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5. PoK wait for it
PoLadakh actually.
but will people belonging to that faith accept an indic as a teacher of their religious scriptures?
Or will Marxist s accept an Indic as teacher of Marxism in IIT even now that litigating behaviour has reached there? We got raw deal by not litigating/rioting/propagandisting/international enough looks like.

I think the intellectual s just make the most of diversity for looking good, now taken over by hindoo-phobia; without ever debating if laws of limitations affect diversity the worst and mono-isms least. Such bland (lazy is more correct word) behaviour dumps any resulting confusion on natives - called heatheins pegeins kooffr non-believers in general terms - until 'next looter' (Chinese, alongwith previous ones in li e) is ready.
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https://twitter.com/ShefVaidya/status/1 ... 8272230400
Just saw a poignant message from a Hindu student from @RutgersU. It is a heartfelt cry for help. The Hindu Students Council of facing a lot of backlash and hate from other students, professors as well as Kashmiri Muzlim orgs just for organising an event. Shameful.
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Axiom 1: Yep, a Jaichand under every stone. :eek:
Axiom 2: there are lot of HINOs. Anyone saying otherwise is a Jaichand.
Axiom 3: There are no MINOs. There is only taqiya.
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^^My SeeAyyeh contacts tell me that videography is restricted by Rutgers at the above event. Free Expression/ Academic Phreedom in action, Rutgers ishtyle :roll: . No enterprising You-Tubers/Twits there, hain? Hope to see plenty of video and audio bliss. At least get us good descriptions of events (not) like this one:

Witzel Wins Harvard Dharma Debate
IRFAN has obtained an exact transcription from video of the event.
See? The sheer power of good data and intrepid photo/audio journalism!
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UlanBatori wrote:The Hindi textbook said that Shivaji's soldiers brought him the bibi & beti of a defeated (dead) Islamic invader in one of those shoulder-carried containers {to serve as Advisors, I suppose}. Shivaji chided his soldiers, and ordered them ( I mean the BB& Beti) rehabilitated with H&D {in high positions in the Mumbai film industry}, and apologized to them for his soldier's misunderstanding of his standards of conduct. And Advisors.
OT but it was neither the biwi nor the beti but the Bahu of the Subedar of Kalyan (who had been killed in battle against Shivaji's army) who was brought before Shivaji (and sent back with her H&D intact).
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UlanBatori wrote:^^My SeeAyyeh contacts tell me that videography is restricted by Rutgers at the above event. Free Expression/ Academic Phreedom in action, Rutgers ishtyle :roll: . No enterprising You-Tubers/Twits there, hain? Hope to see plenty of video and audio bliss. At least get us good descriptions of events (not) like this one:

Witzel Wins Harvard Dharma Debate
IRFAN has obtained an exact transcription from video of the event.
See? The sheer power of good data and intrepid photo/audio journalism!
How much of that would be fair and free since it was about dharma debate?!

Something i came across, read it full
What lay beneath
Another point - Secrets Of The Shrine
Recently, one evening, when the ASI official was reading out the list of the day's finds, the nominee of one litigant objected to the ASI saying "terracotta human figurine"."To say 'human' is to interpret the artefact, which is not your job," was the objection. "You should only say 'figurine'."
This after all hard work, how will money poured in asi will help if interpretation is done is only some ways avoid other ways and so on.
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https://twitter.com/PrashantKishor/stat ... 7784132608
Prashant Kishor @PrashantKishor

15 plus states with more than 55% of India’s population have non-BJP Chief Ministers. Wonder how many of them are consulted and are on-board for NRC in their respective states!!
Another bit on Maha ..
https://twitter.com/IndiaToday/status/1 ... 0467936256
India Today @IndiaToday

#MahaMess | Sonia Gandhi gives nod to alliance with Shiv Sena; Maharashtra deal finally sealed?
Watch #TTP with @PreetiChoudhry : https://bit.ly/2KDOWH6
After weighing carefully the pros and cons, Matashree has given permission to for an alliance with Matoshree.
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sivab wrote: Samskritha Bharati is not RSS, never was.
Samskritha Bharati is RSS affiliated organization. Anybody is sangh can have an opinion, however only the Sahkaryavah or PP Sarsanghachalak represents the official position of the Sangh.
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Embedded video ..
https://twitter.com/AhmAsmiYodha/status ... 5802285056
The Activist, #JaiShriRam @AhmAsmiYodha

New #ChiefJustice wanted his mother to witness his swearing in ceremony

His mother attended the event on stretcher

He touched her feet before taking oath

#UrbanNaxals will have a hard time swallowing it
Somebody speculating about the impact on Assam of a countrywide NRC.
https://twitter.com/VoiceOfAxom/status/ ... 6178170880
Voice of Assam
@VoiceOfAxom
Nationwide NRC will be implemented and NRC process will be repeated along with Nationwide NRC: Amit Shah

That's means cut off date of NRC in Assam will be the same as National NRC cut off date, that is, 1951.
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https://twitter.com/CNNnews18/status/11 ... 4049963010
News18 @CNNnews18

#NewsAlert – Congress has insisted that the new alliance should stress on the word – secular. There should be no communal agenda. Shiv Sena has told NCP and Congress that it is a true liberal party: Sources.

#MahaStandOff
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^They used to beat up and rob Malayali and Tamizhan residents of Mumbai regardless of caste, creed or gender so I agree, they are truly Secular. Like the New York subway muggers. Perfect fit with the Con party too.
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SPattath wrote:
sivab wrote: Samskritha Bharati is not RSS, never was.
Samskritha Bharati is RSS affiliated organization. Anybody is sangh can have an opinion, however only the Sahkaryavah or PP Sarsanghachalak represents the official position of the Sangh.
You can check a recent talk on Srijan on subject of RSS
RSS: Myth Vs Reality | Ratan Sharda | Philosophy And Ideology Of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3iMPr9izs8
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Shiv Sena accepts Sharad-Sonia’s secularism clause. Goes all out against the government in the JNU case
The point of contention between Shiv Sena and NCP was the use of the word- Secularism in the alliance’s Common Minimum Programme (CMP). Shiv Sena asked for a change in the wording, on which an NCP leader suggested the use of the “…will adhere to Preamble of Indian Constitution” instead of Secularism, to which all the parties agreed. But after a few hours, Sanjay Raut agreed to endorse the word Secularism too.
The party has also supported the JNU protestors. Sena’s spokesperson slammed the Police and paramilitary action against the students, and also condemned the fees hike.
As per the agenda of Common Minimum Programme (CMP) of the coalition, Shiv Sena has also given up on the demand to award Bharat Ratna to Veer Savarkar.
By compromising on both ideological issues on which Bal Thackeray popularized Shiv Sena among the common people of Maharashtra, the party has dug its own grave. Aditya Thackeray might become Chief Minister of the state for the next few years, but, by the next election, there will be no Shiv Sena for sure.
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So the Shiv Sena has converted for the sake of a rice bag (that rice bag of course being Aditya Thakrey) and is now displaying all the zeal of the new convert in dissing everything it stood for earlier and praising the new paradigm. What a fall!
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Now bjp can finish them off by giving bharat ratna to savarkar
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ArjunPandit wrote:Now bjp can finish them off by giving bharat ratna to savarkar
Not the easy way ...

Introduce a bill in the Maha assembly to "recommend" Bharat Ratna for Savarkar and let the Sena MLAs vote it down. After enough ruckus has been generates then only should Modi&co. should grant Bharat Ratna with full fanfare.

Better, start padyatra/rallies across Maha to pressure the newly minted Maha CM to ask the GOI to grant BT to Savarkar. Also to force Sena/CON/NCP MLAs to support the demand or shoot it down in their constituencies. I am betting that apart from Sena MLAs quite a few NCP/CON MLAs too could be put under pressure.

Such opportunistic to re-define state politics are rare. Hopefully BJP leverages it to the hilt.
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A lot of claims were made about how BJP would do uber chankian stuff and take control of MP and Rajasthan. It hasn't. Both states in INC kitty refilling its treasury and making INC-mukt bharat a remote possibility. Now its losing Maharashtra and similar back-slapping on social media by BJP supporters mocking the SS-NCP-INC setup while all 3 actors thrash out the details.

Sometimes I think BJP supporters are caught up in their own echo-chamber. No offence. The loss of Maharashtra is a very big deal.
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^^yes.good articulation sir....ss has done the ultimate political suicide..the only casualty i find in the fight is the hindutva cause. In the end SS like elements are needed to keep peacefuls peaceful. The only way forward is selectively coopting such elements and politically eliminating the ricebags
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Karan M wrote:A lot of claims were made about how BJP would do uber chankian stuff and take control of MP and Rajasthan.
The fact that Amit Shah & Co did not try hard to retain MH also gives an indication that they have done their due diligence as well. From the way the BJP folks did the Article 370 revocation; I am pretty convinced that they know how to study & understand an issue and come up with some good plans. So with the same folks also involved in evaluating MH election results and BJP prospects; I don't think they have missed out on any thing. The decision taken to stick to their grounds would be based on the inputs they received. Let us wait and see; perhaps this may be a move to lose a battle to win the war. May be a lot of us have just assumed that BJP scores goals always and every time; that may not happen in reality.
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Or, they are caught between a rock and a hard place. Unable or unwilling to give in to Sena demands and trying to swing things their way. I found this part really problematic.

"15 plus states with more than 55% of India’s population have non-BJP Chief Ministers. Wonder how many of them are consulted and are on-board for NRC in their respective states!!"

This is becoming an issue for the BJP. They have lost some of their most important states and we keep believing in omnipotence of AS and co.
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Karan M wrote:A lot of claims were made about how BJP would do uber chankian stuff and take control of MP and Rajasthan. It hasn't. Both states in INC kitty refilling its treasury and making INC-mukt bharat a remote possibility. Now its losing Maharashtra and similar back-slapping on social media by BJP supporters mocking the SS-NCP-INC setup while all 3 actors thrash out the details.

Sometimes I think BJP supporters are caught up in their own echo-chamber. No offence. The loss of Maharashtra is a very big deal.
Some are celebrating BJP's Congress style managing locals with same evil central tactics and using agencies (ED/CBI/EC/etc) and collaborating with anti-Hindu elements as Chankian. INC slowly lost as they centralized more and dictates coming from family coterie and local parties emerged as alternatives. Now Hindus are losing distributed nature of power centers and they are being consolidated as BJP as only savior and losing any other alternative political support systems across regions.
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Assuming Shah may have misread the ground situation, what about Modi? Is he not worried by the latest turn of events? So why did he also agree to let Sena go even if Shah got it wrong?

Modi/Shah are on the same page as far as the political situation is concerned. They have something in mind when they have voluntarily vacated the field to sit on the sidelines. That they have voluntarily vacated the field is without doubt.
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https://twitter.com/CNNnews18/status/11 ... 5594151936
News18 @CNNnews18

#NewsAlert - Pragya Singh Thakur made part of Rajnath Singh-led defence ministry panel.
Hmm ... this is prime bait for liberandus.

Reactions have started flowing in ... First one that I came across ... I am sure we would have the leading Liberandus commenting too.
https://twitter.com/kamaljitsandhu/stat ... 1344764930
kamaljit sandhu @kamaljitsandhu

In another first, terror accused BJP MP Sadhvi Pragya nominated to defence committee.
Well done democracy.

BJP MP Pragya Singh Thakur nominated to the Parliamentary Consultative Committee of the Ministry of Defence-
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^^valid point Karan, no one is denying it's a set back in short term. Both from the perspectives of
1. weakening the BIF eco system. Note the states out of BJP's control: Raj, Mah, MP, all three are staunch hindi heartlands (not necessarily BJP).
2. Monetary funding: While BJP in center will not be wholly dependent on the coffers of these states, but still it matters ...
In the end, ABV was sunk by smugness too
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https://twitter.com/CNNnews18/status/11 ... 2730527749
News18 @CNNnews18

#Alert – Cong to climb down from using the word - ‘secular’ in their bid to form govt in Maharashtra with Shiv Sena. Congress says that the Maharashtra govt will abide by the spirit & preamble of the Constitution: Sources.
Some later reports seem to suggest that Sena has now agreed to include the world "secular" in the CMP.

Added later: Embedded video
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आलू बोंडा @ek_aalu_bonda

Will pappu @RahulGandhi & liberal gang who r praising SS; support this demand of their new ally shivsena?

SS MP rajendra gavit ji, 'today' requested goi to give bharat ratna to veer savarkar ji to increase prestige of this award.
And: un-bundle this ...
https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/11 ... 3413278720
Shiv Aroor @ShivAroor

Prithviraj after Cong-NCP meet:
"Had a good meeting. Now we'll leave for airport where we'll have meeting. Then we'll leave for Mumbai. After meeting on plane, we'll have meeting after reaching. Then will decide on date for final meeting on when to meet regarding govt formation."
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If recent history (last 5 years) is any indication, I believe that the events in Maharashtra have been gamed by the BJP leadership and the pros and cons of the situation taken into account. Politics is a long drawn out race rather than a sprint.

Even though I trust the BJP leadership in their strategy, there is a definite sense of unease at the current turn of events. One look at the States bordering the Paxis tells us that every state on the West with the exception of Gujarat seems to be out of BJP's hands.
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I would not be worried too much about Punjab as it is in better hands than akalis. Capt may not be the most honest guy, but he's better than akalis even after considering his paki mistress
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I hold the Capt. in high regards, my concern is for the ecosystem and the other states.

In other news:
Apologies in advance if this has been posted earlier.

Takedown of Owaise by Prince Tucy
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Karan M wrote:A lot of claims were made about how BJP would do uber chankian stuff and take control of MP and Rajasthan. It hasn't. Both states in INC kitty refilling its treasury and making INC-mukt bharat a remote possibility. Now its losing Maharashtra and similar back-slapping on social media by BJP supporters mocking the SS-NCP-INC setup while all 3 actors thrash out the details.

Sometimes I think BJP supporters are caught up in their own echo-chamber. No offence. The loss of Maharashtra is a very big deal.
Some people (and media) might have got too excited, but as far as I am concerned MP and RJ were simple two-sided contests...the BJP lost their incumbent goremint, and must respect the electoral mandate.

KA is a different story, where the Congis were voted out but tried to stay in power by manipulating a JDS puppet goremint/CM. In that case, the BJP certainly worked to topple it and have succeeded. Now even JDS says they will back BJP in the event of a bypoll setback.

MH is a yet another different ball game. Multicornered politics with a motley cast of characters. Things are not what they seem, and there are background games that have been played. As for the result, the electoral mandate was still with the BJP-SS alliance. The clarity of BJP's stand after the SS tantrums is a clear indication that the party was prepared for this drama beforehand. That said, one similarity with KA is that that a party with barely 19% of seats is trying to form goremint with support of UPA which also has only 34% seats (i.e. they were hardly the voters' choice either). If this goremint forms at all, I doubt it will end well.
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Karan M wrote:Or, they are caught between a rock and a hard place. Unable or unwilling to give in to Sena demands and trying to swing things their way. I found this part really problematic.

"15 plus states with more than 55% of India’s population have non-BJP Chief Ministers. Wonder how many of them are consulted and are on-board for NRC in their respective states!!"

This is becoming an issue for the BJP. They have lost some of their most important states and we keep believing in omnipotence of AS and co.
KaranM,

You are right. I think this will have some impact on people on other states as well. Hindu mango folks are not yet at such a mature level that they will rally behind one political force and keep pushing them back into power with unanimity at all levels (Centre and State). We need somewhat of a federated Hindu power structure since Hindus themselves are more federated. That is especially true when it comes to state/local elections. Over the course of time BJP should try to assimilate these forces (especially their future generations) into themselves. It shouldn't be my way or the highway. We have to build a non INC eco-system in this country to last more than just 10 years so that deep tentacles of this India for sale and BIF is uprooted from it's roots. Other than playing Savarkar card & issues of national security what opportunities BJP have that will send ripples through Maharashtra coalition ? Back in the day they were successful in breaking JDU from coalition with RJD & INC in Bihar. May be they are hoping for the same here.
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Predictably, Queen madam's slaves are hailing her 'sagacity'

https://www.rediff.com/news/column/for- ... 191121.htm

It doesn't take a political rocket scientist to realize that it is the aversion to BJP that is at the core of alliance between Congoons and Shiv Sena thugs

It is the Bharatiya Janata Party's ouster from the political scene of one of the country's most important states which is India's financial capital as well as the home of Bollywood.

The resultant blow to the BJP's prestige will be devastating less than half a year after its Lok Sabha triumph.
In retrospect, and I am wondering, was it a mistake on BJP's part to not contest more seats and try and get a majority on its own?

I was watching a debate on TimesNow and there seems to be some cocky confidence in the SS camps that this unholy alliance with Sonia will somehow sink BJP. There was one Thackeray's slave who always comes in saffron robes, possibly an Andhrite like me judging from his accent, and he was self righteously declaring that 'concern' for farmers stitched the alliance with Sonia & Co. And he said this with a straight face :-). Ans he also went on to add that as soon as they are sworn in, they will give some massive dole outs to farmers.

Now, Rahul Shivshankar, smart cookie that he is, shot back and pointed out what a bold-faced lie that was. Because the SS-BJP manifesto also said exactly the same thing, namely, relief for farmers once they are voted in. And he went on to add that it was the CMship that SS was after, not farmers. Good journalism.

Anyway, what a colossal betrayal by the low-life SS thugs. Libtards are sure celebrating. And if as they hope, delusion or not, this split is the beginning of the end of the BJP juggernaut, well what does it say about us Hindu?

An alien Italian Catholic uses Hindu internecine squabbles to defeat Hindus. Maybe too early for such a dire prediction, but definitely plausible. KaranJi posted those stats on BJP power in states. Its roughly 50-50 and Sonia controlling quite a few states. Far from Cong mukt Bharat.
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ramana wrote:No they wont. Alighar Uty is a case in example.

Many HINOs are defending this Muslim Sanskrit teacher appointment as they think the issue is that of teaching language only.
The BHU appointment is not in the Dept of Languages but in the Dept of Hindu Religion and in contravention of the founders requirement.

Can you please quote where you getting your information from about department of Hindu Religion and founder”s requirements?

Below is interesting right up not sure how much of it is true.

Background and family info
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^^^ try my twitter thread

https://twitter.com/macgupta123/status/ ... 67522?s=21

Follow the couple of links in there.
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all political problems in the country can be traced back to this one big flaw in the Indian political psyche.


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Folks who immediately start bemoaning "Hindoo disunity" after any state election setback should probably chill out. Again, if this frankenstein goremint forms in MH, it will be the same situation as in KA...i.e., Uddhav will be a puppet CM serving at the pleasure of the UPA...he has already descended to the status of a bhikhari with his conduct in public.

Like JDS, the SS is just another small state party whose influence is really concentrated in one part of the state and is steadily being eroded. This is a last-ditch effort to stay relevant, but will not work. When the politically savvy baap-beta pair of Devagowda and Kumaraswamy could not succeed, there is no chance for the dork duo Uddhav and Aditya. Most likely these twerps will be eaten alive by Pawar and Congis. Uddhav has over the last few years been trying to pinprick BJP by contesting elections in other states...and has lost deposits in something like 100 seats. A real loser.
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CRamS wrote:Anyway, what a colossal betrayal by the low-life SS thugs. Libtards are sure celebrating. And if as they hope, delusion or not, this split is the beginning of the end of the BJP juggernaut, well what does it say about us Hindu?
After reading Hindu history, I have found that greed has been the main weakness of Hindus (greed for power, money and fame). Dozens of instances where some selfish Hindus kept damaging the cause of entire Hindu race just to butter their own bread and satisfy their own greed for personal aggrandizement. Many examples exist, like Shiv Sena, Hindu money bags bankrolling anti-Hindu newspapers and groups, Hindus allying with BIF forces in America to talk against India, Hindus supporting anti-Hindu political parties in return for contracts ... they will do anything for money, power and fame
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In Delhi University if you do not graduate in your final year, you vacate the hostel and find a room in Jawahar Nagar or Mukherjee Nagar nearby. My classmates from Bihar, UP and North East did that. But in JNU, 47 year old leech, Moinuddin from Kerala, is a hostler since 1989.


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NCP-Cong-Sena Plan for looting is all set in the name of "pro-people schemes" and "farmers welfare'". All infra projects will stop and they will loot the state dry.


Ahmedabad-Mumbai bullet train project may hit roadblock If the Cong-NCP-Sena combine comes to power in Maharashtra
A senior NCP source told IANS that "during the first meeting of the three parties in Mumbai last week, discussions were held on the Ahmedabad-Mumbai Bullet train project in which we informed the leaders that according to Central government, the Maharashtra government would be bearing ₹5,000 crore of the total ₹1.08 trillion cost."

"And then we came to a conclusion that once we form the government in the state then we will inform the Central government that the state government will not bear the cost of the high speed train project and will spend the same money on some other pro-people schemes," he said.

The party source said that the state government will spend the amount for farmers' welfare.
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What do Maha voters feel about it?
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