Slowly and Surely their strategy is emerging. The strategy 2019-24 is surely emerging.Saba Naqvi
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Jul 2
Fascinating....How BJP Supporters Turned A Fight Over Parking Into A ‘Terror Attack’
That's the approx. strength of c-system at different levels. I considered worst case scenarios when coming up with the numbers. They might be much lower than that.khatvaanga wrote: syam ji i didnt understand your statement about using numbers.
Can you spell out what you mean when you say "fight?" I gave my idea. I think we need to spell out specific actions and explain how they will help.vijayk wrote:
We need to fight these demons day in and day out. While these demons are blaming BJP/RW, CONs are blaming Modi/Shah for not acting and ISIS journalists like Rana Ayyub are egging on Msulim to go full scale war on roads
Slowly and Surely their strategy is emerging. The strategy 2019-24 is surely emerging.Saba Naqvi
Verified account @_sabanaqvi
Jul 2
Fascinating....How BJP Supporters Turned A Fight Over Parking Into A ‘Terror Attack’
This looks like mischief of Kejriwal. The Sikh flareup ten days back was being instigated by a Sikh MLA of AAP, while this Muslim flareup was instigated by a Muslim MLA of AAP from Chandi Chowk. Last year, it was reported on TV that AAP workers dressed up in saffron stood in front of a mosque in Delhi waving swords. They were identified later when the ring leader's photo with Kejri went viral. Kejri seems to be in the grip of foriegn forces and may be taking instructions from abroad. His sudden rise was very suspicious. Kejri is trying to Islamicize Delhi by arranging migration of Bihar Muslims to Delhi.Mort Walker wrote:Republic TV claims that AAP operatives instigated the Muslim youths into ransacking the temple and attacking the family. Delhi police control room was called 6 times and it took them more than hour to arrive on the scene.
No argument against here.KLNMurthy wrote:Just to be clear, it wasn’t a throwaway line. I believe the current spate of incidents is a continuation of Death By a Thousand Cuts Under the Nuclear Umbrella doctrine.A_Gupta wrote:
That is excellent. I would not term your wanting that as "rhona-dhona".
https://twitter.com/DrAMSinghvi/status/ ... 6756657152pankajs wrote:3. With every passing day that Modi/BJP occupy the central gaddi they continue to shift the "consciousness" of the masses rightwards.
This might be a drama BUT Modi is making folks of every hue and color shift their position even if just for public consumption.Abhishek Singhvi Verified account @DrAMSinghvi
हलाला जायज और एक्टिंग हराम,क्या ऐसे तरक्की करेगा हिंदुस्तान का मुसलमान ? #ZairaWasim
Lets not make such claims about *wanting* riots etc. Anyone sensible would want to avoid them.A_Gupta wrote:Rhona dhona is the crying for some unspecified muscular-seeming action without any specification of what it should be. You guys should state what you want from the unwatered down Hindu blood. Should it be like the riots following Godhra train burning? Should the central police simply sweep in and arrest every person in some particular neighborhood? Should certain people be "disappeared"? Do spell it out.
This is the typical refrain from liberals. All anyone is asking for is the protection of Hindus who have been persecuted for over a thousand years. There must be law and order. Islam and Christianity were imposed on India by force. State and local governments have not responded to the protection of people and property because they are Hindus. That is the reason why people are asking about Modi and Shah to intervene to help them.A_Gupta wrote:Rhona dhona is the crying for some unspecified muscular-seeming action without any specification of what it should be. You guys should state what you want from the unwatered down Hindu blood. Should it be like the riots following Godhra train burning? Should the central police simply sweep in and arrest every person in some particular neighborhood? Should certain people be "disappeared"? Do spell it out.
We need to fight them to gain narrative. They own and co-ordinate worldwide media.KLNMurthy wrote:
Can you spell out what you mean when you say "fight?" I gave my idea. I think we need to spell out specific actions and explain how they will help.
We on this forum know who the enemy dramatis personae are, at least on the Indian side. I feel that there is no added benefit to showing they are the enemy, repeatedly.
The part wherein you mock people having legitimate concerns as doing rhona dhona, dismiss any replies as asking for riots, then bring up a sudden ask for preserving the thread for 2024 elections. At least troll with more subtlety!A_Gupta wrote:What part of "please preserve this thread for the 2024 elections" is difficult to understand?
#Thanks4SayingIt or rather, daring to.Karan M wrote:The part wherein you mock people having legitimate concerns as doing rhona dhona, dismiss any replies as asking for riots, then bring up a sudden ask for preserving the thread for 2024 elections. At least troll with more subtlety!
Top management works on inputs from state leadership. State leadership feels that they will wane away the cadre base of Terrorist Mullah Chor party gradually. Looks like PK has advised Jihadididi to advise her minions to return the commissions they have extorting, and this has caused disenchantment in the rank and file. PK has also advised her to join hands with CPIM and Congress to fight "communal powers". It's time that "irony" is charged with a speeding ticket.ramana wrote:Calm down guys. The Central Police agencies like NIA and CBI have limited scope to work in states with non BJP govt due to the federal structure created by the Constitution. Both need permission of the state govts.
NIA can act only in Terrorism cases.
CBI can act only in economic offenses.
As for dismissing Jihadidi using Art 355, there are SC judgements on this after S.R. Bommai case.
Best option and holy people wont like is to make TMC members resgin in the areas that BJP won and reduce the govt to a minority and call for early elections.
From tea leaves Jihadidi has lost the mandate and is confined to greater Kolkata like the Old Mughals were confined to Delhi and outskirts.
In Kerala the LDF is discredited too.
By same token one could argue the AIDMK is also a lame duck govt.
So it will 2:1
While Bengal could be won by BJP, I don't think the dame with other two for separate reasons.
More important is toe change Karnataka, MP, Rajasthan before all this.
And if this was not enough her star MP Mahua Moitra was found plagiarising a speech (her claim to fame is when she was showing the finger on Arnab's show) from Martin Longman's 12 signs of Fascism article.Good L&O situation is not a very easy promise to keep. There are many agencies involved, and what each group considers as "justice & fair play" is different. But if the belligerent minority communities are kept on a tight leash, that would certainly be a big positive.pankajs wrote:Poor will get their sops, middle class their L&O while the rest can suck their thumbs.
+1. The BJP should now be pushed more to the right-centrist position (with the centrist-left folks, ie the commies thrown out of the window), with a more right-minded party taking up the space. Looks like BJP would now need some reminders on their earlier promises (eg: Union Law Minister Evades Query In Lok Sabha About Centre Bringing Law To Overturn Sabarimala Verdict ).BTW, I agree with that Scientist chap Anand Ranganathan, who opined that we need another party to the right of the BJP to take Mudi on.
Kejri is a Shikhandi who has been introduced by other players just to play his role. So it is also the onus on Delhi voters to ensure that he and his fellow anarchists do not come any where near Delhi's political circles. The AAP's formation itself should be worth an investigation/case study.sanjayc wrote:Kejri seems to be in the grip of foriegn forces and may be taking instructions from abroad. His sudden rise was very suspicious. Kejri is trying to Islamicize Delhi by arranging migration of Bihar Muslims to Delhi.
I get a feeling that some thing is seriously getting planned for dealing with KLramana wrote:In Kerala the LDF is discredited too.
. A.Shah & Co are not clueless and I feel that the pawns in the game have already started falling in place. The Sabari Mala fiasco has now caught the commies on the wrong foot. They need to work on their mitigation plan. But while they are at it; a similar issue is happening within the X'ian community too. SC threatens to jail Kerala top officials over church case. The SC verdict favours on sect, and now GoKL will have to actually "execute" the court order. That is to evict members of the rival sect from certain churches. This is going to cause big rifts (and even a minor flare up) among the X'ian community in Kerala. The commies would certainly see some of their "neutral" sympathisers now having a change of mind. Looks like the plan is to get the commie government into very dicey situations, and make them scared of taking any decisions. Along with that I also feel that there would be now some news leaks which talks about nepotism, misuse of tax-payers money for foreign junket trips etc.https://www.myind.net/Home/viewArticle/ ... esecrated/
Why The Hindu Becomes Silent When His Temples Are Desecrated?
“Why is there silence over the desecration of the temple in Delhi? Forget the media and intellectuals, why are even the ordinary Hindus not speaking up?” A friend asked me in a get together. We both said as Hindus it is very painful for us.
“It is not the desecration of the temple that I find as painful as the silence that has come to engulf it,” I told him.
The silence has come to characterize our psyche and one that has remained unchanged for centuries.
A question on the mind of many is that is this the way the crowds destroyed temples in medieval times too? I believe there are uncanny similarities. The violent crowd then and now had impunity and worked under a religious injunction to do so. In both the Hindus didn’t retaliate or oppose and remained silent spectators. It brings to fore the close relationship between trauma and silence.
A memory comes to my mind. As a psychologist I was testifying as an expert witness on a number of heinous crimes. In one case the victim was a seventeen year old girl and the judge believed the accused was framed by police because the girl didn’t scream, shout or fight but stayed silent. Looking at the report where I had mentioned psychological assessment showed the girl suffering from PTSD, he seemed to have disbelieved it and asked if she was truly traumatized why didn’t she scream and shout but remained silent instead? Why didn’t she try to fight him?
“The girl remained silent, your honor, not because she was consenting to the accused but because the very nature of trauma is such that the victim falls silent under overwhelming threat to life,” I had told him and added that the psychological studies show the Broca’s area concerned with the production of speech in human beings slows down with almost very little activity when facing the traumatic event or traumatic memories are aroused. During the actual event, most victims are unable to shout for this reason. I quoted Bessel van der Kolk, the psychiatrist and pioneer credited with this discovery. The judge had listened and asked for more details which I could provide. I could see his mind towards the accused change after understanding the inner state of the victim and so did his sentencing.
Later the judge had called me to his chamber. He told me he wished he had known this relationship between trauma and lack of speech. He shared that while sentencing, every victim whom he had found not resisting, protesting or screaming against the perpetrator during the crime, he had let the accused go free believing the victim to be lying. “Today, I feel a little guilty of having done so,” and had asked me to give a talk at National Judicial Academy.
I wish to make it clear that in genuine cases, an overwhelming percentage of girls and women find it difficult to give words to their experience of assault, so overwhelming is the whole experience of trauma.
The same applies to soldiers on the battlefield, disaster survivors or survivors of atrocities. Their memory plays hide and seek with them through interfering with the Broca’s area and silence comes to rule over their memory.
Today, we know from researches that what applies to memory of individuals also applies to larger systems. Societies as a whole respond just like individuals. Based on that when they go through a collective trauma the individual members are unable to give words to it, sometimes for fear of life.
Perhaps the deepest trauma for the Hindu society has been the destruction of its temples and the Hindus have gone through it in silence and preserve their memories in silence. Is it any wonder then when each time a temple is destroyed, the Hindu society is unable to raise its voice?
The language of trauma is silence. For prolonged and overwhelming trauma, the silence is that much greater, deep rooted and lodged in our psyche. Silence is the tool by which trans-generational trauma is carried forward as Elie Wiesel said and is the keeper of our memories. Does that mean then for Hindus regeneration of their civilization will take place by breaking this wall of silence and need a healing touch? Till we find and soothe that raw nerve, as a society, will we find the peace within and the momentum to move forward?
I wonder how did the early Hindus react to witnessing of the destruction of their temples? It is not very difficult to imagine. Possibly it was shock and denial in the beginning that gradually gave away to resignation, a sense of helplessness and shame. When the number of temples desecrated reached thousands, the sense of what that led to is not so difficult to grasp. The horror of it would be stored within similar to discovering the Gulag in Russia, the famines that killed millions and the holocaust that killed millions in gas chambers.
When temples were destroyed in Kashmir, the Hindus in rest of India kept silent. I found no articles, no debates, no intellectuals discussing it. Today, when a temple is desecrated in Delhi, the silence of it is deafening. The roots of that silence lie in the trans-generational trauma living in the Hindu psyche described in my book ‘The Infidel Next Door’.
Today, we need men of action who will speak with courage about breaking this silence. We need men who are not afraid of confronting the past but who become the voice of a persecuted race that reminds them that once they were not slaves but masters of their fate. We need men who can rouse the sleeping conscience in our people and create an intellectual minority, however small, that creates a movement destroying the stagnant society we have become.
Deep inside our society there is a fault line, an opening that is now coming out in the open challenging our beliefs. The humiliation that resided deep within now refuses to be there anymore. The Hindu of today is also a Hindu with a choice who selects his own leaders, his own government and calls the country his own like he could never do before in his history. Should he not extend that to his religion for which he has been persecuted like followers of perhaps no other faith in human history?
Rajat Mitra
Psychologist and Author of ‘The Infidel Next Door’
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Even before thatKaran M wrote:In the past, any such attack on Hindu places of worship was met by retaliation.
The British disarmed Hindus. To some degree they did take harsh action to stabilize law and order against all communities, but mostly to protect their own turf from rebellions....
This is the "action" undertaken. Even ABVs admin would have laughed at the current folks given what they did post Tehelka to set the same set of folks to rights. Does anyone think NBJP nexus was any less during that time? Shekhar Gupta @ShekharGupta
Correct. Indira Gandhi onwards, Congress outsourced the responsibility to intellectuals of the Left. Over time, the relationship became symbiotic. Left intelligentsia fattened on the Cong establishment which, in turn, relied on it for ideas. Both are lost for now.
So now you admit that, your ask for keeping the thread focused on 2024 was an effort to " shame" folks over their viewpoints and trying to play mind games? Great.A_Gupta wrote: PS: very revealing how just an ask to remember for five years the "strategies" proposed here made some uncomfortable (and others not at all).
Please write name amir khan and NDTV, otherwise it becomes clickbait promotion for advancement of urban naxal accountsCRamS wrote:Guys, I have a question. Since when did this guy and his token "Hindu" wife who so scared of her fellow Hindus that she wanted to move out of India due to 'intolerance' under BJP, suddenly become a 'water super star' according to DDM?
https://twitter.com/soniandtv/status/11 ... 0637074432
With due respect to Shiv, several of us remember it differently.A_Gupta wrote:Twitter thread:
https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV/status/1 ... 2379161600
or start here:
https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1146641313015554048
Manish_Sharma wrote:Here's an explanation:
https://www.facebook.com/Rashtradharaa/ ... 130443171/
Don't know his name but he gets to bottom of it.
Translation:
Hindu and Muslims are vastly different communities structurwise.
For Example two men have a spat on road in Delhi, a Hindu man with Muslim man. Hindu man slaps Muslim man. So what happens? It will take a muslim at the most 10 minutes to reach nearby Madarssa Or mosque and will complain what happened to him. The mosque/madarssa will telephone/email jama masjid. Who have all the data of mosques and madarassas around that area. Telephone numbers, whatsApp groups. And in few hours you'll have 5000 to 10000 people gathered on road.