2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Rishi_Tri · Post by **Rishi_Tri** » 31 May 2019 09:28

Manish_Sharma wrote:
chanakyaa wrote: Out of curiosity, did Jayant Sinha fall out of favor because of his own doing or foul mouth Y Sinha, or perhaps perception on too much western soft corner (20+ year residence in khan land)?
He was throwing tantrums even in beginning of Shri Parrikar's time iirc it was regarding Berretta rifle selected for army... then he was quietly moved to other ministry...

Aviation Industry has been biggest missed opportunity of last administration. Jayant Sinha should take fair share of blame.

Emphasis on aviation started coming 2nd-3rd year onwards when Modiji understood the value and his speeches show it.

Against touting 100 functional airports it should be something like 500-1000 functional airports for country of India's size.

Every major city should have at least two airports. Our airports are already hitting peak capacity!

Such large fleets, and no proper MRO facilities!

Air India international ops should have been given emphasis right from start. Rather it has happened organically and now almost every AI flight to EU, US, let alone Middle East is jam packed.

Lesser said about DGCA the better. While the whole world was grounding 737 Maxs DGCA was acting as sales agent of Boeing; while PW powered A320NEOs have seen so many incidents, DGCA continues to dither on what to do and goes by what PW says; latest gem: Indigo flights have reduced toilets from 3 to 2 to increase seats causing 'Potty' jams and DGCA cares two hoots!

List is endless. Hopefully this administration shall have learnt and recognize immense job creation potential of Aviation!

Rishi_Tri · Post by **Rishi_Tri** » 31 May 2019 09:36

Amit Shah Ji should ideally go to Defense. After Parrikar Ji, Defense is at cross roads. Whatever progress we are seeing now was set in motion by Parrikar Ji. Nirmala Nitharaman Ji has flown across the country but added precious little as vision, moving things on ground.

Defense has been raison d'etre of BRF so reasons known to all. There is ton of work to be done! Other ministries comparatively better placed than Defense. Also, Defense has been handed from one person to another, so needs sharp focus that Amit Shah Ji can bring.

Finance has perhaps been the best managed ministry and with Shaktikanta Das as RBI Governor, has added horsepower!

Only my humble view.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 31 May 2019 09:50

Why does Su Swamy think that the economy is in ruins? Or is he just being chankyan to get the FM job?

EswarPrakash · Post by **EswarPrakash** » 31 May 2019 09:54

KJo wrote:Why does Su Swamy think that the economy is in ruins? Or is he just being chankyan to get the FM job?

I think he thinks he deserves that job and he has been doing this for a while now. Modi won't and shouldn't be giving him that post. He is a very clever turncoat, albeit a right of right guy - so useful to keep on our side

VikramA · Post by **VikramA** » 31 May 2019 09:59

Su swamy is a motormouth. A well spoken one with contacts but a motormouth neither the less.

shravanp · Post by **shravanp** » 31 May 2019 10:25

so-called "national protest" against EVM (A bit too late I think

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EVM Virodhi Rashtriya Jan Andolan – a group comprising different organisations and people from all walks of life have organised a mass protest against EVMs (Electronic Voting Machines ) and demand for paper ballot system.

In their call for the protest, the ‘EVM Virodhi Rashtriya Jan Andolan’ say that EVMs have been manipulated which is evident on the website of the Election Commission (EC) where the “votes counted” do not match with “votes polled”, in all the 48 constituencies in Maharashtra and also match in 203 assembly constituencies of Madhya Pradesh also.

Many people from across the country have been posting on social media about the discrepancies in the votes in their constituencies. There have been cases of malfunctioning of EVMs and suspicious movements of thousands of EVMs, which were even found in hotel rooms all which go to say that EVMs have been tampered and the elections are not being held in a fair manner
http://twocircles.net/2019may29/431541.html

EVM Virodhi Rashtriya Jan Andolan? Seriously?

FYI, Two Circles a newsportal for 'vishesh' samuday.

kvraghav · Post by **kvraghav** » 31 May 2019 10:30

Nirmala Sitharaman should bring some defence manufacturing to Karnataka else there might be repeat of venkayya sakayya

srin · Post by **srin** » 31 May 2019 11:00

Manish_Sharma wrote:
chanakyaa wrote: Out of curiosity, did Jayant Sinha fall out of favor because of his own doing or foul mouth Y Sinha, or perhaps perception on too much western soft corner (20+ year residence in khan land)?
He was throwing tantrums even in beginning of Shri Parrikar's time iirc it was regarding Berretta rifle selected for army... then he was quietly moved to other ministry...

That wasn't Jayant Sinha, it was Rao Inderjeet Singh. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 106294.cms

kumarn · Post by **kumarn** » 31 May 2019 12:18

KJo wrote:Why does Su Swamy think that the economy is in ruins? Or is he just being chankyan to get the FM job?

I am in the retail sector, and I can vouch that this sector is in a really bad shape, not seen in a decade. Money has completely stopped flowing and most of the retailers and their vendors are in terrible shape. Sales have dipped and consumers are are not opening their purse.

Real estate is another sector that has been kicked in it's gonads.

These two sectors together have a huge impact on the economy and that is being felt across.

I am pretty sure that some of the slack is getting picked up by the new age startups and it's showing up in the overall numbers for the economy. But it cannot solve the problem faced by the other part of the economy going through major pain.

kedariprasad · Post by **kedariprasad** » 31 May 2019 12:21

Rishi_Tri wrote:This is in order of swearing in and may reflect accorded seniority. Spelling may be off for few as I picked while swearing in was on:

PM – Narendra Damodardas Modi

Cabinet Ministers:
1. Rajnath Singh
2. Amit Anilchandra Shah
3. Nitin Jayaram Gadkari
4. D V Sadanand Gowda
5. Nirmala Sitharaman
6. Ram Vilas Paswan - LJP
7. Narendra Singh Tomar
8. Ravi Shankar Prasad
9. Harsimrat Kaur Badal – Akali Dal
10. Thawar Chand Gehlot
11. Dr Subrahmanyam Jaishankar
12. Dr. Ramesh Pokhriyal Nishank
13. Arjun Munda
14. Smriti Zubin Irani
15. Dr Harsh Vardhan
16. Prakash Keshav Javadekar
17. Piyush Vedprakash Goyal
18. Dharmendra Pradhan
19. Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi
20. Prahlad Venkatesh Joshi
21. Mahendra Nath Pandey
22. Dr Arvind Ganpat Sawant – Shiv Sena
23. Giriraj Singh
24. Gajendra Singh Shekhawat

Minister of State – Independent Charge
25. Santosh Kumar Gangwar
26. Rao Inderjit Singh
27. Shripad Yesso Naik
28. Dr Jitendra Singh
29. Kiren Rijiju
30. Prahlad Singh Balram Singh Patel
31. Raj Kumar Singh
32. Hardeep Singh Puri
33. Mansukh Laxman Mandaviya

Minister of State –
34. Faggan Singh Kulaste
35. Ashwini Kumar Choubey
36. Arjun Ram Meghwal
37. General VK Singh
38. Krishna Pal Gurjar
39. Raosaheb Dadarao Patil Danve
40. Gangapuram Kishen Reddy
41. Parshottam Gadabhai Rupalal
42. Ramdas Athawale
43. Sadhvi Niranjan Jyoti
44. Babul Supriyo
45. Dr Sanjeev Kumar Balyan
46. Dhotre Sanjay Shamrao
47. Anurag Singh Thakur
48. Suresh Chandrabasappa Angadi
49. Nityanand Rai
50. Rattan Lal Kataria
51. V Muraleedharan
52. Renuka Singh Saruta
53. Som Prakash
54. Rameshwar Teli
55. Pratap Chandra Sarangi
56. Kailash Choudhary
57. Debasree Chaudhuri

Didn't understand why Raosaheb Dadarao Patil Danve was inducted?

Chinmay · Post by **Chinmay** » 31 May 2019 13:11

Amit Shah gets Union Home ministry. Rajanath Singh gets Defence, Nirmala Sitharaman gets Finance ministry. S Jaishankar, as expected, gets charge of External Affairs ministry. RS Prasad - Law and Justice. Smriti Irani - Minister of Women and Child Dev & textiles

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 31 May 2019 13:12

amdavadi wrote:I am putting my 2 Naya Paisa on AS as HM.

mmasand · Post by **mmasand** » 31 May 2019 13:13

The list is out. Nirmala Finance, Rajnath Defence (cringe), Amit Shah Home.

ani_sharma · Post by **ani_sharma** » 31 May 2019 13:17

Help me understand this with more clarity - Why Amit shah choose HM?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 31 May 2019 13:30

ani_sharma wrote:Help me understand this with more clarity - Why Amit shah choose HM?

one of the reasons maybe because AS has previous experience as HM in GUJ.

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 31 May 2019 13:37

Shripad Naik is the Minister of State in Defence assisting Kadi Ninda. This was the guy that claimed there’s proof that Yoga cures cancer.

I’m a bit shocked that Piyush Goyal wasn’t given Finance. Also, VKS wasn’t elevated to Minister of State independent charge, though he performed well in Exter Affairs. He’s now Minister of State in the Ministry of Road Transport and Highways.

jaysimha · Post by **jaysimha** » 31 May 2019 13:39

Portfolios of the Union Council of Ministers
https://www.pmindia.gov.in/en/news_upda ... nisters-2/

the details are out now.

vipins · Post by **vipins** » 31 May 2019 13:39

Finally...Ministry of Jal Shakti!!

mridulmm · Post by **mridulmm** » 31 May 2019 13:46

W Bengal state elections with Amit Shah as Home Minister would be interesting!

LakshmanPST · Post by **LakshmanPST** » 31 May 2019 14:00

Is Rajnath Singh a good choice or bad choice, as far as Defence procurement is concerned...?
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I actually know nothing about him except Kadi Ninda jokes...

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 31 May 2019 14:09

IMHO Amit Shah has shown mettle and among current generation leaders, no one else has shown grit and determination to bring about "Congress mukt Bharat" . I wish, in next five years, he defeats the BIF and he proves to be right full heir to legacy of our First Home Minister & the title of "Sardar".

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 31 May 2019 14:31

Why are portfolio's of minsters are changed? Is there no benefit in continuity.

Perhaps, the ministers get bored of the same kind of work and request change. Also prolonged continuance in the same ministry leads to establishing networks of patronage.

Ramesh Pokhriyal gets HRD. Poor guy

People will be on his back for the next 5 years asking for changes in text books.

ani_sharma · Post by **ani_sharma** » 31 May 2019 14:35

chetak wrote:
ani_sharma wrote:Help me understand this with more clarity - Why Amit shah choose HM?
one of the reasons maybe because AS has previous experience as HM in GUJ.

Thanks. I did some background checks and here's what i can come up as justification.
Modi/Shah have realized that they have maxed out their political growth they can achieve with the current state of polity of india.
I assume their objective is to target anti-india or BIF to create more space for future growth of BJP.

I just hope - Shah retains direct/indirect control of BJP and Shah's value addition to overall political space is similar to what was as of Sardar patel.
I hope I am correct.

Summarizing my views in simple way:
https://twitter.com/Sootradhar/status/1 ... 4701749248

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 31 May 2019 14:36

vipins wrote:Finally...Ministry of Jal Shakti!!

Promises made, promises kept!
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/electio ... ty-2032593

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 31 May 2019 14:57

Former Teacher at RSS-affiliate School, Ramesh Pokhriyal Nishank Now Human Resource Development Minister
Ramesh Pokhariyal Nishank, who has replaced Prakash Javdekar as HRD minister, had a short stint as the chief minister of Uttarakhand.
May 31, 2019

New Delhi: Ramesh Pokhriyal Nishank, who started his career as a teacher in Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh-affiliated Saraswati Shishu Mandir is the new Human Resource Development Minister of India.

Nishank came to limelight when he defeated five-time Congress MLA and education minister from Karnaprayag, Shivanand Nautiyal, to win the seat for the BJP in undivided Uttar Pradesh in 1990.

Nishank replaces Prakash Javdekar, who moves to Information and Broadcasting Ministry.

Nishank’s nomination comes in the wake of RSS's continued efforts for changes in curriculum and policies which could not be undertaken during Prime Minister Modi’s first five years in office. The sangh, especially its chief Mohan Bhagwat, has made no bones about introduction of the new Education Policy and reforms in higher education system.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 31 May 2019 15:09

After seeing some RSS guys take on sabarimala issue, I am rather anxious as to what this guy's ideology is. BTW AS as HM is good news, hope he is ruthless against BIFs.

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 31 May 2019 15:10

Shri Pratap Chandra Sarangi
Minister of State in the Ministry of Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises and Minister of State in the Ministry of Animal Husbandry, Dairying and Fisheries.

gauravsh · Post by **gauravsh** » 31 May 2019 15:35

Some please explain the logic of appointing Anurag Thakur MoS for Finance and VK Singh as MoS in Road Transport. I though General did good in last term.
Anurag Thakur belongs to that BCCI mess even.

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 31 May 2019 16:18

LakshmanPST wrote:Is Rajnath Singh a good choice or bad choice, as far as Defence procurement is concerned...?
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I actually know nothing about him except Kadi Ninda jokes...

For Defence Procurement, very bad. He is old school with zilch understanding of research or production or procurement and the Generals, Admirals, Air Marshals & bureaucrats will lead him up the garden path. OFB will continue and expand to be a rozgar yojana. Poor DRDO folks had it...

The Central Armed Police Forces made lots of irrelevant purchases like Toyota Fortuner and Ford Endeavor for top brasses. Firearms have been picked up from everywhere. Similarly exorbitant specialist vehicles were purchased from Renault when the equipment could have been fitted much cheaper on local chassis.

He is an honest man, but lacks the understanding, knowledge & experience in either defence operations or procurement.

He will have the old school itch of "satisfying" Russia by buying T-90s & Su-30's at the cost of expanding Arjun & Tejas manufacturing.

Kiran Rijju from Arunachal, though young, would have been much better. He understands operations, R&D and building a Mil Ind Complex.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 31 May 2019 16:24

gauravsh wrote: VK Singh as MoS in Road Transport

VKS is a go getter in a stipulated time, rem his evac role in Yemen crisis. I think the govt is looking at accelerated execution of projects in NE and around china border in addition to what Nitin Gadkari ji's role in policy and contract bottlenecks. He's not someone who would sit in delhi and wait for things to come to him. He can be the in the field guy

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 31 May 2019 16:25

according to suresh s , A woman from a ordinary family just became the most powerful woman on planet earth, my respect for Namo went one grade up , well it was already at 10 out of 10 it became 11. All traitors watch out sardar patel is back in his new avatar.As for kadi ninda hope it is a temporary post . all relax defense ministry will be directly watched by Namo

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 31 May 2019 16:26

Now that the Cabinet allocation is over ...

The velvet gloves (Kadi Ninda) is off and the Iron fist will become visible with Shah replacing Ninda Turtle in the Home ministry. I am expecting the Urban Naxal to howl in protest on this appointment but it seems they are too stunned at this moment. Remember the cases against him in Gujarat.

His appointment is bad news of all BIF forces. After getting all the pieces in the right position during the previous term the prep phase is over, by getting all the saboteurs out of the way at CBI, NIA, IB, etc. The action is about to begin and the most experienced senapati has been appointed to take it forward. Expect BIF forces to create huge roadblocks and disruptions but they will be overcome with a lot of effort.

His appointment is also bad news for political traitors. Anyone remembers how Shah was catapulted into the national politics? Now those forces that had him humiliated have their day of reckoning coming.

Plus, Mamta, C.Naidu, Jagan, etc need to be very very careful. With Shah at the helm anything is possible if they step out of line.

Be prepared for upheavals and fireworks in the days ahead.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 31 May 2019 16:27

honestly I am disappointed with Rajnath singh as Def Min but will not judge him, he has played role in weakening Naxalites. I was hoping for some role for Nitin Gadkari or VKS in this field.
I was hoping for some role for shivraj singh chauhan. He is also a good doer. I hear very positive stories about him from my friends in MP for electricity and roads.

gauravsh · Post by **gauravsh** » 31 May 2019 16:29

As far as Kadi ninda is concerned I hope Suresh S is right. Would like to see him shipped soon to some governor's post.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 31 May 2019 16:29

Perhaps Modi will rely on technocrats in the Defense Ministry Plus the PMO to get the job done in the Defense Ministry while letting Ninda Turtle do the file signing, ribbon cutting, etc ....

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 31 May 2019 16:31

ArjunPandit wrote:
gauravsh wrote: VK Singh as MoS in Road Transport
VKS is a go getter in a stipulated time, rem his evac role in Yemen crisis. I think the govt is looking at accelerated execution of projects in NE and around china border in addition to what Nitin Gadkari ji's role in policy and contract bottlenecks. He's not someone who would sit in delhi and wait for things to come to him. He can be the in the field guy

Yup ... my reading too.

syam · Post by **syam** » 31 May 2019 16:31

Wish tony stark is still alive. He would have made great defence minister.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 31 May 2019 16:36

One can see that allocation of ministry is done on merit as well as past performances and is not based on how much money they can swindle from bharatmata which was norm under congons!

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 31 May 2019 16:38

Few thoughts/questions on the cabinet
1. Does CCS & NSA remain the same, apart from the exclusions and new comers? Looking specifically for AD.
2. Another thing I like about BJP as a party is that they rotate their leaders quite well to groom them for responsibilities. Now the role of BJP chief is open and the incumbent will get a chance to work closely with NaMo/AS. That helps in policy continuity and overall leadership. It doesnt remain anyone's fiefdom. I would be interested in seeing that.
3. How did Jayant Sinha got missed? Father or his felicitation of some lynching accused?
4. Sad to hear even sushma swaraj also not join the govt, given her health conditions. She really gave a human touch to the conduct of foreign ministry
5. Not very happy with even Dr Harshvardhan on Science and Tech too, coz the country needs to focus on multiple things, but I think that is being taken care of through Niti Ayog.
6. AS's appointment as HM is something that should send a chill down the spine of BIF.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 31 May 2019 16:41

ani_sharma wrote:Help me understand this with more clarity - Why Amit shah choose HM?

Because crores of Bangladeshis eating into resources of nation ... have to be stopped from compounding, properly sealed borders at Bangladesh...

Prodigious organization skills of Chanakya Bhai Amit will be used...

Naxalite problem has to be uprooted and Sangh has been countering it for decades now there knowledge to UPROOT it will be executed by a maestro...

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Thanks for correcting Srin ji, my recollection was faulty