Indian Military Helicopters

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 02 Dec 2019 22:49

He was panned quite vigorously by several people on twitter after his ridiculous Su-30 thermoclines theory.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 03 Dec 2019 00:16

He's been BS'ing people for a long long time and many got convinced by his BS too. He's just such a motor mouth that he occasionally puts a foot in it and gets caught out.

Picklu · Post by **Picklu** » 03 Dec 2019 00:24

In twitter, accuracy does not matter, it's a volume platform.

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 03 Dec 2019 03:05

I agree with JayS! The only way to counter rubbish to present a better alternative with facts and figures. Let them prove those wrong!

Picklu · Post by **Picklu** » 06 Dec 2019 00:33

Cybaru wrote:I agree with JayS! The only way to counter rubbish to present a better alternative with facts and figures. Let them prove those wrong!

They won't. They would simply ignore and let the factual counter die disengaged.

The only way to counter is what the RW media like OpIndia, Swarajya etc are doing; being loud and active continuously to ensure the view point remains alive.

It's a 24/7 job, no middle ground there. Amateurs can't do it; not because they are not knowledgeable but because it is not their daily bread and butter. A solitary occasional blog or paper or counter does not achieve much

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 07 Dec 2019 07:45

Picklu wrote:In twitter, accuracy does not matter, it's a volume platform.

As per Paki Twitter souces entire IAF was shot down with 1 PAF missile, on Twitter as anything possible

mody · Post by **mody** » 07 Dec 2019 15:06

What is holding up the production of the LCH? Has the order for the LSP been placed? I think the actual order is still not been placed.
The IOC was received a long time back. In fact by now, the 15 LSP helis could have been produced. What is the hold up?
Is there some work going on with the LCH? Maybe like increasing he indigenous content by indigenizing some of the LRUs etc?

Maybe someone like RaghuK might be able to give some info.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 08 Dec 2019 22:22

Karan M wrote:He's been BS'ing people for a long long time and many got convinced by his BS too. He's just such a motor mouth that he occasionally puts a foot in it and gets caught out.

I think there is a more sinister angle to him. To me he looks like a trojan who is trying to infiltrate nationalist circles and in future will use this access to damage nationalist causes. They way he has been given media access definitely points to it. Also the imprisonment in orissa which added to his publicity.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Dec 2019 23:52

+1. Best to avoid this chap completely. His frequent rants against desi kit and programs also point to the same.

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 09 Dec 2019 00:05

mody wrote:What is holding up the production of the LCH? Has the order for the LSP been placed? I think the actual order is still not been placed.
The IOC was received a long time back. In fact by now, the 15 LSP helis could have been produced. What is the hold up?
Is there some work going on with the LCH? Maybe like increasing he indigenous content by indigenizing some of the LRUs etc?

Maybe someone like RaghuK might be able to give some info.

Waiting for Mk1A! Will buy more Apaches till Mk1A is ready!

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 09 Dec 2019 05:02

Four more Apaches landed in India last week - total of 8+4 =12 delivered now.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 09 Dec 2019 19:36

**Moved**

*MOD NOTE* - No politics et al here. Please go to appropriate thread. I'm keeping this post for a day or two so you can copy it to correct thread. I will delete it in a day or two - jayS

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 10 Dec 2019 06:01

mody wrote:What is holding up the production of the LCH? Has the order for the LSP been placed? I think the actual order is still not been placed.
The IOC was received a long time back. In fact by now, the 15 LSP helis could have been produced. What is the hold up?
Is there some work going on with the LCH? Maybe like increasing he indigenous content by indigenizing some of the LRUs etc?

Maybe someone like RaghuK might be able to give some info.

The order has already been placed for 15 LCHs and LCH production was also launched back when Arun Jaitley was the DM.

See from 3:40 onwards

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 10 Dec 2019 06:04

When is the handing over? Are they waiting for more missiles?

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 14 Dec 2019 08:15

Safran Ardiden-1U helicopter engine obtains EASA certification for HAL's LUH

Safran Helicopter Engines, on 8 November 2019, received EASA type certification for its Ardiden 1U engine, installed in India's LUH (Light Utility Helicopter). LUH is a new three-ton, single-engine, multi-purpose rotorcraft designed by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) which made its maiden flight in September 2016. Since its first ground test in 2015, the Ardiden 1U maturation and certification campaign has accumulated around 1000 of hours of operation, in test beds or in flight, confirming the high reliability and performances inherited from the previous variant.

Benoit Gadefait, Vice President Medium Helicopter Engines Programmes, stated: "this certification marks a major milestone in both the Ardiden 1 programme and our long-lasting partnership with HAL. The engine performs extremely well and has contributed to the success of the flight test campaign. Recently, the helicopter conducted "hot & high" tests in the Himalayas, showing its abilities to operate in this demanding environment. It took off from remote areas at more than 5,500 meters elevation in hot conditions (up to 30°C), lifting more than the expected payload. The engine revealed high level of reliability and performance, to the satisfaction of all the Armed Forces and Indian MoD representatives witnessing the tests. We remain fully committed to supporting HAL and their end customers as this Ardiden approaches entry-into-service."

The 1U is a derivative with increased power of the 1,400 shp Ardiden 1H1 and includes an innovative control system specifically designed for single-engine rotorcraft.
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Philip · Post by **Philip** » 14 Dec 2019 18:06

Has an ATGM been selected for the LCH?

Bharadwaj · Post by **Bharadwaj** » 14 Dec 2019 22:03

Kartik wrote:Safran Ardiden-1U helicopter engine obtains EASA certification for HAL's LUH

Safran Helicopter Engines, on 8 November 2019, received EASA type certification for its Ardiden 1U engine, installed in India's LUH (Light Utility Helicopter). LUH is a new three-ton, single-engine, multi-purpose rotorcraft designed by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) which made its maiden flight in September 2016. Since its first ground test in 2015, the Ardiden 1U maturation and certification campaign has accumulated around 1000 of hours of operation, in test beds or in flight, confirming the high reliability and performances inherited from the previous variant.

Benoit Gadefait, Vice President Medium Helicopter Engines Programmes, stated: "this certification marks a major milestone in both the Ardiden 1 programme and our long-lasting partnership with HAL. The engine performs extremely well and has contributed to the success of the flight test campaign. Recently, the helicopter conducted "hot & high" tests in the Himalayas, showing its abilities to operate in this demanding environment. It took off from remote areas at more than 5,500 meters elevation in hot conditions (up to 30°C), lifting more than the expected payload. The engine revealed high level of reliability and performance, to the satisfaction of all the Armed Forces and Indian MoD representatives witnessing the tests. We remain fully committed to supporting HAL and their end customers as this Ardiden approaches entry-into-service."

The 1U is a derivative with increased power of the 1,400 shp Ardiden 1H1 and includes an innovative control system specifically designed for single-engine rotorcraft.
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I hope the bl***y acquisition process for the 197 birds gets up and running soon or else will be left with a gap after certification before induction.

Vasu · Post by **Vasu** » 15 Dec 2019 13:03

Hi. When does LCH get a proper name?

Mukesh.Kumar · Post by **Mukesh.Kumar** » 15 Dec 2019 14:09

Vasu wrote:Hi. When does LCH get a proper name?

I recommend christening the LCH as Dhole- The most feared predator of Indian jungles. Hunts in packs. Truly Indian.

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 15 Dec 2019 15:18

In case this was not shared earlier.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 15 Dec 2019 16:26

Vasu wrote:Hi. When does LCH get a proper name?

It already has a name, Janmjeya

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 16 Dec 2019 05:29

No it doesn't. That isn't an official name at all. Tigerbird was a name that was coined by Air Marshal Barbora but even that wasn't an official name.

Describing the LCH as the "Tiger Bird", Vice Chief of Air Staff Air Marshall P K Barbora said: " It's a red letter day not only for the HAL but the whole nation. In avionics, the circus must go on," he said while referring about Saturday's tragic incident in Mangalore." "It is an unveiling of an asset for which the Indian Air Force was desperately looking for. The display was superb. I congratulate the whole HAL team, especially the rotary wing design team," Air Marshall Barbora said.

Read more at: https://www.sify.com/news/LCH-marks-a-n ... chhsi.html

jaysimha · Post by **jaysimha** » 23 Dec 2019 16:29

37 photos of dhruv..

https://hal-india.co.in/TabbedContentDe ... 5&TKey=306

jaysimha · Post by **jaysimha** » 23 Dec 2019 16:34

Aerospace Composites Division

https://hal-india.co.in/TabbedContentDe ... 3&TKey=307

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 25 Dec 2019 03:01

Thanks! Great pictures!

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 25 Dec 2019 06:32

Kartik wrote:

What are the wires seen at 51 seconds?

pushkar.bhat · Post by **pushkar.bhat** » 02 Jan 2020 10:45

The "Wires" are not wires but some cotton ropes holding that airspeed thingy in place.

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 11 Jan 2020 09:01

Navy choppers for HAL unlikely, jet order on the cards.

The defence ministry is likely to remove Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) from Rs 21,000-crore project to manufacture naval helicopters that had been reserved for the private sector. But the government-owned entity is set to get a mega order to produce 83 new Light Combat Aircraft in the coming weeks, taking its order book beyond Rs 1lakh crore.

The naval utility helicopter project, being processed under the strategic partnership model, is now set to go to the next stage, with the navy shortlisting four domestic companies that would be eligible to tie up with three shortlisted foreign vendors for a competition to manufacture 111 choppers in India.

As reported by ET, HAL had made a last-ditch effort to enter the competition by writing to the defence ministry last month. The Defence PSU’s bid had earlier been rejected as the tender documents had clearly mentioned that only private sector companies are eligible. Tata, Mahindra, Adani and Bharat Forge have been identified as companies that meet the financial and technical criteria while foreign vendors Airbus, Sikorsky and Kamov have
been shortlisted as potential technology partners. Once the project is given a go ahead — likely by next week — the Navy will go to the next stage of tendering that will include flight trials and an eventual evaluation of commercial bids.

However, HAL’s hands are set to be full for the next five years, with the government likely to sign a deal for 83 of the LCA Mk 1 fighter jets (that is expected to be in the range of Rs 40,000 crore.

The signing of the deal could take place at the upcoming DefExpo in Lucknow early next month, though sources say that first payments for the contract are likely to be made in the next financial year.

The LCA order — which has been in the works for the past two years — will swell the order books of the government owned entity to beyond Rs 1 lakh crore. According to statistics shared in Parliament, the current order book is pegged at almost Rs 60,000 crore.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 11 Jan 2020 12:36

^^^
HAL is publicly traded company no? Can the government specifically disbar a company based on ownership - tomorrow if say Adani wins the contract there will be another Rafale level political controversy.

csaurabh · Post by **csaurabh** » 11 Jan 2020 13:26

jaysimha wrote:Aerospace Composites Division

https://hal-india.co.in/TabbedContentDe ... 3&TKey=307

What is the 2nd picture? I can't find it in the link.

nandakumar · Post by **nandakumar** » 11 Jan 2020 13:34

abhik wrote:^^^
HAL is publicly traded company no? Can the government specifically disbar a company based on ownership - tomorrow if say Adani wins the contract there will be another Rafale level political controversy.

As long as the Board of Directors of HAL resolve to not bid for it, the Government policy decision debarring HAL becomes infructuous. On the other hand a policy decision not to procure from X or Y by the Government cannot be challenged judicially as long as the decision is on rational grounds.

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 11 Jan 2020 14:59

Terrible idea.. there is zero value in having private player assemble helicopters in India. Hal should be the only design and manufacturing for all heli based designs..

Time to end all helicopter imports.. maybe except the 24 odd asw ones.

jaysimha · Post by **jaysimha** » 11 Jan 2020 18:50

csaurabh wrote: What is the 2nd picture? I can't find it in the link.

Aerospace composite divn.
https://hal-india.co.in/Aerospace%20Com ... ion/M__127

in the above, Image galleries..

Aerospace Composites Division Facilities
https://hal-india.co.in/TabbedContentDe ... 4&TKey=307

First picture happens to be

csaurabh · Post by **csaurabh** » 11 Jan 2020 19:28

Ok, was just wondering what it was. Looks like some kind of inspection equipment.

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 11 Jan 2020 20:44

Army's Six Apache attack choppers to be deployed on Pakistan border.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 11 Jan 2020 20:56

^^^
When did the Army get Apaches?

arvin · Post by **arvin** » 11 Jan 2020 21:46

The 22+6 apache order is to be completed this year.
Inspite of 1965 and 1971, for armoured threat army has been given only 6 apaches.
still havent figured out why IAF needs apaches. They have so many options to accomplish SEAD. Even in NATO only army operates heavy attack choppers.
Hope MOD gives apaches to navy also.

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 11 Jan 2020 22:05

^^^^^^Can you imagine the logistics nightmare for supporting 6 Apaches? I wish they would take them back and give them to the IAF which loves imported toys as much as the army - and give 150 LCH to the army - actually shove them down their throats because the army will like to make sure the LCH can fire at Klingon warbirds, take out Agostas underwater and ……… whatever else comes to their mind.
And why would the Navy need the Apache??

Added Later - Now I understand that the Puki trait of eating grass actually comes from us. We would rather eat grass by making insanely expensive, frivolous, wasteful purchases than protect the nation through cheaper, cost effective solutions. Ohhhh!

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 11 Jan 2020 22:08

Dude - the CDS is meant to rationalize logistics support for cases like the above.

And can you please tone down on the "imported toy lovers" stuff. Its grating at a time when the IAF's head is pushing for and supporting the LCA, AEW&C and multiple other programs.

Please be a bit more circumspect in your choice of words. Consider their impact beyond the crowd here who knows you for a while, understands your background which you've shared with us. An IAF officer who despite the IAF moving towards indigenous programs, chances on these comments, constantly reads disparagement about it being obsessed only with "imported toys", it would actually cheese him off towards indigenous programs.

Thakur_B · Post by **Thakur_B** » 11 Jan 2020 22:10

Vivek K wrote:^^^^^^Can you imagine the logistics nightmare for supporting 6 Apaches? I wish they would take them back and give them to the IAF which loves imported toys as much as the army - and give 150 LCH to the army - actually shove them down their throats because the army will like to make sure the LCH can fire at Klingon warbirds, take out Agostas underwater and ……… whatever else comes to their mind.
And why would the Navy need the Apache??

Added Later - Now I understand that the Puki trait of eating grass actually comes from us. We would rather eat grass by making insanely expensive, frivolous, wasteful purchases than protect the nation through cheaper, cost effective solutions. Ohhhh!

IA shall be using IAF infra for apache.