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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Sumeet » 22 Nov 2019 01:19

Karan M wrote:Or, they are caught between a rock and a hard place. Unable or unwilling to give in to Sena demands and trying to swing things their way. I found this part really problematic.

"15 plus states with more than 55% of India’s population have non-BJP Chief Ministers. Wonder how many of them are consulted and are on-board for NRC in their respective states!!"

This is becoming an issue for the BJP. They have lost some of their most important states and we keep believing in omnipotence of AS and co.


KaranM,

You are right. I think this will have some impact on people on other states as well. Hindu mango folks are not yet at such a mature level that they will rally behind one political force and keep pushing them back into power with unanimity at all levels (Centre and State). We need somewhat of a federated Hindu power structure since Hindus themselves are more federated. That is especially true when it comes to state/local elections. Over the course of time BJP should try to assimilate these forces (especially their future generations) into themselves. It shouldn't be my way or the highway. We have to build a non INC eco-system in this country to last more than just 10 years so that deep tentacles of this India for sale and BIF is uprooted from it's roots. Other than playing Savarkar card & issues of national security what opportunities BJP have that will send ripples through Maharashtra coalition ? Back in the day they were successful in breaking JDU from coalition with RJD & INC in Bihar. May be they are hoping for the same here.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby CRamS » 22 Nov 2019 02:09

Predictably, Queen madam's slaves are hailing her 'sagacity'

https://www.rediff.com/news/column/for- ... 191121.htm

It doesn't take a political rocket scientist to realize that it is the aversion to BJP that is at the core of alliance between Congoons and Shiv Sena thugs


It is the Bharatiya Janata Party's ouster from the political scene of one of the country's most important states which is India's financial capital as well as the home of Bollywood.

The resultant blow to the BJP's prestige will be devastating less than half a year after its Lok Sabha triumph.



In retrospect, and I am wondering, was it a mistake on BJP's part to not contest more seats and try and get a majority on its own?

I was watching a debate on TimesNow and there seems to be some cocky confidence in the SS camps that this unholy alliance with Sonia will somehow sink BJP. There was one Thackeray's slave who always comes in saffron robes, possibly an Andhrite like me judging from his accent, and he was self righteously declaring that 'concern' for farmers stitched the alliance with Sonia & Co. And he said this with a straight face :-). Ans he also went on to add that as soon as they are sworn in, they will give some massive dole outs to farmers.

Now, Rahul Shivshankar, smart cookie that he is, shot back and pointed out what a bold-faced lie that was. Because the SS-BJP manifesto also said exactly the same thing, namely, relief for farmers once they are voted in. And he went on to add that it was the CMship that SS was after, not farmers. Good journalism.

Anyway, what a colossal betrayal by the low-life SS thugs. Libtards are sure celebrating. And if as they hope, delusion or not, this split is the beginning of the end of the BJP juggernaut, well what does it say about us Hindu?

An alien Italian Catholic uses Hindu internecine squabbles to defeat Hindus. Maybe too early for such a dire prediction, but definitely plausible. KaranJi posted those stats on BJP power in states. Its roughly 50-50 and Sonia controlling quite a few states. Far from Cong mukt Bharat.
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Katare » 22 Nov 2019 02:09

ramana wrote:No they wont. Alighar Uty is a case in example.

Many HINOs are defending this Muslim Sanskrit teacher appointment as they think the issue is that of teaching language only.
The BHU appointment is not in the Dept of Languages but in the Dept of Hindu Religion and in contravention of the founders requirement.



Can you please quote where you getting your information from about department of Hindu Religion and founder”s requirements?

Below is interesting right up not sure how much of it is true.

Background and family info

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby A_Gupta » 22 Nov 2019 04:06

^^^ try my twitter thread

https://twitter.com/macgupta123/status/ ... 67522?s=21

Follow the couple of links in there.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 22 Nov 2019 07:16

all political problems in the country can be traced back to this one big flaw in the Indian political psyche.


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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KL Dubey » 22 Nov 2019 07:31

Folks who immediately start bemoaning "Hindoo disunity" after any state election setback should probably chill out. Again, if this frankenstein goremint forms in MH, it will be the same situation as in KA...i.e., Uddhav will be a puppet CM serving at the pleasure of the UPA...he has already descended to the status of a bhikhari with his conduct in public.

Like JDS, the SS is just another small state party whose influence is really concentrated in one part of the state and is steadily being eroded. This is a last-ditch effort to stay relevant, but will not work. When the politically savvy baap-beta pair of Devagowda and Kumaraswamy could not succeed, there is no chance for the dork duo Uddhav and Aditya. Most likely these twerps will be eaten alive by Pawar and Congis. Uddhav has over the last few years been trying to pinprick BJP by contesting elections in other states...and has lost deposits in something like 100 seats. A real loser.
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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sanjayc » 22 Nov 2019 07:38

CRamS wrote:Anyway, what a colossal betrayal by the low-life SS thugs. Libtards are sure celebrating. And if as they hope, delusion or not, this split is the beginning of the end of the BJP juggernaut, well what does it say about us Hindu?


After reading Hindu history, I have found that greed has been the main weakness of Hindus (greed for power, money and fame). Dozens of instances where some selfish Hindus kept damaging the cause of entire Hindu race just to butter their own bread and satisfy their own greed for personal aggrandizement. Many examples exist, like Shiv Sena, Hindu money bags bankrolling anti-Hindu newspapers and groups, Hindus allying with BIF forces in America to talk against India, Hindus supporting anti-Hindu political parties in return for contracts ... they will do anything for money, power and fame

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 22 Nov 2019 08:14

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In Delhi University if you do not graduate in your final year, you vacate the hostel and find a room in Jawahar Nagar or Mukherjee Nagar nearby. My classmates from Bihar, UP and North East did that. But in JNU, 47 year old leech, Moinuddin from Kerala, is a hostler since 1989.


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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rony » 22 Nov 2019 09:12

NCP-Cong-Sena Plan for looting is all set in the name of "pro-people schemes" and "farmers welfare'". All infra projects will stop and they will loot the state dry.


Ahmedabad-Mumbai bullet train project may hit roadblock If the Cong-NCP-Sena combine comes to power in Maharashtra

A senior NCP source told IANS that "during the first meeting of the three parties in Mumbai last week, discussions were held on the Ahmedabad-Mumbai Bullet train project in which we informed the leaders that according to Central government, the Maharashtra government would be bearing ₹5,000 crore of the total ₹1.08 trillion cost."

"And then we came to a conclusion that once we form the government in the state then we will inform the Central government that the state government will not bear the cost of the high speed train project and will spend the same money on some other pro-people schemes," he said.

The party source said that the state government will spend the amount for farmers' welfare.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Kashi » 22 Nov 2019 09:14

What do Maha voters feel about it?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby arshyam » 22 Nov 2019 09:28

For the people in those 100 odd constituencies that voted NCP + INC, pretty good, I guess.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Sachin » 22 Nov 2019 09:59

At least going by media reports this "trio" govt. in MH is not going to have a smooth sail. As the saying goes "there is no honesty among theives"; sooner or later they would start backstabbing each other. And as I understand the trio have STILL NOT managed to reach a consensus. All we hear is of Shiv Sena doing many levels of grovelling and foot worshipping.
Uddhav's core team takes battle ahead in Maharashtra
Uddhav Thackeray, Aaditya meet Sharad Pawar in Mumbai
Maharashtra Govt Formation LIVE: Cong, NCP leaders to meet MahaAghadi allies; Sena chief to chair meeting with MLAs

sanjayc wrote:After reading Hindu history, I have found that greed has been the main weakness of Hindus (greed for power, money and fame).

The Sangh by this time would also have realised this problem of Hindus :). In Indian history what I have noticed is that any group which came in as a cohesive force has been able to take control of things. Mughals came, followed by the Brits. Both were very cohesive and worked with a united vision. And RSS & BJP also can take on a similar strategy. Agreed, all Hindus or Hindu parties may not support them (like what Shiv Sena did now) but still a unified force will have an advantage over small groups especially if they are disunited. I still feel that BJP chanakyas can still cause disunity in this unholy marriage and mess up things.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Kashi » 22 Nov 2019 10:28

arshyam wrote:For the people in those 100 odd constituencies that voted NCP + INC, pretty good, I guess.


...and 56 constituencies that voted for SS. They wanted their man in power and are getting it. Can't complain.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby greatde » 22 Nov 2019 10:56

Surely this all is well, or Modi/Shah knows what they are doing is just being very hopeful. Right now, its a lost battle on this Maharashtra and possibly Jharkhand. There will be more battles in future, but right now is a difficult phase...

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Sachin » 22 Nov 2019 12:05

greatde wrote:Surely this all is well, or Modi/Shah knows what they are doing is just being very hopeful. Right now, its a lost battle on this Maharashtra

Why do you think A. Shah & Na.Mo just allowed this to be played out? They are also not political novices? Do you feel that they did not have any other options? BJP has come up with very many unique schemes like "Op. Kamala" etc to get into power. So they too are not babes in the woods.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 22 Nov 2019 12:28

greatde wrote:Surely this all is well, or Modi/Shah knows what they are doing is just being very hopeful. Right now, its a lost battle on this Maharashtra and possibly Jharkhand. There will be more battles in future, but right now is a difficult phase...

Yes ... Modi met Pawar a few days back to congratulate him on his victory against the "so-called Chanakya of the Indian politics"... see the item below.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 152417.cms
NCP chief Sharad Pawar finally "outwitted" the "so-called Chanakya of the Indian politics", the party takes a jibe at BJP.

The NCP's chief spokesperson Nawab Malik also reiterated that the throne of Delhi could not make Maharashtra bow before it.
How cruel of Moti jee :rotfl: He not only backstabbed his own Chanakya but also congratulated Pawar on his maneuvering abilities just a few days back in the parliament and outside.

Modi keeps winning and weak hearted folks keep loosing their mind.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Vikas » 22 Nov 2019 12:33

Elections are won and elections are lost. Why so much gloom and doom.
BJP will never be ruling all the states for all the time. Someday they will even lose GJ. That is the nature of electoral politics. AS and NM are mere mortals.
IMO BJP did the right thing and cut out their losses. I don't know if SS led govt would fall or complete 5 years but atleast foe and friend is clearly identified. Also inherent contradictions between a small state level party fed on local chauvinism and full fledged state level party struggling to stay relevant and a so called national party struggling to reclaim the state and some money would come to the fore pretty soon.

I hope like TN, MH would still grow and prosper despite thieves looting it.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 22 Nov 2019 12:45

CRamS wrote:Anyway, what a colossal betrayal by the low-life SS thugs. Libtards are sure celebrating. And if as they hope, delusion or not, this split is the beginning of the end of the BJP juggernaut, well what does it say about us Hindu?

An alien Italian Catholic uses Hindu internecine squabbles to defeat Hindus. Maybe too early for such a dire prediction, but definitely plausible. KaranJi posted those stats on BJP power in states. Its roughly 50-50 and Sonia controlling quite a few states. Far from Cong mukt Bharat.

Let the Libtards celebrate.

Let me also share with you something I personally have observed about "some" Hindus. There are a set of Hindus, always have been in all ages, who at the first wiff of a setback, will pull down their own white dhotis, without being asked, shape it into a flag, attach it to a pole and wave it furiously as a sign of surrender even before the skirmish is over!

Shocking ... but true.

OTOH, there are other Hindus who keep planning/playing/fighting with the big picture in mind. Small setback/losses don't matter to them in the big scheme of things. I dare say, at times they invite small losses to purge the field of weak hands.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 22 Nov 2019 15:41

Also note, Chanakya never took the expected path ...

Btw, If "most" lay person can figure out the plan then, it, by definition is not a chanikyan at all! To be called a Chanakyan, a plan has to be counter-intutive and go against common sense & logic as judged by most people. By definition, one has to go beyond the first level thinking.

Lets examine the most intuitive option available to BJP in Maha. Some facts before analysis.
a. BJP won 105 seats on its own
b. BJP rebels won another 15
c. Total Maha assembly strength = 288, IIRC
d. Sena, BJP's pre-poll alliance, won 56 seats, IIRC

Therefore,
1. BJP-Sena alliance had a comfortable majority and could have formed the government.
2. BJP on its own or with its rebels could not get a simple majority of 145.

Therefore,
1st level thinking dictates that BJP should have agreed to Sena's proposal (Rotating CM + 50:50 portfolio sharing offer including ATM ministries). Also in line the another principle "Perfect is the enemy of Good enough". Such a compromise to retain power but more importantly to prevent NCP/CON combine to gain power in a highly critical state would have been considered practical & logical and therefore non-chanakyan. Would have been a decent compromise no doubt.

However, BJP, in its own wisdom, walked off the field! AND there is no denying that it walked off on its own. Beyond repeating that it had no such 50:50 understanding with Sena, BJP made no effort to form a government.

This is highly counter to very element of common sense & logic that we know. Either BJP is "stupid" or it is playing to a scipt that we do not know. There can be no other option.

Now, after having seen Modi/Shah duo operate, we can strike off the 1st options i.e. they are certainly not "stupid" to surrender a critical state like Maha without a fight.

So my dear friends, what remains, no matter how improbable must be true i.e. Modi/Shah are playing according to their own script, one that is beyond our understanding.

Does it mean that Modi/Shah will succeed and Maha will get a BJP government shortly? Not al all! They have made a bet, a play if you will, that defies common sense/logic. They might success or they might fail spectacularly but they are not "stupid" that much we can rest assured.

If I had to make a bet, I would unreservedly back Modi/Shah duo to meet their objective whatever it is. Btw, their play will only be visible after it has run its course.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby A_Gupta » 22 Nov 2019 16:08

“They miscalculated (Shiv Sena’s need for power)” is way more plausible than “they are playing 11-dimensional chess”.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby abhijitm » 22 Nov 2019 16:12

Kashi wrote:
arshyam wrote:For the people in those 100 odd constituencies that voted NCP + INC, pretty good, I guess.


...and 56 constituencies that voted for SS. They wanted their man in power and are getting it. Can't complain.

True. To add to your point, SS has fed their voters enough poison about BJP, they don't care. Little awkwardness as they are venturing into something never done before, but they will be okay. SS voters never motivated by hindutva. For them marathi identity is the most imp. There is anger in SS voters against bjp mumbai as bjp is seen mainly as gujrati and north indian backed party. Which in a way is not completely false. If you visit hospitals, bmc and many private offices in mumbai and see marathi staff then you should know they are there because of SS and MNS. If you see lower middleclass/middleclass marathi people still living on prime land of south mumbai against all powerful builder lobbies then it is because of SS. Otherwise they could have been pushed out far away in nalasopara and kalyan. So, expecting them to turn their back on SS and next time vote bjp is totally delusional.

However, this split is blessing in disguise. Because till now BJP couldn't poach SS voters as it was an ally but now BJP can go full force to woo them, assure them that their identity and welfare is not at risk. These people will be more amicable to BJP than cong, ncp. I sincerely hope BJP does this otherwise these 3 parties can form a formidable long lasting alliance.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 22 Nov 2019 16:22

let's see during the floor test.

there are folks in the SS, NCP and the congi who are fearful of what will surely follow the formation of any non BJP govt in MAH.

the pawarful peoples themselves are staring at the nooses and proof would have been furnished by now to all concerned.

some people just should not be crossed, as some white vesties from TN have discovered to their extreme dismay.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 22 Nov 2019 17:35

A_Gupta wrote:“They miscalculated (Shiv Sena’s need for power)” is way more plausible than “they are playing 11-dimensional chess”.

By last Friday (15th Nov) Sena/NCP/CON where confident of forming their government and had publicly declared their intent to meet the Governor.

Even after that Sena (Raut???) had issued a statement that they were willing to back the BJP/Sena alliance IF BJP was willing to accept the 50:50 terms. BJP did not make any effort to bring them back.

India Today running commentary on 16th Nov. I will try to get a link to the above mentioned statement.
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/m ... 2019-11-15
Shiv Sena wonders if PM was kept in loop about 50:50 formula

[b]09:13 AM IST

Shiv Sena leader Sanjay Raut on Thursday said that had BJP president Amit Shah informed Prime Minister Narendra Modi about the "50:50" seat-sharing formula "in time", Maharashtra would not have been facing the current political impasse[/b].
This should work as a substitute.
09:15 AM IST

Sources have told India Today that the Common Minimum Programme has been finalised. As per CMP, Shiv Sena will get the CM for the full term, 14 ministers will be from Shiv Sena and NCP each, 12 from Congress among others. CMP mentions focus on farmer and youth issues. No mention of Hindutva-related issues.
By this time there should have been no doubt in the BJP camp about "Senas's need for power"
15:47 PM IST

"Anything can happen in cricket and politics. Somewhere you feel you are losing the match, but the result is exactly the opposite," Nitin Gadkari said when asked about the current political situation in Maharashtra.

17:12 PM IST

Maharashtra BJP president, Chandrakant Patil: We have the highest number. With 119 MLAs we will form the BJP government in the state, Devendra Fadnavis has expressed this confidence before party leaders. We are committed to giving a stable govt to state. There can't be a government in Maharashtra without BJP.
Fadnavis/Modi/Shah made no moves even after Sena/NCP/CON come to an agreement.
20:22 PM IST

Sources from Congress have said that the three parties' common minimum program (CMP) has been finalised. They said that Shiv Sena wants a decision should be taken as soon as possible since the MLAs are "under threat". Sources said that MLAs are getting contacted.

According to sources, the CMP is based on the manifestos of all the three parties - Shiv Sena, Congress and NCP. All issues included by NCP and Congress in their manifestos will be accepted by Shiv Sena through the CMP. Congress sources said that all three parties are very serious about forming the government and want it to happen as soon as possible.
By now CON too has confirmed that the deal between parties has been sealed. BJP still sitting on its hinds
23:50 PM IST

The vision of the RSS and its affiliated organisations is not limited to "forming government" but it is more about "nation-building", senior BJP leader Nitin Gadkari said in Pune.

"We (Sangh parivar) have a clear vision, and it is not limited to forming government or making anyone chief minister or prime minister," the Union minister said.

"We have a clear vision about our ideology and we should work for rebuilding the nation," he said.

Gadkari did not make any direct comment on the current political situation in Maharashtra where his party could not form government despite emerging as the single-largest party after the last month's elections.

"Ideology is important and human relations are even more important for us," he said.

This when it was clear that Sena/NCP/CON had reached an agreement on common minimum program and were on their way to form the next government in Maharashtra.

By the end of the day (16th Nov 2019), Gadkari had stated the unstated quite unambiguously. BJP is sitting out this innings/phase. A RSS man, also IIRC requested by Sena to "mediate" and a man deputed by Modi/Shah for trouble shooting in and around Maharashtra multiple times before.

Nothing could be clearer.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby kittoo » 22 Nov 2019 17:37

A_Gupta wrote:“They miscalculated (Shiv Sena’s need for power)” is way more plausible than “they are playing 11-dimensional chess”.


Yeah. Occam's razor/duck principal and all.
Though its not without silver lining. NCP and Congress are minority parties through and through. Lets see how much compromise Shivsena makes on these. The more the better I say. Something's gotta give here. Will Shivsena brace secular politics?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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https://www.firstpost.com/politics/maha ... 58351.html
16:54 (IST)

BJP to focus on local body elections in Maharashtra, says Chandrakant Patil

BJP state chief Chandrakant Patil told reporters after a meeting with 56 state party leaders that the BJP is set to face the upcoming local body elections in various parts of the state with a positive outlook.

According to a report in News-18 Lokmat, the 56 leaders were among those who had unsuccessfully contested the state Assembly polls.
BJP signalling as if it has accepted the current political alignment.

16:35 (IST)

Seating arrangement of Shiv Sena MPs in Parliament changed
This was also in news a couple of days back when Sena MPs complained that their RS seats had been changed without consulting them. Again, BJP has been signalling it acceptance of the current political alignment for quite a while now.

BJP clearly not expecting Sena to return back to the alliance and it made no effort to get Sena on board after declining to form a government on its own.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KL Dubey » 22 Nov 2019 17:42

The BJP is playing for the long run in MH. Both BJP and SS realize there is no room (nor does it make sense) for two large parties to claim 'Hindutva' in MH. Duplication of effort in the same camp is always disastrous. Furthermore SS was only using the Hindutva claim to ride piggyback on BJP...it is only about Thakretva and not Hindutva. Uddhav has decided to jump to the 'secular' camp before his party is eaten away by BJP...since he does not have the courage or vision to merge into BJP.

Same patterns as BH and KA....overambitious (but underpowerful) state poltoo trying to form a rump goremint with 'secular'/UPA running the show behind the scenes. Neither Nitish, Gowdas, nor Thakres have been able to form a stable goremint without BJP in the last 25 years. After seeing two such cases play out recently, I agree with Gadkari that the third will probably not last long.

As for BJP, there is now a free run to claim the entire Hindutva space. The party has the resources to do it. Additionally, it can now add SS corrupts to the prosecution list and speed up prosecution of NCP and INC corrupts. The decks are cleared. The SS has always been a pain in the ass of everyone, so if the BJP has now transferred this millstone from its neck to that of UPA, that is welcome!

As of now the BJP has shown a completely clarity and consistency....no bargaining with SS, and immediately forking over the SS MPs in Sansad to the opposition benches. This is clearly Amit Shah's objective.

Now I don't know if there are a lot of MLAs in the SS who have trouble swallowing the shack-up with UPA, and whether they will switch sides. But Amit's game is long-term...if SS wallahs switch sides and end up forcing a new election, theek hai.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KL Dubey » 22 Nov 2019 17:47

kittoo wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:“They miscalculated (Shiv Sena’s need for power)” is way more plausible than “they are playing 11-dimensional chess”.


Yeah. Occam's razor/duck principal and all.
Though its not without silver lining. NCP and Congress are minority parties through and through. Lets see how much compromise Shivsena makes on these. The more the better I say. Something's gotta give here. Will Shivsena brace secular politics?


Sh!t Sena is nothing more than a Thakre family business. Uddhav and Aditya are now ready to embrace anything to gain power, they are literally begging. I think BJP is looking at this from a proactive standpoint. The objective is to get rid of the SS and have a free run to establish itself as the only Hindutva and national party of importance in MH.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 22 Nov 2019 17:54

If it is still not clear .. here it is form the horses mouth on the other side .. This is from today where as the last 2 posts where form 16th-Nov

https://www.firstpost.com/politics/maha ... 78361.html
15:11 (IST)

Haven't gotten any call from BJP: Uddhav Thackeray tells MLAs

Earlier today, Shiv Sena MLAs had made it clear that they wanted Uddhav Thacker to be the chief minister. "But his word would be final and would be binding on all of us," Sena MLA Bhaskar Jadhav said. According to Jadhav, Thackeray rejected speculation that the BJP was in touch with him and had offered the chief minister's post to the Shiv Sena.

"Till today, I haven't got any call from the top BJP leadership. This is nothing but a ploy to malign the image of Shiv Sena," he quoted the Sena president as saying. Thackeray instructed the MLAs to stay together in Mumbai as they may be required any time, he said.

Gadkhari/Shah/Modi had no time for poor UT even while the Sena/NCP/CON alliance was almost finalized last Friday/Saturday. I think they do appreciate "Sena's hunger for power" and have decided to cut Sena loose.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby A_Gupta » 22 Nov 2019 18:40

There have been reports that the BJP also pursued Mr Pawar - his NCP is only two seats behind the Shiv Sena and can help the BJP cross the majority mark in Maharashtra - and that the NCP veteran was offered the President's post as bait.

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEH ... id=IN%3Aen

Add that to the narrative.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 22 Nov 2019 18:55

^^
Same was stated for Sena that UT has rebutted today .... Btw, NCP did support BJP last time and might support BJP again. For all we know, BJP might well deal with Sena again but they have been unwilling to go along with Sena's current demands/blackmail.

Moving on ...
https://twitter.com/ShekharGupta/status ... 2739748864
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https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 869972.ece
NRC is not a new idea, we have only updated the 1951 NRC list: CJI Ranjan Gogoi

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 22 Nov 2019 21:07

https://twitter.com/PTI_News/status/1197841184770576386
Press Trust of India @PTI_News

Congress wants a "grand temple" to be built in Ayodhya, SC decision acceptable to all, says Rajasthan Deputy Chief Minister Sachin Pilot.

Do whatever you want but the credit for Ram Temple push will go to Modi/BJP only. Seems more like a defensive strategy to protect self/turf.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby A_Gupta » 22 Nov 2019 21:24

#SoniaSena seems apt.

So is #KhichdiAlliance

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Gyan » 22 Nov 2019 21:29

Let's look at some more facts


1 BJP is suffering in Bihar, Orissa by giving in to local parties in 1990s

2 On other hand BJP rough street presence is poor in MH compared to SS, Congress, NCP even they have organisational strengths.

3 BJP may start poaching left out unhappy MLAs after swearing in. Can they rope in Raj Thackeray?

4 Fadnavis made a play for muslim, Christian votes through his wife antics but fell between two boats. So he is hardly an icon of Hindutava. He could not build an image adequate enough to sweep the State nor was able to destroy NCP, Congress Eco system.

5 There cannot be Hindutava without powerful Hindu business & Hindu muscle power. BJP score is poor on both counts.

Let's see How it Plays out.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby CRamS » 22 Nov 2019 21:59

I think SS strategy is that on Hinduthva items they can compromise for the sake of power, and just wait and watch because nothing much is going to happen. And in any case, even Pappu's slaves are saying this want grand Ram temple. So pretty much all of Pappu slaves' hate on Hindus has dissipated in one stroke.

I am not sure what ModiJi Shah thinking is, but maybe not putting Congoons on the dock with a triumphant mood of celebration post Ayodhya verdict was a mistake.

I got the following from #s from a libtrad's tweet, but I don't think the #s he is quoting are fake. Posting here just to debunk a couple of things: 1) BJP is invincible, and 2) there is no opposition to ModiJi/AS. I hope BJP does not believe in this media created hype about BJP's pervasiveness


-2017 was the peak when 71% of India’s population was under the BJP

-In 2018, after the loss of CG, MP & Rajasthan, it reduced to 51%

-And now as Maharashtra goes out of its hands, only 40% of India’s population remains under BJP rule.


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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Vikas » 22 Nov 2019 23:24

I don't understand this lament that BJP did nothing to form the govt in MH as if BJP leadership took sanyasa immediately after the results.
Do we really think that BJP is happy to let go a state like MH to Con party ?

I think some folks forget that BJP, at the end of the day is a Political party and AS is a mortal only. I don't think there is any grand chanakian niti in AS's pocket that he will spring on all of us. Everyone plays by the ear and as per their strength.
BJP could not stop JD+Cong to form the govt in KA earlier.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby abhijitm » 22 Nov 2019 23:31

BJP intriguingly is very quiet so far only some statements here and there but no strong criticism, no morcha dharna etc. In other circumstances a party would have brought its supporters on the street for protest but nothing of that sort. There is unusual quiet.

Either they have a plan or they are still in shock.

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Picklu » 22 Nov 2019 23:36

Katare wrote:
ramana wrote:No they wont. Alighar Uty is a case in example.

Many HINOs are defending this Muslim Sanskrit teacher appointment as they think the issue is that of teaching language only.
The BHU appointment is not in the Dept of Languages but in the Dept of Hindu Religion and in contravention of the founders requirement.



Can you please quote where you getting your information from about department of Hindu Religion and founder”s requirements?

Below is interesting right up not sure how much of it is true.

Background and family info


Katare,

OpIndia has multiple reports on the same:

https://www.opindia.com/2019/11/bhu-mus ... exclusive/

https://www.opindia.com/2019/11/bhu-stu ... -sanskrit/

https://www.opindia.com/2019/11/bhu-pro ... fake-news/

Add to this the upcoming SwarajyaMag's article from arguably the best investigating reporter of dharmic nature

https://twitter.com/swati_gs/status/119 ... 48640?s=20

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ArjunPandit » 22 Nov 2019 23:39

^^vikasji do here remember the maulana modi trend on twitter few months back???
Need i say more...
Keep calm and believe in MARD..thats what i would say..all this is a distraction for what lies ahead..need not be related to maharashtra...All i have seen so since 2016 demo and J&K govt formation is they'll use this distraction to keep opponents busy with something else..

Here's my prediction,
1. they will let the three musketeers form govt
2. Let their Internal squabbles come to fore
3. Use ED/CBI against corruption cases: here BJP will have SS (BMC) by .....(fill in yourself)
4. Discredit jaichands of hindutva...
5. Ram mandir under their belt BJP doesnt need to tell anyone about their hindutva credentials..public knows who's at the help in Delhi/UP rather than in Mh
6.BJP will form marathi identity talk as well on the lines of SS through the poaches MLAs/MPs

what we I think is that this is a softer version of self purging...B-MC has screwed MH dev for long...
after 2-3 years down the line..just before the center elections....when this issue would have cooled down...and opposition would be busy grappling with other issue....you'd see a BJP govt in Mh...

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby CRamS » 23 Nov 2019 00:15

I see that traitor media like print, wire, Undy etc are relentless in their Jihad against ModiJi on the economy. I speak to some friends and colleagues in India, and yes, there is concern, but not at the level these traitors make it out to be. In any case, Indian economy, is always a case of glass only a small percentage full. One can always pick and choose the negative aspects and harp on it.

But reason I am bringing this up is because is there any truth to the libtard claim that issues like 370, Ayodhya have run its course, and its the economy that is on the minds of people, and hence SS sensed this and they may not be hurt much because the nationalist issues have run their course?

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Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby fanne » 23 Nov 2019 00:31

BREAKING - SOURCES : TWO TOP LEADERS OF NCP AND CONG GOT INTO AN ARGUMENT ON THE SPEAKERS POSITION. AFTER NCP PROMISED CONG THE SPEAKERS POSITION, TODAY THEY WENT BACK ON IT. SITUATION CAME TO A WALKOUT, HAD TO BE SALVAGED BY CALLING IT OFF FOR TODAY. #MaharastraPoliticalCrisis


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