Terroristan - May 1, 2019

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 01 Jul 2019 21:25

Quote: "Hadn't Afridi said a long time back that Indians have a small heart?"
Did he say Hinduyon ki zehniyat hi aisi hain? Or was it some other cricketer?
Gautam

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 01 Jul 2019 22:04

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2003988/2- ... -payments/

Pakistan begins receiving Saudi oil on deferred payments

Saudi Arabia will begin supplying oil to Pakistan on deferred payments at the start of new fiscal year in July, the kingdom’s embassy in Islamabad said on Monday.

“Pakistan will start receiving monthly oil supplies worth $275 million from Saudi Arabia with effect of July 1, 2019,” the embassy said in a notification. “These supplies will continue over the next three years, with a total value of $9.9 billion,” it added.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 01 Jul 2019 22:25

g.sarkar wrote:Quote: "Hadn't Afridi said a long time back that Indians have a small heart?"
Did he say Hinduyon ki zehniyat hi aisi hain? Or was it some other cricketer?
Gautam

That was Sohail Tanveer. He said that in frustration at not being able to partake in the IPL and pick up a fat paycheque for a few weeks work, but the irony is that it was his own board who was responsible for ending his IPL career. Back when GOI had no objection to Pakis playing in the IPL, the PCB who were under some grand delusion that their cricketers were some kind of irresistible attractions that no tournament could do without, denied their players permission to play in the IPL for a year, to snub the BCCI and India. Sure enough, the IPL that year was a spectacular success without anybody bothering about Pakis and their antics. GOI/politicians have short memories but the BCCI remembers and takes revenge for every single slight that they might have been caused, and engineered things so that Pakis have effectively been banned from the IPL (it was only in later years that due to terrorism etc the GOI themselves banned them) without explicitly banning them, by making it impossible for any franchise to pick a Paki

(Imran Tahir or Usman Khwaja don't count as they are international players for non-Pak countries).

Afridi (known as Afretard on our cricket forums) also had a cousin who got pest-e-shaheeded by our forces after he crossed the LOC to partake in jeehard.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 01 Jul 2019 22:37

Bart S wrote:
g.sarkar wrote:Quote: "Hadn't Afridi said a long time back that Indians have a small heart?"
Did he say Hinduyon ki zehniyat hi aisi hain? Or was it some other cricketer?
Gautam
That was Sohail Tanveer. He said that in frustration at not being able to partake in the IPL and pick up a fat paycheque for a few weeks work, but the irony is that it was his own board who was responsible for ending his IPL career. Back when GOI had no objection to Pakis playing in the IPL, the PCB who were under some grand delusion that their cricketers were some kind of irresistible attractions that no tournament could do without, denied their players permission to play in the IPL for a year, to snub the BCCI and India. Sure enough, the IPL that year was a spectacular success without anybody bothering about Pakis and their antics. GOI/politicians have short memories but the BCCI remembers and takes revenge for every single slight that they might have been caused, and engineered things so that Pakis have effectively been banned from the IPL (it was only in later years that due to terrorism etc the GOI themselves banned them) without explicitly banning them, by making it impossible for any franchise to pick a Paki (Imran Tahir or Usman Khwaja don't count as they are international players for non-Pak countries).

Afridi (known as Afretard on our cricket forums) also had a cousin who got pest-e-shaheeded by our forces after he crossed the LOC to partake in jeehard.

You arer right about BCCI having a long memory. Kapil Dev today is persona non grata after the whole ICL thing, you never see him at any official function. Everyone else like Gavaskar etc are always there.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 01 Jul 2019 22:46

Here's a video of Tanveer I had tweeted some time ago
Link

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 02 Jul 2019 00:52

Yes, Sohail Tanveer, the name came back to me. Thanks Bartji. Heard: Dhoni took revenge for the removal of army insignia. Pakistan was the prime objector of the Balidaan insignia on his gloves, no other team objected. He then showed what a great finisher he is by losing to England and simultaneously finishing off Pakistan.
Gautam

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 02 Jul 2019 01:06

https://youtu.be/RYlrDTdiNqA?t=144

Is Husain Haqqani really a Pakistani?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 Jul 2019 01:35

Apparently ten percenti sat for interview with Hamid Mir. Two minutes into the broadcast, they got a call and program had to be taken off air.

Apparently Hamid Mir then had an interview about the previous interview being cancelled. Apparently they got a call and that interview couldn't air either.

New ISI boss seems to have taken his job seriously.

Remember a few years back everyone was like "Pakistan's media is so vibrant. Impossible to have a coup now. Indian media is so timid"

partha · Post by **partha** » 02 Jul 2019 02:11

^
And here is DAWN writing an entire editorial about Modi Govt stopping advertisements to some media outlets calling it anti press tactics.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1491181

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 02 Jul 2019 02:41

sanjaykumar wrote:https://youtu.be/RYlrDTdiNqA?t=144
Is Husain Haqqani really a Pakistani?

Former Pakistani Ambassador to the US. A great opponent of current Pak policies. Presently he is exiled and can not return to Pakistan. It seems he wrote a memo advocating direct US military action in Pakistan. He certainly had Pak nationality, Allah knows if he still is one or he may have taken up US citizenship.
Gautam

Rohit_K · Post by **Rohit_K** » 02 Jul 2019 02:41

JF-17 bandar being pushed by 15+ PAF personnel at the Paris Air Show

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 02 Jul 2019 03:43

g.sarkar wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote:https://youtu.be/RYlrDTdiNqA?t=144
Is Husain Haqqani really a Pakistani?
Former Pakistani Ambassador to the US. A great opponent of current Pak policies. Presently he is exiled and can not return to Pakistan. It seems he wrote a memo advocating direct US military action in Pakistan. He certainly had Pak nationality, Allah knows if he still is one or he may have taken up US citizenship.
Gautam

I have never heard or read him stating that he is a Muslim. (I have no intention of trying to put a marker on him. He, of course cannot be considered Muslim enough as it is. One wonders who exactly is in his khandaan).

partha · Post by **partha** » 02 Jul 2019 05:23

sanjaykumar wrote:
g.sarkar wrote: Former Pakistani Ambassador to the US. A great opponent of current Pak policies. Presently he is exiled and can not return to Pakistan. It seems he wrote a memo advocating direct US military action in Pakistan. He certainly had Pak nationality, Allah knows if he still is one or he may have taken up US citizenship.
Gautam

I have never heard or read him stating that he is a Muslim. (I have no intention of trying to put a marker on him. He, of course cannot be considered Muslim enough as it is. One wonders who exactly is in his khandaan).

FWIW, he used to be an active member of Jamaat-e-Islami once upon a time.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 02 Jul 2019 05:27

Sanjayji,
It is not possible for a Hindu, Sikh, Christian or Jew to become a Pakistani ambassador to Sri Lanka or the US. Specially the US, where a good deal of military aid and other aids were funneled into Pakistan and it is important to be loyal to the fauj. Yes, there have been some exceptions to this. At one time there was a Hindu Chief Justice. But that was the exception that proved the rule. I would refer you to an article by Derek O'Brien, MP. After 1947, a branch of his family stayed over in Pakistan. When Mr. O'Brien's brother visited this side of the family, he was surprised to find that they had mostly embraced Islam. Apparently they converted because this was the only way to progress in Pakistan. Higher paid and influential jobs jobs are open only to Muslims (uizderek.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-obriens-of-india-and-pakistan_13.html, and http://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/cover ... 2012-08-11). Wikipedia states that while he was a student in Karachi, Mr. Haqqani joined Islami Jamiat-e-Talaba, the student wing of the Jamaat-e-Islami. In my opinion this makes him a Muslim, though he may not be one now.
Gautam

CalvinH · Post by **CalvinH** » 02 Jul 2019 06:46

Anujan wrote:Apparently ten percenti sat for interview with Hamid Mir. Two minutes into the broadcast, they got a call and program had to be taken off air.

Apparently Hamid Mir then had an interview about the previous interview being cancelled. Apparently they got a call and that interview couldn't air either.

New ISI boss seems to have taken his job seriously.

Remember a few years back everyone was like "Pakistan's media is so vibrant. Impossible to have a coup now. Indian media is so timid"

Thats a new high in the censorship...

Are the live broadcast really live? or are they recorded few hours earlier and thus can be prevented from broadcast?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Jul 2019 08:51

partha wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote:I have never heard or read him stating that he is a Muslim. (I have no intention of trying to put a marker on him. He, of course cannot be considered Muslim enough as it is. One wonders who exactly is in his khandaan).
FWIW, he used to be an active member of Jamaat-e-Islami once upon a time.

We appreciate him as long as he speaks the truth regarding Pakistan. The touchstone for truth regarding Pakistan is what we discuss here in BRf. But, we can and should never trust a Pakistani otherwise. Simple RoT.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 02 Jul 2019 09:12

He seems to be free thinker in both senses of the term. Indian intelligence may have helped him out of Pakistan/turned him, although that is the less charitable view. His books are available in Pakistan which argues against the latter. Of course I doubt they are available in Urdu translation.

Certainly he affirms and consolidates much of the exertions on BRF. In fact he validates much of India's position.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Jul 2019 09:27

‘Dawood’s top henchman’, a Pakistani, fights extradition to US after being duped by FBI agents - Naomi Canton, ToI

Undercover FBI informants infiltrated the top ranks of Dawood Ibrahim’s D-Company, trafficked heroin into the US and laundered more than $1 billion of the proceeds of narcotics crime before seeking the arrest of his “top henchman”, a court heard on Monday.

Pakistani national Jabir Motiwala, who uses the surname Siddiq, is contesting extradition to the US where he is wanted to face trial for conspiracy to commit money laundering, blackmail and extortion and conspiracy to import heroin into the US.

The 52-year-old was arrested at the Hilton Hotel in Paddington here in August last year by the Metropolitan police’s extradition unit on behalf of the US government and is now in Wandsworth prison, alongside Nirav Modi.

On the first day of his three-day extradition trial on Monday, John Hardy QC, representing the US government, revealed that as part of an FBI investigation of D-Company, which is based in Pakistan, India and the UAE, at least three FBI “confidential sources” had met and spoken to Motiwala “who made it clear to them he was with the D-Company”.

“The head is Dawood Ibrahim, an Indian Muslim in exile in Pakistan. He and his brother have been fugitives from India since 1993 and over the past 10 years D-Company operatives have conducted operations in the US. The FBI investigation revealed that Motiwala reports directly to Dawood and that extortion, debt collection and money laundering are his main job and he travels extensively and conducts meetings on behalf of Dawood who cannot travel,” Hardy said.

Motiwala, who lives in Karachi and has a 10-year visa to the UK, appeared in the dock at Westminster magistrates’ court and kept his eyes cast on the ground.

One of the FBI informants, a Pakistan-born US citizen, attempting to facilitate criminal dealings with the D-Company, met Motiwala, a “top lieutenant in the Dawood empire”, in the US in 2011, and in Pakistan in 2011 and 2012, Hardy said.

Motiwala introduced the source to a co-conspirator who is the lead money launderer for D-Company, he said.

The US agent then laundered more than $1 billion of narcotics proceeds from D-Company and made cash deposits in the US, making them appear to come from legitimate transactions, Hardy said.

“During the meetings in Pakistan in 2011 the FBI source and Motiwala discussed debt collection and extortion by D-Company in the US and abroad and how D-Company uses its reputation for violence and the ability to reach family members in Pakistan and India to resolve business disputes and pressure them to pay up. On one occasion, $80,000 was collected from two lower level D-Company associates in New Jersey and Motiwala demanded 40% of the payment for having helped collect the debt.

“The D-Company collects fees of up to 50% for collecting the money in a dispute,” Hardy added.

The court heard that on the US agent’s first trip to Pakistan, in September 2011, he inquired about importing heroin and was introduced by Motiwala’s co-conspirator to a heroin and hash supplier.

In 2014 a 4-kg sample of heroin was shipped from Pakistan to New York via Toronto where it was seized. The FBI informant told Motiwala the quality was “so bad so he could not sell it” and could not pay off the drugs debt. “Motiwala responded in traditional fashion by invoking Dawood and threatening his life,” Hardy said.

The US agent then made a partial payment of £19,500 (Rs 16 lakh) into a bank account controlled by Motiwala. “He plays the role of facilitator and debt collector,” he said.

Edward Fitzgerald QC, representing Motiwala, said “evidence was obtained in Pakistan without authority”, which was a breach of international law and sovereignty which renders prosecution that results from that “an abuse of power and process”.

Citing the case of alleged computer hacker Lauri Love, whose extradition to the US was turned down by the London high court in 2018 because it would put him at high risk of suicide, Fitzgerald said Motiwala suffered from severe depression, as did his whole family in Pakistan, that he had attempted suicide three times, and extraditing him to the US would “be oppressive”.

He added a life sentence without parole — which Motiwala was likely to receive — was “inhuman” and a breach of Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR.)

In 2003, the US government declared Dawood Ibrahim a specially designated global terrorist having links with Al-Qaeda and financing the activities of the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and other terrorist organisations. Dawood is widely believed {absconding accused} to have masterminded the March 1993 Mumbai bombings.

partha · Post by **partha** » 02 Jul 2019 10:12

SSridhar wrote:
partha wrote: FWIW, he used to be an active member of Jamaat-e-Islami once upon a time.
We appreciate him as long as he speaks the truth regarding Pakistan. The touchstone for truth regarding Pakistan is what we discuss here in BRf. But, we can and should never trust a Pakistani otherwise. Simple RoT.

Agreed. The reason I mentioned about his J-e-I link is because the topic of discussion was his religion. I like how Indian media and think tanks are using him and madame unfair to help shape narrative on Pakistan.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 Jul 2019 14:04

https://theprint.in/opinion/is-pakistan ... er/257035/

Ayesha Siddiqa is peddling the story that Bajwa wants peace with India, wants UK as intermediary and has told them that Pakistan is more inclined to the west than China the interest rates were too high? Not long back Pakistan was threatening the US that if US does not supply arms and ammo and money, they will turn to china). Read it in full, some excerpts:

If anything, there were four objectives of the tour: find a via-media to improve relations with the US that would relieve the immediate financial pressure on Pakistan; reduce pressure of poor India-Pakistan relations from the latter; recruit the British government to play the role of a strategic intermediary, and use London as platform to convince the international community that the general could do the job of turning Pakistan around, especially as far as delivering Taliban to the American negotiation table and cleaning the country of jihadis, and peace with India was concerned.

The army chief also addressed a larger audience of over a hundred people in an off-the-record meeting at the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS)....General Bajwa had good news for his audience – the army was committed to putting an end to all militants

Bajwa also seems willing to play the long game of engagement with the US, which is why in London he insisted that Pakistan was more naturally inclined towards the West than China.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 02 Jul 2019 14:08

These guys have not paid enough for Pulwama, I hope we do more to bring down their military capability.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 02 Jul 2019 18:25

Nawaz to eat jail food!

LAHORE: The Punjab government has decided to withdraw food-from-home facility from former prime minister Nawaz Sharif who is imprisoned in Kot Lakhpat jail, reports Geo News late Monday night.

Sources said the jail administration would order withdrawal of the facility that Nawaz has been availing since his days in Rawalpindi’s Adiala Jail anytime this week. After withdrawal of the facility, the former premier would have to be content with the jail food.

Cheers

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 Jul 2019 22:20

Already there are numerous articles in the press about how Dimran wants peace with India and Bajwa wants to crack down on terrorists and how they are all statesmen with whom India can do business.

It is Paki propaganda as usual and hopefully the Modi govt does not fall into the track 2, track 3, uninterrupted and uninterruptible dialog rabbit hole.

The government was willing to talk peace. Uri, Pathankot, Pulwama attacks were foisted upon us after that.

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 02 Jul 2019 22:22

Hajam Sethi is back in Shitistan and living dangerously.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 02 Jul 2019 23:17

sanjaykumar wrote:https://youtu.be/RYlrDTdiNqA?t=144

Is Husain Haqqani really a Pakistani?

sanjaykumar Ji :

Hussain Haqqani is the son in law of Abul Hassan Isphani who was Terroristan's First Ambassador to the Washington DC USA!

Cheers

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 03 Jul 2019 01:13

^^^ thoroughly RAPE

http://thepartitionofindia.blogspot.com ... e.html?m=1

Manu · Post by **Manu** » 03 Jul 2019 01:48

g.sarkar wrote:Sanjayji,
When Mr. O'Brien's brother visited this side of the family, he was surprised to find that they had mostly embraced Islam.

"Embraced"? More like capitulated to..

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 03 Jul 2019 02:41

Anujan wrote:https://theprint.in/opinion/is-pakistan ... er/257035/

Ayesha Siddiqa is peddling the story that Bajwa wants peace with India, wants UK as intermediary and has told them that Pakistan is more inclined to the west than China the interest rates were too high? Not long back Pakistan was threatening the US that if US does not supply arms and ammo and money, they will turn to china). Read it in full, some excerpts:

If anything, there were four objectives of the tour: find a via-media to improve relations with the US that would relieve the immediate financial pressure on Pakistan; reduce pressure of poor India-Pakistan relations from the latter; recruit the British government to play the role of a strategic intermediary, and use London as platform to convince the international community that the general could do the job of turning Pakistan around, especially as far as delivering Taliban to the American negotiation table and cleaning the country of jihadis, and peace with India was concerned.

That is rich! Why didn't we ever think of it? British mediation, just the perfect solution to the Kashmir problem. Wait, weren't they the cause of the problem in the first place?

Why does a seasoned academic like Prof Siddiqa even imagine a situation where the British government could help? Is India going to accept further British meddling in return for say Mallya? I doubt it. Any such idea will be met with the characteristic disdain of the GoI.

"relieve the immediate financial pressure on Pakistan" - translates to me as "begging the US for resumption of CSF".

"use London as platform to convince the international community" - what community? The ones assembled there for the World Cup? It will be a success if Bajwa can get the Bangladesh or SL team to tour Pak.

"delivering Taliban to the American negotiation table" - Trump resoundingly bypassed the Chinese in reaching out to fat boy Kim. I think bringing the Taliban to negotiate will take just one tweet.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 03 Jul 2019 04:42

Anujan wrote:https://theprint.in/opinion/is-pakistan ... er/257035/

Ayesha Siddiqa is peddling the story that Bajwa wants peace with India, wants UK as intermediary and has told them that Pakistan is more inclined to the west than China the interest rates were too high? Not long back Pakistan was threatening the US that if US does not supply arms and ammo and money, they will turn to china). Read it in full, some excerpts:

If anything, there were four objectives of the tour: find a via-media to improve relations with the US that would relieve the immediate financial pressure on Pakistan; reduce pressure of poor India-Pakistan relations from the latter; recruit the British government to play the role of a strategic intermediary, and use London as platform to convince the international community that the general could do the job of turning Pakistan around, especially as far as delivering Taliban to the American negotiation table and cleaning the country of jihadis, and peace with India was concerned.

The army chief also addressed a larger audience of over a hundred people in an off-the-record meeting at the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS)....General Bajwa had good news for his audience – the army was committed to putting an end to all militants

Bajwa also seems willing to play the long game of engagement with the US, which is why in London he insisted that Pakistan was more naturally inclined towards the West than China.

All these reasonbable-seeming Paki liberals play a double game with credulous Indians. In the 90s before Pokhran-2, Pervez Hoodbhoy was running around addressing Indian aman-ki-asha types, telling them that Paki jarnails are a fearsome bunch who won't hesitate to nuke India if their ghairat was threatened.

I noticed recently that Khaled Ahmed in Indian Express was urging India to grab the opportunity for peace with Pakistan, and seal its (India's) rightful place in SoothAsia.

Now this from Ayesha Siddiqa. I suspect it's part of their deal with ISI--they project ISI's soft power to gullible Yindoos, and in exchange ISI won't kill them.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 03 Jul 2019 04:44

Peregrine wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote:https://youtu.be/RYlrDTdiNqA?t=144

Is Husain Haqqani really a Pakistani?
sanjaykumar Ji :

Hussain Haqqani is the son in law of Abul Hassan Isphani who was Terroristan's First Ambassador to the Washington DC USA!

Cheers

That Isphani is the "almost-gora warriors on horseback conquering India" guy, right?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 Jul 2019 04:50

Ahem! A bird tells me that the word "Naam-o-nishaan mit jayega" was used during the conversation between two people, preceding the release of WgCo Abhinandan.

A satellite imagery and Intel expert suggests a missile explosion, just south of the hardened bunkers in the Khuzdar missile depot.
Wonder if this was the result of Green Painted mijjile mis-phyrring or a Brahmos warning shot.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 Jul 2019 04:53

Hussain Haqqani is a Shia, just like scientist Pervez Hoodbhoy

Suspected Qadianis:
1. Army Chief Qamar Javed Bajwa
2. Zaid Zaman Hamid: One reason he was arrested in KSA might be related to this.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 03 Jul 2019 05:18

Haqqani is almost certainly Shia, given his name. I have noticed a greater willingness to be associated with something Indian by Shias of late. We all gotta hedge our bets.

But this fellow seems to accept that he is part of an Indic civilisation. He can’t quite say it explicitly as there will be ramifications for any political career if he ever can return to Pakistan. Bajwa is supposed to be Ahmedi. That is beyond the (Isphani) pale. They are not considered Shia at all. Hoodbhoy is an Ismaili. They had at one time a connection with a Hindu sect. There is a dearth of information on this and has probably been expurgated from their collective memory.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 03 Jul 2019 05:20

Peregrine wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote:https://youtu.be/RYlrDTdiNqA?t=144

Is Husain Haqqani really a Pakistani?
sanjaykumar Ji :

Hussain Haqqani is the son in law of Abul Hassan Isphani who was Terroristan's First Ambassador to the Washington DC USA!

Cheers

In Fact Paki embassy in DC was his property which he sold to GOP.
MMS sold part of Indian embassy land to Saudi for peanuts to build that mosque on Embassy row,

sum · Post by **sum** » 03 Jul 2019 05:55

AoA!!!!

Shami is Muslim, he was giving his best: Razzaq

Razzaq praised Shami for being a Muslim and giving his best performance for the country but criticised the other bowlers for not living up to expectations. "Shami to hai bhi Musalman, jo ki achi baat hai. Wo pura jor laga raha tha match mein (It is a...

Guess the Pakis are not really muslims since they are not trying their best!

CalvinH · Post by **CalvinH** » 03 Jul 2019 06:10

What can Pakistan offer to west for bringing India to the table?
The only thing is to control AFG Taliban to allow a safe exit for US. For that they need to betray Taliban leadership and face a civil war in KPK. Whether khaki has that kind of control over Taliban is another question.

Bajwa has seen the writing on the wall though. He may come to the full Taqiyya mode. He has been talking about having good economy for sometime now. His position in Paki economic council, first for a General also reflects that. That’s why I believe that sooner or later the Khaki will replace IK.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 03 Jul 2019 07:44

US labels BLA as terrorist org ?
https://www.dawn.com/news/1491688/us-br ... rist-group

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Jul 2019 08:04

There are a few other important Shia Pakistanis, apart from the Great Leader himself, who shaped early Pakistan and its present day decline. They are, Aga Khan, Raja of Mehmudabad and M.A.Ispahani.

Aga Khan is the leader of the Sevener sect (Ismailis) and he led the (in)famous Mussalman Delegation to wait upon Viceroy Minto in Simla in c. 1906 and impress upon him the need to consider the Muslims separately in any political arrangement that the British were contemplating to introduce in India. Specifically, he demanded a separate electorate in the proposed local elections. This laid the foundation for separation (as much as Curzon's partition of Bengal).

The Raja of Mehmudabad was not only a generous fund-giver for Pakistan but he eventually reconciled the rift between Jama'at-e-Islami's Abu Ala al Mawdudi (who called Jinnah as Kafir-e-Azam) and the Great Leader that led to the eventual migration of Mawdudi to Pakistan (great riddance for India for which the Raja must be praised by us) and the rest is history.

Of course, there was also Iskander Mirza, the great grandson of the Shi'a Mir Jaffar, who oversaw the 1947 tribal invasion of J&K and then the war with India. He has the dubious distinction, apart from being a Mir Jaffari, of imposing the first of the many martial laws in Pakistan.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 03 Jul 2019 09:31

Gagan wrote:Ahem! A bird tells me that the word "Naam-o-nishaan mit jayega" was used during the conversation between two people, preceding the release of WgCo Abhinandan.

A satellite imagery and Intel expert suggests a missile explosion, just south of the hardened bunkers in the Khuzdar missile depot.
Wonder if this was the result of Green Painted mijjile mis-phyrring or a Brahmos warning shot.

Modi used the term "qatl ki raat" in one of his election speeches.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 03 Jul 2019 10:37

Something happened that night.

They couldn’t wait to be rid of Abhinandan.