate next time and go for the kill

disha · Post by **disha** » 29 May 2019 11:12

Rahul M wrote:meanwhile enjoy this epic trolling of MB as she comes out of Raj Bhawan.
https://twitter.com/mvmeet/status/1133422298000547840

Her facial expression is a sight to behold as people are shouting Jai Sriram to her.

I don't know if bjp was directly up to this, but if they were, kudos to them. It directly feeds into her paranoia and would lead to her making more mistakes.

BJP may not be directly up to above. But if I were there (and definitely outside of Bengal), I would have shouted out "Ram Naam Satya hai" followed by "Jai Shree Ram". The former is said generally during a funeral procession.

disha · Post by **disha** » 29 May 2019 11:14

OmkarC wrote: Plus Mauritius and Kyrghyztan. ...

Dont understand why Modi ji excluded Afghanistan..

I think a very very long game is being played. Getting the CAR into our orbit without overtly seen to be getting to Afghanistan and raising Bakistan's paranoia is I think is being attempted.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 29 May 2019 11:24

this is excellent move.

ANI
‏Verified account @ANI
1h1 hour ago

Midnapore: Kin of BJP workers (who were killed in West Bengal in political violence) invited to the swearing-in ceremony of PM Narendra Modi. Son of Late Manu Hansda says,"My father was killed by TMC goons. We are happy that we are going to Delhi. There's peace in our area now."

wasu · Post by **wasu** » 29 May 2019 11:55

Rahul M wrote:this is excellent move.

ANI
‏Verified account @ANI
1h1 hour ago

Midnapore: Kin of BJP workers (who were killed in West Bengal in political violence) invited to the swearing-in ceremony of PM Narendra Modi. Son of Late Manu Hansda says,"My father was killed by TMC goons. We are happy that we are going to Delhi. There's peace in our area now."

They should be seated next to Jihadidi at the Ceremony.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 29 May 2019 13:05

Now that the results are in the deck has been cleared and action has started. I expect the courts too to move not put too many obstacles in the way.

BREAKING: On Republic TV

ED has attached/sealed one National Herald property [Panchkula, Haryana]

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 29 May 2019 14:35

Congress fights to save K’taka govt, loyalists question party’s move to reward rebels – TNN

BENGALURU: Efforts by Congress seniors to mollify rebels with the offer of cabinet berths has created a new problem for the party, with some party loyalists questioning the decision which they say is “unfair and unjust”. Some loyalists even threw their hats in the ring for ministerial berths on Tuesday, questioning why they shouldn’t be made ministers if rebels were being rewarded.

Cheers

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 29 May 2019 14:55

Congress fights to save K’taka govt, loyalists question party’s move to reward rebels – TNN

BENGALURU: Efforts by Congress seniors to mollify rebels with the offer of cabinet berths has created a new problem for the party, with some party loyalists questioning the decision which they say is “unfair and unjust”. Some loyalists even threw their hats in the ring for ministerial berths on Tuesday, questioning why they shouldn’t be made ministers if rebels were being rewarded.

Cheers

nits · Post by **nits** » 29 May 2019 15:41

Any Chai wala info on who's who in Modi 2.0 Cabinet ?

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 29 May 2019 16:15

JP Nadda to replace Amit Shah as president , any input on him pls

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 29 May 2019 16:16

Robert Vadra has moved court for release of his passport citing medical reports claiming he has tumor in intestine, treatment only possible in London

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 29 May 2019 16:17

Jaitley sir has retired for health reasons, he will be sorely missed! Su Swamy hoping for a ministry

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 29 May 2019 16:18

Self delete

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 29 May 2019 16:19

Karthik S wrote:
Pratyush wrote:So what is the real controversy.

That Raja was a Christian convert.

If he was then elements of Christianity would be visible in Brahma samaj.
Did you do any research to say that it's not visible?

Where in my original post said it was visible or not visible.

It's only a question for people more knowledgeable then me.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 29 May 2019 16:54

Post about how King Arthur's Roundtable got annihilated comes back to mind. They beat all external enemies, then they were able to get out of their heavy armor so they could sleep with each other's wives and goats - with predictable consequences beyond the ancestry of modern Bris1tstan. They failed to turn their spears into ploughshares in time.

There used to be a term called IB4TL.