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Guess another syncretic (or what's the word) thing will emerge in Maharashtra and over time subsume (another fancy word) warring natives (not diversity in democracy) under some regional identity after some excuses are provided to enforce something (not victims' guilt or what s that called) - against target of subsuming and such.
Also definitely, strategically, Without complaining, etc are words suited for that line.Hindus suffer ultimately
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Rony wrote:Pawar wanted union agriculture ministry for his daughter Supriya Sule, Fadnavis'' removal; Modi didn''t budge
To support the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) in forming the government in Maharashtra, Nationalist Congress Party (NCP) chief Sharad Pawar had placed two conditions before the saffron party.
First, he wanted the agriculture ministry for his daughter Supriya Sule, who is active at the Central level, and second, he wanted someone other than Devendra Fadnavis to become the Chief Minister of Maharashtra. However, Prime Minister Narendra Modi turned down both the demands.
Sources in the BJP told IANS that the party thought that if it decided to offer the agriculture ministry to the NCP, the Janata Dal United (JD-U), its ally from Bihar, will demand for the railway ministry. In this situation, despite having the mandate, the BJP would loose two big ministries.
As far as the second demand of Pawar is concerned, the sources said the party was never ready to replace Fadnavis as the Chief Minister, mainly because he successfully completed the five-year tenure without any controversies and allegations.
Apart from this, the party contested the elections with Fadnavis as the CM face and even the Prime Minister, while addressing the party workers from the BJP headquarters on October 24, had announced him as the Chief Minister. Hence, it was difficult for the BJP to accept this demand from the NCP supremo.
The sources said that Pawar had sent a message to the BJP, Modi and Home Minister Amit Shah expressing his demands. This was the reason why Pawar didn''t make any strong remark against the BJP after the results of the Maharashtra Assembly elections were out.
Since there were no positive signals from the BJP on his demands, the NCP chief had a 45-50-minute long meeting with Modi in the Parliament on November 20. But Modi didn''t agree to his demands during the meeting.If sources are to be believed, Sharad Pawar was hoping that the BJP will agree to his demands as it was left reeling in the state after the Shiv Sena broke the alliance, but this didn''t happen. Finally, he decided to form the government in alliance with the Shiv Sena and the Congress.
Sharad Pawar was aware that the move will be beneficial for him because his decision to side with the Sena will earn him the title of ''modern day Chanakya'', while had he gone with the BJP, he would have got a say in the Central government too.
from the many postings on SM, it may be a possibility that the SS, NCP and the congis had an understanding even before the recent elections.
pawar junior had approached UT mid term during the last govt to topple the fadnavis govt but UT chickened out.
The seeds to the current coup may well have been planted then. The surfacing of the dawood connections, the cases filed and publicly highlighted just before the elections are not mere coincidences. The BJP was surely aware of the impending game plan.
the agri ministry is a very huge ask. That's where people have made their heavy bucks and its a place from where even international markets can easily be manipulated as was being done earlier.
The Modi govt has maintained a very tight grip over it to prevent any scandals, as indeed they have over the railways' ministry which has led to guys like paswan and nitishwa chafing at the bit.
During Modi's first term, no one heard of dal or onions.
This time, unfortunately, due to the heavy and unseasonal rains, the onions have precipitated a crisis due to the destruction of onion crops in onion growing areas in multiple states. An act of god situation.
Anyone controlling the agri ministry could have created major havoc in the markets and cleaned up by the delayed release of domestic onion buffer stocks as also by slyly skewing onion imports too, as had been regularly done for both onions, as well as, rigging the pulses/dals supply-demand and production-import balance.
Ships fully laden with lakhs of tons of pulses would sit purposely idle at Indian ports without unloading their cargo so that prices could be rigged. All this was done by one puppet master who used to jack up international prices by making "innocuous" statements about the "anticipated" shortfall in the pulses/dal production in no less a place than in the parliament of India.
Known international middlemen, who would have already have purchased huge quantities of pulses/dals and would jack up their prices when asked to quote on tenders for import of these commodities into India.
With an assured market, these middlemen would buy low, sell high, pay commission, and laugh all the way to the bank.
Win win for some people and lose lose for us, the long suffering Indian consumers. This racket ran like clockwork almost every year.
No wonder some parties have been desperate since long to join the NDA and have been rightly rebuffed.
However this plays out, the shameful stain of the dawood nexus will follow many people to their graves and beyond, destroying in one go the decades of carefully nurtured stainless public reputations.
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Where is the Hindu Right Going? https://openthemagazine.com/cover-stori ... ght-going/ via @Openthemag
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They do. Below article alludes to that.chetak wrote: from the many postings on SM, it may be a possibility that the SS, NCP and the congis had an understanding even before the recent elections.
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Rahul pandita quoting that Abhijit Iyer guy about "Hindu right". For a supposedly an article on Hindu right intellectuals, i would have thought he would have talked to at least Rajiv Malhotra or guys from OpIndia or Swarajya mag. But all we get is his views and that of that Iyer guy and nothing from the real Hindu right intellectuals.A_Gupta wrote:Where is the Hindu Right Going? https://openthemagazine.com/cover-stori ... ght-going/ via @Openthemag
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Some of these Kashmiri Pandits like Rahul Pandita, Aarti Singh Tikoo sometimes appear holier than though. This is just another BS article. The guys don't realize that Hindu right are rustic, English challenged, and maybe sometimes appear a tad nutty. But what distinguishes them is that they are patriotic sons-of-the-soul, authentic, and above all, do NOT seek white western approbation. This is what p!sses off elite like Rahul pandita who think white validation is the Gold standard. So India's actions in Kashmir are not validateed by whites so fault is with Hindu right. Give me a break,
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says an "honest" man who "presided" over a govt that was a criminal enterprise in all but name
this is what happens when you stop taking your meds
this is what happens when you stop taking your meds
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no time wasted.
and right on the money, as usual
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and right on the money, as usual
Sena, Con, Pawar share governing bodies of richest temples in Maharashtra Siddhi Vinayak, Pandharpur, Kolhapur
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Stalin had Trotsky killed; both were patriots
Eamon De Valera was responsible for Michael Collins death; Both were patriots
Mao had Liu Shaoqi killed; both were patriots
Godse killed Ghandy; both were patriots
History isn’t a binary equation
#PragyaSinghThakur
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Kerala Xian newspapers gloat about defanging of the Hindutva Tiger.
Thank God Balasaheb is not here to see this.
Headlines say " Congress-NCP binds Shiv Sena with Common Minimum Program. "
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That's really blatant, even if I don't know what the captions say. Not that I am complaining,
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Maharashtra is fascinating political experiment that keeps me interested.
https://twitter.com/iMac_too/status/1200608262317494272
https://twitter.com/iMac_too/status/1200659771814100994
https://twitter.com/iMac_too/status/1200608262317494272
Where does that leave Ajit Pawar?iMac_too @iMac_too
Supriya Sule 'rightful heir' to Sharad Pawar's 'great' legacy: Milind Deora
https://twitter.com/iMac_too/status/1200659771814100994
iMac_too @iMac_too
As expected, Home & Finance will go to Pawar party. Kaka in the past never trusted Ajit with Home
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Uddhav Thackeray wins floor test in Maha Assembly with 169 votes.
Media portraying it as a dinosaur sized egg on Fadnavis' face.
Media portraying it as a dinosaur sized egg on Fadnavis' face.
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^^
https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1200695150097223680
https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1200695150097223680
ANI @ANI
BJP's Devendra Fadnavis in state assembly: This assembly session is not per rules.This session started without Vande Mataram, it is a violation of rule. #Maharashtra
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It is a representation of the aspirations of Maha voters. The number of votes is more than the combined strength of the three parties (56+54+44=154).sajo wrote:Uddhav Thackeray wins floor test in Maha Assembly with 169 votes.
Media portraying it as a dinosaur sized egg on Fadnavis' face.
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How? Aspiration was displayed as 105+56.. Unless I missed some sarcasm. I am willing to bet more than half of those 56 got elected purely because people believed they were voting for the existing Govt.Kashi wrote: It is a representation of the aspirations of Maha voters. The number of votes is more than the combined strength of the three parties (56+54+44=154).
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169 - 154 = 15 independents/smaller parties who number around 29 IIRC. It does not require deep analysis.
We can test it in reverse too.
288 - 154 (MVA) - 105 (BJP) = 29 (Others/Independents)
15 of the Others/Independents swung the MVA way and 14 the BJP way. Zimple.
We can test it in reverse too.
288 - 154 (MVA) - 105 (BJP) = 29 (Others/Independents)
15 of the Others/Independents swung the MVA way and 14 the BJP way. Zimple.
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they had purchased the votes of some independents because the three parties feared sabotage from within.sajo wrote:How? Aspiration was displayed as 105+56.. Unless I missed some sarcasm. I am willing to bet more than half of those 56 got elected purely because people believed they were voting for the existing Govt.Kashi wrote: It is a representation of the aspirations of Maha voters. The number of votes is more than the combined strength of the three parties (56+54+44=154).
let's wait and see how long this sickular experiment lasts.
each "partner" seems to be greedier than the other
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Pawarful has grown very wary of Ajit Pawar. Very interesting family dynamics at play for a while now but with AP's play to split the party, cracks are much more visible and troubling for Pawarful.
Doesn't mean NCP is going to split tomorrow or the day after BUT Pawarful has to decide on the successor pretty soon. Interesting times ahead.
Pawarful has grown very wary of Ajit Pawar. Very interesting family dynamics at play for a while now but with AP's play to split the party, cracks are much more visible and troubling for Pawarful.
Doesn't mean NCP is going to split tomorrow or the day after BUT Pawarful has to decide on the successor pretty soon. Interesting times ahead.
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Did Maha voters vote for SS, aspiring it to join Congress and NCP after elections to form the Government? Never heard this aspiration of SS voters at election timeKashi wrote:It is a representation of the aspirations of Maha voters. The number of votes is more than the combined strength of the three parties (56+54+44=154).
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There's no way of telling is it? Unless "more than half of those 56 got elected purely because people believed they were voting for the existing Govt." actually act on those beliefs (unlikely, given that they voted for the new alignment), it shall remain on record that the present Maha government has the support of 169 voters' representatives.sajo wrote:How? Aspiration was displayed as 105+56.. Unless I missed some sarcasm. I am willing to bet more than half of those 56 got elected purely because people believed they were voting for the existing Govt.
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Garga Chatterjee is a stinky skunk that no Bengali worth his salt should touch with a barge pole irrespective of which political party he supports or belongs to. He is a newly repackaged version of the older Bengali Commie agenda of pandering to a frog in the well syndrome of Bengali sub-nationalism. All our great leaders have believed and worked for Indian nationalism. We don't need no skunks to teach us what it means to be a Bengali. Bengal is the birthplace of modern Hindu nationalism after the Maratha empire collapsed.
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Those "seculars" who are gloating about the MVA coming to power in MH will not know in future what hit them if the SS turns out to be a successful political party. Then instead of one you will have two - both ruling and opposition as Hindutva parties. Good luck to UT. Hope you build a party and not a family - as building a family is going to lead you to what has happened to the INC.
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You convinced me earlier that you were in the Jai Garga Chatterjee camp with your detailed presentation on him and his effort in Bengal. Clearly I was wrong! Looks like you are in the anti-BJP camp rather than pro-Garga or pro-Sena or pro-DMK camp.
That is ok too because Modi's 303 came because of mindless anti-BJP-ism that reverse polarizes votes in his favor. Btw, Garga/Mumtaz jee's effort allowed BJP to score big in West Bengal. Please keep bashing Modi with the same fervor as before. Theek hai.
Mindless opposition to NRC too will ensure that BJP eats CON/Left space in Bengal in the next assembly with a fully polarized electorate. Current projection don't show BJP overthrowing the TMC but it will become the principle opposition party in Bengal with a very LS like seat split.
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Garga is not anti- or pro- anything. He is pure tomfool. He has to just speak a few sentences and you can catch him. These are the morphed Commies. After Bengalies kcked out that ideology they are peddling the same horse goo with fresh perfume.
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My comments was on our posters ideology which seems to be anti-bjp. His support for Garga and Sena alliance is because he thinks they will take BJP down. A few days back he was Jai Garga and now he is Jai Maharashtra just like "The Wire" the liar.
Graga is a hole of another kind. While I do not follow him and whatever little I have gathered is because someone passed his comments along and they were just mindless rants of a ant-bjp kind. I have no interest in researching him further. His kind don't swing votes. I would rather watch Pawarful and his moves.
My comments was on our posters ideology which seems to be anti-bjp. His support for Garga and Sena alliance is because he thinks they will take BJP down. A few days back he was Jai Garga and now he is Jai Maharashtra just like "The Wire" the liar.
Graga is a hole of another kind. While I do not follow him and whatever little I have gathered is because someone passed his comments along and they were just mindless rants of a ant-bjp kind. I have no interest in researching him further. His kind don't swing votes. I would rather watch Pawarful and his moves.
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If anyone wants to know what the new generation of Bengali intellectuals think - read or watch them speaking. They are the likes of Sanjeev Sanyal, Anuj Dhar, Anirban Ganguly, etc.
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Sirji, when power is with people who don't vote depending on votebanks see what happened when judgement for RJB was given a few days back. Nothing happened, no horseshit about kheelaphet etc. Don't go by a vs b and work for own good.Godse killed Ghandy; both were patriots
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So MH is the first state in India where both the ruling and opposition party have Hindutva ideology.
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Thank god. My vote to SS went in loosing cause.sajo wrote:How? Aspiration was displayed as 105+56.. Unless I missed some sarcasm. I am willing to bet more than half of those 56 got elected purely because people believed they were voting for the existing Govt.Kashi wrote: It is a representation of the aspirations of Maha voters. The number of votes is more than the combined strength of the three parties (56+54+44=154).
Will never ever going vote for these pawar-hungry party.
Let this be forewarning to BJP going forward. No tie up, just stand on your own feet.
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Were they always like this and we are seeing their true face now?ANI@ANI
RSS joint general secretary Dr Krishna Gopal at an event in Delhi yesterday: I can say with confidence that if Dara Shikoh had ruled India then Islam would have flourished in the country & Hindus would have also understood Islam better.
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He is right in a way. DS was pushing a syncretic form of Islam that had the potential to be very popular and may have provided a good push back vs the extreme Sunni forms currently prevalent.
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https://twitter.com/MeghaSPrasad/status ... 3840729088
Rest I can understand but why the last maneuver from an alliance that has the number plus more? Lack of confidence on their own but theek hai.Megha Prasad @MeghaSPrasad
#DevendraFadnavis storms out of the Maharastra assembly citing violation of the constitution - 1) vande mataram was not sung at the start of the assembly 2) Governor not summoned 3) was informed about new session at 1am [4) protem speaker changed against rules #MahaFloorTest
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baba ji -जाने कौन मोमबत्तियां पकड़ना सिखा गया हमको वरना नारी सम्मान में हम तो #महाभारत और #लंकादहन कर देते थे।
#HyderabadHorror #RIPHumanity #HangRapists #HyderabadMurder
#HyderabadHorror #RIPHumanity #HangRapists #HyderabadMurder
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The Berelvi form of Islam which is prevalent in Indian subcontinent is considered as Liberal Islam compared to the Deobandi which is a later addition. Many Indian muslims were also converted under Sufi influence but after a generation or two, the new generation see them as shirk and want to follow "pure" Islam and want to purge their religion of the shirk with the result that now even Barelvis pretty much resemble the Deobandis for the most part.Even if DS had won over Aurangazeb, there is no guarantee his descendants would have followed his teachings. Aurangzeb himself is a descendant of "liberal" Akbar.Karan M wrote:He is right in a way. DS was pushing a syncretic form of Islam that had the potential to be very popular and may have provided a good push back vs the extreme Sunni forms currently prevalent.
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This is something I posted in another thread about Dara Shikoh:Rony wrote:The Berelvi form of Islam which is prevalent in Indian subcontinent is considered as Liberal Islam compared to the Deobandi which is a later addition. Many Indian muslims were also converted under Sufi influence but after a generation or two, the new generation see them as shirk and want to follow "pure" Islam and want to purge their religion of the shirk with the result that now even Barelvis pretty much resemble the Deobandis for the most part.Even if DS had won over Aurangazeb, there is no guarantee his descendants would have followed his teachings. Aurangzeb himself is a descendant of "liberal" Akbar.Karan M wrote:He is right in a way. DS was pushing a syncretic form of Islam that had the potential to be very popular and may have provided a good push back vs the extreme Sunni forms currently prevalent.
This is from the accounts of the French traveler, Bernier, who traveled extensively in northern India back in the 1600's.One interesting thing in Bernier's work is his account of how Dara Shikoh (Aurangazeb's eldest brother) was on the point of converting to Christianity, and how, if he'd become the Mughal emperor instead of Aurangazeb, India would have got her first Christian ruler right then. Apparently, just before he was murdered, Dara Shikoh kept murmuring "Mohammed has betrayed me, but the son of Miriam will save me."
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Sharad Pawar had sent message to PM Modi and Amit Shah with two demands for his support in Maharashtra, they rejected both
NOVEMBER 30, 2019
Sharad Pawar had sent message to PM Modi and Amit Shah with two demands for his support in Maharashtra, they rejected both
It was also speculated that Sharad Pawar gave his tactical consent to his nephew's move but afterwards, he took to Twitter to deny the alliance of the NCP with the BJP.
OPINDIA STAFF
NOVEMBER 30, 2019
Uddhav Thackeray of Shiv Sena has finally been sworn in as the Chief Minister of Maharashtra after Shiv Sena, Congress and NCP alliance formed the government in the state. The development came after Ajit Pawar of NCP had withdrawn support from the BJP government leading to the resignation of Devendra Fadnavis and Ajit Pawar as CM and Deputy CM respectively. It now appears that Sharad Pawar himself was ready to offer support to BJP and had sent communication with two demands to PM Modi and HM Amit Shah, and BJP had rejected them both, leading to the fall of the 3-day old alliance between Ajit Pawar and BJP.
Sharad Pawar, the NCP supremo had written to Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Home Minister Amit Shah with two conditions to support the government formation in Maharashtra. Both these demands were reportedly rejected by the party.
Demand 1: Removal of Devendra Fadnavis
According to IANS, the first demand that NCP supremo Sharad Pawar had placed before PM Modi and Amit Shah was that Devendra Fadnavis should not be Maharashtra’s Chief Minister and that he should be removed.
It is unclear as to why Pawar was adamant about Devendra Fadnavis being removed as the CM of Maharashtra. Either way, this demand was summarily rejected by BJP. PM Modi and Amit Shah were never in favour of removing Devendra Fadnavis since he had completed his 5-year tenure without any controversy or allegations.
Devendra Fadnavis was the first Chief Minister to complete his 5-year tenure in 47 years.
Apart from this, the party contested the elections with Fadnavis as the CM face and even the Prime Minister, while addressing the party workers from the BJP headquarters on 24 October, had announced him as the Chief Minister. Hence, it was difficult for the BJP to accept this demand from the NCP supremo.
Demand 2: Agriculture Ministry to Supriya Sule
The second demand that Sharad Pawar posed to PM Modi and Amit Shah was the Agriculture Ministry be given to Supriya Sule.
According to IANS, this demand was rejected as well. BJP thought that if it decided to offer the agriculture ministry to the NCP, the Janata Dal-United (JD-U), its ally from Bihar, will demand the railway ministry. In this situation, despite having the mandate, the BJP would lose two big ministries.
The 40-minute meeting between Sharad Pawar and PM Modi
After NCP supremo Sharad Pawar got no response on these two demands from the BJP, Pawar had met PM Modi and conducted a 40-minute meeting regarding the same. According to IANS, during the 40-minute meeting between Sharad Pawar and PM Modi, the Prime Minister did not agree to the demands posed by Sharad Pawar.
On 22 November, Sharad Pawar’s nephew and senior NCP leader Ajit Pawar offered support to the BJP. It was said that Ajit Pawar had the backing of around 30-35 MLAs who were ready to support the BJP.
Read: Hunger for power is such that Shiv Sena wants to align with Sonia Gandhi: Devendra Fadnavis resigns as Maharashtra Chief Minister
It was also speculated that Sharad Pawar gave his tactical consent to his nephew’s move but afterwards, he took to Twitter to deny the alliance of the NCP with the BJP.
According to speculations, though Sharad Pawar had distanced himself publicly, Ajit Pawar had Sharad Pawar’s tacit support in his alliance. Pawar had hoped that BJP will eventually concede to both demands posed by Sharad Pawar however, that did not happen and thus, Ajit Pawar was asked to retreat and NCP joined hands with Congress and Shiv Sena to form the government.
Dilip Deodhar, the RSS ideologue from Nagpur, told IANS, “There was a buzz about Sharad Pawar’s demands in the Sangh, but Modi’s denial was more than that. Since the farmers’ issue is one of the main matters in the state, the agriculture ministry would have been the best bet for the NCP. Sharad Pawar had earlier served as the agriculture minister.
“Secondly, Fadnavis was the choice of Modi so there was no question of replacing him. When Sharad Pawar finally understood that the BJP will not agree to his demands, he decided to ally with the Sena and the Congress.”
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from firstpost
The row between Congress leaders and Pragya Singh Thakur intensified Saturday, with the BJP Bhopal MP attacking the Congress over the 1984 anti-Sikh riots and slamming party leader Rahul Gandhi.
On Thursday, Congress MLA Govardhan Dangi threatened to threatened to burn Pragya alive if she set foot in the state, the same day Rahul took to Twitter to slam the MP.
Pragya hit back on Twitter:
"Congressmen have old experience of burning people, from theSikhs in 1984 to Naina Sahni (victim of the 1995 'tandoor' murder in Delhi) in the tandoor. Rahul Gandhi termed (me) terrorist and his MLA Govardhan Dangi will burn me. So, I am reaching Biaora at his residence in Multanpura at 4 pm on 8 December, 2019. Burn me."
कांग्रेसियों को जिंदा जलाने का पुराना अनुभव है1984 मैं सिखों को और नैना साहनी को तंदूर में जलाने तक का।@RahulGandhi ने आतंकी कहा और उनके विधायक गोवर्धन दांगी मुझे जलाएंगे।ठीक है तो मैं आ रही हूं ब्यावरा उनके निवास मुल्तानपुरा पर दिनांक 8 दिसंबर 2019 समय सायं 4:00 बजे जला लीजिए
— Sadhvi Pragya Official (@SadhviPragya_MP) November 30, 2019
In another tweet, she called Dangi a close associate of senior Congress leader Digvijaya Singh, whom she defeated in the 2019 Lok Sabha polls from Bhopal, and a propagator of "Rahul Gandhi's and Kamal Nath government's idea of non-violence".
यह है कांग्रेस के विधायक गोवर्धन दांगी दिग्विजय सिंह के खास राहुल गांधी के विचारों के पोषक और कमलनाथ सरकार के पैरोकार अहिंसा के पुजारी। pic.twitter.com/FfaEvWjmfZ
— Sadhvi Pragya Official (@SadhviPragya_MP) November 30, 2019
Pragya stirred up a controversy after calling Mahatma Gandhi's assassin Nathuram Godse 'a patriot' during a discussion on the Special Protection Group (SPG) Bill in Parliament, inviting strong criticism from Opposition leaders and leading the BJP to expel her from the Parliamentary consultative committee on defence.