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Re: Indian Autos Thread -2

Postby Krita » 21 Mar 2019 19:55

DELETED. MOD Note: No personal attacks will be tolerated here. If you don't have anything better to say, consider keeping mum next time. You are a newbie hence I am letting off with a soft warning this time.

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Postby Raveen » 21 Mar 2019 20:12

Thank you for the personal attack Krita - I own both a German car (not a rebadged VW), and a Japanese car that is light years ahead of Suzuki in quality, features, safety, and sales (you can toss a coin between Honda and Toyota and you'd have a 50% chance of being correct - heck I'd throw in Subaru and make it s 1 in 3 chance).

Does that help Suzuki, I mean Maruti R&D their way into passing a 40 mph crash test?
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Postby Kashi » 21 Mar 2019 20:34

Krita, lay off personal attacks will you.

Perhaps you should explain this "body engineering" that you spoke about and how and cars that would fail crash tests everywhere somehow become fine for India.

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Postby arshyam » 21 Mar 2019 21:03

Krita wrote:
Raveen wrote:

But Maruti invests so much in R&D doesn't make substandard tin boxes that don't sell anywhere else /s



Tin boxes? Which vehicle do you drive , A tesla made of Titanium?
Well, ammbassador is the right car for you, you will feel safe in a rust box.
If you don't have any iota of knowledge in body engineering it would be better if you stop making a fool of yourself.
You can read Donald e Malen for a change atleast to understand the basics.

Ever heard of "customer is king?" No? There is always a first time :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Postby Krita » 21 Mar 2019 21:49

arshyam wrote:
Krita wrote:

Tin boxes? Which vehicle do you drive , A tesla made of Titanium?
Well, ammbassador is the right car for you, you will feel safe in a rust box.
If you don't have any iota of knowledge in body engineering it would be better if you stop making a fool of yourself.
You can read Donald e Malen for a change atleast to understand the basics.

Ever heard of "customer is king?" No? There is always a first time :rotfl: :rotfl:


Customer is always the king saar . The mighty german cars feels cool, till they cough up 24000 for headlamp and 15000 for bumper replacement.Why the costs are high? Germans havent bothered to localise even after 12 years in market. Polo scored a zero star in the first round of GNCAP and the platform in India is 14 years old. Not to mention the dieselgate , Nobody is s saint here. Everyone of them is there to make money.
Ford has provided 6 airbags in Figo, it is a very well engineered car which will get good star ratings from Max Mosely baba's GNCAP. But, how many people put money where their mouth is?
What is the star rating of Nissan Micra, Datsun or kwid brand? : None of them will even meet 1 star GNCAP
It takes INR 2000+ cost up in BIW just to take a car from zero to 5 star (EUNCAP/JNCAP ready cars). For cars like Bolero,Safari storme, Eon. It will take total platform redesign or full model change. No OEM is running a charity everyone wants to make profit Tata, Mahindra, Nissan, Renault.
Nobody will sacrifice the cost advantage and voluntarily offer five star rated cars.
Ignis is a good example, Indian one shares same BIW spec as Japanese and Euro market. But , that has made the vehicle costlier compared to other B segment hatchbacks and it is doing below 5000/month.
It is upto govt to implement stricter crash and safety norms. We run a generation behind current EuroNCAP.
New Santro does not have passenger side airbag in its lowest variant not even an option.
Every OEM are just meeting the regulation in A and B segment hatchbacks in India.

Raveen, Sorry for the flamebait.

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Postby Raveen » 21 Mar 2019 22:00

Krita - its all good my man, and we all understand and agree quality comes at a price.

However, where we disagree is that Suzuki offers quality, and that by not offering the customer the choice of quality, they are doing the customer a favor. I'd say sometimes government enterprises retain the government mindset of "we know best" long after the government is not in-charge. Except, Suzuki can't seem to offer the quality customers want anywhere else either - which is why they don't sell. India unfortunately has bhedh chaal and it will take a few more years for the average customer to understand that the scredrivergiri roadside mechanic with a Maruti logo can't diagnose much on a modern engine.

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Postby Zynda » 21 Mar 2019 22:03

I think that vehicles which are priced beyond 7-8 Lakhs will try to meet GNCAP (like Nexon did) and vehicles in the lower price range (Alto, Santro, Kwid, WagonR) etc., will try to meet the minimum crash norms set by GoI.

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Postby a_bharat » 30 Mar 2019 07:04

INDIA GOES ELECTRIC WITH BATTERY-SWAPPING RICKSHAWS
drive down costs by splitting the vehicle from its most expensive component, the battery. A not quite two-year-old joint venture between electric car maker Virya Mobility 5.0 and solar power company SUN New Energy Systems, SUN Mobility is working with EV makers, providing the batteries for those vehicles. The twist is that SUN retains ownership of the batteries. When they run low, the driver heads to a SUN station and exchanges them for fresh ones, paying only for the electricity he has consumed.

“Our solutions for India need to be a little different,” says cofounder Chetan Maini, a longtime advocate for ditching internal combustion. He built India’s first electric car, the Reva, in 1999. The tiny two-seater ran on lead acid batteries and never broke past novelty status. Today’s lithium-ion batteries offer better performance and pricing, but in India, even a $35,000 Tesla Model 3 is nowhere near workable for the vast majority of drivers. “When you separate the batteries, it’s cost neutral in the immediate term and cheaper in the mid to long term,” Maini says.

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Postby arun » 02 Apr 2019 10:57

Maruti sales decline as car market sees slowest growth in 4 years :

Financial Express

Excerpt:

During the beginning of the fiscal year 2019, SIAM had projected a growth of around 10% for PVs, which it revised downwards after October 2018.

Passenger vehicle sales continued to remain in the slow lane in March — a trend intact for the past nine months — with the country’s top five manufacturers on Monday reporting either a decline or a low single-digit growth. As a result, FY19 would see one of the slowest growth at around 4% in the last four years. last time PV sales had hit a low of 3.9% was in FY15.

The final growth figure for the fiscal will thus be lower than the industry body Society of Indian Automobile Manufacturers’ (SIAM) revised figure of 6%. During the beginning of the fiscal year 2019, SIAM had projected a growth of around 10% for PVs, which it revised downwards after October 2018.

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Postby Aditya_V » 02 Apr 2019 12:03

With BS 6 norms kicking in next year and uncertaintity with respect what political dispensation will be in the country , many people are postponing car purchase decesion by a year or 2

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Postby kvraghav » 02 Apr 2019 13:31

It has nothing to do with bs6. It is simply too expensive to buy a car if not using daily. The insurance cost taxes and fuel prices are insane. I shifted to full time usage of ola during weekends.

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Postby Aditya_V » 02 Apr 2019 15:05

Insurance costs are high since the public thought they were to smart to renew insurance but were getting paid by getting judgement in thier favour, Fuel costs are not that high. Irrespective of OLA, most people will want car ownership, car sales will pick up post 1 April 2020 if a decent Govt is in place.

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Postby Suraj » 09 Apr 2019 01:32

At 5% growth, auto sales hit speed-breaker in FY19
The previous fiscal was one of the toughest for Indian automobile manufactures. Not just cars, but sales of all passenger vehicles and two-wheelers were hurt by poor consumer sentiment and other factors such as mandatory insurance and high raw material prices.

In FY19, domestic car sales grew just 2 per cent to around 22.19 lakh units, against 21.74 lakh units in FY18, said a report by the Society of Indian Automobile Manufacturers (SIAM) on Monday. In FY18, car sales had grown 3 per cent.

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Despite the deceleration in car sales, the fact that CV sales grew almost 18% is very significant, as this is an indicator of rising business investment sentiment.

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Postby mappunni » 09 Apr 2019 09:26

Saar, Why is it that GOI has allowed Chinese SAIC in the guise of MG Motors assemble Chinkiland SUV and sell it in India? Every penny of profit will be routed to Terroristan.

Is there any way to spread awareness of Chinki connection and discourage folks from buying it?

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Postby negi » 09 Apr 2019 11:31

^ Write to the PMO they respond to complaints.

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Postby jpremnath » 09 Apr 2019 12:01

mappunni wrote:Saar, Why is it that GOI has allowed Chinese SAIC in the guise of MG Motors assemble Chinkiland SUV and sell it in India? Every penny of profit will be routed to Terroristan.

Is there any way to spread awareness of Chinki connection and discourage folks from buying it?


We have let the Chini companies Huawei and ZTE build our 3G and 4G telecom infrastructure. You think selling a few SUVs is a bigger deal?

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Postby Manish_P » 24 Apr 2019 12:25

(Mods- pls. delete if this is not the right thread)

Used their service for the first time recently. Nice experience. Fares were half the charges of the Uber/Ola. Aimed at the office goers segment. Very few vehicles now hence booking is an issue. Even after booking you might not get it unless all 3 seats are booked. It would be good if Ola, Uber etc consider, adopt and drive the EV market with goverment help.

Mahindra Glyd electric cab service launched in Mumbai

Mahindra has launched Glyd, a tech-based e-mobility service on select routes in Mumbai. As part of this service, the company has deployed the first batch of 10 Mahindra e-Verito electric sedans. Glyd e-cabs can be booked via Android and iOS apps.

Glyd is aimed at office-going executives and will offer several connected car features such as web-conferencing, curated entertainment and music content. The cars will also be equipped with a privacy screen, air purifier, strain free lighting, bolstered seats, wraparound headrests and armrests.

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Indian Autos Thread -2

Postby Peregrine » 24 Apr 2019 16:36

Second Half Sees Subduded Growth Across All Segments of Vehicles Year Ends with Mere 5% Overall Growth

Production

The industry produced a total 30,915,420 vehicles including passenger vehicles, commercial vehicles, three wheelers, two wheelers and quadricycle in April-March 2019 as against 29,094,447 in April-March 2018, registering a growth of 6.26 percent over the same period last year.

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Postby Krita » 24 Apr 2019 20:12

jpremnath wrote:
mappunni wrote:Saar, Why is it that GOI has allowed Chinese SAIC in the guise of MG Motors assemble Chinkiland SUV and sell it in India? Every penny of profit will be routed to Terroristan.

Is there any way to spread awareness of Chinki connection and discourage folks from buying it?


We have let the Chini companies Huawei and ZTE build our 3G and 4G telecom infrastructure. You think selling a few SUVs is a bigger deal?

Automobile is a whole different ball game. The design, development and testing are complex. MG /SAIC vehicle's reliability is questionable as per reviews on the web. SAIC/MG Rover is nothing but a repackaged GM. Either ways GM was selling SAIC products like SAIL sedan in India which were all a big flop.MG Hector is sold as Baojun 530 and Chevorlet Captiva in some countries.
In the D segment people are more concerned about the brand and they will struggle against the likes of Kia, Tata, Toyota and Honda. Govt has put a clause for local sourcing in FAME 2 for electric cars. So, their cost advantage will be nullified there. Other Chinese OEMS like Great Wall,BYD, Qianjiang( Benelli) are already operating in India. Great Wall had poached a lot of Tata motors employees for it design/devp centre in Pune in 2013-14 period .But, they are yet to launch the planned SUV and Eeco competition. BYD has won some contract for supplying electric buses for Chandigarh. Their strategy for cracking the Indian auto market looks confusing and badly planned. CV space is dominated by Tata, AL and mahindra. Even, Daimler and AL Nissan (now defunct Ashok leyland Nissan JV)-Dost and Evalia/Stile) have failed to dent their market share.

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Postby jpremnath » 24 Apr 2019 20:32

The Chinese are relentless in their pursuit for market share...In GCC where Japs and American cars ruled, they came with their copycat designs and 10 year warranty...plus dirt cheap prices..people ignored them..But they kept at it without withdrawing for 3 or 4 years..Probably sunk millions in $. Finally you could see a few Chinese cars here and there...and now it is quite common..You gotta give to them for that persistence; playing the long game. I am sure their plan will be the same in India..Big discounts, 10 year warranty and attractive features inside..There will always be people who will bite..

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Postby Krita » 24 Apr 2019 21:38

jpremnath wrote:The Chinese are relentless in their pursuit for market share...In GCC where Japs and American cars ruled, they came with their copycat designs and 10 year warranty...plus dirt cheap prices..people ignored them..But they kept at it without withdrawing for 3 or 4 years..Probably sunk millions in $. Finally you could see a few Chinese cars here and there...and now it is quite common..You gotta give to them for that persistence; playing the long game. I am sure their plan will be the same in India..Big discounts, 10 year warranty and attractive features inside..There will always be people who will bite..

To compete in cost they need a good vendor ecosystem. Good VAVE practices a high localization content. Only other way to drive down the cost is by squeezing the vendors. But, vendors won't bite unless the volumes are high. Even Chinese don't prefer their home brands. In GCC, which Chinese brand is selling well? In Indian automobile field the current players are not pushovers. I would love to see them competing with MSIL in pricing. I have worked with Chinese suppliers like LF and Shinyoun tooling. Other than low cost their technical capabilities were lacking. They neither met the schedule for off tool parts nor implemented the Engg change notice on time. Several, Chinese OEMS and Ford Of China has outsourced their complete design work ( Styling to Virtual prototype stage to India). Their only advantage is in electric cars. Even, that is not insurmountable with Tier 1 vendors like Denso and Bosch offering their technology solutions.

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Postby jpremnath » 25 Apr 2019 13:46

^^..true. They cant use the same rule book in India..vastly different markets. In GCC, all they needed was few showrooms /service centers per country.In india, setting up that ecosystem will take them ages..Many have tried and failed..AFAIK, most of the MNC biggies except Hyundai are still in red. And I didnt mean Chinese cars are outselling the competition. When they came, everyone pooh poohed them. But in 4 or 5 years, they not only didnt shut shop, but manages decent sales...Still way low in the sales figures compared to the established players though..While the Indian players are totally absent even with decent build quality.

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Postby nandakumar » 25 Apr 2019 14:45

jpremnath wrote:^^..true. They cant use the same rule book in India..vastly different markets. In GCC, all they needed was few showrooms /service centers per country.In india, setting up that ecosystem will take them ages..Many have tried and failed..AFAIK, most of the MNC biggies except Hyundai are still in red. And I didnt mean Chinese cars are outselling the competition. When they came, everyone pooh poohed them. But in 4 or 5 years, they not only didnt shut shop, but manages decent sales...Still way low in the sales figures compared to the established players though..While the Indian players are totally absent even with decent build quality.

Suzuki, Honda, Volkswagen, BMW and Toyota are other MNCs that make money in automobile business in India. Mahindras consistently make money in India. Even Tata Motors have started making money in domestic market. They do have a large commercial vehicles business. But cars are becoming profitable. A general rule of thumb in Indian car market is if you have to wait for three months for a model that means it is profitable. Tatas have managed that with Nexon, Tiago and their recent SUV models.

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Postby Supratik » 26 Apr 2019 00:00

Is Bajaj thinking of the car market by experimenting with the quadricycle qute? India needs another couple of domestic car manufacturers apart from Tata/Mahindra.

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Postby Zynda » 22 Jun 2019 09:50

The bill that is about to change your driving habits forever

The way India drives may be finally set to change. Reports have revealed that the Road Transport and Highways ministry is likely to approve the changes proposed in the Motor Vehicles Bill at its next meeting.

The Motor Vehicles (Amendment) Bill contains a range of provisions that will go a long way in making Indian roads safer. It was being opposed by various opposition parties for curtailing the powers of states and favouring corporates.

Listed below are the most important ones among the measures proposed by this vital bill.

- The government will provide compensation of Rs 2 lakh or more to the victim's family in cases of hit-and-run fatalities. The current provision is just for Rs 25,000.

- In cases of traffic violations by juveniles, the guardian/owner of the car will be held responsible — unless they can prove that the offence was committed without their knowledge or they tried to prevent it. The juvenile will be tried under the Juvenile Justice Act. The registration of the vehicle involved will stand cancelled.

- Minimum fine for drunk driving has been increased from Rs 2,000 to Rs 10,000. The penalty for rash driving has been hiked from Rs 1,000 to Rs 5,000.

- Driving without a licence will attract a minimum fine of Rs 5,000 (it's Rs 500 at present). Over-speeding will set you back by Rs 1,000-2,000 (currently Rs 400). Driving without wearing seatbelt would attract a fine of Rs 1,000 as against Rs 100 at present.

- Talking on mobile phone while driving will attract a fine of Rs 5,000, up sharply from the current Rs 1,000.

- Vehicles whose components/engine do not meet the required standards will have to be recalled. Manufacturers can be fined up to Rs 500 crore over sub-standard components or engine.

- A 6-month time limit has been specified for applying for compensation to the Claims Tribunal in road accident cases.

- Aadhaar will be compulsory for getting a driving licence and vehicle registration.

- Civic agencies, contractors, consultants will be accountable for faulty design, construction or poor maintenance of roads causing accidents. ( :rotfl: BBMP & its corrupt officers along with equally corrupt contractors will have a serious objection to this clause...)

- The cap on liability for third-party insurance will be removed. The 2016 Bill had put a cap on the maximum liability at Rs 10 lakh for death and Rs 5 lakh for grievous injury.

- The time limit for renewal of driving licence is increased from one month to one year before and after the expiry date.

- There is a provision for protection of Good Samaritans — the ones who come forward to help accident victims will be protected from civil or criminal liability. It will be optional for them to disclose their identity to the police or medical personnel.

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Postby RajD » 22 Jun 2019 10:48

[quote="Zynda"]The bill that is about to change your driving habits forever

[quote]Over-speeding will set you back by Rs 1,000-2,000 (currently Rs 400).[unquote]/


Some clauses seem to be already in force. I've been charged 1000rs twice once for eastern free way and another for estern Express highway in Mumbai when I exceeded the limit by only 3km/hr, @83km/hr.
And all this through CCTV. Describing the incident with photo, speed and date. And I found it when going through parivahan app one fine day. On instance was almost an year old.

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Postby Rishirishi » 27 Jun 2019 16:41

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2019/06/12/ ... ce=Bibblio

India’s lithium gigafactory ambition raised to 50 GW, tender likely soon
The government is considering financial incentives such as import and export duty waivers to woo battery manufacturers to set up a globally competitive manufacturing base in India.



This is huge about 10 times the Gigafactory of Tesla. I think it should be sufficient to produce 1 million Electric vehicles per year. It is estimated to be implemented by 2022.

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Postby darshan » 19 Jul 2019 19:06

Disappointing.

MG is a British automotive brand currently owned and operated by Chinese automotive giant SAIC Motor Corporation Limited. Originally, the brand was owned by M.G. Car Company Limited, a British sports car manufacturer, that brought it to fame.


MG India To Accelerate Production Of Hector SUV At Gujarat Plant After All Units Get Sold Out For 2019
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/mg-india- ... t-for-2019

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Postby mappunni » 21 Jul 2019 05:48

darshan wrote:Disappointing.

MG is a British automotive brand currently owned and operated by Chinese automotive giant SAIC Motor Corporation Limited. Originally, the brand was owned by M.G. Car Company Limited, a British sports car manufacturer, that brought it to fame.


MG India To Accelerate Production Of Hector SUV At Gujarat Plant After All Units Get Sold Out For 2019
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/mg-india- ... t-for-2019


Exactly, Its foolish of us to feed the Chinese Snake and not expect it not to bite. I have managed to discourage at least 4 of them from touching this Chinese POS.

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Postby Mort Walker » 21 Jul 2019 06:05

Rishirishi wrote:https://www.pv-magazine.com/2019/06/12/indias-lithium-gigafactory-ambition-raised-to-50-gw-tender-likely-soon/?utm_source=Bibblio

India’s lithium gigafactory ambition raised to 50 GW, tender likely soon
The government is considering financial incentives such as import and export duty waivers to woo battery manufacturers to set up a globally competitive manufacturing base in India.



This is huge about 10 times the Gigafactory of Tesla. I think it should be sufficient to produce 1 million Electric vehicles per year. It is estimated to be implemented by 2022.


PV magazine is hot air. Pie in sky stuff which rarely sees any fruition. I would be very reluctant to believe anything they say. There is the potential for tenders and then actually issuing them and seeing who responds.

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Postby disha » 25 Jul 2019 11:27

Here is a ready reckoner on the new DMV bill. I think it still has to pass RS

https://www.carblogindia.com/what-all-has-changed-in-the-2019-motor-vehicles-amendment-bill-complete-list/

Offence Old Fine New Fine
General 100 500

No License 500 5000

Driving
without
qualification 500 10,000

Dangerous Driving 1000 Up to 5000

Overspeeding 400 2000

Drunk Driving 2,000 10,000

Accident by Minor – Owner to be held guilty with a fine of Rs 25,00 and 3 years imprisonment

Seat Belt 100 1000

Vehicle Without permit 5000 10,000

No Bus Ticket 200 500

.....
.....

2. Vehicle Recall
With this change, the Central Government can now recall vehicles in case the said vehicle might cause damage to the driver or other vehicles on the road. Earlier, only the manufacturer of the affected vehicle could issue the recall.

3. Compensation for road accident victims
The kin of the victims affected in the hit and run cases will now get 2 Lakhs in case of death and Rs 50,000 in case of grievous injury. Also, the government is planning to develop a scheme which will allow cashless treatment of road accident victims for a time period of up to one hour following the injury.

....

5. Compulsory Insurance

In the 2019 Motor Vehicles Amendment Bill, a new fund will be put to provide compulsory insurance cover for treatment of persons injured in road accidents as per the golden hour scheme, compensation to the kin of the victim if dead and injured, and to a person specified by the central government.

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Postby Karthik S » 25 Jul 2019 15:49

Wish they included online registration transfer and application for other state vehicles. Or one country one road tax like GST.

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Postby Zynda » 11 Sep 2019 20:12

I support the increase in fines for auto violations but at the same time, the Govt should also ensure that many wrong doings on their ends which result in violations are eliminated. A couple of days ago, I almost ran a red light...reason the signal was green and suddenly all 3 colours lighted up at the same time. Took me a couple of seconds to process what is going on and thankfully I stopped (about a sec later the actual red light came about). The cab behind me got agitated and started honking while I was deciding during those moments when all 3 lights were ON. Point is, in those time critical moments, it may become over whelming and few vehicles in my same situation did not stop and ended up running a red light. If the police catches violators, the above can be cited but most probably, will still end up getting fined with a rider that it can challenge the fine at court. Which means additional hassle of running to court and all while there was fault from the city as well in the form of a malfunctioning traffic light. The new traffic law states that contractors & municipal authorities will be fined as well but I am really sceptical about it from happening.

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Postby ricky_v » 11 Sep 2019 20:44

Already, gujarat has reduced the fines to a tolerable value and wb has refused to implement the act in its current form alltogether. The ones who get stuck are the uts having no say in the matter.
On a personal note, i plan to buy a bicycle that too second handed for purchasing necessities and to travel by apps when foraying far. No money of mine will end up in the governments kitty atleast for this venture, nor will i travel with all my identifications, passport, species license in my fanny pack whenever i leave the house.

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Postby Raveen » 11 Sep 2019 21:16

ricky_v wrote:Already, gujarat has reduced the fines to a tolerable value and wb has refused to implement the act in its current form alltogether. The ones who get stuck are the uts having no say in the matter.
On a personal note, i plan to buy a bicycle that too second handed for purchasing necessities and to travel by apps when foraying far. No money of mine will end up in the governments kitty atleast for this venture, nor will i travel with all my identifications, passport, species license in my fanny pack whenever i leave the house.



Good for you, the Uber/Ola driver still has to comply with the laws, so no difference other than personal inconvenience for you.

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Postby arshyam » 11 Sep 2019 22:46

ricky_v wrote:Already, gujarat has reduced the fines to a tolerable value and wb has refused to implement the act in its current form alltogether. The ones who get stuck are the uts having no say in the matter.
On a personal note, i plan to buy a bicycle that too second handed for purchasing necessities and to travel by apps when foraying far. No money of mine will end up in the governments kitty at least for this venture, nor will i travel with all my identifications, passport, species license in my fanny pack whenever i leave the house.

While I agree with your complaint about stiff fines (my pet peeve is the amount of discretionary leeway given to the traffic police without commensurate checks on them), what's the hassle in travelling with valid documents in the vehicle? That's the norm the world over...

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Re: Indian Autos Thread -2

Postby Vayutuvan » 12 Sep 2019 03:24

Mort Walker wrote:PV magazine is hot air. Pie in sky stuff which rarely sees any fruition. I would be very reluctant to believe anything they say. There is the potential for tenders and then actually issuing them and seeing who responds.


Moreover, if there is only one responder to a tender, the tender is scrapped, IIRC. Is that correct?

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Postby ricky_v » 12 Sep 2019 15:02

arshyam wrote:While I agree with your complaint about stiff fines (my pet peeve is the amount of discretionary leeway given to the traffic police without commensurate checks on them), what's the hassle in travelling with valid documents in the vehicle? That's the norm the world over...


you see sir, the red and blue Chevron on multitude of vehicles, the harmless looking P, rickshaws bearing fascinating symbols crammed with 7-8 people asking for directions from the traffic police and no one batting an eyelid everyday you commute, because I sure do.
What incentive is there for me for sheepish compliance, when the majority of people are never going to be stopped. When there were no rules that was for everybody, now I fear that it will be selective.
So, the summation for your query is paranoia and pessimism, though since none are germane to the thread, I will leave it at that


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