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This side show of Jamia protests is only used to suit that narrative, nothing will change their minds. Only electoral defeat can silence them.
The Pakis are at point from 7th century where former chief of army coming in the way of democracy is given punishment of death.
The protests against the act looks like left has sleepwalked into an independence movement. Do the jamia folks want democracy for which the sloganeering/protesting is similar to how leftists protest.
Sorry, a bit busy with office work so could not post much today but two quick points
a. Saw a few posters suggested tiered filtration process to increase catching maximum illegals while simultaneously reducing the chance of genuine Indians being tagged as illegal. While the intention is good, let me categorically state that the result would be same as a single step process. False positives and false negatives can not be reduced simultaneously in a process, period. It is as true as the laws of conservation of energy and so on. So, however many intermediate steps/tiers you introduce in between, the result is going to be the same.
b. Some posters also mentioned the verification process to have criteria like state, ethnicity, language and religion. While this would definitely reduce the false negatives outside certain section of Indians, this would be challenged in Court as "profiling" and successfully IMO. NRC is a process for determination of citizenship and all people, unless registered as foreigner via immigration, would have to be assumed citizen by default. While article 14 allows "positive" discrimination, this would be classified as "negative" and the court would have no option to nullify such process citing article 15. The lawyers like Yagnasri garu may correct me if I am wrong.
ANI quotes Delhi Police: Former Congress MLA Asif Khan has been named as an accused in the FIR, for involvement in #JamiaMilliaIslamia incident that took place on 15 December.
Times of India @timesofindia
#JustIn | Qasim Usmani, CYSS Jamia University named as one of the main accused in the Jamia riots.
BREAKING: Former Congress MLA Asif Khan named by police in the initial FIR in the Jamia Violence case. Functionaries of the CYSS (AAP student Wing), AISA too named.
Now the last one is very interesting .. chalo jee
One reason, the activist lawyer wanted an inquiry commission, that would have prevented the FIRs to be filed now and later whitewashed the whole thing after the incident faded from memory.
Would be interesting to watch the reactions of the various parties/groups named. Theek hai.
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Liberal Idiot: Why the hell allow Hindus, Sikhs and others to enter India but keep out just the Muslims?
You: Hey idiot, the Act doesn’t allow anyone to enter, but it deals with people who have already entered India. Not just that, only people who entered India before 31st December 2014 are covered under this act. Any Hindu, whom you hate from your bottom of your heart, will NOT become citizen of India if he came to India on are after 1st January 2015. So imagine, sometime in 2015, a Hindu in Pakistan decides to come to India because a strong “Hindu government” is in power, but he will NOT become citizen of India under this act. That should make you happy, idiot.
So forget Hindus from Pakistan, Afghanistan or Bangladesh rushing into India in future due to this Act, many among those who are already here are not getting any benefits. They will continue to be treated as illegal immigrants and can be jailed or deported back to the Islamic countries, where they will be killed or converted, something that should calm down your frayed tempers.
Liberal Idiot: Even Muslims like Ahmediyas and Shias are persecuted in Pakistan, why not allow them?
You: (Refer to the answer above that the Act is not about ‘allowing’ anyone. Now let’s proceed to the second part) Okay, I agree that Ahmediays and Shias are persecuted in Pakistan, but can you show me A SINGLE MEDIA REPORT that talks about Ahmediyas or Shias living in some refugee camps in India? Your own secular media has reported about Pakistani Hindu refugee camps in places like Delhi and Jodhpur other places, but where are the reports on Ahmediyas or Shias coming to India as refugees?
Where are those refugee camps? Where are those people whom you want to give citizenship? Remember idiot, this Act is all about those who are already here by 31st December 2014, not about people currently in Pakistan or elsewhere. Show me a single Indian secular media report that talks about even one refugee camp, or even a report on some Ahmediya or Shia families who came to India as religiously persecuted group and who are thus excluded from this Act.
The political parties are surely aware that the NRC is already available in Pakistan and Bangladesh and their citizens have a national identity card.
Even kasab was positively identified because of the paki NRC
they are only opposed to India getting a National Register of Citizens.
It is very much to the advantage of the two abhramic cults + BIF to operate in such an open field where the population is not securely documented.
It is deliberate and it is maliciously being orchestrated as being anti islamic.
The very same slogan 'islam khatre mein hai' was used before independence to divide India and is now being used to divide the society, and this poison is consciously being spread.
I'd like the government to look at changing the weekly holidays. Sundays were primarily a Christian thing.
Tuesdays and Saturdays are better. There should be flexibility on when Hindus can attend schools and offices. It will help people go to the temple and take part in the rituals.
Theeran wrote:I'd like the government to look at changing the weekly holidays. Sundays were primarily a Christian thing.
Tuesdays and Saturdays are better. There should be flexibility on when Hindus can attend schools and offices. It will help people go to the temple and take part in the rituals.
Absolutely correct. Keeping all banks and govt office open on that day as well.
The violent protests against the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) in Muslim-dominated areas and minority institutions like Jamia Milia Islamia, and Aligarh Muslim University can be interpreted in two ways: one is that they have misunderstood the intent of CAA, and the other is that they do not care much for persecuted minorities in Islamic countries.
But that is not what we are seeing in the violent Muslims protests - sometimes joined by other “secularists” - against CAA.
Prime Minister Narendra Modi himself was forced to point out this fact in the light of the mainstream media trying to cover up these anti-national acts under the garb of democratic protest and student activism.
The usual suspects, the champions of Nehruvian secularism, tried hard to paint these as secular protests but the cameras told us something else. Many of the protesters mouthed openly Islamist slogans, as if to indicate that they are Jinnah’s children now risen from slumber.
Tens of millions of Hindus are wondering what wrong the government did to pave a faster path to citizenship for those persecuted minorities in the Islamic states of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh. They are witnessing the torching of public property because the government is not giving the same rights to those who are part of the system of persecution in these states.
Of course, the protestors would have us believe that they are outraging for the sake of equality. But no one is fooled and the silent majority is witnessing, on their TV screens, some of the communal horrors witnessed during partition days by Muslim separatists.
Many secularists and even some Hindus may still deny this reality, but this would mean we haven’t learnt any lessons from partition, and the Islamist sentiment that drove it.
Writing in 1940, Ambedkar rightly diagnosed the weakness of the Congress in its dealings with the Muslim community. The Congress has failed to realise, he wrote, that “the policy of concession has increased Muslim aggressiveness, and what is worse, Muslims interpret these concessions as a sign of defeatism on the part of the Hindus and the absence of the will to resist.”
The Indian state retained the autonomous regulatory regime for minority schools and colleges while imposing punishing rules on those run by Hindus. It took over religious institutions of Hindus with impunity and used their money for its secular schemes.
On the other hand, it provided for building infrastructure on waqf properties from taxpayer funds. It opened its purses to finance madrassas and minority institutions which are dens of communal education and are today leading the protest against the government’s humanitarian gesture of giving refuge to the minorities persecuted by Islamic states.
The separatist chickens bred, fed, promoted and celebrated by the Indian state are coming home to roost. The violent CAA protests in demographically sensitive areas are testament to India’s failed minority policies. Where broadly inclusive social security schemes and uniform civil code would have benefited all communities equally, including the underprivileged, by targeting the minorities for special benefits minds have been partitioned once again.
It’s time to course correct. There is no nirvana in continuing with separatist policies which favour the same mentality and ideology of Jinnah which divided the nation. It will lead to nothing but another partition. Most of the anger today that is bursting forth from the expected quarters is precisely because the present government has stopped appeasing them.
News Brief
‘Learn About Our Jihad’: Meet Jamia Milia’s Radical Islamic Girls Who Were Hailed As ‘Sheroes’ By The Media
dentity Of The ‘Sheroes’
Barkha Dutt revealed the identity of the two girls as Ladeeda Farzana and Ayesha Renna. This has been disputed by other media reports which identity Farzana as Ladeeda Sakhaloon.
Renna who hails from Kerala’s Malappuram is a second year MA History student and Sakhaloon is a first year BA Arabic student. She hails from Kerala’s Kannur.
The media coverage also includes soundbytes from the duo who speak about the need to protest and how they have been taught to resist injustice by their parents.
Radical Views Of The ‘Sheroes’
While a section of the media was busy glorifying the girl students, some social media users took it upon themselves to investigate them and their political, religious views. The results were disturbing.
After going through the Facebook profile of Renna, one finds that she had condemned the hanging of terrorist Yakub Memon and called India a “fascist country” for executing the terrorist.
Ayesha Renna lamenting the hanging of Yakub Memon (Screenshot via Twitter) Ayesha Renna lamenting the hanging of Yakub Memon
Incidentally, Renna is married to an individual named Afsal Rahman CA who has supported terrorist Afzal Guru on multiple occasions by positing messages like, “remembering Afzal Guru” and “struggle of man against power is the struggle of memory against forgetting”.
When one turns to the Facebook profile of Sakhaloon, one finds even more radical views.
In a Facebook post on 14 December Sakhaloon criticised liberals for asking her ilk to refrain from chanting slogans like “Allahu Akbar” and stressed that she has abandoned “secular slogans” long back.
Citizenship Amendment Act: Govt busts myths
Looks like GoI actually waited for all the various shady characters to come out and reveal their true colours. Now they have given a kind of 10 point list highlighting what CAA would do, and what it would not do. The "seculars" had in the mean while pretty much supported the Islamist cause, and abetted the Islamists to run riot.
vijayk wrote:CAA Protests Indicate Khilafat 2.0 Is Here - A Lost Cause Backed By The Elite
During the protests in Kerala, this fact came out in the open. The Islamists were openly chanting that 1921 (Moplah riots) would repeat. And what more, it was the "secular" commies in Kerala who always portrayed the 1921 riots as "freedom struggle" . So in areas where there is significant peacefool population Khilafat 2.0 is a possibility.
Outside SM, No Indic is opposing CAA (Exception being NE ) but everyone watched news or reads fake or genuine forwards on WA/FB etc. Thanks to incidents like these, Wait for few years before Hindus too will start circling the wagon.
This maybe 'Hail Mary' fight back by Jehadists and Anti-Bharat people.
Surprisingly the crowd is miniscule compared to what you get on a regular day if two motorists get into an argument.
As far students, Lets give them some benefit of being young and hot-headed. Who in college did not want to go out and occupy the streets and classrooms, Ok not the IIT grads on this forum but phata chappal Abduls like me. So more than the ideology, it is being youth that is causing them to go berserk While the instigators use them for better visuals.
The real master minds are the BIF forces which govt must be and should be targeting starting with these rent-a-dime PIL Lawyers for whom doors of Supreme Court are always open.
Second any threat of Violence from anyone should come with consequences, e.g: Students caught in violent activities should be rusticated for 3 years, Thank you for joining the protests.
Guys, regarding Burka Bibi's Ladeeda Farzana and Ayesha Renna (Ladeeda Sakhaloon) whom she glowing profiled in her WP puke and p!ssing on India, my take is she was trying to be a Dexter Filkins wannabe. Recall that clown glowingly and condescendingly profiled his Burka Rana Bibi taking on ModiJi. And wanting to be seen as colonial liberal honcho like Filkins, Burka Bibi picked up 2 Jihadis taking on the mighty 'fascist' ModiJi-led Indian govt.
I would like you guys to go to Burka's twitter line and in her first tweet linking her WP puke, Kiran Mazumdar (who is turning out to be another Lutyen mafia elite) has a cryptic reply saying this is a slur on the nation. To me it was not clear whether she was saying Burka Bibi's puke was a slur on the nation, or she was in consonance with Burka that CAA and police action targeting Jihadi rioters was a slur on the nation.
Taking another look at yesterday glitch in matrix, one has to wonder what went wrong b/w 'liberal' sect and on-road violent sects.
One thing clearly stood out is, our police. they can't handle these rioters. just think about what went with army and crpf when they tried to handle these rioters in kashmir. the whole police system is put in place to police only hindus. they are useless when it comes to non-hindu rioters.
Also the clueless regular folks, they are so hot headed and emotional about some one in million nrc mistake that they totally missed the larger threat.
Some one please open cab and nrc legal thread so that these folks can clear their doubts.
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A vow Gandhi asked his compatriots to take in 1919: "With God as witness we Hindus & Muslims declare that we shall behave towards one another as children of the same parents, that we shall have no differences, that the sorrows of each will be the sorrows of the other ..." (1/2)
The protest call by farhan akthar, clearly exposes some sort of desperation on their part. Why did they chose to discard their secular guise and come out as open jehad with false indian map to boot?
I believe yesterday violent protest was to put pressure on these liberal gangs and now these guys have no choice but to hit street with these desperate protests.
With thought leaders like these liberals, no wonder indian muslims never able to have actual healthy relationship with hindus in india.
At some point, these violent demonstrations (I refuse to call them protests) would cross the red lines or would result in massive loss of property and life if it goes unabated.
I think commie-cong-Jehadi leadership is hoping for the tipping point and then they formally jump in en-mass.
Those who are controlling the Jehadi demonstrations forget that India changed the day, they burnt those innocent Hindus in the train at Godhra and post 2014, the thought process has gone muscular with swag and confidence. This whole situation may spill out of their hands .
As long as NM is there, Ordinary Hindu will feel protected and not react across the board.
No stay on CAA.. In a "major blow to secularism", Supreme Court did not stay CAA. Case to be heard only after Jan 22, 2020. GoI can respond with its points by then.
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Embedded video; Start @ 1:50 where he claims to quote Gandhi
Further, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabar_rebellion
Reaction of B. R. Ambedkar:
The blood-curdling atrocities committed by the Moplas in Malabar against the Hindus were indescribable. All over Southern India, a wave of horrified feeling had spread among the Hindus of every shade of opinion, which was intensified when certain Khilafat leaders were so misguided as to pass resolutions of "congratulations to the Moplas on the brave fight they were conducting for the sake of religion". Any person could have said that this was too heavy a price for Hindu-Muslim unity. But Mr. Gandhi was so much obsessed by the necessity of establishing Hindu-Muslim unity that he was prepared to make light of the doings of the Moplas and the Khilafats who were congratulating them. He spoke of the Moplas as the "brave God-fearing Moplas who were fighting for what they consider as religion and in a manner which they consider as religious ".[22]
Sachin wrote:Citizenship Amendment Act: Govt busts myths
Looks like GoI actually waited for all the various shady characters to come out and reveal their true colours. Now they have given a kind of 10 point list highlighting what CAA would do, and what it would not do. The "seculars" had in the mean while pretty much supported the Islamist cause, and abetted the Islamists to run riot.
Don't know if the GOI set a trap or not.
GOI was certainly cautious because a flareup that could be dumped at its door steps, would have dented its credibility. With the visuals that have reached across the country, now there is no doubt in anyone's mind, who started the disturbance. No amount of spin would change that now so that is a win.
Hopefully, GOI, with its vast reach, can analyze the phone logs with the location data to smoke out the behind the scene network and its nodes that spread the disturbance.
The CAA is for those people who came to India from Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh before December 31, 2014. They will be granted citizenship and it will not affect the Muslims living in India. The Muslim refugees who came to India from Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh will not get Indian citizenship. It has nothing to do with the Muslims living in India," Bukhari said.
Sachin wrote:No stay on CAA.. In a "major blow to secularism", Supreme Court did not stay CAA. Case to be heard only after Jan 22, 2020. GoI can respond with its points by then.
CJI needs to be very careful. The last 2 CJIs, who refused to toe the LiLe lines, where tarnished even when they where more lenient. This one is far more rule bound and has already flobbed them off on 2 critical occasions just into his term.
Sachin wrote:No stay on CAA.. In a "major blow to secularism", Supreme Court did not stay CAA. Case to be heard only after Jan 22, 2020. GoI can respond with its points by then.
CJI needs to be very careful. The last 2 CJIs, who refused to toe the LiLe lines, where tarnished even when they where more lenient. This one is far more rule bound and has already flobbed them off on 2 critical occasions just into his term.
But nothing happened to Gogoi, he is the one who headed historic judgement on RJB. Everyone needs to shed their fear of liles.
pankajs wrote:
CJI needs to be very careful. The last 2 CJIs, who refused to toe the LiLe lines, where tarnished even when they where more lenient. This one is far more rule bound and has already flobbed them off on 2 critical occasions just into his term.
But nothing happened to Gogoi, he is the one who headed historic judgement on RJB. Everyone needs to shed their fear of liles.
He wa smeared with sexual assault allegation. Nothing came of it because government stayed neutral.
BUT who wants their last days to be tarnished like that. CJI need to take precaution given what happened to the last 2 for not being subservient to the LeLi gang.
Do Bhai-wood actors genuinely feel about CAA ?
What else could be the reason of opening their mouth and offending majority.
It isn't that Islamists would go out of the way and promote their movies so what gives ?
Vikas wrote:Do Bhai-wood actors genuinely feel about CAA ?
Bhai-wood and Mallu-wood (Kerala movie industry) is heavily dominated by peacefools and peacefool money (either legal or hawala). These actors and actresses know no other job, and "acting" (i.e a form of cheating) is all they can do. Naturally they will be against CAA, because it is against the wishes of their masters. I may sound harsh here; but these actors & actresses are nothing but glorified king's concubines who just do what ever to please their masters. It is in only in India that this gang is even considered an "intellectual". IIRC if it was C.N Annadurai who referred to them as koothadis (in Tamil; dancers involved in crude village festival dancing to satiate the needs of a very lecherous crowd). IMHO, he was 100% correct on this assessment.
It is not by accident, only 3 industries NGO, Media and Cinema TV industry are allowed to prosper. Defense manufacturing, heavy metals, Nuclear power, computer chips hardware , ports ,dams ,even sports et Al are all shut down through protests and fake news.
CRamS wrote:Guys, regarding Burka Bibi's Ladeeda Farzana and Ayesha Renna (Ladeeda Sakhaloon) whom she glowing profiled in her WP puke and p!ssing on India, my take is she was trying to be a Dexter Filkins wannabe. Recall that clown glowingly and condescendingly profiled his Burka Rana Bibi taking on ModiJi. And wanting to be seen as colonial liberal honcho like Filkins, Burka Bibi picked up 2 Jihadis taking on the mighty 'fascist' ModiJi-led Indian govt.
I would like you guys to go to Burka's twitter line and in her first tweet linking her WP puke, Kiran Mazumdar (who is turning out to be another Lutyen mafia elite) has a cryptic reply saying this is a slur on the nation. To me it was not clear whether she was saying Burka Bibi's puke was a slur on the nation, or she was in consonance with Burka that CAA and police action targeting Jihadi rioters was a slur on the nation.
I think you are incomplete in your reading Barkha Dutt foray into the protesters.
She is also assuring her own handlers in West that she is there in the front lines giving guidance, aid, and succor to the BIF minions in India.
Her presence was also about her own worth to the #BIF especially as she has Rana Ayub as competition.
She is saying we are on the ball and doing BIF Gods work.
I got a Whatsapp forward of the NSUI protests scheduled for 19 Decemmer all across the country law colleges.
Its supposed to be from Reetam Singh, the guy who was subject of Unsubtle Desi's exposes.
. So in areas where there is significant peacefool population Khilafat 2.0 is a possibility.