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Guys, like those sell out, self-loathing "Hindu" Paki concubine low lives like Ananga Chatterji and Natasha Kaul at the previous hearing, on this particular hearing, were there mainly Pakis and their KM proxies p!ssing on India or were there some "Hindu" low lives too? If so, who were they?
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If in fact, Sunanda Vashisht's testimony gets some traction at the international level, I will wager to bet that there will be the likes of ADothi, Pankaj Misra etc write in western rags blaming gov. Jagmohan and "Hindu extremist" RSS/BJP for the plight of Kashmir Hindus. This has been the standard response by libtards. I even got into a fist fight with one of B'lore buddies when he was peddling this.

Blaming Jagmohan for genocide of Kashmir Pandits is even worse than Paki perverts raping dead women.
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sorry if already posted but..
For US brfites: worth watching and sharing this video. Please take a look.
>> "'Where were the advocates of human rights when my rights were taken away?"
https://www.facebook.com/BJP4India/vide ... 1MTg3NjY1/
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So did the Lantos-gang twerps set up the Pakis in order to get a few Indian-American votes and $$$?
Or is this another episode of the endless Paki game of Roadrunner and Coyote?

People PLEAAAAAASE spread that fantastic speech by Ms. Sundanda. I have already.
To do THAT w/o breaking down, was superhuman. Got to find her writings as well and shove them up Pankaj Mishra's "brain-storage".
Someone please dig up and post the composition of that Panel: Name, Party, District#, state. Also those who farted there. There seemed to be quite a few terrorists sitting there looking like.. criminals caught, and utterly devoid of conscience.

Karma is inexorable, as it came to the Burton Gang decades ago. :twisted:
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chetak wrote: Kashmiri Columnist Sunanda Vashisht talks about Hindu Genocide by Pakistani, Jihadis in Kashmir
Where is the "prostrate at your feet" icon when you really need it? This lady has performed a signal service to India. Humble pranaams.

That line about her grandpa was heart-wrenching, how in the world did she deliver that without bursting into tears?

Now what I say is - why should only the Kashmiri Hindus get to air their stories? Such horrors have been perpetrated all over India for 1200 years. Let's give everyone a chance to tell their stories to the world (including the true Godhra victims - that would be something).

Oh, and excellent selection of spokesperson, did she do this on her own accord, or did the GOI have something to do with it?
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sudarshan wrote:
chetak wrote: Kashmiri Columnist Sunanda Vashisht talks about Hindu Genocide by Pakistani, Jihadis in Kashmir
Where is the "prostrate at your feet" icon when you really need it? This lady has performed a signal service to India. Humble pranaams.

That line about her grandpa was heart-wrenching, how in the world did she deliver that without bursting into tears?

Now what I say is - why should only the Kashmiri Hindus get to air their stories? Such horrors have been perpetrated all over India for 1200 years. Let's give everyone a chance to tell their stories to the world (including the true Godhra victims - that would be something).

Oh, and excellent selection of spokesperson, did she do this on her own accord, or did the GOI have something to do with it?
Seriously doubt baboons had any role.
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Aarti Tikoo Singh uses “dog and pony” show for the US congressional hearing. I used this Americanism some time ago on BRF.

Perhaps BRF is not just an echo chamber.
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UlanBatori wrote:So did the Lantos-gang twerps set up the Pakis in order to get a few Indian-American votes and $$$?
Or is this another episode of the endless Paki game of Roadrunner and Coyote?

People PLEAAAAAASE spread that fantastic speech by Ms. Sundanda. I have already.

Posting the video in full for your viewing pleasure.

The work just begins and while Ms. Vashisht deserves kudos and Koti Pranams of every Human - Dharmic or not - some ideas:

1. Emotions don’t work, individuals can’t outshine this ‘agenda driven’ idiocy. What is needed is cold calculated documentation to be placed on record.
2. Arnab and NewsX chaps need to invite every contrarian to their TV studios and tear these folks for several illogical and misinformed crap they peddled. This one makes for good TRP and two selfishly to my beer & popcorn enjoyment.
3. If anyone of you ever were to be in Ms. Vashisht’s situation remember her courage, reduce your emotion, don’t attribute agendas - Ask the copanelists what testimony they submitted about Kashmiri Pandits, Lower Caste citizens in J&K, Shias and Sunnis who were killed, raped or tortured by forces aided and abetted by funding from the US and China to Pakistan who in turn used this funding for terror.
4. For f$#?’s sake where is the Hindu Human Rights Foundation?
5. Document and raise the question on why Christians/Evangelicals are assisting Islamic Terror?
6. May a million ideas bloom to help individuals like Ms. Vashisht
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KLNMurthy wrote:
sudarshan wrote:
Where is the "prostrate at your feet" icon when you really need it? This lady has performed a signal service to India. Humble pranaams.

That line about her grandpa was heart-wrenching, how in the world did she deliver that without bursting into tears?

Now what I say is - why should only the Kashmiri Hindus get to air their stories? Such horrors have been perpetrated all over India for 1200 years. Let's give everyone a chance to tell their stories to the world (including the true Godhra victims - that would be something).

Oh, and excellent selection of spokesperson, did she do this on her own accord, or did the GOI have something to do with it?
Seriously doubt baboons had any role.
She is based out of houston.

The lack of imagination is a genetic pre disposition in baboo(n)s so this would have been done in spite of them.
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Mollick.R wrote:
Quoting from the article........
Besides, the two fresh pleas, a batch of petitions are pending before the Apex Court.
Several political parties including the National Conference (NC), the Sajjad Lone-led J&K Peoples Conference and CPI (M) leader Mohd Yousuf Tarigami have filed pleas challenging Centre’s August 5 decision to abrogate Article 370.


The petition on behalf of NC was filed by Lok Sabha MPs Mohammad Akbar Lone and Justice (retd) Hasnain Masoodi.

In 2015, Justice (retd) Masoodi had ruled that Article 370 was a permanent feature of the Constitution.

A plea was also filed by a group of former defense officers and bureaucrats — Professor Radha Kumar, ex-member of Home Ministry’s Group of Interlocutors for J&K (2010-11), former J&K cadre IAS officer Hindal Haidar Tyabji, Air Vice Marshal (retd) Kapil Kak, Major Gen. (retd) Ashok Kumar Mehta, ex-Punjab-cadre IAS officer Amitabha Pande and ex-Kerala-cadre IAS officer Gopal Pillai.
Besides, a plea has been filed by bureaucrat-turned-politician Shah Faesal, along with his party colleague Shehla Rashid. (PTI)
Few interesting names, ex IAS and Armed forces veterans :shock: :shock:

Big simple straightforward question is Why ???????
INC Chaap veterans. All ate off the gravy train and now activated.

Somebody ask that Maj Gen what incident had him retire "gracefully" from the Army. Would make for "interesting reading".
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SeeBeeEye raids Amnesty International offices in Dilli and B'looru
BENGALURU: The CBI on Friday conducted raids at the Amnesty International India’s Bengaluru and Delhi offices. Yes, raids were carried out. Details are awaited, a CBI officer said. An Amnesty International India executive, speaking on condition of anonymity, said about half-a-dozen CBI sleuths arrived at about 8.30 am at the Bengaluru office and carried out searches till 5 pm.” In a statement, the human rights watchdog said “Over the past year, a pattern of harassment has emerged every time Amnesty India stands up and speaks out against human rights violations in India. (AGENCIES)
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West Pakistan refugees see hope
Excelsior Correspondent
KATHUA, Nov 15: The West Pakistani refugee in a meeting here, today discussed the various issues pertaining to them.
The meeting was organized under the leadership of Labha Ram Gandhi , president West Pakistani Refugee . On the occasion refugee youth highlighted the issues of recruitment share in security forces without any condition or State Subject.
Labha Ram Gandhi said that after the reconstitution of State as Union Territory, the West Pakistani youth will get job share in security force as numbers of recruitment drives in JKP , BSF and Army are going on in the UT . He said with the historic decision of Modi Government the woes of West Pak refugees will end after seven decades.

He said that West Pak youth are given the share of jobs in security force only with the document Identification certificate and there no need of any State Subject certificate. He added that in some cases our youth face inconvenience to join the requirement drive. The matter was highlighted to Divisional Commissioner, Jammu for immediate redressal . The Div Commissioner directed the Deputy Commissioner of concerning district to immediately take up the matter and concerned recruitment authorities to accommodate West Pakistan refugee youth in recruitment rallies.
He said now the West Pakistani refugee will get justice for which they are fighting since last 70 years. He has also appreciated the role of UT administration to give them justice in recruitment rallies. He said “we hope to get all our rights as we got citizenship right after formation of Union Territory”.
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Here are 10 powerful statements made by columnist Sunanda Vashisht at Human Rights Commission hearing on Kashmir

Borrowing the last sentences said by Jewish American journalist Daniel Pearl before being killed in Pakistan by terrorists-“My father is a Jew, My mother is a Jew, I’m a Jew”, columnist Sunanda Vashisht expressed how the lives and homes of thousands and lakhs of Kashmiri Hindus were destroyed by the radical Islamic terrorism in the Valley.

OPINDIA STAFF
NOVEMBER 15, 2019

Sunanda Vashisht made a passionate speech recounting horrors of radical Islamic terrorism

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Sunanda Vashisht(Source: Livemint)

In an unrestrained attack against the radical Islamic terrorism that has plagued the state of Jammu and Kashmir for more than 3 decades, noted columnist Sunanda Vashisht poignantly recounted the excruciating tribulations and horrors suffered by the minority Kashmiri Hindus in the state at the hands of radical Islamic terrorists.

Here are the 10 powerful statements made by Sunanda Vashisht that held back no punches:-

1. My father is a Kashmiri Hindu. My mother is a Kashmiri Hindu. I’m a Kashmiri Hindu. Our home and lives in Kashmir were destroyed by radical Islamist terror

Borrowing the last sentences said by Jewish American journalist Daniel Pearl before being killed in Pakistan by terrorists-“My father is a Jew, My mother is a Jew, I’m a Jew”, columnist Sunanda Vashisht expressed how the lives and homes of thousands and lakhs of Kashmiri Hindus were destroyed by the radical Islamic terrorism in the Valley.

2. I’m a member of the minority Kashmiri Hindu community and a victim of the worst ethnic cleansing witnessed in India

Talking about the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits happened in the early 1990s, Vashisht poignantly asserted that the mass departure of the minority community of Kashmiri Hindus from the Valley was the “worst ethnic cleansing witnessed in India” ever. About lakhs of Kashmiri Hindus fled the state and took refuge in other parts of the country. Those who didn’t perished in the onslaught of the violent Islamic terrorists.

3. We have seen ISIS level of horror and brutality in Kashmir 30 years before the West was even introduced to the brutalities of Islamic terrorism

Speaking at the Tom Lantos HR commission, Sunanda contended that the people of India, especially the beleaguered Kashmiri Hindus had witnessed the horrors and atrocities inflicted by Islamic terrorists in Kashmir 3 decades ago that were tantamount to the present-day brutalities meted out by the ISIS.

“I am choked by the thoughts of those voices that I represent here because their voices were extinguished in the most brutal fashion,” she said.

Sunanda narrated the frightening story of Girija Tikoo, who was abducted, gang-raped and split in half with a mechanical saw while she was alive just because of her faith.

In another heart-rending incident, She then remembers BK Ganjoo. Another Kashmiri Hindu who was murdered brutally at the hands of Islamic terrorists in Kashmir. He was an engineer who hid inside a rice container and would have still been alive had his neighbours, who he trusted, Hindus trusted, did not give up his location. He was shot through the container and his wife was made to eat the blood-soaked rice, remembered Sunanda.

4. Where were the Human Rights activists on the night of January 19, 1990, when all the mosques in Kashmir blared that they wanted Kashmir with Hindu women but without the Hindu men

Sunanda said that the mosques in Kashmir on the night of January 19, 1990, sent a shiver down the spines of minorities as they blared that they want Kashmir with Hindu women but not with Hindu men.

Sunanda gave an account of her own story when her grandfather held two knives in his hands, ready to kill her and her mother just to save them from the fate that awaited them if they were captured alive by the radical Islamic terrorists who had proceeded on their nefarious design to expunge the state of its Hindu minorities.

Slamming Human Rights activists, who champ at the bit of accusing Indian Armed Forces of carrying out brutality against Kashmiri people, Sunanda rhetorically questioned their absence when she and her co-religionists were being killed, massacred and thrown out of Kashmir.

5. Every attempt is made to eradicate Hinduism from Kashmir

The Islamic terrorists and their sympathisers in the valley, Sunanda asserts, have done everything in their power to stymie the multi-faith composite culture to spawn in Kashmir. Not only Hindus, but people practising other faiths such as Sikhism and Christianity were also targeted by the rabid Islamists.

6. An Islamist state of Kashmir where no other religions are welcomed and tolerance of any other view is absent is no citadel of Human Rights

Taking a dig at Human Rights activists and those who cite Kashmir as a bastion of secularism, Vashisht asserted that the Islamic State of Kashmir is a place where other religions are not accepted and there is no tolerance towards people with diverse views.

7. Earning livelihood is prohibited in Kashmir because a simple act of earning livelihood will indicate that Kashmir is moving towards normalcy

Citing the recent violence, Sunanda said that the terrorists in Kashmir are unnerved by the fact that normalcy prevailing in Kashmir will detrimental to their propaganda. Sunanda said that traders, Apple orchard owners and shopkeepers were killed by terrorists because they dared to earn their livelihood and wanted normalcy to return in the Valley.

8. Abrogation of Article 370, which has raised concerned across the world, is in fact, restoration of Human Rights

The Human Rights in Kashmir were so far curtailed because Article 370 was in force, Sunanda argued. Kashmir was brought at par with the rest of India with the annulment of Article 370. Prohibition to child marriage, women’s right to own property, granting equality to members of the LGBTQ community were achieved after the abrogation of Article 370.

“Today I am delighted that Kashmiris have the same rights as Indian citizens. If something as serious as a woman’s right to own property and granting of LGBTQ rights to choose amongst many others, has been accomplished through abrogation of Article 370, then it is safe to assume that restoration of the Internet in few remaining districts of Kashmir is not too far away,” she said.

9. The Indian Constitution, which is modelled on the US Constitution, is one of the most liberal documents in the world

Extolling India’s constitution, Sunanda Vashisht said that the constitution of India is the Moselle on the constitution of the United States and is one of the most liberal documents in the entire world. She further added that this constitution, which was being obstructed from being applied in entirety in the state of Jammu and Kashmir, is now put into practice in totality after the revocation of Article 370.

10. People of Jammu and Ladakh have been liberated from the tyranny of having citizens of their own country after the abrogation of Article 370

Sunanda Vashisht proclaimed that the people of Jammu and Ladakh have welcomed the decision of the government to invalidate Article 370. She implied that a large section of the population of the erstwhile Jammu and Kashmir state was happy with the central government’s decision.
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5. Every attempt is made to eradicate Hinduism from Kashmir
Wonder how is that not terrorism, and do the laws of limitations allow terrorist s to behave in certain ways with least problems and most problems for most ancient ways of life.
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https://theprint.in/india/public-transp ... on/322100/
The title of the article says it all
KM's are coming to their senses and are slowly realising that the present dispensation (MAD) are in no compromise and pandering mode.
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1. As much as I expect senseless brutality from terrorists (e.g. ISIS) Sunanda V.'s recounting of what she saw/heard takes the horror to a new, inhuman level, and this was in the early 90s!!
What Pakistan let loose on India were not humans. I've never heard of woman being sawed into 2 (though I've heard of terrorists using drills in Iraq and Egypt in one case on a woman journalist). Forcing women to eat blood-soaked rice...unbelievable; even animals are not like this.
2. Her comment about her grandfather ready with knives to kill her and her sister...two thoughts come to mind. Many would not have been so lucky ....probably raped and killer. The other is that I've read about this before ...it happened....where else ....but in Pakistan , when Sikhs were trying to get out of Pakistan during partition, some groups were forced to kill women so they would not be captured by the marauding gangs.

3. Its time we used moved to the term Kashmir Hindus rather than Pandits. I think Sunanda did that ? Pandits term confuses the issue, all were raped/killed/driven away due to their religion and not some other sub-identity. No one asked the non-Pandits to stay back.

4. There should be public hearings and have more Kashmiri Hindus record their stories, even privately on video (govt hearings will not happen) before they pass away. The sawing and shootings would not have been an isolated case.

5.It was significant that she mentioned that a neighbor pointed out the hiding location of the Hindu to the terrorists. She was essentially saying that neighbors and friends sided with the terrorists because of the religion when the terrorists came searching. Friendships did not matter at that point.
6. It would not surprise me if Sunanda V. Will be target of verbal attacks and innuendo on social media and over the phone. With her testimony she painted a target over herself and her children and she knew it. Brave of her to do that. She needs support from all who can help her.
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sawed
Welcome to the history of The Gentle Peaceful Sufis ((c) Christiane Amanpour) of the Lashkar-e-Toiba. I gather that you (and everyone on BRF) need to read the "autobiography" of Sheikh Abdullah, "Flames of The Chinar". I read that in 1999. Before that I only had a word-of-mouth and newspaper knowledge of events.

Kashmir has plenty of sawmills, which figured prominently in the events preceding the Indian Army's entry into Jammu-Kashmir.
You need to read this book, to understand the occasional report of where an Indian Army soldier is accused of being slightly less than obeisant to these wonderful Gentle Peaceful Sufis. It is not at all what you might imagine, from the name and relijjun of the author.

Give Peace a Chance. Destroy Pakistan.
To paraphrase the Alabama Mercenary School: (never mind)
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Daily Excelsior Editorial:
Remove Encroachers from Forest Compartment
Why after all, concerned authorities feel ill at ease in taking the desired action and instead plant moves direct or indirect in ‘buying’ time in not evicting encroachers from one forest compartment situated in a Poonch village ? Two years have elapsed since this action should have been taken. It is strange that despite the Division Bench of the High Court headed by the Chief Justice terming the situation as deeply distressing , the authorities have not proceeded ahead with the job.
And the issue is not ordinary as it involves as much as 1400 kanals of forest land and how come Forest Department officials afford to sit over the matter even after the inhabitants of the village being compelled to knock at the doors of the High Court. Merely by serving soft eviction notices and ‘reminders’ against 127 persons who having thieved public (Forest) land and had no claim whatsoever over the grabbed land, needed effective and firm ways to have the land retrieved from them. We cannot put the encroachers into compartments of ‘genuine’ encroachers and ‘ungenuine’ encroachers as grabbers could never own a genuine title . However, the matter needed to be given priority and it must also be noted that only because of the apparent helplessness shown by the administration in such cases in initial stages, encroachers were getting emboldened and becoming immune with passage of time.
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US lawmakers seek probe into terror finance links between two prominent Muslim groups and LeT
By Daily Excelsior - 16/11/2019
WASHINGTON, Nov 15:Three American lawmakers have asked the US State Department to investigate possible terror financing links between two prominent American Muslim organisations and terrorist groups like Lashkar-a-Taiba and Hizbul Mujahideen.

The three Congressmen – Jim Banks, Chuck Fleischmann and Randy Weber—in a letter to the State Department Coordinator for Counter Terrorism Nathan Sales, said, “Specifically of concern are the innocuous sounding organisation, Helping Hands for Relief and Development (HHRD) and their sister organisation, the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA).” While these groups sell themselves as “innocuous” Muslim civic society organisations, they are, in fact, arms of one of the most radical networks in the world, said the three Congressmen. They said that there was no doubt that the ICNA and HHRD are part of Jamaat-e-Islami’s international network.

Indeed, the evidence is overwhelming and extensive, they asserted in the letter dated November 1. Referring to a series of documentary evidences in support of their statement, the three US Congressmen said that they believe the documented facts would give a reasonable person good reason to investigate just how extensive and systemic these ties are.

“The nexus of charitable networks and terrorist groups is well known and pernicious. This is particularly important to investigate, as the ICNA has received over ten million dollars in government grants, even from the current Administration,” they said.

“The ongoing tension and violence in Kashmir is a threat to peace and stability for both India and Pakistan. It is clearly in the best interests of the US to keep peace in the region and not fan the flames of war. It is thus vital that the US do whatever it can to stop the flow of any and all funds that we can to terrorist organisations operating in the region,” they wrote.

“Thus, we ask that you use the full powers of your office to further investigate the potential terror finance links between groups like the ICNA and HHRD, and US and UN Security Council designated terrorist groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba and Hizbul Mujahideen,” the three lawmakers said in their letter to Sales. (PTI)
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Yet another harrowing and tragic accident
By
Daily Excelsior -
15/11/2019

Yet another harrowing accident.
The tragic loss of 30 lives in road accidents in Keshwan Kishtwar, Peer Ki Gali area of Mughal Road and other Jammu hilly roads only a few months back being fresh in tintalizing memory but with a hope that in identified sensitive zones, some urgent but suitable steps would be taken by the Government agencies has been belied and exploded when 16 people including 4 children travelling by a passenger vehicle were killed near Khellani on Batote – Kishtwar Highway on 12th instant. While lot of blame is genuinely due to be heaped on the ‘never lesson taking’ administration and other connected Government agencies, the driver on the other hand, is reported to have remained clung with and engrossed in speaking on mobile phone even while negotiating a sharp curve. The resultant loss of concentration and control over the vehicle resulted in its getting skidded off the road to crash down into a deep gorge. We offer deep condolences to the affected families.
The mingled and scattered split parts of the ill fated vehicle depict the extent and severity of the accident . The dead belonged to a village Mangota in Doda district of mountainous Jammu region which besides being in a shock has been enveloped by gloom and utter depression. As is wont with the customary immediate response from the Government to such heart wrenching road accidents, an enquiry has been ordered into this accident too by the administration. Well, the same reasons, a blend of total and callous lapses on the part of the Governmental agencies and the human error or disregarding of safety norms shall be the findings of the enquiry panel....
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it plunged into a 700 metre deep gorge, ... a vehicle with 12 seater capacity was piled up with 17 passengers. ...It is without the prejudice of the deceased precious lives that no one from them even objected to the driver using phone adhesively touched with ear with tilted neck sensing some untoward happening as that action while driving, could end up in a devastating crash. It is unfortunate that most of us at critical moments choose to remain silent while at non critical and ordinary matters in comparison to where lives are likely to be imperilled, we prioritize to speak in protest.

...Whether the drivers concerned had proper updated hilly driving licences :?: is no one’s headache in the Traffic Police nor in the Transport Department. {Can't I drive in Cashmore with my Indian Drivers License obtained in the lowlands, hain? } :eek:
However, let us see the findings in the enquiry report and see whether heads rolled of those found negligent in their duties and what measures the Government further proposed to take to avert such accidents if not out-rightly claim ruling out any accident from taking place in future. However, let us further hope that the accident under reference shall be the last one and never ever any more.
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SriKumar wrote:1. As much as I expect senseless brutality from terrorists (e.g. ISIS) Sunanda V.'s recounting of what she saw/heard takes the horror to a new, inhuman level, and this was in the early 90s!!
What Pakistan let loose on India were not humans. I've never heard of woman being sawed into 2 (though I've heard of terrorists using drills in Iraq and Egypt in one case on a woman journalist). Forcing women to eat blood-soaked rice...unbelievable; even animals are not like this.
2. Her comment about her grandfather ready with knives to kill her and her sister...two thoughts come to mind. Many would not have been so lucky ....probably raped and killer. The other is that I've read about this before ...it happened....where else ....but in Pakistan , when Sikhs were trying to get out of Pakistan during partition, some groups were forced to kill women so they would not be captured by the marauding gangs.

3. Its time we used moved to the term Kashmir Hindus rather than Pandits. I think Sunanda did that ? Pandits term confuses the issue, all were raped/killed/driven away due to their religion and not some other sub-identity. No one asked the non-Pandits to stay back.

4. There should be public hearings and have more Kashmiri Hindus record their stories, even privately on video (govt hearings will not happen) before they pass away. The sawing and shootings would not have been an isolated case.

5.It was significant that she mentioned that a neighbor pointed out the hiding location of the Hindu to the terrorists. She was essentially saying that neighbors and friends sided with the terrorists because of the religion when the terrorists came searching. Friendships did not matter at that point.
6. It would not surprise me if Sunanda V. Will be target of verbal attacks and innuendo on social media and over the phone. With her testimony she painted a target over herself and her children and she knew it. Brave of her to do that. She needs support from all who can help her.
None of this is new, or isolated. The sawing in half I haven't seen before, but I've read multiple accounts of those mobs, after they have their way with women, cutting off their - *ahem* - upper body parts while they were still alive. The blood-soaked rice thingy is nothing new either. It happened in Bengal, with communists being the perpetrators though:

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/commun ... est-bengal

(See the section on the Sainbari massacre).

Looks like they take lessons from each other on how to humiliate and demoralize. I've read on this very forum before, that if Hindu men (anywhere) became aware of an approaching mob, they would grab whatever weapons they could, and *liberate* their women folk before harm came to them. Can you imagine that! As far as being betrayed by neighbors goes, I read a chilling account (again on this forum) by a member (don't want to name, if he wishes, he can retell his story) of three of his aunts (so it was a personal account, not a second- or third-hand one), and what happened when they were trying to escape from Lahore (IIRC) during the partition times. A trusted neighbor apparently offered to take care of putting them on the train (or whatever) to India, only, they were never heard from again.

It's all part of a formula. And that formula has been handed down from the beginning.
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Political detenues will be released, but no time frame specified
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16/11/2019

NEW DELHI, Nov 15:

Top Union Home Ministry (HM) officials today conveyed to a Parliamentary Panel that the situation in Jammu and Kashmir is getting naaaarmal and detained political leaders, including former Chief Ministers, will be released but gave no time-frame for it.
Official sources said that Union Home Secretary Ajay Kumar Bhalla and Additional Secretary in the Home Ministry Gyanesh Kumar and other Ministry officials briefed the Parliamentary Standing Committee (PAC) {Why does "standing" abbreviate to "A", hain?} :?: on Home Affairs, chaired by senior Congress leader Anand Sharma, on the situation in the Union Territories of Jammu and Kashmir and Ladakh.
Members of the Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha quizzed top Government officials on the detention of political leaders, particularly three-time former Chief Minister and Srinagar MP Farooq Abdullah, who was charged under the controversial Public Safety Act on September 17.
The MPs were also agitated about the prolonged detention of Abdullah’s son, Omar Abdullah as well as PDP president Mehbooba Mufti, both former Chief Ministers, who have been under detention since August 5, when the Centre withdrew Jammu and Kashmir’s special status under Article 370 and bifurcated it into two Union Territories, sources said.
Referring to the release of the detained political leaders, Home Ministry officials conveyed that some had been released and others will be freed gradually but refrained from giving any time line, sources added.
Home Ministry officials told the Parliamentary panel that those detained under the PSA can challenge their detention in a Designated Tribunal. If not satisfied with the order of the Tribunal, they can move the High Court. Abdullah is the only political leader detained under the PSA in Kashmir.
The Home Secretary, sources said, further told the MPs that the situation in the UT of Jammu and Kashmir is getting naaarmal, schools are open and the apple trade is going on.
The MPs also raised the issue of curbs on the internet in the Valley since August 5. Home Ministry officials, it is learnt, said the restrictions were imposed as the internet could be used by terrorists for subversive activities as well as by anti-social elements to spread rumours.
The Parliamentarians were told that there were 71,254 incidents of terror related violence in Jammu and Kashmir since 1990 in which 14,049 civilians, 5,293 security personnel and 22,552 terrorists were killed.
Home Ministry officials also told the members that all Central laws have become applicable to the new UTs, State laws overlapping with Central laws stand repealed and remaining State laws brought in line with the Constitution of India.
The new political map of India depicting the two new UTs-Jammu and Kashmir, and Ladakh, which includes Pakistan occupied Kashmir and it’s so called capital Muzaffarabad and Gilgit-Baltistan-was shown to the MPs during a presentation.
The new UT of Jammu and Kashmir has 22 districts with a population of approximately 122 lakh and there are two districts in UT of Ladakh-Kargil and Leh, Home Ministry officials said in their presentation.
They also said all landline services, post paid mobile voice phone services have been restored in both UTs and restrictions under Section 144 on movement withdrawn or relaxed, except for night time restrictions in the Valley.
According to sources present at the meeting, differences between the BJP and the Congress MPs cropped up over the issue of Jammu and Kashmir being discussed in the panel. While BJP members cited the rule book to say the panel should not interfere in the work of the executive, Congress MPs said the issue was important and had to be discussed, the sources added.
Meanwhile, Union Home Secretary also conveyed to the MPs that the Centre has constituted a three-member committee for division of assets and liabilities of Jammu and Kashmir between two successor Union Territories, which came into existence on October 31.
An advisory committee has been constituted under Section 84 of the J-K Reorganisation Act for apportionments of assets, rights and liabilities between UT of J-K and Ladakh, Bhalla and his team of officers told the panel.
They said the 14th Finance Commission award has been apportioned between the UTs of J-K and Ladakh in the ratio of 70 per cent and 30 per cent for the remaining five months of the 2019-20 fiscal. All the 7th Central Pay Commission-mandated allowances have been approved for Government employees of the UTs of J-K and Ladakh.
Earlier, the Home Ministry had announced that former Defence Secretary Sanjay Mitra would be the Chairman of the committee, retired IAS officer Arun Goyal and retired Indian Civil Accounts Service (ICAS) officer Giriraj Prasad Gupta would be its members.
As per Section 84 of the Act, the assets and liabilities of the existing state of Jammu and Kashmir have to be apportioned between the Union Territories of Jammu and Kashmir, and Ladakh.
On August 5, the Centre announced the abrogation of the special status given to Jammu and Kashmir under Article 370 and division of the state into the two UTs.
... (PTI)
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US Commission’s hearing on Kashmir fizzles out
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WASHINGTON, Nov 15:
A US Congressional Commission’s hearing on human rights situation in Jammu and Kashmir nearly fizzled out as only four of the 84 members of the panel turned up for the hearing, the second such meeting by an American panel after India abrogated Article 370 to revoke the special status of that State. Republicans refused to attend the hearing held by the Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission on Thursday, saying that this commission “is biased, one sided and has lost credibility”.
Except for Republican Co-Chair Christopher H Smith, no other member from the party turned up for the hearing. Smith in his brief remarks said that Kashmir is a bilateral issue between India and Pakistan, which needs to act against terrorist groups based inside its territory.
Testifying before the Commission, Sunanda Vashist, an Indian-American columnist, told lawmakers that Kashmir has been an integral part of India.
“India is not just a 70-year-old nation that you see. India is a 5,000-year-old civilisation. There is no Kashmir without India. There is no India without Kashmir. It’s both ways. And I will say this at the top of my voice,” Kashmiri-American Vashist said in response to the separatists supported panel of experts at the hearing.
“India’s democratic credentials are unmatched. They have successfully in a democratic setup, defeated insurgencies in Punjab and Northeast. It’s time to strengthen India against this insurgency in Kashmir and the human rights problem (in Kashmir) will be solved forever,” she said.
Sheila Jackson Lee, a Representative from Texas, asked for a pathway to ensure human rights in the region.
“We should try to find a pathway to at least do the basics to ensure human rights in the region. Why not allow the members of the US Congress to visit both parts of Jammu and Kashmir — in India as well as Pakistan,” Lee said.
Anurnima Bhargava, Commissioner from the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, farted, “Religious minorities in India are under a state of fear and active persecution and violence.”
Bhargava, who is of Indian descent, said the restrictions in Kashmir impacted the ability of people to “practice their faith”, visit their places of worship and exercise their rights.
She alleged that there was a growing persecution of religious minorities specially Muslims in India manifested in the form of anti-conversion legislation, and claimed that the Ayodhya verdict, National Register of Citizens (NRC) in Assam, mob violence and revocation of Article 370 led to the growing sense of fear among the Indian minorities.
Last month, the Subcommittee on Asia, the Pacific, and NonProliferation of the US House Foreign Affairs Committee also held a hearing on the situation in Kashmir. (PTI)
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sudarshan wrote:
Looks like they take lessons from each other on how to humiliate and demoralize. I've read on this very forum before, that if Hindu men (anywhere) became aware of an approaching mob, they would grab whatever weapons they could, and *liberate* their women folk before harm came to them. Can you imagine that! As far as being betrayed by neighbors goes, I read a chilling account (again on this forum) by a member (don't want to name, if he wishes, he can retell his story) of three of his aunts (so it was a personal account, not a second- or third-hand one), and what happened when they were trying to escape from Lahore (IIRC) during the partition times. A trusted neighbor apparently offered to take care of putting them on the train (or whatever) to India, only, they were never heard from again.

It's all part of a formula. And that formula has been handed down from the beginning.
I've read about the cutting of breasts of raped victims in a news story that had nothing to do with terrorism (incident happened in Bihar or UP ages ago). Seems like a procedure that some people like to adopt. To try and understand this mind set is to contemplate a level of depravity beyond what I can do. For the same reason, I did not read link posted. And yes, I do recall reading a story by a poster about his aunts (told by his uncle)- not from Lahore IIRC. More eastern geography. If neghbours cannot be trusted, the implications are scary.... For sure, if the mosques blared out messages asking Hindus to leave, the mosques and mullahs are complicit. Dont know how Modi is going to solve this.
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How India finally grabbed Jammu and Kashmir - Dr Moonis Ahmar

Hundred days after the revocation of Article 370 and 35(A), India is still grappling with popular resentment in the Muslim-dominated Jammu and Kashmir (J&K). The August 5 Jammu and Kashmir Reorganisation Act and its implementation on October 31 meant to formalise the annexation of J&K by New Delhi.

Since the Indian government signed the so-called Instrument of Accession with Maharaja Hari Singh on October 26, 1947 till August 5, 2019, New Delhi pursued a gradual approach to grab J&K in such a manner that the momentum of Kashmiri resistance which had reached its peak in early 1990s was neutralised and finally liquidated. Over a period of 72 years, India has been able to establish its control over Jammu and Ladakh as both regions are now primarily non-Muslim territories. But the issue is of the Valley of Kashmir with eight million Muslim inhabitants. After more than 100 days of lockdown, press censorship and excessive use of force against demonstrations particularly in Srinagar, Indian authorities are confident they will permanently neutralise the popular resentment against military occupation of the Valley and ending J&K’s special status.

Is India’s policy of grabbing J&K going to have any impact on the international community and how would Pakistan, which calls J&K its jugular vein, reconcile with the fact of losing J&K to India? One needs to examine the age-old policy of India’s quest for territorial expansion particularly the one related to J&K from two angles. First, in order to pamper the inhabitants of J&K after signing the Instrument of Accession, India provided assurances about maintaining the identity of the Kashmiris by introducing Article 370 in the Indian Constitution. This gave J&K a special status by allowing it to have its own flag, president and prime minister and restricting the centre’s control to only defence, foreign affairs, communications and finance. Later on, in order to gain the trust and confidence of the local people, the Indian government introduced Article 35(A) which forbade Indian nationals from buying property and voting in state elections.

Cleverly, post mid-1950s, after establishing its control over J&K, India deviated from the granted autonomy and replaced the posts of president and prime minister of J&K with governor and chief minister. In order to prevent any popular movement against the erosion of Article 370 and growing Indian interference in the affairs of J&K, New Delhi introduced several black laws that allowed the use of cruel methods like detention without warrant. Several laws were introduced by the Indian government like the Jammu and Kashmir Public Safety Act 1978, Terrorist and Disruptive Activities Act (TADA) 1990, Jammu and Kashmir Disturbed Area Act 1990, and the Armed Forces (Jammu and Kashmir) Special Powers Act 1990. Such acts almost ended J&K’s special status and converted it into a military garrison of India.

Secondly, India’s annexation of J&K reached its final stage when Hindu nationalists led by the ruling BJP and its ally, Shiv Sena, realised their state was strong enough to abolish Articles 370 and 35(A). Armed with a two-thirds majority in the lower house, sound economic standing and strong connectivity at the international level, the Indian state decided to strike on August 5, 2019, by giving a practical shape to its age-old dream of annexing J&K into the Indian Union. During PM Modi’s first term, the BJP was breaking ground to implement its party’s manifesto of repealing Article 370 and 35(A). The ruling party also did a lot of homework to deal with any possible reaction to August 5, particularly when Home Minister Amit Shah and National Security Adviser Ajit Doval, during their visits to Srinagar, gave the final touches of ending J&K’s special status.

Both BJP hawks were confident that there will be no harsh reaction to scrapping Article 370 and 35(A), whereas eight million Muslim Kashmiris would be neutralised via lockdown, search operations, extra-judicial killings, and extra reinforcements of Indian military force. They were also confident that the Act would smoothly pass through the Indian Parliament despite the BJP lacking a majority in the upper house. In the absence of the State Assembly of J&K whose assent of the Jammu & Kashmir Reorganisation Act was a legal requirement, the puppet governor of J&K consented on behalf of the assembly. By embarking on such a drama devoid of legality and morality, the Indian government managed to grab J&K and divide it into two union territories of Ladakh, and Jammu and Kashmir.

After the administrative grabbing of J&K, BJP’s next and most important task is grabbing the land of its so-called union territory. Since now there is no legal hitch for Indian nationals to buy property in J&K, in the coming months one would see an influx of business tycoons from India with a purpose to invest in real estate and settle millions of non-Muslims in the Kashmir Valley. In the absence of any practical support from Pakistan and the deployment of around a million Indian military personnel, including the Border Security Force (BSF), popular resistance by Kashmiri Muslims is not an issue. Some of them can be co-opted in the new administrative set-up in the Valley and others who are diehard Kashmiri Muslim nationalists will be silenced with excessive force or through displacement. It may appear to be a nightmare for Kashmiri Muslims and their supporters in Pakistan but the manner in which India planned and executed its “grabbing J&K” policy is sufficient to pass through the painful process and finally control the land and people of the Valley.

Regrettably, over 100 days have passed and India has managed to maintain control of J&K. India failed to reciprocate Pakistan’s efforts in opening the Kartarpur Corridor for the Sikh community and has hardened its position since August 5 and October 31. In this scenario, the situation for Muslim Kashmiris is like being stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea as they cannot challenge the Indian military might, and if they assert their position they will face the retaliation of the Indian state. It will be a great tragedy for the people of IOK if they encounter a situation which the Palestinians are experiencing in the Israel-occupied West Bank and Gaza. As Israel has been able to get away with its occupation of Palestinian lands, India is following the path of the Jewish state.

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Centaur is haram. No true Momin can live under such a symbol. Just shows how brutal the PM is, he shows no sensibility towards Momin's feelings.
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Rats under the pillow keeping company to the rats putting their heads on the pillow.
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More than 80,000 students appear in Class-8th annual exam
By Daily Excelsior - 17/11/2019
99 per cent attendance recorded: Officials

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SRINAGAR, Nov 16: After the students of Class 10th and 12th appeared in their annual examinations, more than 80000 Class 8th students while braving cold today appeared in their annual examination conducted by the State Institute of Education (SIE) in more than 900 centres set-up across Kashmir division.
Principal SIE, Mehboob Hussain told Excelsior that 84,641 students appeared in the examination at 978 centres set-up across Kashmir in various private and Government schools. Previously, for annual examination of Class 10th, 65,000 students showed their appearance across 413 exam centres, while as for Class 12th examination 48000 students showed their presence across 433 exam centres.
The officials said that the proper arrangements were made in order to facilitate the smooth conduct of the examination across Valley. The examination began 10 am in the morning and ended at 12: 30 p.m. The first paper, Science, was scheduled to be held on November 11; however, same was postponed due to the heavy snowfall ahead of it.
With regard to the attendance of the students appearing in the examinations, Mehboob said that 99 per cent attendance was recorded in the examinations. Previously, almost the same attendance for the Class 10th and 12th was witnessed. “The attendance was exceptional and the credit goes to students for showing up for their exams; we did everything to facilitate the smooth conduct of exam,” he said.
While the authorities said that the arrangements were put in place, the students complained that no substantial heating arrangements were made inside the examination halls, making them face difficulties in writing the paper. The students were up early in the morning and were seen marching towards their respective exam centres being accompanied by their parents. “While many of friends said that proper heating arrangements were made, there were few schools in Srinagar where the students were literally freezing due to cold,” a student said.
Parents of the students also said that the authorities could have changed the timing of the examination and instead of morning, they could have conducted it around noon, “particularly, for Class 8th students, the authorities could have changed the exam timing as they were freezing,” a parent said.
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Railways conduct another leg of trial-run
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SRINAGAR, Nov 16: After first successful leg of trail-run, the railways carried out another leg of trial-run of the train in the Valley from Srinagar to Banihal early in the morning.
The trial has come after the train service remained suspended for more than three months in Valley.
A Railway official told Excelsior today that the trial was conducted which was carried out in a smooth manner and culminated peacefully at Banihal Railway Station. Earlier, as a part of the first leg of the trial, the run was carried out from Srinagar -Baramulla.
“The train will carry out one trip from Baramulla to Banihal tomorrow at 11:35 a.m.; it will be a single trip as it will not return to the station of its departure,” an official said.
The Railways have suffered more than Rs 3 crore loss after its suspension before August 5, post stripping the erstwhile State of J&K of its special status, leading to lockdown for more than 100 days.
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5 OGWs of Hizb arrested in Sopore
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SRINAGAR, Nov 16: Security forces today arrested five Over Ground Workers (OGWs) of Hizbul Mujahideen from Sopore area of North Kashmir while Enforcement Directorate attached properties of Pakistan based commanders of the outfit in South Kashmir.
Security forces arrested five OGWs of HMfrom Sopore area of North Kashmir’s Baramulla district today after receiving specific information about their movement in the area.
Army’s 22 RR, CRPF and Sopore Police today laid a naka at Bus Stand in Sopore area of Baramulla district and arrested three OGWs – Hilal Ahmad Mir son of Mohammad Hamza Mir resident of Brat Kalan Sopore, Sahil Nazir Mir son of Nazir Ahmad Mir resident of Brat Kalan Sopore and Peerzada Mohammad Zahir son of Bashir Ahmad Shah resident of Chak Brat Sopore of Hizbul Mujahideen.
Threatening posters were recovered from their possesion by the security forces. A police official said that they were involved in threatening shopkeepers, businessmen in the area and asking them not to open their shops and operate their businesses. He said that they were wanted by police and case (FIR 266/2019 dated 16-11-2019) was registered against them and investigations are going on.
Another naka was laid by Army’s 22 RR, CRPF and Sopore Police at Bypass Crossing in Sopore area of Baramulla district and two OGWs were arrested. They have been identified as Ulfat Bashir Mir son of Bashir Ahmad Mir resident of Nowpora Jageer Sopore and Ajaz Ahmad Bhat son of Mohammad Subhan Bhat of Darpora Bomai Sopore.
Two hand grenades were recovered from them. A case (FIR 280/2019 dated 16-11-2019) was registered and investigations are going on.
In the meantime, Enforcement Directorate today attached immovable properties of two top Pakistan based commanders of Hizbul Mujahideen in Pahalgam area of South Kashmir’s Anantnag district.
A team of ED accompanied by Jammu and Kashmir Police today attached 9 kanals of land belonging to Amir Khan who is Pakistan based commander of Hizbul Mujahideen. The property was attached at Liver village in Sirgufwara area of Pahalgam.
Three kanals of land belong to Khursheed Ahmad who is also based in Pakistan was seized today in the same village. The two militant commanders are most wanted by security forces in Kashmir and they are involved in financing and launching of HM militants into Kashmir.
The ED was investigating financing of HM in which the two commanders are accused of funding militancy.
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attached properties of Pakistan based commanders of the outfit in South Kashmir
Lol read it full above post. And yindoo got to prove God exists and everything else at each step of litigation!!
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SriKumar wrote:1. As much as I expect senseless brutality from terrorists (e.g. ISIS) Sunanda V.'s recounting of what she saw/heard takes the horror to a new, inhuman level, and this was in the early 90s!!
What Pakistan let loose on India were not humans. I've never heard of woman being sawed into 2 (though I've heard of terrorists using drills in Iraq and Egypt in one case on a woman journalist). Forcing women to eat blood-soaked rice...unbelievable; even animals are not like this.
Sawing humans is nothing new. Mughals did it and these are the descendants of the same people. The idea is to spread fear:
"Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji was tortured for five days, he was made to sit on hot iron plates, and thrown into a cauldron of boiling water. Right in front of Guru Ji, his companion Bhai Mati Dass was sawed in two and Bhai Sati Dass was wrapped in cotton, and hot oil was poured on his body and set on fire."
From realsikhism.com
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SriKumar wrote:
sudarshan wrote:
Looks like they take lessons from each other on how to humiliate and demoralize. I've read on this very forum before, that if Hindu men (anywhere) became aware of an approaching mob, they would grab whatever weapons they could, and *liberate* their women folk before harm came to them. Can you imagine that! As far as being betrayed by neighbors goes, I read a chilling account (again on this forum) by a member (don't want to name, if he wishes, he can retell his story) of three of his aunts (so it was a personal account, not a second- or third-hand one), and what happened when they were trying to escape from Lahore (IIRC) during the partition times. A trusted neighbor apparently offered to take care of putting them on the train (or whatever) to India, only, they were never heard from again.

It's all part of a formula. And that formula has been handed down from the beginning.
I've read about the cutting of breasts of raped victims in a news story that had nothing to do with terrorism (incident happened in Bihar or UP ages ago). Seems like a procedure that some people like to adopt. To try and understand this mind set is to contemplate a level of depravity beyond what I can do. For the same reason, I did not read link posted. And yes, I do recall reading a story by a poster about his aunts (told by his uncle)- not from Lahore IIRC. More eastern geography. If neghbours cannot be trusted, the implications are scary.... For sure, if the mosques blared out messages asking Hindus to leave, the mosques and mullahs are complicit. Dont know how Modi is going to solve this.
I think that we also need to remember that not all neighbors are the same. There have been incidents the other way around as well. My grandma used to narrate to us situations where neighbors helped each other on both sides during the razakar frenzy in Hyderabad state. The situation was terrifying including ghastly tales of babies being impaled on spears.
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Cain Marko wrote: I think that we also need to remember that not all neighbors are the same. There have been incidents the other way around as well. My grandma used to narrate to us situations where neighbors helped each other on both sides during the razakar frenzy in Hyderabad state. The situation was terrifying including ghastly tales of babies being impaled on spears.
If, God forbid, it comes to crunch time, on what basis is one to make that split-second decision as to whether or not to trust a neighbor? Especially when some folks have a distinct conflict between their humanity and their religion?

Sunanda ma'am's speech was completely ignored by the western media, so far as I could see. There was some reportage in Indian media, even TOI and Economic Times were reporting it in a positive way.
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Cain Marko wrote: I think that we also need to remember that not all neighbors are the same. There have been incidents the other way around as well. My grandma used to narrate to us situations where neighbors helped each other on both sides during the razakar frenzy in Hyderabad state.
I dont like to give rhetorical responses, but in this case, I think the rhetorical response is better than addressing facts. My response to your comment above is: Tell that to Sunanda Vashisht. (I fully agree that all cannot not be brushed with the same broad stoke and stereotyped, but any new facts should also be considered).
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You read the above and you see why the netaship of Cash More is in the Centaur-e-Rodentstan (apologies to the tiny critters). They were looking after the real estate INSIDE INDIA!!!!! of terrorists sitting in POrK!!!!!!!!!! Just let that soak into you. They were selling the Valley to the POrKis. Wonder how much more of the real estate inside J&K is "owned" by Pakis? How about Mumbai? Dilli? (I mean other than JNU)? Ayodhya?

While the original owners were languishing in refugee camps!!! :twisted: :evil:

Remember that Pakis cannot be OCIs. So HOW are resident Pakis enabled to own land inside India? Were the JK State Govt and Polis unaware of this? Are POrKi terrorists given Indian passports too? Aadhar cards? Driving licenses? They get Govt baksheesh deposited into their terrorist accounts under MMSji's Right to (not)Work?

I think this situation MUST be spread far and wide via Teetar.
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https://tribune.com.pk/story/2101042/1- ... -galloway/
These shits obviously not heard Sunanda Vashist's statement at hearing in USA
This Galloway guys is supporting armed rebellion in J&K
Shouldn't the Government take note of this and issue a Demarche to the UK high commissioner??
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Phew! I thought I was going to have to waste time inventing some kind greetings to someone in UQ. But no concerns:
Speaking at an international seminar on ‘Human Rights in Indian Occupied Kashmir’ in Karachi, organised by the Centre for Peace, Security and Developmental Studies (CPSD)
See-Bissed must be a subsidiary of the Pakistan Institute of Strategic Studies (BISS)
:rotfl:
But list the British terrorists nevertheless:
George Galloway
Lord Duncan McNair
David Ward
Marcus C Thomlinson
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Take THAT, America and the Dunia!
Bakistan will not fight other beebal's wars in future!! No More Mr. Nice Guy!
(Terroristan) suffered a lot due to its policy of becoming a part of foreign conflicts in the past, vowing that the country “from now onwards will only play a con-silly-tory role between rival nations”.

“One main lesson we have learned in the last four decades is that we must not al-Lie ourselves with any country where we have to GUBO and flight someone else’s war,” said the premier while addressing an international conference ‘Margalla Dialogue ’19’ – organised by Islamabad Policy Research Institute (IPRI) in the federal capital on Thursday.

“Initially [in the past] our governments thought that they would gain by becoming a front-lying state and condom for some powerful country… we gained something in the shape of foreign aid but in the end, if we analyse, we lost far far more than what we had gained and were debriefed continuously,” he said, adding, “Many of the problems [our] country have been facing today is the results of the flawed decisions made during 1980s and 1990s.”
Blah-blah :(( Cash-More Bwah- Bwah! :(( deleted
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