Terroristan - November 11, 2019
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
I was told that Uighers topic would have been raised if it came up for debate.
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
Dimran Niazi is spinning:
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2119815/1- ... ur-summit/
Pakistan pulls out of KL summit to maintain 'neutrality'
By Kamran Yousaf, December 17, 2019
ISLAMABAD: The differences between Saudi Arabia and Malaysia have compelled Prime Minister Imran Khan to stay out of the Kuala Lumpur Summit.
A high-ranking government official said that a difficult decision was taken to maintain Pakistan’s neutrality in the “Muslim Ummah”.
PM Imran not only decided to cancel the visit but Pakistan would not attend the summit altogether, contrary to earlier reports that Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi might represent the country.
The Kuala Lumpur summit will kick off on Thursday and is being attended by leaders from Turkey, Iran and Qatar besides hundreds of other delegates.
The summit is meant to discuss problems facing the Muslim countries and suggest way forward. Observers see it as an attempt by Malaysia and other like-minded countries to create a new Islamic bloc, excluding Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries.
PM Imran had initially confirmed his participation in the summit but had to change the decision after being approached by Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates (UAE) voicing their concerns over Pakistan’s participation.
The concern was first conveyed by the UAE foreign minister who paid an announced visit to Islamabad few days ago.
That visit prompted the foreign minister to travel to Saudi Arabia in an effort to allay Riyadh’s concerns.
When Saudi Arabia and its other Arab allies were not convinced with the explanation of Pakistan, Prime Minister Imran himself had to travel to Riyadh, while at the same time Army Chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa visited UAE.
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Gautam
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2119815/1- ... ur-summit/
Pakistan pulls out of KL summit to maintain 'neutrality'
By Kamran Yousaf, December 17, 2019
ISLAMABAD: The differences between Saudi Arabia and Malaysia have compelled Prime Minister Imran Khan to stay out of the Kuala Lumpur Summit.
A high-ranking government official said that a difficult decision was taken to maintain Pakistan’s neutrality in the “Muslim Ummah”.
PM Imran not only decided to cancel the visit but Pakistan would not attend the summit altogether, contrary to earlier reports that Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi might represent the country.
The Kuala Lumpur summit will kick off on Thursday and is being attended by leaders from Turkey, Iran and Qatar besides hundreds of other delegates.
The summit is meant to discuss problems facing the Muslim countries and suggest way forward. Observers see it as an attempt by Malaysia and other like-minded countries to create a new Islamic bloc, excluding Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries.
PM Imran had initially confirmed his participation in the summit but had to change the decision after being approached by Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates (UAE) voicing their concerns over Pakistan’s participation.
The concern was first conveyed by the UAE foreign minister who paid an announced visit to Islamabad few days ago.
That visit prompted the foreign minister to travel to Saudi Arabia in an effort to allay Riyadh’s concerns.
When Saudi Arabia and its other Arab allies were not convinced with the explanation of Pakistan, Prime Minister Imran himself had to travel to Riyadh, while at the same time Army Chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa visited UAE.
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Gautam
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
Hilarious!.The captain doesn't even know which team he's playing for! The OIC led by the shitty Soothis, or the MMM, the Malay Muslim Menagerie.The MMM who've given him much diplomatic
help over Kashmir are now being shafted in true Islamic style.
Brother backstabbing brother in true Islamic tradition. Pak can now forget about selling JF-17s to Malaysia in the futture.
help over Kashmir are now being shafted in true Islamic style.
Brother backstabbing brother in true Islamic tradition. Pak can now forget about selling JF-17s to Malaysia in the futture.
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
The captain knows very well which team he is playing for.. his own. With all your experience, Philip sir, you would know that for their team only the PRO changes now and then. And their sponsors get the selection committee to select/drop players as required depending on the ground they are playing on..
And you might be well aware of the Arab tradition of 'Me against my brother, but my Brother and me vs the rest of the world'
And you might be well aware of the Arab tradition of 'Me against my brother, but my Brother and me vs the rest of the world'
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
Paxis have only one cause that kept them united & somewhat stable. No point for guessing it.menon s wrote:What if Gilgit and POK, is made into a province, and absorbed into pakistan. what can India Do?
By my info, this is happening.
Now you take the reason out and 3 generation of Paxis that have been educated in Paxtan studies will unravel.
Also then they might look into other small matters like the budget of military, properties of Crore kammanders, money
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
Well someone had to tell the Chinese. Wonder who it was?ramana wrote:I was told that Uighers topic would have been raised if it came up for debate.
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
Well Bakis can still form the "new" core of the umma provided Malaysia or Turkey are willing to bankroll them and take in baki guest workers to the extent the GCC countries do.
In theory, it can still happen. Malaysia and Turkey only have to make up their mind.
In theory, it can still happen. Malaysia and Turkey only have to make up their mind.
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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
Wonder why malaysia felt like it arrived on international stage and can challenge India.
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
My point,is, will India, have to go to war with Pakistan? if they integrate, POK into one Province? the opposition, here will then start teasing, Modiji, and Amit shah if a war is not declared. And the Pakis, they way they are, they will not think twice about, cutting the nose to spite the face?souravB wrote:Paxis have only one cause that kept them united & somewhat stable. No point for guessing it.menon s wrote:What if Gilgit and POK, is made into a province, and absorbed into pakistan. what can India Do?
By my info, this is happening.
Now you take the reason out and 3 generation of Paxis that have been educated in Paxtan studies will unravel.
Also then they might look into other small matters like the budget of military, properties of Crore kammanders, moneywastedspent on buying nuclear warheads from China etc.
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
PoK belongs to India no matter what pakis do, and if AS says we are going to take it back, then we are going to take it back.
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
Army Chief General Bipin Rawat. Situation along LoC can escalate at any time, we have to be prepared for escalatory matrix
The above was told by him today
The above was told by him today
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
There will be some domestic difficulty faced by BJP or the party in power. There will be some articles in WaPo n NYT. They might need to look at the economic front more seriously to steer the conversation away. They might even lose some 50 odd seats. But IMO, there won't be any war over that.menon s wrote:
My point,is, will India, have to go to war with Pakistan? if they integrate, POK into one Province? the opposition, here will then start teasing, Modiji, and Amit shah if a war is not declared. And the Pakis, they way they are, they will not think twice about, cutting the nose to spite the face?
OTOH the unraveling of Paxi state will be fun to watch.
1. ARY n HUM may have to create a whole new syllabus to feed the junta.
2. PA might need to seize power to control the narrative effectively. Pressler amendment kicks in.
3. It is afterall the question of bread n butter for many mullahs, so there will be riots.
4. Most importantly, PA might need to close the terror camps that they
5. Where would then those Ji-Hardys go? to support the independence movements inside in hope of establishing a Kali-phat.
So all in all, it's a move that might hurt BJP but will be good for Bharat overall.
Terroristan - November 11, 2019
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X Posted on the Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat Thread.
China celebrates ‘very happy lives’ in Xinjiang, after detaining 1 million Uighurs - Anna Fifield
Beijing’s account of camps contrasts with those of detainees, their families
BEIJING — The Chinese government on Tuesday declared its campaign of control and repression in the majority-Muslim region of Xinjiang to be a resounding success, claiming that almost all of those detained in internment camps had been released and were now “living very happy lives.”
Signaling the start of a new phase in Xinjiang, officials quoted reams of figures to support their claims that life in Xinjiang had improved remarkably under 70 years of Communist rule and that the government’s “deradicalization” campaign had been effective.
“All ethnicities have worked together to make Xinjiang a beautiful place, Shohrat Zakir, deputy secretary of the Communist Party of China in Xinjiang and the highest-profile Uighur in the government, told reporters at a news conference organized by the State Council, or cabinet office, on Tuesday.
As if to show the harmony of Xinjiang, the State Council had organized Uighurs to sing and dance for reporters, and there were traditional handicrafts and dried fruit on display, along with signs saying, “Build a beautiful Xinjiang. Realize the Chinese Dream.”
The government’s portrayal of the situation in Xinjiang differs sharply from firsthand accounts of life there, with former inmates having described a systematic effort to rid the minority Uighurs of their culture and religion and make them assimilate into the Mandarin-speaking ethnic Han majority.
Some people who have emerged from the camps have managed to escape from China or at least get word to relatives, despite the Chinese government’s restrictions on international communication and heavy surveillance.
They describe camps of relentless indoctrination, where Muslim Uighurs are being forced to renounce their religion and instead swear allegiance to the ruling Communist Party.
There are about 11 million Uighurs living in the Xinjiang region of western China, and between 1 million and 3 million of them have been detained in camps since 2017, according to American government and human rights group estimates.
At the same time, Chinese authorities have razed mosques, forced men to shave their beards and women to leave their hair uncovered, and have instituted an all-encompassing surveillance system involving facial recognition cameras, ubiquitous checkpoints and placing ethnic majority Han Chinese in Uighur households to keep tabs on ethnic minority families.
‘Police cloud’: Chinese database tracks apps, car location and even electricity usage in Muslim region
The Chinese government, after long denying the existence of the camps, by the end of last year could no longer argue with the satellite imagery showing huge detention centers with barbed wire and watchtowers. It suddenly announced that the sites were “vocational training centers” designed to “deradicalize” extremists in the area.
Asked about the camps, Zakir and Alken Tuniaz, another senior Communist official in Xinjiang, said that they were aimed at the “deradicalization” of people who had been influenced by extremists from surrounding countries.
“We have taken measures to educate and save these people and help them see the real picture,” Zakir said. “For these people we have set up vocational education and training camps. They are not concentration camps as some people have said.”
Media reports about brainwashing at the camps were “fabricated” and “totally groundless,” he said, noting that the authorities had started to open the camps to visitors, including selected diplomats and journalists, last year.
Those who have been through the camps describe witnessing almost the exact same scenes, right down to the detainees singing “If You’re Happy and You Know It” in English.
Tuniaz said that people were not allowed to practice their religion in the camps — the first time a Chinese official has confirmed this — but said that their “freedom of religious beliefs is protected” in the centers.
“There was a man who hadn’t cut his beard,” said Tuniaz. “After the training at the center, he has the language skills to communicate and he can understand what is legal and illegal, and he has now started a business. His elderly father shook my hand and thanked the government for saving his son.”
The program had been successful and “most of the graduates have reintegrated into society,” Tuniaz said.
“More than 90 percent of the graduates have found satisfactory jobs and good incomes and have become positive members of society. They have also driven other people around them to get rich and work hard and live a better life,” he said.
The officials declined to say how many people had been through the camps, describing the number as “dynamic.”
But academics and activists monitoring the situation in Xinjiang say there have been no signs of mass liberations from the camp.
“I don’t see any evidence that large numbers are being released simultaneously,” said James Leibold, an expert on Xinjiang who teaches at La Trobe University in Australia. “If they were out, we would know.”
The camps have come in for sharp criticism from mostly Western countries, with more than 20 countries — including Australia, Britain, Canada, France, Germany and Japan — writing to the U.N. Human Rights Council to express concern “about credible reports of arbitrary detention” of Uighurs and other minorities in Xinjiang.
China sentences trailblazing online activist to 12 years in prison
China this week said that 50 countries — including Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq and Pakistan — have written a joint letter commending Beijing for its counterterrorism and de-radicalization efforts and on the economic and social progress in Xinjiang.
The Foreign Ministry declined to supply the letter or the list of the 50 countries to The Washington Post, even though it has been all over state media this week, saying it was up to the Human Rights Council to release the information.
The Chinese authorities now seem to be turning to a new phase in their operation of the camps and their repression of ethnic minorities in Xinjiang, experts say.
In a report published this month, German scholar Adrian Zenz wrote that growing numbers of detainees have been released from camps into forced labor.
“The state’s long-term stability maintenance strategy in Xinjiang is predicated upon a perverse and extremely intrusive combination of forced or at least involuntary training and labor,” he wrote, describing factory and other work as part of a supposed poverty-alleviation effort.
State newspapers and television channels this week have been full of reports about how happy and stable Xinjiang has become.
The Xinjiang Daily has constantly exhorted readers to “remain true to our original aspiration and keep our mission firmly in mind” — a phrase from the president about building a strong Communist Party. Almost every day, government officials and party cadres in Xinjiang are studying the Xi Jinping Thought doctrine and organizing self-reflection sessions, asking themselves: “Did we do things right?” the paper reported this week.
Separately, in a white paper titled “Historical Matters Concerning Xinjiang” released this month, the State Council said that the area had “ long been an inseparable part of Chinese territory.” It also said that the area had “never been the so-called ‘East Turkestan’ ” — referring to the name that many Uighur activists use for the area — and that Uighurs were not a Turkic group. Academics called this historical revisionism.
Question : Could India consider a similar procedure in respect of a "Certain Campaign" against "An Agitation"?
Cheers
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China celebrates ‘very happy lives’ in Xinjiang, after detaining 1 million Uighurs - Anna Fifield
Beijing’s account of camps contrasts with those of detainees, their families
BEIJING — The Chinese government on Tuesday declared its campaign of control and repression in the majority-Muslim region of Xinjiang to be a resounding success, claiming that almost all of those detained in internment camps had been released and were now “living very happy lives.”
Signaling the start of a new phase in Xinjiang, officials quoted reams of figures to support their claims that life in Xinjiang had improved remarkably under 70 years of Communist rule and that the government’s “deradicalization” campaign had been effective.
“All ethnicities have worked together to make Xinjiang a beautiful place, Shohrat Zakir, deputy secretary of the Communist Party of China in Xinjiang and the highest-profile Uighur in the government, told reporters at a news conference organized by the State Council, or cabinet office, on Tuesday.
As if to show the harmony of Xinjiang, the State Council had organized Uighurs to sing and dance for reporters, and there were traditional handicrafts and dried fruit on display, along with signs saying, “Build a beautiful Xinjiang. Realize the Chinese Dream.”
The government’s portrayal of the situation in Xinjiang differs sharply from firsthand accounts of life there, with former inmates having described a systematic effort to rid the minority Uighurs of their culture and religion and make them assimilate into the Mandarin-speaking ethnic Han majority.
Some people who have emerged from the camps have managed to escape from China or at least get word to relatives, despite the Chinese government’s restrictions on international communication and heavy surveillance.
They describe camps of relentless indoctrination, where Muslim Uighurs are being forced to renounce their religion and instead swear allegiance to the ruling Communist Party.
There are about 11 million Uighurs living in the Xinjiang region of western China, and between 1 million and 3 million of them have been detained in camps since 2017, according to American government and human rights group estimates.
At the same time, Chinese authorities have razed mosques, forced men to shave their beards and women to leave their hair uncovered, and have instituted an all-encompassing surveillance system involving facial recognition cameras, ubiquitous checkpoints and placing ethnic majority Han Chinese in Uighur households to keep tabs on ethnic minority families.
‘Police cloud’: Chinese database tracks apps, car location and even electricity usage in Muslim region
The Chinese government, after long denying the existence of the camps, by the end of last year could no longer argue with the satellite imagery showing huge detention centers with barbed wire and watchtowers. It suddenly announced that the sites were “vocational training centers” designed to “deradicalize” extremists in the area.
Asked about the camps, Zakir and Alken Tuniaz, another senior Communist official in Xinjiang, said that they were aimed at the “deradicalization” of people who had been influenced by extremists from surrounding countries.
“We have taken measures to educate and save these people and help them see the real picture,” Zakir said. “For these people we have set up vocational education and training camps. They are not concentration camps as some people have said.”
Media reports about brainwashing at the camps were “fabricated” and “totally groundless,” he said, noting that the authorities had started to open the camps to visitors, including selected diplomats and journalists, last year.
Those who have been through the camps describe witnessing almost the exact same scenes, right down to the detainees singing “If You’re Happy and You Know It” in English.
Tuniaz said that people were not allowed to practice their religion in the camps — the first time a Chinese official has confirmed this — but said that their “freedom of religious beliefs is protected” in the centers.
“There was a man who hadn’t cut his beard,” said Tuniaz. “After the training at the center, he has the language skills to communicate and he can understand what is legal and illegal, and he has now started a business. His elderly father shook my hand and thanked the government for saving his son.”
The program had been successful and “most of the graduates have reintegrated into society,” Tuniaz said.
“More than 90 percent of the graduates have found satisfactory jobs and good incomes and have become positive members of society. They have also driven other people around them to get rich and work hard and live a better life,” he said.
The officials declined to say how many people had been through the camps, describing the number as “dynamic.”
But academics and activists monitoring the situation in Xinjiang say there have been no signs of mass liberations from the camp.
“I don’t see any evidence that large numbers are being released simultaneously,” said James Leibold, an expert on Xinjiang who teaches at La Trobe University in Australia. “If they were out, we would know.”
The camps have come in for sharp criticism from mostly Western countries, with more than 20 countries — including Australia, Britain, Canada, France, Germany and Japan — writing to the U.N. Human Rights Council to express concern “about credible reports of arbitrary detention” of Uighurs and other minorities in Xinjiang.
China sentences trailblazing online activist to 12 years in prison
China this week said that 50 countries — including Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq and Pakistan — have written a joint letter commending Beijing for its counterterrorism and de-radicalization efforts and on the economic and social progress in Xinjiang.
The Foreign Ministry declined to supply the letter or the list of the 50 countries to The Washington Post, even though it has been all over state media this week, saying it was up to the Human Rights Council to release the information.
The Chinese authorities now seem to be turning to a new phase in their operation of the camps and their repression of ethnic minorities in Xinjiang, experts say.
In a report published this month, German scholar Adrian Zenz wrote that growing numbers of detainees have been released from camps into forced labor.
“The state’s long-term stability maintenance strategy in Xinjiang is predicated upon a perverse and extremely intrusive combination of forced or at least involuntary training and labor,” he wrote, describing factory and other work as part of a supposed poverty-alleviation effort.
State newspapers and television channels this week have been full of reports about how happy and stable Xinjiang has become.
The Xinjiang Daily has constantly exhorted readers to “remain true to our original aspiration and keep our mission firmly in mind” — a phrase from the president about building a strong Communist Party. Almost every day, government officials and party cadres in Xinjiang are studying the Xi Jinping Thought doctrine and organizing self-reflection sessions, asking themselves: “Did we do things right?” the paper reported this week.
Separately, in a white paper titled “Historical Matters Concerning Xinjiang” released this month, the State Council said that the area had “ long been an inseparable part of Chinese territory.” It also said that the area had “never been the so-called ‘East Turkestan’ ” — referring to the name that many Uighur activists use for the area — and that Uighurs were not a Turkic group. Academics called this historical revisionism.
Question : Could India consider a similar procedure in respect of a "Certain Campaign" against "An Agitation"?
Cheers
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
These concentration camps vocational training institutes sound wonderful. I hope China can give ToT to its best friend Pakistan, so Gen Bajwa can do the same.
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
People will remember Imran the chutiya had after the US/UN trip claimed that Pakistan's prestige has increased as he was requested (never clarified by whom) to play the role of a mediator in mending the ties between Saudia Arabia and Iran and more importantly he had claimed that pakistan will play a leading role in bringing together big islamic counties to form a block. Turkey and Iran which are anti Saudi Arabia and anti GCC naturally jumped at the chance to form a block. Look at the situation now - Saudi's bitch slapped Imran and told him not to try and punch above his weight. Net Net - Turkey, Iran and Malaysia have been left holding the bag and Pakistani's have been showed their true aukat.Philip wrote:Hilarious!.The captain doesn't even know which team he's playing for! The OIC led by the shitty Soothis, or the MMM, the Malay Muslim Menagerie.The MMM who've given him much diplomatic
help over Kashmir are now being shafted in true Islamic style.
Brother backstabbing brother in true Islamic tradition. Pak can now forget about selling JF-17s to Malaysia in the futture.
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
From another thread:
Is this true and how much. Pakistaniyat demonstrated by support of ethnic cleansing of minorities.China this week said that 50 countries — including Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq and Pakistan — have written a joint letter commending Beijing for its counterterrorism and de-radicalization efforts and on the economic and social progress in Xinjiang
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
There are several posts on twitter that the army has removed some of the pak facing border fencing. Anyone know what might be going on.
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
Paki Foregin Minister Qurshi on twitter is doing green Pakiness in his Salwar citing "unusal" movement on LOC and sattement of Army Chief Rawat.
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Provocative statements and preparations for escalation along LOC by Indian COAS appear to be an effort as usual to divert world attention from wide spread protests in India against CAB. Pakistan Armed Forces shall befittingly respond to any Indian misadventure or aggression.
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With Pakhis chickening out and backstabbing Khalifa and Musalmaans of Malay + Shia, Would there still be a statement on Kashmir to please 'Servant of KSA' by Clowns of Islamiyat in KL ?Karthik S wrote:Wonder why malaysia felt like it arrived on international stage and can challenge India.
My gut feel says that they would still try to needle India while ignoring China.
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What is a befitting response and why would ISPR assume it to be misadventure ?sivab wrote:https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/stat ... 7002565633DG ISPR
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Provocative statements and preparations for escalation along LOC by Indian COAS appear to be an effort as usual to divert world attention from wide spread protests in India against CAB. Pakistan Armed Forces shall befittingly respond to any Indian misadventure or aggression.
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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
If a army person can never be a traitor in the Wonderland called Pakhistan, Why the eff did they hang those 2 poor sods, a Major General and a Brigadier few days back or is it that only COAS can NOT be a traitor ? Bolo ?
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Naya Pakistan, naya dhamaka
From Yawn - Gas price bomb
From Yawn - Gas price bomb
THE news that the regulator has asked for another massive increase in the price of gas, which might be as high as 221pc for some categories of consumers, has sent a shockwave through the business community. Those who rely on gas as a primary fuel, whether for boilers or captive power plants, could see their energy cost rise at a time when they are already struggling to keep their business running.
And perhaps more importantly, the price of gas could send yet another inflationary pulse through the economy, forcing the central bank to keep interest rates high at a time when the market is increasingly anticipating a cut in rates from around March onwards. Between high interest rates and high energy prices, the pace of economic activity and any sense of a return to economic growth could potentially be at stake, precisely at a time when the government has begun to talk about moving from stabilisation to growth.
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
The Major General (a Sunni) was pure so they gave him 14 years in prison. The impure Brigadier (a Shia) went to the gallows. In the Land of the Pure, purification is taken quite seriously.Vikas wrote:If a army person can never be a traitor in the Wonderland called Pakhistan, Why the eff did they hang those 2 poor sods, a Major General and a Brigadier few days back or is it that only COAS can NOT be a traitor ? Bolo ?
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It is Bhadrakumar, so take it with a pinch of salt:
https://www.rediff.com/news/column/saud ... 191218.htm
Saudi Arabia reads the riot act to Imran
By M K BHADRAKUMAR, December 18, 2019 19:40 IST
'Who put the fear of god into Imran Khan and how it happened we do not know, but the great cricketer panicked and called Mahathir to regret that he cannot attend the KL Summit,' notes Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar.
The KL Summit 2019 hosted by Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad in the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur on December 18-21 was originally conceived as a landmark event in the politics of the Muslim world.
It still is, albeit on a wet wicket struggling to tackle a nasty googly that Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan threw at the event at the last minute.
To recap, the idea of the KL Summit was born out of a trilateral pow-vow between Turkish President Recep Erdogan, Mahathir and Imran in September on the sidelines of the UN general assembly session in New York.
The common perception of the three countries was that the Muslim world failed to react forcefully enough to the emergent situation affecting Kashmiri Muslims.
Pakistan actively promoted the perception that the leadership of the ummah was not reacting forcefully enough over Muslim issues such as Kashmir.
On November 23, while announcing his decision to host the KL Summit, Mahathir said the new platform hoped to bring together Islamic leaders, scholars and clerics who would propose solutions to the many problems facing the world's 1.7 billion Muslims. He disclosed that dignitaries attending the KL Summit would include Erdogan, Qatari Emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani and Imran. The role of politics in development, food security, preserving national identity, and redistributing wealth were listed as other topics to be discussed, alongside the expulsion of Muslims from their homelands and the categorisation of Islam as the 'religion of terrorism'.
In poignant remarks, Mahathir bemoaned that no Muslim country was fully developed, and that some Islamic nations were 'failed States'. He asked, 'Why is there this problem? There must be a reason behind this. We can only know the reason if we get the thinkers, the scholars, and the leaders to give their observations and viewpoints.' 'Perhaps we can take that first step... to help Muslims recover their past glories, or at least to help them avoid the kind of humiliation and oppression that we see around the world today.'
Importantly, Mahathir described the summit as a meeting of minds that had the 'same perception of Islam and the problems faced by the Muslims'.
From among the list of invitees, it now turns out that Iranian President Hassan Rouhani will be attending the summit, but King Salman of Saudi Arabia has regretted that the Organisation of Islamic Conference is being bypassed.
Mahathir disclosed (external link) that King Salman conveyed to him in a phone conversation that it was better that Muslim issues were discussed in a full-fledged OIC meeting. Mahathir said laconically, 'He (King Salman) wanted to tell me the reasons why he couldn't make it. He's afraid that something not good will happen to the Muslims. He has a different opinion from us. He feels that matters like these (Muslim issues) shouldn't just be discussed by two or three countries, and there should be an OIC meeting and I agreed with him.' The testy exchange signalled that the Saudi regime sees the KL Summit as a calculated challenge to its leadership of the ummah and as an initiative about laying the foundations for an Islamic alliance.
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Gautam
https://www.rediff.com/news/column/saud ... 191218.htm
Saudi Arabia reads the riot act to Imran
By M K BHADRAKUMAR, December 18, 2019 19:40 IST
'Who put the fear of god into Imran Khan and how it happened we do not know, but the great cricketer panicked and called Mahathir to regret that he cannot attend the KL Summit,' notes Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar.
The KL Summit 2019 hosted by Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad in the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur on December 18-21 was originally conceived as a landmark event in the politics of the Muslim world.
It still is, albeit on a wet wicket struggling to tackle a nasty googly that Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan threw at the event at the last minute.
To recap, the idea of the KL Summit was born out of a trilateral pow-vow between Turkish President Recep Erdogan, Mahathir and Imran in September on the sidelines of the UN general assembly session in New York.
The common perception of the three countries was that the Muslim world failed to react forcefully enough to the emergent situation affecting Kashmiri Muslims.
Pakistan actively promoted the perception that the leadership of the ummah was not reacting forcefully enough over Muslim issues such as Kashmir.
On November 23, while announcing his decision to host the KL Summit, Mahathir said the new platform hoped to bring together Islamic leaders, scholars and clerics who would propose solutions to the many problems facing the world's 1.7 billion Muslims. He disclosed that dignitaries attending the KL Summit would include Erdogan, Qatari Emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani and Imran. The role of politics in development, food security, preserving national identity, and redistributing wealth were listed as other topics to be discussed, alongside the expulsion of Muslims from their homelands and the categorisation of Islam as the 'religion of terrorism'.
In poignant remarks, Mahathir bemoaned that no Muslim country was fully developed, and that some Islamic nations were 'failed States'. He asked, 'Why is there this problem? There must be a reason behind this. We can only know the reason if we get the thinkers, the scholars, and the leaders to give their observations and viewpoints.' 'Perhaps we can take that first step... to help Muslims recover their past glories, or at least to help them avoid the kind of humiliation and oppression that we see around the world today.'
Importantly, Mahathir described the summit as a meeting of minds that had the 'same perception of Islam and the problems faced by the Muslims'.
From among the list of invitees, it now turns out that Iranian President Hassan Rouhani will be attending the summit, but King Salman of Saudi Arabia has regretted that the Organisation of Islamic Conference is being bypassed.
Mahathir disclosed (external link) that King Salman conveyed to him in a phone conversation that it was better that Muslim issues were discussed in a full-fledged OIC meeting. Mahathir said laconically, 'He (King Salman) wanted to tell me the reasons why he couldn't make it. He's afraid that something not good will happen to the Muslims. He has a different opinion from us. He feels that matters like these (Muslim issues) shouldn't just be discussed by two or three countries, and there should be an OIC meeting and I agreed with him.' The testy exchange signalled that the Saudi regime sees the KL Summit as a calculated challenge to its leadership of the ummah and as an initiative about laying the foundations for an Islamic alliance.
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Gautam
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
A waaaar has broken out between BakMil and Judiciary .....
https://www.dawn.com/news/1439823
Peshawar High Court sets aside sentences of 74 convicted by military court
Btw, this works in Kulbushan Yadav's favor.
https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/statu ... 2460664832
https://www.dawn.com/news/1439823
Peshawar High Court sets aside sentences of 74 convicted by military court
Very brave of the judges. Wonder how long this bravado will last.The Peshawar High Court (PHC) on Thursday set aside the punishments awarded to 74 convicts by military courts in various cases of terrorism.
Accepting their appeals against the military courts' verdicts, a two-member bench comprising Chief Justice Waqar Ahmad Seth and Justice Lal Jan Khattak overturned the death and life sentences that were handed to the convicts.
The court overturned their sentences after concluding that the charges against the accused had not been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Though a short order, the bench ordered that the convicts be released. Nearly 50 of them had been sentenced to death, while the rest were serving jail terms.
Btw, this works in Kulbushan Yadav's favor.
https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/statu ... 2460664832
Oudi babab ...Aditya Raj Kaul @AdityaRajKaul
#BREAKING: Pakistan Bar Council hits out at DG ISPR Asif Ghafoor for violation of legal and constitutional provisions and contempt of court which gives an impression 'that all institutions in Pakistan are subservient to the Armed Forces'. Pak Army-Judiciary war escalates further.
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
^ Is strengthening of 'Demokratik institutions' one of the conditions of the IMF / Grey list thing?
If yes, then that might explain the shows we are seeing in the past few days
If yes, then that might explain the shows we are seeing in the past few days
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Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
Why is Pak Judiciary cross with Army ? Is this battle for Mal-e-ganimat ?
Pak Army has allowed Judiciary to cross the red line. Where is the honor in being Crore Kammander or Chief of terrorist Army these days. Problem is how do you carry out a coup against Supreme Courts when Judges think of themselves as saviors and MiLordships.
PS: I think soon Ghafoora will be facing contempt of court charges. We are just one tweet/press conference away from Ghafoora apologizing to the Lordships.
Pak Army has allowed Judiciary to cross the red line. Where is the honor in being Crore Kammander or Chief of terrorist Army these days. Problem is how do you carry out a coup against Supreme Courts when Judges think of themselves as saviors and MiLordships.
PS: I think soon Ghafoora will be facing contempt of court charges. We are just one tweet/press conference away from Ghafoora apologizing to the Lordships.
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
Lo jee ...
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1 ... 9730785280
Why would Erdogan release such a statement? Did he want to embarrass Dimran? Dost dost na raha ...
Further, https://www.dailysabah.com/diplomacy/20 ... dogan-says
Cooperation with Malaysia, Qatar, Iran will continue, Erdoğan says
Futher down the timeline,
https://twitter.com/farjad99/status/1208042651955744770
That's the link he did say it. Really unfortunate that he went on with this rant though Turkey wasn't the host country here[/quote]
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1 ... 9730785280
Turk blue tick ..Ragıp Soylu @ragipsoylu
BREAKING — Pakistan abstained from Kuala Lumpur Islamic summit because
• Saudi govt threatened economic sanctions such as withdrawing money from Pakistan Central Bank
• And replacing Pakistani workers in Saudi Arabia with Bengals
According to Erdogan’s statement
Why would Erdogan release such a statement? Did he want to embarrass Dimran? Dost dost na raha ...
Further, https://www.dailysabah.com/diplomacy/20 ... dogan-says
Cooperation with Malaysia, Qatar, Iran will continue, Erdoğan says
Futher down the timeline,
https://twitter.com/farjad99/status/1208042651955744770
https://twitter.com/Umarkarim89/status/ ... ]Umarkarim @Umarkarim89Farjad فَرجاد @farjad99
How would @RTErdogan feel if @ImranKhanPTI commented on Turkey-Israel defense and trade relations? #Erdogan has insulted #PMIK and owes him an apology. No leader, even a friend, has the right to undermine another’s decision. @InsafPK @miqazi
That's the link he did say it. Really unfortunate that he went on with this rant though Turkey wasn't the host country here[/quote]
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
Turkey knew Pakistan is a whore afflicted with full blown AIDS and still chose to sleep with it so no sense now for the frustrated Erdogan to vent his anger. Porkistan being the consumate whore with no credibility is not affected one way or the other.
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
https://mobile.twitter.com/AdityaRajKau ... 0470456326
Something major happened in POK yesterday. Teetar is alive on both sides.
Something major happened in POK yesterday. Teetar is alive on both sides.
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
https://imgur.com/gallery/GPC5pj5
tapan wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/AdityaRajKau ... 0470456326
Something major happened in POK yesterday. Teetar is alive on both sides.
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
Looked up, keran is shown in Indian side. Anyone with any news on this?Major Shailendra Sing
@MAJORshailendra
Good morning , Karen village of POK is now. More power to boys . Jai HInd
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
We will not go in to any Pok village which is in a valley..
Re: Terroristan - November 11, 2019
https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1208080344982769665
Bakistan condom. Embedded Bakis statement.Sidhant Sibal @sidhant
A miffed Pakistan issues a statement on India US 2+2 joint statement. Islamabad says matter has been raised with Washington. The joint statement had called on Pak to do more on terror.