Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

[la.khan]

Perhaps BJP needs to take advantage of the situation, attract the remaining 6 and close Congress shop in TG for good..

One of the six Cong(I) MLAs is TPCC head honcho Uttam Kumar Reddy who got elected to LS in GE2019. So, he needs to resign from TS legislature. BJP needs to find a strong candidate and go all out to win the bypoll; as you said, rest of them can be snared too. In TS, BJP's final goal should be to down the shutters of TDP & Cong(I)

[Dumal]

Ok.. ok.. Dumeel is the sound of a gunshot fired in old movies...when there is no real bullet fired but just the sound... more than the sound used in the movies dumeel is how people recount the sound from those scenes when discussing.

So when there is sound without substance that is dumeel! It is a lie.

[Sachin]

campaign dynamics are different in each state, and a lot different in TN compared to west/north. Here people took the schemes for granted and retained the bad propaganda against modi. Local BJP failed abjectly to counter and go on offensive.

Having lived there some years, gone to school and university there, it’s clear there’s an ingrained political sentiment that views all politics solely thru the DMK vs ADMK prism, and the state simply decides to switch between the two every 5 years.

TN & KL, I guess have lots of things in common when it comes to political thought process. In TN, the anti-Hindi agitation is still a very strong sentiment, which the DMK groups have been able to constantly exploit. And it was not the BJP who tried forcing Hindi down the throats of TN people, but the very "secular" Congress. But TN based parties have now mastered the art in using this ill-thought plan of Congress against any one forming the central government.

Both the states also seems to actively encourage a kind of superiority complex amongst the general populace by spreading a message that the states survived without any help from any other state (or the central governments). TN, any way is more industrially developed and also self sufficient when it comes to agriculture. KL on the other hand tried to use the 100% literacy, and the fat remittances (and black money) coming from the Middle East to flout their material well being. The state level parties actively encouraged this thought, so much so that the general population very strongly believes that they are self reliant, and need not depend upon Indian Union (and other states) for their well being. My observation is that such sentiments are very strong in people who are also working for the various state government departments. And most of such characters generally do not travel outside the state in any official capacity, and have no clue on how the rest of India is. Keeping the people in this kind of "dream world" also helps the state level parties; the common people are not going to question the state governments much. KL is a classic example for sending in MPs to Parliament who has not been able to do any lobbying; even when the "seculars" were running the show. They just try to play smart by using their MPLAD funds. TN I feel is slightly better here, because their MPs are known to have better clout in the Lok Sabha .

In KL, the local Hindu community is pretty much dhimmified. There are caste based issues on one hand, and plus there are no more powerful groups/families of Hindus in KL any more. Business is perhaps what keeps the economy and state going, and this area is predominantly in the hands of RoL and RoP who have a natural inclination to take up business and do well in it. So much so that today they have the maximum money to spare. And this wealth also allows them to get into good relationships with the state governments, as well media houses etc. As the saying goes; one who pays the piper, calls the tunes. None of the major media establishment in KL can survive by antagonising RoL and RoP people. If there is even a minor thought of Hindu resurgence (for example, Sabari Mala temple issue) the communists would be focusing on stamping it down, with active support of media houses etc. And in general people are also kind of kept in a trance of 100% literacy, false sense of superiority, and intellectual what-aboutery. In TN perhaps such an eco system do exist, but I am not too sure.

In such well entrenched setup, BJP or any other party would find it tough to get a foot hold. There cannot be a single way to fix all these. Point #1, there has to be leaders in BJP who have a long term vision, rather than just being fixers & wheeler-dealers in for some quick money. Point #2, these people need to have the inclination to take help from their cadre in the rest of India. They should be focusing on getting the central government to look into long time national security issues happening in their states. In TN & KL, Hindu religion is generally practised at home and if there are no major causes of concern people would remain "secular" (and quickly go for a plate of beef ). The commies and "seculars" are also fine with this arrangement.

BJP will never win here. Those castes(radhakrishnans, sreevivasans etc) will check out(migrate). The two dogmatic systems will clash and state will experience unrest and instability. At this point, the syrians(both hindu syrian and christian syrian) will migrate upwards to south karnataka.

There are NO Hindu syrians . There are only Syrian Christians. And they are the most assimilated group in KL. Migration of youth etc. is happening in KL for ages together. Earlier it was limited to Middle East (and for the lucky ones Europe and US). But thanks to IT-Vity etc., a lot of Kerala youth now also migrate to other parts of India. The advantage is that they also get to know about other Indian states and have a better idea on national integration. A lot of such people have "converted" from communism to Hindutwa.

[nvishal]

There are NO Hindu syrians . There are only Syrian Christians

When syrians came to kerala, they gradually converted to all three(hinduism, Christianity, Islam). But only the Christian variety keeps its pre-indian identity/roots. The Hindu and Muslim Syrians have completely discarded it. The skin tone of Syrians is unique compared to fair skinned Indians from Tamil nadu and many in up north. The curly hair(almost nappy) on Syrian men also gives away their ethnic identity.

[Lilo]

There are NO Hindu syrians . There are only Syrian Christians

When syrians came to kerala, they gradually converted to all three(hinduism, Christianity, Islam). But only the Christian variety keeps its pre-indian identity/roots. The Hindu and Muslim Syrians have completely discarded it. The skin tone of Syrians is unique compared to fair skinned Indians from Tamil nadu and many in up north. The curly hair(almost nappy) on Syrian men also gives away their ethnic identity.

nvishal ji,
As if there are not enough worthless divisions amongst Hindus being played up by "seculars" in kerala, you have now discovered a "Syrian" racial division based on "vision based genetic analysis" hain ji?
Super.

[Krita]

There are NO Hindu syrians . There are only Syrian Christians

When syrians came to kerala, they gradually converted to all three(hinduism, Christianity, Islam). But only the Christian variety keeps its pre-indian identity/roots. The Hindu and Muslim Syrians have completely discarded it. The skin tone of Syrians is unique compared to fair skinned Indians from Tamil nadu and many in up north. The curly hair(almost nappy) on Syrian men also gives away their ethnic identity.

Like Mar Thomas Leeha who have never been to India and died in Europe but has hundreds of shrines dedicated to him. Which year did Syrians migrate to Kerala and for what reason. Who are the muslim and Hindu Syrians (have to congratulate you on this totally original propaganda).

[Singha]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Thomas_Christians

[nvishal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Thomas_Christians

These ones are the christian variety

The Hindu and Muslim syrians have discarded their old foreign(Syrian) identity and is purposefully undocumented. By doing this, it has allowed them to claim whatever local(Indian) lineage/caste they want to. It's a kind of anti-persecution defence mechanism.

To fellow members,
I have no intension of creating any divisions

[Krita]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Thomas_Christians

These ones are the christian variety

The Hindu and Muslim syrians have discarded their old foreign(Syrian) identity and is purposefully undocumented. By doing this, it has allowed them to claim whatever local(Indian) lineage/caste they want to. It's a kind of anti-persecution defence mechanism.

To fellow members,
I have no intension of creating any divisions

Care to substantiate with some proofs. Who are these Hindu syrians- Nairs, Ezhavas, Thiyyas? If it is purposefully undocumented and happened a millenia ago. How come uou know about it?
Migration from North to South and vice versa existed from ancient times and that might be reason for diverse skin tones.o
The so called purest of the pure Knanaya Christian's Syrian and jewish orgin theory jave no basis. Some of them claim they were Namboodaris and others believe they migrated from middle east.The Spanish Priest's claim that Thomas leeha's had never visited India and died in Europe was also quitely buried.

[OmkarC]

Perhaps BJP needs to take advantage of the situation, attract the remaining 6 and close Congress shop in TG for good..

One of the six Cong(I) MLAs is TPCC head honcho Uttam Kumar Reddy who got elected to LS in GE2019. So, he needs to resign from TS legislature. BJP needs to find a strong candidate and go all out to win the bypoll; as you said, rest of them can be snared too. In TS, BJP's final goal should be to down the shutters of TDP & Cong(I)

No, Uttam Kumar had already resigned.. TRS waited till he resigned to bring down the CLP strength to 18, and enticed 1 more to reach the 2/3rds number. Perhaps more were willing to join, TRS didnt feel like paying

[ramana]

NEWS18 » POLITICS1-MIN READ
12 of 18 Congress MLAs in Telangana Dump Party After Election Rout, Seek to 'Merge' With TRS
If the Speaker accepts their request, the Congress may lose the Opposition party status as its strength will come down to just six.

Speaker has accepted their request, as they're 2/3rds of the total number. But this defection is not a result of party rout during LS polls, as 11/18 were already planning to join before the general elections.

Perhaps BJP needs to take advantage of the situation, attract the remaining 6 and close Congress shop in TG for good..

I think this is a strategy to give KCR more power so he can check BP rise with his partner Jagan on the other side.
Basically Congress has nothing to do with any future moves that happen as they are powerless.

Its like tactical withdrawl.

Let see how this shapes up.

[ashbhee]

Prof R Vaidyanathan analysis of situation in Tamil Nadu. Very scary situation!

[Lilo]

x-post from internal security thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNsnrl- ... e=youtu.be

Five Cows being illegally transported for slaughter after being stuffed inside a small car are rescued by Hindus.
These meek animals suffered relentless pain after being tied up in excruciating positions and as seen in the video few are dead & rest are on the verge of death.

Can anyone identify the dialect of Tamil being spoken.. Is it Kerala-TN border (palghat ,sengottai gap etc) or somewhere else ?

Lateredit : License plate being held by the guy shows KA- Karnataka so maybe Kar-TN border

[arvin]

Modi visited kerala today and offered prayers at guruvayur temple.

https://www.livemint.com/politics/news/ ... 87451.html

A visit so fast after assuming power leads me to think, bjp sees a hugh potential here, just like what happened in bengal. The speech was in hindi so people connect seems to be there. The temple is always crowded, and people broke into modi chants the moment he entered the premises as seen on TV. Although bjp didnt win any seat this time, but compared to 2014 the actual votes were significantly higher( 63% more?).

pappu based out of kerala is also a god sent oppurtunity, as he is a modern day mahisasura with proven track record of turning into dust whatever he touches. Hope Congi in kerala also meet the same fate.

[khatvaanga]

There has been some chatter on how an ordinance on Sabarimalai would have fetched 2-4 seats in Kerala. After looking at AP, TN in GE I am not sure it would have helped. Btw Modi will be in Tirupati on 9th. Hopefully a better translator this time...

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[Lilo]

x-post

More Malayalis join IS in Afghanistan

KOZHIKODE: The fall of Islamic State (IS) in its strongholds in Syria and Iraq and the death of many IS cadres have not deterred Malayalis from joining the terror group.

It has been revealed that a Malayali couple — Sunayil Fewas and his wife Sameena — working in the UAE along with their three children have joined the IS in January 2019. Both are engineering graduates from a college in Malappuram and have studied in the same class, sources said. The couple, hailing from Valanchery in Malappuram, travelled from the UAE to Tehran in Iran before moving to Nangarhar province, which is controlled by the IS, in Afghanistan.

Sources said that the girl, whose family resides at Kuttiady in Kozhikode, was not a very religious person before marriage. It is not known how both got radicalised.

Two families and a bachelor from Kannur had joined the Islamic State in Afghanistan in the same period. Among them, Anwar, who migrated with his wife and three kids, is believed to have been killed shortly after his arrival in Afghanistan. There is no information about Sajid, his wife and two kids and Nisamudeen who joined the terror group along with the families.

Almost half of those who went to Afghanistan from Kasargod and Palakkad in 2016 are
believed to have been killed in bombings by the US forces. This include Shajeer Mangalassery Abdulla, Hafeesudeen, Marwan, Murshid, Rashid Abdulla and Yahya. Former activists of the Popular Front of India (PFI) from Kannur who joined the IS in Syria, including Shameer, Shajil, Abdul Qayoom and Manaf are also suspected to have been killed.

Meanwhile, it has been revealed that one Firos from Kasaragod, who is currently in Syria, has expressed his desire to surrender and come back to Kerala. Sources said that he had contacted some of his relatives two months ago to know about what cases could be filed against him if he returns to Kerala. It is learnt that only two or three Malayalis are left in Syria and they are finding it hard to cope with the situation after the IS lost its areas. But those in Afghanistan are trying to portray a rosy picture of the life under the ‘Islamic Khalifate’. The messages sent by a Malayali from Kasaragod said that life is normal in the Nangarhar province except intermittent bombing by the US forces in some areas. Will Pappu sponser a Resolution in the Lok Sabha that these "Designated Terrorists should have their Passports withdrawn as they will now perpetrate in Islamic Terrorism on Return to India Chance Would Be A Fine Thing!

“There is everything here including school, hospital, medical stores and land for cultivation. The Eid celebration here is as in our country. We have good food and new dresses. On Eid, we go to masjids with weapon in our hands. We go for fighting when the ‘call of jihad’ comes. Some become ‘shaheed’ (martyr), some get injured and some return in normal state, ” the message said. All the more reason that they should stay there!

Cheers

[Sachin]

License plate being held by the guy shows KA- Karnataka so maybe Kar-TN border

This would be more likely KA-KL border (Kasaragod Dt. in Kerala & Dakshina Kannada in KA). This area has been infamous for the rampant cattle smuggling and related incidents. Many a time the anti-cow slaughter groups have given back it in good measure to the peacefools who generally indulge in this business. It is very rare to see cattle trading happening between KA & TN; both are not a very good market for beef. It invariably would be towards KL.

A visit so fast after assuming power leads me to think, bjp sees a hugh potential here, just like what happened in bengal. The speech was in hindi so people connect seems to be there. The temple is always crowded, and people broke into modi chants the moment he entered the premises as seen on TV.

There seems to be also some other minor fun stories associated with the visit. That of the ComPol Thrissur City and the District Collector ensuring a warm welcome to the PM, and also ensuring that the media photographers capture it. ComPol Thrissur city received a lot of criticism in the way he behaved at Sabari Mala (and also sheepishly apologized when he tried to dictate terms to a judge). The district collector (could be a crypto) is also a considered as a promising chamcha to the communists. ComPol Thrissur has also received his transfer orders to move to Cyber Investigation team at PHQ in KL. Rumours are that Pon Radhakrishnan et. al did use their parliamentary privileges to question the officer's behaviour.

But I guess N.Modi, A. Shah & BJP have got KL firmly on their radar screens now. The PM said he would work for people who voted against him, in he same way he would work for people who voted for him.

There has been some chatter on how an ordinance on Sabarimalai would have fetched 2-4 seats in Kerala. After looking at AP, TN in GE I am not sure it would have helped.

. Good that BJP did not fall for this trick. If Modi & co issued an Ordinance in the Sabari Mala case;
i) no one can predict how the courts would have behaved
ii) it lays the entire blame on Modi & Co
iii) thankless people in KL would vote for CPI(M) since their problem has any way been solved. So it was a good move to keep the issue in suspended animation.

Today;
i) Commies have got such a drubbing in KL, that even the ministers now openly say that voters got reminded of Lord Ayyappa when they went for voting, and forgot all the "good things" (??) commies gave them. Commies now realise that they messed up the entire thing and would be forced to take some corrective measures now. The onus has now fallen on the communists to ensure that the sanctity of Sabari Mala is not further destroyed and if they play any new tricks; it would just antagonise Hindus further and BJP would take political mileage out of the same..
ii) The Supreme Court themselves messed up things when they gave sermons like "lady staff would not work for Hizzoners". Now if they want such a scheme, this was what Lord Ayyappa was asking for as well. Secondly there are a number of PILs now pending an Hon. SC and the way things have been articulated it would not be easy to uphold the previous verdict.
iii) People in KL also know that the issue has not been resolved. They hoped for Ra.Ga and Co to rule the country and he would help them at Sabari Mala. Now that is not possible. So their hope still has to be on the BJP.

[Peregrine]

Lilo Ji : Your Post 09 Jun 2019 13:14

Many thanks for X Post to this -a more appropriate Thread.

Cheers

[Philip]

Language is the key issue why the BJP has had little success in TN and to a lesser extent in Kerala and the south barring Karnataka .Bengal and Kerala, two very literate states in the country, traditionally had a very healthy debate on political systems, why the Left had these two as its bastions.Remember that Kerala was the first state in the world to elect a Commie govt. ,other nations had violent revolutions.In fact Kerala's habit of electing the opposition at every election resembled Sri Lanka before Jayawardene brought in the presidential system, the bane of that nation. Even in Karnataka there has been Kannada chauvinism that spouts from time to time the last time over milestones.

In TN, the BJP has had no dynamic and charismatic leaders who could sway the voters.The best known and widely respected saffron individual in TN is Gurumurthy, but he is a creative thinker rather than a political hustler who has to establish a large dedicated organisation on the ground and steadily increase membership amongst the youth.This is a tall task and the recent controversy over the 3- language issue highlighted the pro- Tamil Dravidian sentiment which lies just beneath the surface of the Tamil people. Another issue likely to erupt is the O& G drilling in the Cauvery delta, the rice bowl of the state and the fear of an environmental catastrophe if it is allowed to happen.The centre must send a couple of respected leaders to the Rajya Sabha , have at least one minister from TN and see that central focussed development aid properly executed on time, will turn voters favourably towards the party at the next hustings.

[la.khan]

In other news, from Hyderabad old city, karma catching up with RoPers
Akbaruddin undergoing treatment in London
Akbar Owaisi’s health condition deteriorates, Asaduddin Owaisi appeal to pray

[chetak]

In other news, from Hyderabad old city, karma catching up with RoPers
Akbaruddin undergoing treatment in London
Akbar Owaisi’s health condition deteriorates, Asaduddin Owaisi appeal to pray

a few bullets to the stomach will do that to anyone.

the guy was involved in a shootout a few years back.

[ramana]

What is his ailment that needs treatment in London?

[chetak]

What is his ailment that needs treatment in London?

a few bullets to the stomach will do that to anyone.

the guy was the target of an assassination attempt a few years back.

[ramana]

Sachin, In the Kerala Floods thread members were clamoring for BJP to issue ordinance!!!
Now its being regarded as wise move not to issue it.

BTW SC has found itself in a trap of own making.
All their rulings are specific to Hindu religion only.
This gives the impression that they are targeting the Hindus.

[darshan]

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/andhra-ch ... lgrim-site
Andhra: Christian Missionaries Illegally Construct Church On Forest Land Near Famous Hindu Pilgrim Site

[Sachin]

After poll fiasco, Kerala govt likely to give a second thought on Sabarimala
So looks like the commies have finally realised that their attempts to target the Hindu religion has backfired big time in Kerala. I don't trust the commies 100% (treachery is quite natural to them), but looks like there would be some face saving gimmicks lined up. It is quite obvious that the various gang of young women who tried gaining entry were all known to GoKL and certain police officers; so now it would be quite easy for GoKL to tell them to lie low.

The commies have also realised that keeping the temple issue alive is only going to bring in more votes to INC and the BJP. The INC is poised to get more mileage, because the state level BJP leadership in KL is pathetic. But net-to-net, the communists would take the maximum hit . Otherwise jobless "national leadership" of the commies also knows that their goose is cooked if commies are ousted from KL as well.

Sachin, In the Kerala Floods thread members were clamoring for BJP to issue ordinance!!!
Now its being regarded as wise move not to issue it.

Yes I agree. To be frank, a lot of Ayyappa pilgrims preferred the easy way out; i.e central government brings in the ordinance. I will not blame them, because all of them wanted a quick solution (how ever legally flawed it could be). But looks like the central government and national level BJP leadership did not panic and had a better thought strategy put in place. The beauty of the Hindu philosophy in Kerala is that for every wrong done at a Hindu temple there are prayaschitha karmas/pariharas defined . The head-priest & the chief-priests can do these rituals, if certain wrong doings are done at the temple without their support. So here an "evil" ruler (the elected government) did some thing which the priests could not prevent. Now that things have got settled, things can be easily brought back to normalcy, and Lord Ayyappa would continue to give his blessings. Infact this whole debacle, I feel has actually increased HIS divinity .

I am reminded of a skirmish video scene; where hordes of Arabs attack a British Army coy. The brits do not panic - give it to their training - they hold their ground; form a "battle square" and wait for the Arabs to be within their musket range. The Arabs thinking numerical superiority comes charging in; only to face well aimed and well timed musket fire from the red coats. The BJP was the red coats and commies were the Arabs here .

[RajD]

Breaking news: Jagan appoints his evangelist uncle Yehowa Vincent Subbareddy as chairman of the board of trustees at Tirumala Shrine. Mrs. Sudha Murthy resigns.
Ghor Adharm.. so much for the purported Ghar wapsi of Jagan...
Sorry if already posted before.

[fanne]

It is sad to to see that anyone can piss on us without any fear

[Kashi]

And not a peep from the powers that be...

[manju]

I think enough is enough. We have had enough of you and your asinine divisiveness.

I do know about the Telegu speaking community in TN, and also know you dont give a darn about TN, but just want to troll using them as an excuse. Your posting history speaks for itself and has been nothing but disruptive and graceless.

Banned for 3 months.

Mods, you guys are great.. you have lot patients for tolerating this guy

[chetak]

And not a peep from the powers that be...

this is the only thing that reddy has to trade with, the one single thing.

so, he is trying to push some buttons and in all likelihood, he may well end up poking the bear.

I was just reading somewhere today that 91% of the muslims and 80% of the xtians have consolidated strongly against the BJP.

I didn't get the corresponding Hindu consolidation figures for the Hindu's for Modi but it will be a very considerable figure.

If the news about the chairman of the board of trustees at Tirumala Shrine is actually true, there will be a savage social backlash that will consume the judiciary and force the govt to enact legislation regarding the Hindu control of Hindu temples.

this will be the straw that broke the camel's back.

It will have huge repercussions, especially in the south and the NE

[ramana]

Sachin, Bear with me.
I think there was a defacto plan by Congress to make LDF walk into Sabarimala trap.
The Congress by keeping quiet emboldened LDF into getting hyper on Sabarimala.
The SC gave tacit approval to LDF with their judgments. (SC thought they are striking a blow at NaMo)
Net effect LDF lost the LS elections and is on life support.
IOW Congress in Kerala played upon the unique features of LDF and SC to get what they wanted which is LS seats.

A unintended consequence is Hindus 1in 6 to 8 have voted for BJP in Kerala

[Rony]

Breaking news: Jagan appoints his evangelist uncle Yehowa Vincent Subbareddy as chairman of the board of trustees at Tirumala Shrine. Mrs. Sudha Murthy resigns.
Ghor Adharm.. so much for the purported Ghar wapsi of Jagan...
Sorry if already posted before.

YV Subba Reddy is a Hindu. Jagan's extended family is not all Christian. Both Subba Reddy and his wife are practicing Hindus. But this is nepotism no doubt. He could have appointed someone non-controversial not related to his family. The real issue is if Subba Reddy can withstand the Christian Evangelical pressures from his own first family ( Jagan's mother, his sister, his evangelical brother-in-law) and root out the Christians from TTD and maintain the sanctity of Tirumala.

[ShyamSP]

And not a peep from the powers that be...

this is the only thing that reddy has to trade with, the one single thing.

so, he is trying to push some buttons and in all likelihood, he may well end up poking the bear.

I was just reading somewhere today that 91% of the muslims and 80% of the xtians have consolidated strongly against the BJP.

I didn't get the corresponding Hindu consolidation figures for the Hindu's for Modi but it will be a very considerable figure.

Non-Hindu consolidation is triggering Hindu consolidation and vice-versa, otherwise how can BJP win North India.

If the news about the chairman of the board of trustees at Tirumala Shrine is actually true, there will be a savage social backlash that will consume the judiciary and force the govt to enact legislation regarding the Hindu control of Hindu temples.

this will be the straw that broke the camel's back.

It will have huge repercussions, especially in the south and the NE

There is wrong notion that they are after Tirumala Shrine. There may be such incidents in YSR era by enthusiastic bible holders near temple. But in actuality, there is a lot of wealth surrounding that they are after. When they made case for Jagan before 2014, BJP took it easy on him to get its own political advantage so BJP got that Karma in Karma kitty. It is less likely there is much goes on in this front now that Sushma Swaraj is rumroed to be AP Governor. Cozy relation of Sushma Swaraj -> Bellary Reddy -> Jagan Reddy will keep away any action on AP CM for some time.

Unlike Muslims, fighting with Christians is tough. You can provoke or don't provoke, Muslims do bad deeds for you including fighting physically that can be caught by law. Christians won't do that, so using backlash to solve temple issues instead of going in proper route is not correct. Backlash in Kerala was provided by commies not non-Hindu religion even if they worked against Hindus in the background.

Temples issue is simple for government to give direction, instead BJP is choosing political advantage to solve even simple issues. Besides, when BJP person had whole Temple ministry for 4 years nothing was done (whether intentionally or not) to solve any temple matters at lease in AP.

[chetak]

this is the only thing that reddy has to trade with, the one single thing.

so, he is trying to push some buttons and in all likelihood, he may well end up poking the bear.

I was just reading somewhere today that 91% of the muslims and 80% of the xtians have consolidated strongly against the BJP.

I didn't get the corresponding Hindu consolidation figures for the Hindu's for Modi but it will be a very considerable figure.

Non-Hindu consolidation is triggering Hindu consolidation and vice-versa, otherwise how can BJP win North India.

If the news about the chairman of the board of trustees at Tirumala Shrine is actually true, there will be a savage social backlash that will consume the judiciary and force the govt to enact legislation regarding the Hindu control of Hindu temples.

this will be the straw that broke the camel's back.

It will have huge repercussions, especially in the south and the NE

There is wrong notion that they are after Tirumala Shrine. There may be such incidents in YSR era by enthusiastic bible holders near temple. But in actuality, there is a lot of wealth surrounding that they are after. When they made case for Jagan before 2014, BJP took it easy on him to get its own political advantage so BJP got that Karma in Karma kitty. It is less likely there is much goes on in this front now that Sushma Swaraj is rumroed to be AP Governor. Cozy relation of Sushma Swaraj -> Bellary Reddy -> Jagan Reddy will keep away any action on AP CM for some time.

Unlike Muslims, fighting with Christians is tough. You can provoke or don't provoke, Muslims do bad deeds for you including fighting physically that can be caught by law. Christians won't do that, so using backlash to solve temple issues instead of going in proper route is not correct. Backlash in Kerala was provided by commies not non-Hindu religion even if they worked against Hindus in the background.

Temples issue is simple for government to give direction, instead BJP is choosing political advantage to solve even simple issues. Besides, when BJP person had whole Temple ministry for 4 years nothing was done (whether intentionally or not) to solve any temple matters at lease in AP.

by backlash i meant public opinion will force the govt to act and act in a legal way

[OmkarC]

And not a peep from the powers that be...

this is the only thing that reddy has to trade with, the one single thing.

so, he is trying to push some buttons and in all likelihood, he may well end up poking the bear.

I was just reading somewhere today that 91% of the muslims and 80% of the xtians have consolidated strongly against the BJP.

I didn't get the corresponding Hindu consolidation figures for the Hindu's for Modi but it will be a very considerable figure.

If the news about the chairman of the board of trustees at Tirumala Shrine is actually true, there will be a savage social backlash that will consume the judiciary and force the govt to enact legislation regarding the Hindu control of Hindu temples.

this will be the straw that broke the camel's back.

It will have huge repercussions, especially in the south and the NE

Not sure the above prediction will work out in Andhra and/or TN at this stage. Andhra has lots of religious folks, but just like TN, Hindu religion is just not strong enough a binding factor to galvanize people into action.

That said, I have been hearing different stories about this YV Subbareddy person.. some say he is a devout Hindu and there are WhatsApp pictures of him in Ayyappa Deeksha, doing homams from 2-3 yrs back. Whether is he a just a regular Hindu with Christian relatives or a typical crypto-EJ fooling Hindus through public farces of religious display, is not definitively known.

Also note that a lot of these rumours are coming from TDP social media who dont have BJP's best interests in mind and of course dont want a good Jagan-Modi bonhomie.

[OmkarC]

Local media in Andhra that some former Faction leaders from Rayalaseema are thinking of joining BJP.. These guys have enmity with Jagan's family for several generations and joined TDP only for having political patronage.

TDP is now not going to be in the corridors of power whether in state or centre for several years and they need protection of some sort.

Lots of grey areas Shah/Modi have to navigate here..

[chetak]

this is the only thing that reddy has to trade with, the one single thing.

so, he is trying to push some buttons and in all likelihood, he may well end up poking the bear.

I was just reading somewhere today that 91% of the muslims and 80% of the xtians have consolidated strongly against the BJP.

I didn't get the corresponding Hindu consolidation figures for the Hindu's for Modi but it will be a very considerable figure.

If the news about the chairman of the board of trustees at Tirumala Shrine is actually true, there will be a savage social backlash that will consume the judiciary and force the govt to enact legislation regarding the Hindu control of Hindu temples.

this will be the straw that broke the camel's back.

It will have huge repercussions, especially in the south and the NE

Not sure the above prediction will work out in Andhra and/or TN at this stage. Andhra has lots of religious folks, but just like TN, Hindu religion is just not strong enough a binding factor to galvanize people into action.

That said, I have been hearing different stories about this YV Subbareddy person.. some say he is a devout Hindu and there are WhatsApp pictures of him in Ayyappa Deeksha, doing homams from 2-3 yrs back. Whether is he a just a regular Hindu with Christian relatives or a typical crypto-EJ fooling Hindus through public farces of religious display, is not definitively known.

Also note that a lot of these rumours are coming from TDP social media who dont have BJP's best interests in mind and of course dont want a good Jagan-Modi bonhomie.

let's just wait and see.

the truth will soon out, one way or the other.

[chetak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok9WTEcrcjA


How Are Muslims Viewing PM Modi's Victory? In Conversation With Arif Mohammad Khan

[vimal]

^^ duplicate post and how is this related to this thread?