J&K Union Territory-2019

[khan]

Another thought is, the current UN move could be laying the groundwork for more UN intervention after the Pakistani Army does something suicidal & runs to the UN to pull their chestnuts out of the fire.

This is the only card they have left.

Please try to think strategically here & don’t make juvenile arguments like “UN P5 are all colonialists & hypocrites so what they think doesn’t matter”. This is ridiculous, this type of Nehrugiri doesn’t work.

What is needed, at a minimum, is a diplomatic offensive from India to explain to the whole UNSC what is going on & through persuasion or coercion get them to accept India’s stance.

[vera_k]

Well, if thinking strategically, then India has to subsume Pakistan. UN or not doesn't enter the picture, just like the League of Nations did not stand in the way. The UN is a useful body to buy time, that's all.

[disha]

Tomorrow UNSC is planning to fa*t on Kashmir in "closed door" : WTH is that?

You know why the closed door meeting?

It is to discuss the future of Shaksgam and Gilgit/Baltistan.

fUK wanted Gilgit/Baltistan to be part of Bakistan as part of Great Game, using that it can keep watch on FSU and China and control the politics in central asia, particularly afghanistan.

Of course with fUK going down Bakistan, US is interested in Gilgit/Baltistan. FSU (i.e., Russia) needs to have a control. China wants Gilgit/Baltistan under its wing so that it can do OBOR via Bakistan. It already has shaksgam valley.

Banditji & his progeny - the CONgoons really really really screwed this up. Basically, an area which is India's is now being discussed under UNSC.

UNSC will of course will come out with a fart. It will be a stink for India. India has to wrinkle its nose and bear it and concentrate back on Mission Cashmere. That is break up of Bakistan.

Here is the point, Baluchistan is restive. Best is to bring it under our umbrella. Sind needs moral and diplomatic support. And Pashtuns also need moral and diplomatic support for pakhtunkhwa.

[yensoy]

Regardless of what the UN does, if it loses the faith of India, the largest democracy, home to 1/6th of humanity, it is an unjustifiable loss for the UN.
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Let them do whatever they please, however, those who are foolish enough to pontificate will have to face the consequences. Let us remind the world about what the consequences of crossing India are, that would be the best reply (Trump just got his reply for Afghanisthan blunder).

Agreed, India is too big for the UN to take pangas with it. However, UNSC sanctions aren't toothless, so at this point in time we have to be on guard to nip the K conversation in the bud. We can get a good idea from the duration of the meeting about what was discussed before the matter got thrown out (which it presumably will). Unfortunately we cannot directly represent ourselves, but I am sure our diplomatic corps is working overtime connecting to the UNSC members (instead of arranging buses for bringing the unwashed, welfare supported unemployed from the countryside to participate in so-called protests).

Victory for us would be if the motion gets thrown out as either a sovereign issue for India or a bilateral issue not concerning the UN/3rd parties. Any other outcome is backsliding. Verbiage expressing concern for the civilian population is to be expected and doesn't amount to much.

Regardless of our good relations and trade relationships with Russia, France and US, fact is that the P5 can gang up to keep us down. It's also a fact that a lot of this "trade", i.e. arms, will be purchased only if the situation is still hot for India - which means that these folks will also try to keep the dispute burning. It's also a time for us to get pally with the Tories in the UK; Labour is infested by Pakis.

This is a good opportunity to start lobbying for permanent membership in UNSC, which honestly folks in the future will wonder why it wasn't given to us in the first place! Also our diplomats should start referencing Hong Kong, Xinjiang and Tibet in their public speeches, as a shot across the bow to China.

[pankajs]

This is a meeting "without notes" about whether this needs to be put formally on the UNSC agenda. It is unlikely to move beyond that stage. Bakis will get to say UNSC took "notice" (one of bakis favorite words) but that is about it.

How can a meeting "without notes" and "without the participation of the effected party" issue a statement? This is a meeting to decide if it will be taken on by the UNSC formally. It can be vetoed right at this stage.

Folks are getting too angsty ...

[nachiket]

Introduction: Newbie first post. Live in the US.

Welcome to BRF. Please check your PM (private messages). Your username needs to be changed to a human sounding one.

[pankajs]

https://twitter.com/reema_omer/status/1 ... 8098837511

Reema Omer @reema_omer

Contrary to what we are being told by our media, there is no “emergency session” by the UN Security Council tomorrow on #Kashmir

What is scheduled is a “consultation” - which is mostly informal, closed-door, and does not allow for the participation of non-members

[vera_k]

This is a good opportunity to start lobbying for permanent membership in UNSC, which honestly folks in the future will wonder why it wasn't given to us in the first place!

Catch-22. Permanent membership requires taking care of Pakistan to remove the challenger. China got permanent membership after it eliminated India's challenge in 62.

[vera_k]

This is a good opportunity to start lobbying for permanent membership in UNSC, which honestly folks in the future will wonder why it wasn't given to us in the first place!

Permanent membership requires taking care of Pakistan to remove the challenger. China got permanent membership after it eliminated India's challenge in 62.

[g.sarkar]

Veraji,
As far as I remember PR China got a permanent seat in UNSC sometime in 1971, when ROC was expelled. Before that ROC (Taiwan) held the permanent membership. PR China took ROC's place. It had nothing to do with India or Pakistan or eliminating either. As you mention India's war with China was in 1962. No one can claim that India was completely defeated in what was essentially a border skirmish.
Gautam

[nandakumar]

The oil price.com website has a long article on an emerging China-Russia-Iran axis. The central argument is Iran cosying up to China as prospect of a rapprochement with US is very slim. Also Iran is determined to complete uranium enrichment facility and eventually acquiring nuclear deterrence which according to them is at the very basis of protecting Islamic clergy rule. For the Islamic clergy this is part of core principles of administration. For China if the trade deal with US doesn't happen on terms that China consider as acceptable then all bets are off. It will go ahead and commit serious money on developing oil and gas infrastructure in Iran which it currently hesitating to do while keeping the pretence of negotiations going with Iran. This will necessarily lead to guaranteeing the security of middle east and oil transit through Strait of Hormuz. Russia too is inclined towards this scenario as it eliminates US as guarantor of peace in the Middle East. This has Saudi and UAE crown princes worried. They are already seeing evidence that the US sees Qatar as the lynchpin of its military presence in the Middle East and cares less about Saudi and UAE. So the latter too are warming up towards China. Adding to the mix is Turkish tilt towards Iran as Iran has the capacity to keep a lid on the Kurdish problem for Turkey. Where this concerns India is this. As part of the deal Iran has agreed to stabilise Balochistan in order to keep Pakistani territorial integrity which includes Gilgit Baltistan territory under Pakistan control. For China that region should be under its indirect suzerainty for BRI initiatives. This is the geopolitical challenge for India.

[pankajs]

https://twitter.com/iamthedrifter/statu ... 7598715904

Ayesha Siddiqa @iamthedrifter

According to UN's time table there is a India/Pak CONSULTATION in the morning. No reference to Kashmir or an emergency meeting

Further down on the TL

Asad Jamal @LegalPolitical
Who started this emergency meeting drama?

Marvi Sirmed @marvisirmed
Pak TV channels, which now work on whatsapp messages of dear Col Saab.

Lutfi Qadeer @LutfiQadeer
Yes, but some so Called journalist as @AnwarLodhi etc spreading false news on twitter that due to @ImranKhanPTI Govt the UNSC includes the Kashmir point in their discussion agenda

More than "Water Cooler" talk because it is on the schedule but less than a meeting i.e. only "closed-door consultation" between the P5, meaning without notes. How can such a consultation result in a statement?

[chetak]

This is a meeting "without notes" about whether this needs to be put formally on the UNSC agenda. It is unlikely to move beyond that stage. Bakis will get to say UNSC took "notice" (one of bakis favorite words) but that is about it.

How can a meeting "without notes" and "without the participation of the effected party" issue a statement? This is a meeting to decide if it will be taken on by the UNSC formally. It can be vetoed right at this stage.

Folks are getting too angsty ...

what happens if there is no veto.

how and why is the chinese proposal going through without a challenge, especially when we claim that we have such "good friends" among the P5.

or is everyone just curious to see how the hans play this out and if they are going to tip their hand in the process of "helping" the pakis

[pankajs]

This is a meeting "without notes" about whether this needs to be put formally on the UNSC agenda. It is unlikely to move beyond that stage. Bakis will get to say UNSC took "notice" (one of bakis favorite words) but that is about it.

How can a meeting "without notes" and "without the participation of the effected party" issue a statement? This is a meeting to decide if it will be taken on by the UNSC formally. It can be vetoed right at this stage.

Folks are getting too angsty ...

what happens if there is no veto.

how and why is the chinese proposal going through without a challenge, especially when we claim that we have such "good friends" among the P5.

or is everyone just curious to see how the hans play this out and if they are going to tip their hand in the process of "helping" the pakis

There is no question of a veto at this stage. I meant veto in the sense that it can be stopped right at this stage. If it gets past this stage it will become part of the UNSC agenda where hearing, veto, etc will come into play.

Anyone from within the group can ask for "consultation". That might sound like re-activating a long dead and buried issue but it should not be an issue.

You question will become valid if it gets pass this initial filter and goes on the formal agenda of the UNSC. We will then have to ask our friends and GOI's handling of the whole thing.

[pankajs]

https://twitter.com/Cold_Peace_/status/ ... 6774380544

Jeff M. Smith @Cold_Peace_

Pakistan FM Qureshi: "the guardians of the Ummah have made investments and have interests in India."

For Pakistan, Saudi Arabia's massive investment in Indian energy firm Reliance's oil-to-chemicals business couldn't have come at a worse time.

[A_Gupta]

Consultations (of the whole) / “informal consultations”
"Consultations of the whole" are consultations held in private with all 15 Council members present. Such consultations are held in the Consultations Room, are announced in the UN Journal, have an agreed agenda and interpretation, and may involve one or more briefers. The consultations are closed to non-Council Member States. "Informal consultations" mostly refer to "consultations of the whole", but in different contexts may also refer to consultations among the 15 Council members or only some of them held without a Journal announcement and interpretation.

https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/content/glossary

Current non-permanent members (end-of-term-year)
Belgium (2020)
Côte d’Ivoire (2019)
Dominican Republic (2020)
Equatorial Guinea (2019)
Germany (2020)
Indonesia (2020)
Kuwait (2019)
Peru (2019)
Poland (2019)
South Africa (2020)

Back on August 6th,
https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-a ... ce-2779225

The ministry of external affairs (MEA) on Monday briefed envoys of all United Nations security council (UNSC) envoys--permanent and non-permanent members on India's decision to remove the special status under article 370 for Jammu and Kashmir.

India explained that proposals under consideration in front of the Parliament on the administrative reorganization of Jammu and Kashmir and Article 370 is a matter internal to India and aimed at providing good governance and ensuring economic development in Jammu and Kashmir.

The MEA officials told envoys that it will increase administrative efficiency and promoting social justice. A govt source said that the briefing was done due to the interest expressed by members of the diplomatic community in Delhi on the proposals introduced by govt in the Parliament on J&K.

[A_Gupta]

Also, the goal should be to crush Pakistan in any arena that Pakistan considers to be significant. Their humiliation has to be total and irreversible. That is the only path to change.

[chetak]

this is one of the reports in the press. It may be wholly or merely only partially true.

the hans problems start afresh with AS asserting in the parliament that our definition of cashmere included POK as well as he aksai chin enclave ceded to them by the pakis

but however which way you want to slice it, the "consultations" are about cashmere and the abrogation of 370 which also majorly impacts the hans and their CPEC routing through the disputed territory and their bogus claims on Ladakh which they will formalize by bringing it up in the UNSC.

the hans have a major stake in this dispute and so may be trying to formally inveigle themselves into the dispute as an affected party, which, BTW, they have always been very keen to do so they can play the part of a not so honest broker primarily to protect their own interests and also have another stick to beat India with.

Last time UN discussed Kashmir was in 1964-65 when Pakistan moved against India

The United Nations Security Council (UNSC) is holding a closed door meeting to discuss the Kashmir matter after Pakistan wrote to the UN seeking intervention.


The United Nations Security Council (UNSC) is holding a closed door meeting to discuss the Kashmir situation after Pakistan wrote a letter to the UN, seeking the world body's intervention. This will be the first time since 1964 that the UN is holding a meeting to address the Kashmir matter.

According to a PTI report, the UN records reveal that the last time "the Security Council addressed the dispute between India and Pakistan over the territories of Jammu and Kashmir" under agenda item 'The India-Pakistan question' was in 1964-65.

In 1964, with a letter dated January 16, 1964, the representative of Pakistan had requested the President of the Council to "convene an immediate meeting" of the Council to consider the Kashmir situation.

In 1964, Pakistan moved the UNSC complaining against India. The issue was again Jammu and Kashmir's special status.

This time, too, Pakistan wrote a letter to the UNSC president, after which China asked for "closed consultations" in the Council on Friday morning.

After revoking Article 370 to strip Jammu and Kashmir of its special status in a momentous move earlier this month, India has maintained that Kashmir is a bilateral matter.

United Nations Secretary General António Guterres issued a statement through his spokesperson to say that he is closely monitoring the developments and also invoked the Simla Agreement, which states that Kashmir is a bilateral matter with no scope of third party mediation.

However, Pakistan PM Imran Khan has approached several nations and the UN in his bid to internationalise the dispute in order to get back at India.

Poland that is the President of the UN Security Council for the month of August, has said that India and Pakistan can work out a "mutually beneficially solution bilaterally" to sort out their differences.

India has also categorically told China that the government's decisions on Jammu and Kashmir are the country's "internal" matter and the sole prerogative of the country.

Imran Khan has already called Indonesia President, Prime Ministers of the UK and Malaysia, as well as the Turkish President, Saudi Crown Prince and King of Bahrain to apprise them about the Kashmir situation in his efforts to drum up support against India.

[Vikas]

I don't think that UN moves were not gamed by India already. That's why you don't see India frantically reaching out to P5 or giving statements. This may give talking points to jingo Paki anchors but this is where it will die.
This is a eventual fait-accomplice for Pa_istan after all the sound and fury. In few days we will move onto next trouble in world affairs like slowing economy or trade wars. Russian and China hardly can open up a Pandora's box by bringing this issue on UNSC table.
Everyone has a dirty secret buried in the back yard and no one wants anyone else to get access to this secret by digging into someone else's backyard especially if that someone else is equally big Gorilla in the room.

[anmol]

Manzoor Pashteen

[pankajs]

We also need to distinguish between a statement vs a UNSC resolution. A statement in like farting in the wind. They can release the fart and feel the relief while we can turn our face away from the wind and not feel the aftereffects. Those who are like that kind of perfume can get their fill too by turning full face into the wind. Theek hai.

BTW, did UNSC have no "discussion" on Kashmir or "India/Bakistan" during Kargil? Did they not issue any statements at that time? I am too lazy to google it.

[Aditya_V]

Manzoor Pashteen

Beautiful, the Pathans are asking the Pakjabis to fight.

[pankajs]

https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1162282472719056897

Abhijit Iyer-Mitra @Iyervval

A UNSC consultation merely decides if the matter should proceed to a full hearing of the UNSC. For that to happen Pakistan needs 9 votes out of 15 members. Here are the current rotating members of the UNSC (in addition to the P5), I don’t see how they’re going to get 9 votes

https://twitter.com/Chellaney/status/11 ... 6294697986

Brahma Chellaney @Chellaney

Security Council's China-engineered discussion today on Kashmir is inconsequential because an informal meeting like this carries no formal outcome. But what is striking is that China, occupying 20% of Jammu & Kashmir state, is brazenly cloaking its own role in the Kashmir dispute

[kit]

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 988_1.html

The revocation of the region’s constitutional status, which needs the approval of the ruling party-controlled Parliament, means Kashmiris lose their hereditary right to jobs, scholarships and land ownership. Government critics see the move, which would allow Indians from outside the region to permanently settle and buy land, as an attempt to alter Kashmir’s culture and demographics with Hindu settlers. These religious tensions have made Kashmir another field of contest between Saudi Arabia, Iran and Turkey to champion Muslim causes worldwide, said Hasan al-Hasan, an expert on Gulf-Indian relations at the International Institute for Strategic Studies. “The Turks are trying to cultivate influence in Kashmir. The Iranians are trying to cultivate influence in Kashmir. So I doubt that Saudi Arabia would want to concede a lot of ground to the Turks and the Iranians in terms of this broader symbolic contest over the leadership of the Muslim world,” he said. Turkey, which has less than $7 billion in annual bilateral trade with India, has thrown its weight behind Pakistan. A readout from a recent call between the President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Pakistan’s prime minister emphasized Kashmiri self-determination. Iran permitted a symbolic protest of around 60 students outside the Indian Embassy in Tehran last week, and a senior cleric there told worshippers during Friday prayers that India’s actions in Kashmir were “an ugly move.” However, both President Hassan Rouhani and the foreign ministry have issued more tempered statements, calling for dialogue and peace between Pakistan and India. The varied response comes as bilateral trade plummets following India’s decision to stop buying Iranian oil due to U.S. sanctions on Iran. In contrast, Saudi Arabia is home to 2.7 million Indians and is India’s second-biggest supplier of oil after Iraq, according to Indian government statistics. Saudi oil exports to India dominated $27.5 billion in bilateral trade last year. On Monday, the eighth day of the military curfew in Kashmir, India announced one of the biggest ever foreign investments in the country — a $15 billion purchase by Saudi Arabia’s state-owned Aramco in India’s Reliance oil and chemicals business. Beyond that, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has vowed $100 billion of Saudi investments in India by 2021. “Gulf Arab countries may also be wary of supporting Kashmiri rights because it centers on “people’s right to their own freedoms,” said Hafsa Kanjwal, a Kashmiri American assistant professor of South Asian history at Lafayette College. Bahrain, rocked in recent years by Arab Spring protests, reported that a number of people were arrested after South Asian residents held a protest there in support of Kashmir and against India after Sunday’s Muslim prayers for the Eid al-Adha holiday. “Kashmir is linked to movements for self-determination and people’s rights and democracy, which these Gulf countries, and Israel, are very much against and very much wary of,” Kanjwal said.

[kit]

https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1162282472719056897

Abhijit Iyer-Mitra @Iyervval

A UNSC consultation merely decides if the matter should proceed to a full hearing of the UNSC. For that to happen Pakistan needs 9 votes out of 15 members. Here are the current rotating members of the UNSC (in addition to the P5), I don’t see how they’re going to get 9 votes

https://twitter.com/Chellaney/status/11 ... 6294697986

Brahma Chellaney @Chellaney

Security Council's China-engineered discussion today on Kashmir is inconsequential because an informal meeting like this carries no formal outcome. But what is striking is that China, occupying 20% of Jammu & Kashmir state, is brazenly cloaking its own role in the Kashmir dispute

China has no locus standi in putting an issue that China itself is a party to, more than a conflict of interest its just digging itself into the sand pretending nobody sees it !

[pankajs]

That and the fact that Bakis changed the status when they gifted land to China and then again when they carved GB as a separate entity out of POJK.

This is likely a drama enacted by China to allow Dimran & TSPA to declare victory at home with its awam with "UN has taken *notice* of Kashmir issue".

[pankajs]

As expected ... but lets wait for the whole tamasha to get over.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 696847.cms
UNSC to talk Kashmir in informal, closed-door meeting tonight; Pakistan excited, India unperturbed

WASHINGTON: India is unperturbed over China's success in managing to schedule a closed-door consultative meeting on the Kashmir issue at the UN Security Council on Friday, saying it is process-driven event that will have no formal outcome, even as Pakistan is presenting it as a major diplomatic triumph.

On the contrary, Indian sources said, there was no traction for a formal meeting from any of the security council members, resulting in China seeking an informal closed-door meeting to save Pakistan's face. Typically, no state objects to an informal meeting because there is no formal outcome, no resolution, no votes, and no records are maintained, they added.

Pakistan though exulted in getting the subject on the agenda even through an informal meeting, believing it will lead to greater interest in an area the UN has long cast to the backburner. "Tomorrow on our request UNSC meets on India's unilateral move and the humanitarian crisis in Kashmir. We will continue to take voice of Kashmir to every capitol (sic)," Pakistan's foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi tweeted. {Theek hai}

<....>

Despite this, most of the belligerent war talk, including scenarios of nuclear holocaust, genocide, massacres etc has been emanating from Pakistan, which Indian diplomats say with an eye-roll and shrug, is standard operating procedure by Islamabad to seek world attention. "We don't think there is a groundswell of interest in this. If there was, the UNSC would have gone into emergency meeting. The fact that only one country asked for it is a signal...that there is no appetite for what Pakistan is pushing," one official said.

The UN disinterest was evident even in the body language of the current President of the UNSC, Poland's Joanna Wronecka, who simply ignored a question on the subject and walked away at a press briefing. In Washington too, the State Department spokesperson brushed away efforts by Pakistani journalist to buttonhole the subject.

The Indian side is also quite sanguine about Islamabad's exertions on the Security Council resolutions, which the more discerning interlocutors know actually directs Pakistan to vacate the portion of Jammu and Kashmir that it invaded and occupied, before any plebiscite can be envisaged.

<...>

Indian sources strategizing on the issue over social media, which is also the scene of verbal skirmishes, believe the more Pakistan embarks on this course of raising the Kashmir pitch in the international arena, the more it will be embarrassed as facts about its support to terrorist groups and its war-mongering come to light. Pakistan's nuclear alarmism, they believe, also casts it as an unstable entity.

[SRajesh]

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 988_1.html

The revocation of the region’s constitutional status, which needs the approval of the ruling party-controlled Parliament, means Kashmiris lose their hereditary right to jobs, scholarships and land ownership. Government critics see the move, which would allow Indians from outside the region to permanently settle and buy land, as an attempt to alter Kashmir’s culture and demographics with Hindu settlers. These religious tensions have made Kashmir another field of contest between Saudi Arabia, Iran and Turkey to champion Muslim causes worldwide, said Hasan al-Hasan, an expert on Gulf-Indian relations at the International Institute for Strategic Studies. “The Turks are trying to cultivate influence in Kashmir. The Iranians are trying to cultivate influence in Kashmir. So I doubt that Saudi Arabia would want to concede a lot of ground to the Turks and the Iranians in terms of this broader symbolic contest over the leadership of the Muslim world,” he said. Turkey, which has less than $7 billion in annual bilateral trade with India, has thrown its weight behind Pakistan. A readout from a recent call between the President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Pakistan’s prime minister emphasized Kashmiri self-determination. Iran permitted a symbolic protest of around 60 students outside the Indian Embassy in Tehran last week, and a senior cleric there told worshippers during Friday prayers that India’s actions in Kashmir were “an ugly move.” However, both President Hassan Rouhani and the foreign ministry have issued more tempered statements, calling for dialogue and peace between Pakistan and India. The varied response comes as bilateral trade plummets following India’s decision to stop buying Iranian oil due to U.S. sanctions on Iran. In contrast, Saudi Arabia is home to 2.7 million Indians and is India’s second-biggest supplier of oil after Iraq, according to Indian government statistics. Saudi oil exports to India dominated $27.5 billion in bilateral trade last year. On Monday, the eighth day of the military curfew in Kashmir, India announced one of the biggest ever foreign investments in the country — a $15 billion purchase by Saudi Arabia’s state-owned Aramco in India’s Reliance oil and chemicals business. Beyond that, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has vowed $100 billion of Saudi investments in India by 2021. “Gulf Arab countries may also be wary of supporting Kashmiri rights because it centers on “people’s right to their own freedoms,” said Hafsa Kanjwal, a Kashmiri American assistant professor of South Asian history at Lafayette College. Bahrain, rocked in recent years by Arab Spring protests, reported that a number of people were arrested after South Asian residents held a protest there in support of Kashmir and against India after Sunday’s Muslim prayers for the Eid al-Adha holiday. “Kashmir is linked to movements for self-determination and people’s rights and democracy, which these Gulf countries, and Israel, are very much against and very much wary of,” Kanjwal said.

There are lots of Turkish Barbers in fUK!! Recently had a run in with a young Turk(Most probably recent economic migrant) who on identifying my Origins starting ranting on Kasmir etc!! on Challenging wouldn't shut up. The owner(more wizend Turk) asked him to shut up and get on with the job. The brain washing of the young turks is happening rapidly and when they pitch up in fUK there is ready Pissfuls to further instigate them.
There are few Kurdish barbers and they are different ball game altogether!

[Peregrine]

SC expresses anguish over filing of defective petitions on Article 370 – Agencies

HIGHLIGHTS

- What kind of petition is this? It could have been dismissed but there are 5 other pleas with the registry: SC said on the pleas against scrapping of Article 370

- It also took up the plea filed by the Kashmir Times executive director, seeking relaxation of media movement in the valley and the communication shutdown

- Centre reiterated that normalcy will be restored in a few days

NEW DELHI: A bench headed by Chief Justice Ranjan Gogoi said the petition by advocate M L Sharma challenging the scrapping of Article 370 has "no meaning"

Cheers

[Gautam_2]

SC expresses anguish over filing of defective petitions on Article 370 – Agencies

HIGHLIGHTS

- What kind of petition is this? It could have been dismissed but there are 5 other pleas with the registry: SC said on the pleas against scrapping of Article 370

- It also took up the plea filed by the Kashmir Times executive director, seeking relaxation of media movement in the valley and the communication shutdown

- Centre reiterated that normalcy will be restored in a few days

NEW DELHI: A bench headed by Chief Justice Ranjan Gogoi said the petition by advocate M L Sharma challenging the scrapping of Article 370 has "no meaning"

Cheers

Of course jolly LLB was gonna get kicked. he's a gold digger.

who can forget his "very softness performance" during nirbhaya lmao



This is great imo

[DrRatnadip]

India's nuclear policy in future will depend on circumstance ..


http://m.timesofindia.com/articleshow/7 ... aign=cppst

[UlanBatori]

Maybe India could burst Dimran's balloon again like after the F-16 shootdown: Issue a flat threat to increase Global Warming at Karachi if there is any more threat of nuclear war etc.

Something along the lines of what Smt. Sushma Swraj might have said:

National leaders are expected to be credible and behave like adults. In future we reserve the right to act pre-emptively to neutralize any such threat to our people, when it is issued at a high level. The skyline in Karachi looks impressive against a red sunset.

[UlanBatori]

Seen on email:

Per Chinese request, UNSC to hold closed-door meeting on Pakistan's complaint about communications blackout in Kashmir Valley. No phones, No internet, No reporters, and most of all No pakistanis permitted into the meeting. Strictly enforced by guards carrying lathis and guns. Participants: China (can u say Xinjiang, Hong Kong, TianAnMen Square, Tibet?) UQ (Northern Ireland, Scotland, Falklands, explusion of Diego Garcia residents, 190 years of loot in India, originator of Partition, party responsible for not preventing Pakistani invasion of J&K..Irag invasion and colonization), France (genocide in Mali, 1 million killed in Algeria, defeated in Vietnam, surrendered to Germany, Russia (Chechnya, Dagestan, Afghanistan, Crimea, East Ukraine..), USA (Guantanamo Bay, Iraq invasion, ISIS, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, Yemen....) Room sound-proofed to keep out the laughter and sound of vodka glasses being dropped.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX7PZrpnpuQ

[UlanBatori]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlXbSc809KM

"No loss of life. Telecom services to return soon."

(pakis to remain in UP jails, or breaking rocks in Arunachal)

[Yagnasri]

SC itself has to blame for allowing all kinds of rubbish PILs from 5* activist lawyers. But looks like there is fear in the air everywhere. Not just in Rawalpindi. No institution would like to take on very powerful political leaders without any strong and proper reason. Unfortunately lack of political leadership allowed SC and courts to replace the executive in many issues before. That is not the case now.

Art 370 removable might be challenged like any other law but that is not to say the courts will sit over something that is voted by 84% members in Lok Sabha without proper grounds. So far no one is bringing in proper grounds before SC till date. Entire PIL gang taken by surprise just like many other parts of BIF.

The near absolute power of the parliament with dividing any state, creating new states and UTs is a well established legal position for decades. It is also well settled that Parliament replaces state assembly when the state assembly is not there. There is no doubt on those legal positions. If this has to be reopened then even AP division also have to be set aside as the assembly of AP was not consented for division and MPs from AP were kicked out of LS and then the vote was taken. SC never seriously entertained cases against that division till date. It can not have separate yardstick to J&K state division now.

[UlanBatori]

Govt says communications will be restored Fridin. That is today, hain? In time for the exhortations to bus-burning? Brave.

[mmasand]

Manzoor Pashteen

Translation for those unfamiliar with chaste Urdu.

"Pashtuns have been martyred fighting several holy wars, we don't want to deprive others to obtain honour. We are willing to step aside to make way for others to attain martyrdom (jannat). We aren't mean/selfish to hold back anyone who wishes to attain these gifts (martyrdom in this context). We pay taxes, and such have a professional army that have tanks and aircraft unlike us tribals. I encourage them to go and fight and utilise their training."

Give this guy a Vir Chak....oops I meant Nishan - e - Haider.

[UlanBatori]

This is very unkind to Pakistan Army. I agree they HAVE to phyrr their guns rifles and their mijjiles but why at Indians? Why not at their own Jernails/Aphsars, hain? Or use their stocks of RDS etc to inflate themselves? So much safer.

[UlanBatori]

OT, but relevant. Meanwhile in Peaceful Pakistan...
https://www.dawn.com/news/1499823/4-kil ... chlak-area

[mmasand]

Happening now:

http://webtv.un.org/live-now/watch/secu ... 9257323001

Russia's rep to UN just said "It's a bilateral issue and our position has not changed".