2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 10 Dec 2019 11:06

The problem they have on CAB is this - It recognizes, by a law of Indian Parliament, two things which they hate:

1. India is and therefore should be a homeland for all Hindus.
2. There is a genocide of Hindus in Islamic nations in Indian subcontinent namely Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Pakistan going on.

This legal recognition can not be accepted by BIF and it negates many of the narratives they already running and would like to run in future.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Dec 2019 11:10

^^ Yup.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 264217.ece
Politics live | Supreme Court will now be the battleground for Citizenship Amendment Bill, says Chidambaram

Lekhraj · Post by **Lekhraj** » 10 Dec 2019 11:44

sanjayc wrote:
Lekhraj wrote:After CAB, is it possible that Muslims coming from BD will convert to Hinduism and ask for citizenship?
We can mandate that only those Hindus will be considered whose father and grandfather were Hindus too. That is, their lineage should have been Hindu in 1947,

I will be happy with the "Ghar Vapasi".

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Dec 2019 12:12

My request to folks here to keep wishes in control else likely to be disappointed.

All that Modi/Shah are doing it clearing past promises. Do not assume things and agenda on their behalf.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 10 Dec 2019 12:48

So, the US Commission for Evangelist Freedom says they will 'sniff up*' the elected executive of the sovereign country for getting a law passed by the elected legislative.

*sniff up the nose: old maloo saying about an empty threat.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 10 Dec 2019 13:07

The decision to grant citizenship or not grant citizenship and on what basis the citizenship should be granted is the decision to be taken by the executive and legislature. Not of courts. That is the position all over the world. But of course we have some unnatural ideas on roles of institutions in Bharat.

nandakumar · Post by **nandakumar** » 10 Dec 2019 13:45

The doctrine of Basic Structure of the Constitution. It is the Ace of Trumps. It overrides everything. Or so the lordships have decreed.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Dec 2019 14:08

No one has defined the basic structure yet. The court makes it up as it goes along.

I hope Modi/Shah get the SC to declare the Constitution adopted in 1950 as communal as it did not have the word "secular" in it and consequently get Gandhi, Nehru and Ambedkar declared communal of the worst kind.

Failing with, there is no basic structure of the constitution. Theek hai.

naruto · Post by **naruto** » 10 Dec 2019 14:15

Dileep wrote:So, the US Commission for Evangelist Freedom says they will 'sniff up*' the elected executive of the sovereign country for getting a law passed by the elected legislative.
*sniff up the nose: old maloo saying about an empty threat.

MAD should send AS for delivering the next UNGA speech. It would be an ungli up USCIRF.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 10 Dec 2019 14:32

I Have this whole CAB thing is about WB and Tripura, 2 things will get exposed on the Secular and international Game plan

1) The increased Voters will mean that WB and Tripura could turn communal

2) How in East Bengal Hindus were Betrayed by the British, Muslim League, Communists and INC workign together

3) People like Jogendra Nath Mondal who 1st said the fight was between upper castes and Muslims and later the whole Hindu population was wiped out in 60's and when they did cross the border the INC and Communists relocated them since the true nature of what was happened would be exposed.

If this is discussed accross India the entire game plan of all Secular parties accross India will be exposed. Otherwise I see no other reason for the Anti CAb opposition.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Dec 2019 14:36

Hopefully US Admin has not forgotten the last time they heeded the advice on Modi Visa. Shah is not Modi to let bygones be bygones and India of 2029 will not the be the India Modi inherited in 2014. Rest is all hawa bazi.

https://twitter.com/Abhina_Prakash/stat ... 7696077824

Abhinav Prakash @Abhina_Prakash

The wailing of liberals over #CAB is a moment of sweet revenge of what they did to India during the 10 years of UPA. They left no stone unturned to destroy India. And now they can see all there work simply collapse.

https://twitter.com/amishra77/status/12 ... 2980473856

Akhilesh Mishra @amishra77

Never forget the exactly the same set of people were enthusiastically cheering the Communal Violence Bill of Sonia Gandhi.

That bill would have been the modern version of Jizya, where it would have become a crime just to be born a Hindu.

CVB basically would have declared EVERY Hindu child born in the future a criminal even before the child was conceived.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Dec 2019 14:44

pankajs wrote:Hopefully US Admin has not forgotten the last time they heeded the advice on Modi Visa. Shah is not Modi to let bygones be bygones and India of 2029 will not the be the India Modi inherited in 2014. Rest is all hawa bazi.

https://twitter.com/Abhina_Prakash/stat ... 7696077824
Abhinav Prakash @Abhina_Prakash

The wailing of liberals over #CAB is a moment of sweet revenge of what they did to India during the 10 years of UPA. They left no stone unturned to destroy India. And now they can see all there work simply collapse.
https://twitter.com/amishra77/status/12 ... 2980473856
Akhilesh Mishra @amishra77

Never forget the exactly the same set of people were enthusiastically cheering the Communal Violence Bill of Sonia Gandhi.

That bill would have been the modern version of Jizya, where it would have become a crime just to be born a Hindu.
CVB basically would have declared EVERY Hindu child born in the future a criminal even before the child was conceived.

where ever could they have got such an idea from

isn't there another group that declares everybody, born and yet to be unborn a sinner

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Dec 2019 15:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydf3YpIU_Kw
Home Minister Amit Shah's Remarks in Lok Sabha | Citizenship Amendment Bill 2019
Duration - 29:49 minutes

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 10 Dec 2019 15:40

folks,
hate to sermonize here, where there are lot of gurus, lets not get carried away by our recent successes. Our opponents are still deeply entrenched in the institutions, colleges and citizenery. We may have had few big victories over last 5.5 years..but remember we have fought losing battles for over 1000s of years. In my opinion, right now is not the time to shout victory from top of TV tower (the one in Delhi, Pitampura..anyone)...as some posteres highlighted in reply to previous post, we have a long list of things to do, in addition to our own jobs. In the end our collective karma only will take our nation forward.
By the time we will have sorted the key political challenges, the cumulative demographic, cyclical economic challenges in addition to huge military challenges...will be staring at us..
We have a long road ahead..we can not afford hubris or complacency.
Just my thoughts. Apologies in advance if anyone doesnt like

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Dec 2019 15:55

In reply to TMC coros against CAB ...

https://twitter.com/sreemoytalukdar/sta ... 5515300864

Sreemoy Talukdar @sreemoytalukdar

Tagore, Bankim and Vivekananda did not imagine a Bengal where people need to go to courts for immersion of Durga idol: Amit Shah's stinging reply to Abhishek Banerjee of TMC. #CitizenshipAmendmentBill2019

Kamarade of Marx ..
https://twitter.com/SitaramYechury/stat ... 4390166533

Sitaram Yechury @SitaramYechury

We reject this bill of Jinnah and Savarkar's dreams. It is unconstitutional, and divides our people. We will continue to fight against it in all possible forums.

In reply ...

https://twitter.com/keveeyes/status/1204223331739684866

KVS HARIDAS @keveeyes
Replying to @SitaramYechury

Com. Yechuri, dont forget what Prakash Karaty wtote to @_ManmohanSingh on Bangladesh people on May 22, 2012? This is in the files till. Words may be different but fact is same. You should thank @narendramodi @AmitShah for having met Karatt's request.

https://twitter.com/KanchanGupta/status ... 1450486784

Kanchan Gupta @KanchanGupta

This person's party @cpimspeak is responsible for #Marichjhapi massacre of #Hindu refugees from East Pakistan/Bangladesh. Marichjapi turned red with the blood of men, women and children. Crocodiles feasted on the hapless who jumped into the estuary. #CitizenshipAmendmentBill2019

https://twitter.com/rahulroushan/status ... 5386305536

Rahul Roushan @rahulroushan

1300 years before Savarkar, a great man revealed some verses that formed the basis of the two-nation theory. Source: another great man https://twitter.com/rahulroushan/s

https://twitter.com/rahulroushan/status ... 7180552192

Rahul Roushan @rahulroushan
In series of digging historical quotes, Karl Marx in 1854 https://marxists.org/archive/marx/w

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Dec 2019 16:07

This Moti jee is a real gem .. He leaves no opportunity to stick it in but very politely. Lot to learn form him.

https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status ... 1611461632

Narendra Modi @narendramodi

I would like to specially applaud Home Minister @AmitShah Ji for lucidly explaining all aspects of the Citizenship (Amendment) Bill, 2019. He also gave elaborate answers to the various points raised by respective MPs during the discussion in the Lok Sabha.

https://twitter.com/AmitShah/status/1204117474234384384

Amit Shah @AmitShah

I extend my gratitude to PM @narendramodi for making the historic Citizenship Amendment Bill a reality, that will allow India to open its doors to minorities from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan who are facing religious persecution.

I thank everyone who supported this bill.

By now, it should be clear to everybody inside and outside India who the successor to Moti jee is going to be.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Dec 2019 16:15

CAB fulfills not only Prakash Karat's but zlso Munna Mohana's wish. Moti jee tusse gleat ho!

https://twitter.com/KanchanGupta/status ... 3042496512

Kanchan Gupta @KanchanGupta

I am truly happy that @INCIndia stalwart, Nehru Dynasty confidant and ex-PM Manmohan Singh's long-cherished hope is coming true with #CitizenshipAmendmentBill2019 . Manmohan Singh's earnest request is now on way to becoming law in #India .

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Dec 2019 16:17

Libtards of India ..

https://twitter.com/PriyamvadaGopal/sta ... 4651969537

Priyamvada Gopal @PriyamvadaGopal

Really am at the point where I would like to invite Western countries to block naturalization for Hindus. Snatch their precious little H-1Bs. Sickos.

https://twitter.com/vijayshan/status/12 ... 5548168192

Saffron life @vijayshan

B**h please. Having gone through the legal immigration process in the US of A, they are not doing us any favors and that path is still open to people from every country in India. If you don't understand the issue just shut up.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 10 Dec 2019 16:41

pankajs wrote:This Moti jee is a real gem .. He leaves no opportunity to stick it in but very politely. Lot to learn form him.
By now, it should be clear to everybody inside and outside India who the successor to Moti jee is going to be.

1. Modiji... autocorrect?
2. I think he doesn't need to do. Reminds me of the 3 dialogues...'bol woh rahe hain shabd hamare hain'..
3. there were many ultra right guys i know who used to complain NDA for being soft on core matters are left gasping for excuses. By the time they open mouth or we meet in person to have another discussion this duo has done one more surgical strike
.....
the icing on cake is to see these free loading/snakes (arfa, ayyub, khalid, shehla,abhisaar, ravish etc) on my country crying all the time....

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 10 Dec 2019 16:58

Again, it hasnt passed in Rajya Sabha yet. Lets not celebrate before it does.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Dec 2019 17:01

^^ Nooooo .. Moti jee it is .. a variant of that Mudi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGSbzG2rcPw
Home Minister Amit Shah's Reply in Lok Sabha | Citizenship Amendment Bill 2019

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 10 Dec 2019 17:48

ShivSena in RS - UT,AT scums are trying to backtrack
Harsh Mander who said he will become a muslim if a bill is passed received 30 cr from churches and has been advocating conversion and wrote in HT on that.
Will post his list of funders later. These snakes are still alive.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Dec 2019 17:52

^^
Whatever way Sena vote it is advantage BJP. Chill.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 10 Dec 2019 17:59

pankajs wrote:^^ Nooooo .. Moti jee it is .. a variant of that Mudi.

is it moti as in pearl or moti as in fat

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 10 Dec 2019 18:01

Shiv Sena is doing balancing act. Don't want to alienate Hindus & don't want to alienate barmaid

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 10 Dec 2019 18:32

Have no fear. The barmaid has been there, and done that. She understands the hunger for power and the subsequent desire for loot. It is Narender Mudi that is unpredictable and hence dangerous to the Royal Family. The principle of I will not eat and will not let others eat is unacceptable.
Gautam

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 10 Dec 2019 18:51

Anand Ranganathan
@ARanganathan72
·
Jan 14, 2015
Replying to
@ARanganathan72
Harsh Mander runs Centre for Equity Studies, funded by DanChurch Aid who say "We are rooted in Danish National Evangelical Lutheran Church".

Anand Ranganathan
@ARanganathan72
·
Jan 14, 2015
Replying to
@ARanganathan72
Looking at the principal funder of Mr Mander, I'm afraid his piece is ridden with straight conflict of interest. https://danchurchaid.org/about-us/organ ... d-strategy

Anand Ranganathan
@ARanganathan72
·
Jan 14, 2015
Replying to
@ARanganathan72
Mr Mander's other funder, Partnership Foundation, runs homes in India. "Missionary Sisters Servants of Holy Spirit" http://partnershipfoundation.nl/wp-cont ... stand3.pdf

Anand Ranganathan
@ARanganathan72
According to its Annual Report IDRC, that funds Mr Mander, is a "Key part of Canada's Foreign Policy's efforts". http://idrc.ca/EN/AboutUs/Accountabilit ... 3-2014.pdf

Anand Ranganathan
@ARanganathan72
Mr Mander's fourth funder, Save the Children, was provided "unrestricted funding..." by Church Communities Foundation
Strategic Foundation Partnerships
Hundreds of foundations for international development partner with Save the Children to fulfill their individual missions while helping improve children’s lives.
savethechildren.org

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Dec 2019 19:08

Credit: https://twitter.com/rishibagree/status/ ... 9588861952

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/prit ... s1947.html
The earliest proposed map of the "Pak Commonwealth of Nations," c. 1940 [Muslim League]

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Dec 2019 20:03

https://theprint.in/politics/aaps-crowd ... ds/332661/
AAP’s crowdfunding effort a flop, party now plans door-to-door campaign for election funds

AAP has so far held three such events, all at the Constitution Club in New Delhi. Its latest crowdfunding event, on 30 November, saw only 29 people turn up at the Constitution Club and the party received just Rs 15 lakh.

Its previous crowdfunding efforts, however, have fared worse. The party collected a mere Rs 10 lakh each in the two other crowdfunding events it held on 23 November and 16 November in Delhi.

Too early to write AAP off but has the sheen completely worn off?

https://twitter.com/scribe_prashant/sta ... 1646177281

Prashant Kumar @scribe_prashant

Does this camaraderie with Sena on the floor of the house in Delhi mean we will see a shuffling of Govt in Mumbai, I asked a senior most minister last night!

His reply: Abhi to party shuru hui hai!

Doesn't mean much ... just that BJP is chilled about Maharashtra and its well wishers too should relax.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Dec 2019 21:09

THIS is the reason why BJP well wishers should relax about Maharashtra .. nJay

https://twitter.com/jay_ambadi/status/1 ... 3911066624

Jay Ambadi @jay_ambadi

@RahulGandhi @priyankagandhi @INCIndia

Time has come to take a firm stand. If #Shivsena is going to vote for the #CAB in Rajyasabha, then the #Maharashtra alliance should fall, no matter what the outcome is! We can't run with the hare and hunt with the hound #CABNRCSatyagraha

Raju Parulekar @rajuparulekar

Be practical. We don’t want BJP CM in Maharashtra.

Blue ticked one's sane advice ..

Jay Ambadi @jay_ambadi

Nobody wants, but @INCIndia cannot/should not share power with a party that supports CAB and oppose the very basic structure of Indian Constitution!

Imagine of such is the reaction of the sickular crowd what must be the reaction amongst the peacefools.

Suyog @suyogsarda

There is better way to handle it. Ask SS if it wants people of Maharashtra to stand in Queue to prove their citizenship? This is way better than falling into religion binary trap of BJP.

This sickular is at least using his brains somewhat BUT how many will?

That is why I propose one such agni pariksha for the Sena alliance per months for the next 6 months and eJay the show from the sideline. This is one scenario where BJP wins no matter how Sena votes except when Sena's is the deciding vote. Theek hai.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Dec 2019 21:38

https://twitter.com/rahulroushan/status ... 3066139649

Rahul Roushan @rahulroushan

CAB recognizes the fact that Hindus can be victims too. Cultural Marxism demands that Hindus should never be seen as victim. Never. Hindu-Muslim is always oppressor-oppressed. That's the only reason why CAB is being opposed. Rest is all hogwash to hide this inherent Hinduphobia.

Also understand how Modi/Shah operate .. They validate a principle where it is likely to be passed by the court and then apply the SC "validated" principle in other domains too. There is a track record of such "pushing the envelope" kind of actions from Modi.

This bleddy Mudi is very cunning I tell joo.

https://twitter.com/TheJaggi/status/1204316435545092096

R Jagannathan @TheJaggi

Blackmailing us just to ensure that truth of religious persecution of Hindus in neighbourhood remains denied.

IF the Indian state acknowledges that Hindus too are victims the fake narrative, that Muslims are victims and therefore Hindus have to yield on each and every point ALWAYS, built up for the last 70+ years, will vanish like the mist under a strong Sun.

No wonder the sickulars and liberandus are desperate enough to prod USCRIF to issue such a blanat appeal in this case! CAB is much more than just a bill to fast-track citizenship for minorities from Bakistan/Bangladesh/Afghanistan and everyone at the top of the echo system gets it as do Modi/Shah.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 10 Dec 2019 21:42

kittoo wrote:Again, it hasnt passed in Rajya Sabha yet. Lets not celebrate before it does.

Hmm. Yes. Saw a news that Nitishwa & Co is also now in two minds. Shiv Sena has come up with a unique scheme of favouring the bill in Lok Sabha and opposing the same in Rajya Sabha. So perhaps it would be better to await the results from Rajya Sabha as well.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 10 Dec 2019 21:47

CONgress is like Dems in USA - moving deeper into left eventually alienating the voters due to the sheer stupidity of their stand.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 10 Dec 2019 21:48

Guys, don't view this as Dhothi shivering, but I hope ModiJi et. al have gamed the international ramifications of CAB. Already the white bahadurs have started making "Hindu facsicm" noises. I can't believe even Taliban Khan has tweeted along the same lines.

Be it 370 or CAB, this is the time, BJP needs to hang tight and not succumb to colonial scoundrels and their slaves in India. Status quo has to change.

Finally, the most hilarious part watching the opposition to CAB in India is how vacuously moralistic and evangelical it sounds. This crap about "welcoming everybody who is persecuted', 'beacon of hope' etc etc; all taken starlight from US playbook. I mean its not as if people are lining up to come to India in droves. Its about helping Hindus who are bludgeoned in p!ssful countries in India's n'hood. To borrow a quote from Golwalker, "Its not that India allows only Hindus", but rather, "Only India allows Hindus".

Bottom line: What the colonized slaves in India don't realize is that their silly moralistic mumbo jumbo is akin to a guy clamoring to douse the fire in his neighbor's house while his own house is on fire. End result is he stands exposed like a naked eunuch while both houses burn and he feels good that he made the right noises.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Dec 2019 21:55

^^Don't worry .. It will all fall into place.

The USCIF (???) gambit is to pressure the SC of India to torpedo this act when it is challenged. Our Lards ofcourse are swayed by "international", "liberal" and "progressive" uvaach. GOI must have dotted all the i's and crossed at the t's before it brought the bill.

US Admin will not do anything except fart a line or two. Plus impeachment season is in full swing soon to be followed election season. Modi has timed all his major constitutional overhaul, especially the contentious ones, very astutely!

Hardcore anti-Modi .. nJay the pain and confusion that CAB is causing all around.
https://twitter.com/AdityaMenon22/statu ... 1503544320

Aditya Menon @AdityaMenon22

Congressis attacking me for urging it to get Sena to oppose #CAB please answer this:
1 Is this your Maha CMP's Preamble?
2 Isnt CAB an issue "having consequences on India's secular fabric"?
3 If Sena couldnt stand with secularism on this issue what's the point of such a preamble?

https://twitter.com/UnSubtleDesi/status ... 5342854144

Nupur J Sharma @UnSubtleDesi

I can’t believe certain journalists are countering Amit Shah’s speech by saying “but Bangladesh was created in 1971”. This is just embarrassing ignorance from the media fraternity. Are they genuinely not aware that Bangladesh was East Pakistan before becoming Bangladesh :/

He he ..
https://twitter.com/TIinExile/status/12 ... 3414763520

True Indology @TIinExile

Sir Syed Ahmad Khan declared in 1876 (Banares) - "I am convinced that Hindus and Muslims could never become one nation as their religion and way of life is quite distinct from each other".

This was even before Savarkar was born. Two nation theory existed long before Savarkar

habal · Post by **habal** » 10 Dec 2019 21:56

V_Raman wrote:CONgress is like Dems in USA - moving deeper into left eventually alienating the voters due to the sheer stupidity of their stand.

Congress became like that when it lost it's grassroots leaders like Nehru, Patel, Indira, Shastri and was usurped by a foreigner who couldn't feel the pulse of Indian public.

What is the dems excuse ?

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Dec 2019 22:05

For the record ...
https://twitter.com/TIinExile/status/12 ... 3414763520

True Indology @TIinExile
Sir Syed Ahmad Khan declared in 1876 (Banares) - "I am convinced that Hindus and Muslims could never become one nation as their religion and way of life is quite distinct from each other".

This was even before Savarkar was born. Two nation theory existed long before Savarkar

Or as Karl Marx stated, the two nation theory was born at the birth of a certain peaceful religion.

https://twitter.com/PavanK_Varma/status ... 0209052674

Pavan K. Varma @PavanK_Varma

I urge Shri Nitish Kumar to reconsider support to the #CAB in the Rajya Sabha. The Bill is unconstitutional, discriminatory, and against the unity and harmony of the country, apart from being against the secular principles of the JDU. Gandhiji would have strongly disapproved it.

https://twitter.com/65thakursahab/statu ... 7603444736

Thakursahab @65thakursahab

Two minor points.
A ) You forgot to tag @NitishKumar

B ) I am sure, you have his phone number.

Virtue signalling!

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 10 Dec 2019 22:06

habal wrote:
V_Raman wrote:CONgress is like Dems in USA - moving deeper into left eventually alienating the voters due to the sheer stupidity of their stand.
Congress became like that when it lost it's grassroots leaders like Nehru, Patel, Indira, Shastri and was usurped by a foreigner who couldn't feel the pulse of Indian public.

What is the dems excuse ?

Dems are infiltrated by radicals/islamists/socialists and 8 years of Obama's power has gone to their heads. While in power they invaded/supported all kinds of radicals from Syria/Libya/Yemen/Iran. Now they want more wars to fight Trump. Neera Tanden types want to steal Arab money yo fund welfare (actually fill their pockets)

Sanju · Post by **Sanju** » 10 Dec 2019 23:43

pankajs wrote:^^ Nooooo .. Moti jee it is .. a variant of that Mudi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGSbzG2rcPw
Home Minister Amit Shah's Reply in Lok Sabha | Citizenship Amendment Bill 2019
<snip....>

Pankajs ji that was a quick primer on the population/Citizenship challenge that this Govt. is tackling. Thank you for the link.

Forumites that follow Hindi should definitely listen to it.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Dec 2019 23:52

ArjunPandit wrote:
pankajs wrote:^^ Nooooo .. Moti jee it is .. a variant of that Mudi.
is it moti as in pearl or moti as in fat

Moti as in a pearl.