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vinod wrote:
VKumar wrote:Wait for today's Friday class.
We will have to wait and watch Friday afternpon prayers.
If they come out screaming Allahuakbar, we can expect serious riots on our hand.
If mullahs have calmed them down, then we can expect the protests to die out by Monday.


This is the accumulated pent up frustrations that have been on slow boil ever since Modi's arrival in dilli.

It deeply scares them that the BJP neither asks for not wants their muslim votes. They feel politically denuded after punching far, very far above their weight for the past 70 odd years courtesy the commies/naxals/congis. The fact that Modi has awakened the sleeping Hindus has shaken them to their very core.

In no other country in the world is a democratically empowered majority led by the nose by a bunch of malicious minorities for over 70 odd years by the very rights willingly given to them by the gullible majority.

It confuses and angers them that the saudi and the gulf states welcome, honor and respect Modi and give him their highest national awards.

The muslim leadership understands CAB/CAA as well as anyone else but they are all fanning the flames by purposefully pushing false fears among their brethren.
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UlanBatori wrote:
Nikhil T wrote:There's simply no excuse to destroy public property.
+400
IMHO Nikhilji, that simple statement is what is new in India: people actually SAYING that destroying public property is senseless and only harms the nation.

Once this becomes "common sense", the netas who thrive on bus-burning can be driven out. There is no excuse for rioting just to "release anger" as the excuse has been for 70+ years. They can shake their mijjiles in private for that.

Progress. One step at a time. Thanks!
IMO, "rioting to release anger" is a chicken and egg problem that has no easy answers. All Governments say they are okay with peaceful protests, but they quickly impose Sec 144 preventing assembly when either (a) the protest becomes violent or (b) the protest gains in size and becomes a political eyesore. Unfortunately, there is no simple method to protest in India against the Government's wishes - the police will always crack down with indiscriminate lathi charge/breaking private property and then the circle of violence begins, until one side backs down. E.g. during recent crackdown against lawyers in Delhi High Court, the Delhi Police destroyed several bikes / cars.

Even during Nirbhaya protests, Sec 144 was imposed at Ramlila Grounds - when policemen hit sleeping peaceful protesters because the Govt of the day wanted them to do so. Violence against policemen isn't new either. As recently, as 2016, UP Police and BJP workers resorted to stone pelting each other. (source). Similarly, mining mafias have killed policemen with impunity because of political protection.

My point is that while there is no doubt the current violent protests are terrible and must end, there is no party or religion or ethnic group that can claim to be holier-than-thou in violence during street protests. As a hypothetical example, I guarantee you that if tomorrow, there's a legislation or SC ruling to strike down caste-based reservations, we'll see a repeat of these scenes with even more intensity. The Jat protests in 2016 was essentially rioting with hundreds of non-Jat owned shops burned and vehicles destroyed on highways. Unfortunately, this is how politics is done in India and we must change (to your point).
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Nikhil T wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:
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IMHO Nikhilji, that simple statement is what is new in India: people actually SAYING that destroying public property is senseless and only harms the nation.

Once this becomes "common sense", the netas who thrive on bus-burning can be driven out. There is no excuse for rioting just to "release anger" as the excuse has been for 70+ years. They can shake their mijjiles in private for that.

Progress. One step at a time. Thanks!
IMO, "rioting to release anger" is a chicken and egg problem that has no easy answers. All Governments say they are okay with peaceful protests, but they quickly impose Sec 144 preventing assembly when either (a) the protest becomes violent or (b) the protest gains in size and becomes a political eyesore. Unfortunately, there is no simple method to protest in India against the Government's wishes - the police will always crack down with indiscriminate lathi charge/breaking private property and then the circle of violence begins, until one side backs down. E.g. during recent crackdown against lawyers in Delhi High Court, the Delhi Police destroyed several bikes / cars.

Even during Nirbhaya protests, Sec 144 was imposed at Ramlila Grounds - when policemen hit sleeping peaceful protesters because the Govt of the day wanted them to do so. Violence against policemen isn't new either. As recently, as 2016, UP Police and BJP workers resorted to stone pelting each other. (source).

My point is that while there is no doubt the current violent protests are terrible and must end, there is no party or religion or ethnic group that can claim to be holier-than-thou in violence during street protests. As a hypothetical example, I guarantee you that if tomorrow, there's a legislation to strike down caste-based reservations, we'll see a repeat of these scenes with even more intensity. The Jat protests in 2016 was essentially rioting with hundreds of non-Jat owned shops burned and vehicles destroyed on highways. Unfortunately, this is how politics is done in India and we must change (to your point).

The real target here is the NRC.

Both minorities do not want this.

Their free run via the illegal migration and conversion agenda will be hampered significantly.

one is foolishly burning the busses and trains while the other is quietly mobilizing western support which is rising in support of the anti CAA/CAB crowd.
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Guys, I loved Rahul Shiv Shankar's show today where he took that clown Amir Raza to the cleaners. This moron was claiming to have read the NRC draft.

Now, among all the bogus arguments that libtards give on Muslim angst, and even Rahul Shiv Shankar latched on to it, is ModiJi's statement that protesters can be identified by their clothes. Its clear to all of us what he meant. Jihadi louts. But his detractors say thats a communal instigation against 'peaceful protesters'. Believe me, the libtards really think they have ModiJi by his b@lls on this one, this one statement of his is going to be repeated over and over again. Problem is there is nothing much he can say. Interesting to see how this plays out.
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CRamS wrote:Guys, I loved Rahul Shiv Shankar's show today where he took that clown Amir Raza to the cleaners. This moron was claiming to have read the NRC draft.

Now, among all the bogus arguments that libtards give on Muslim angst, and even Rahul Shiv Shankar latched on to it, is ModiJi's statement that protesters can be identified by their clothes. Its clear to all of us what he meant. Jihadi louts. But his detractors say thats a communal instigation against 'peaceful protesters'. Believe me, the libtards really think they have ModiJi by his b@lls on this one, this one statement of his is going to be repeated over and over again. Problem is there is nothing much he can say. Interesting to see how this plays out.
That one statement was deliberate. The Libs have walked into a trap. CAA protests were seen as anti majority and they changed to NRC. The 'protests' are making everyone see who is doing them and where. BTW, 100,000 people protesting in a nation of 130 crore!! 15 odd dead over 2 weeks!! Well 1000s have died in we all know the events.

The party has been forged in Ayodhya Mandir, Anti Lib agitations, other mass events for decades. Right now its only handful of peacefuls creating ruckus. The day Tandav begins on streets, libs would rue. Like Balakot.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjqjEc7fuA4

Brave police officer in Bangalore makes anti-CAA mob recite national anthem and disburse peacefully..
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Randi Dutt wrote in WaPo ... yindoo fascist Modi blah blah Muslim purge blah blah
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Nikhil:
The hard-learned lessons in Khanistan (sheer savagery since 1492; unbroken legal trail since 1775) are that anger is suppressed by huge monetary consequences, apart from prospect of getting buggered in jail for 40 years or 99 years. The monetary thing is the real deterrent. I don't think this is a happy solution (drives up all costs sky-high, and puts legal assistance out of reach of simple folks) but it beats the heck out of the alternatives.

The best example is the Southern Poverty Law Centers (now sadly degenerated into another money-grubbing corporation infested with PC-tard incompetents...). They absolutely did the impossible: smashed the Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Nations etc etc. Not by hanging the members, as was tried after the Civil War by the guvrmand, but by going after their assets. The HQ of SPLC is conspicuously in the renovated former HQ of the KKK - won in legal settlement. They just persisted, and went after the netas, driving them into bankruptcy.

People will say, "In India they will put a supari on u" but the US is the master-class in that too.. car-bombs and machine-gun drivebys were in vogue even in the 1920s; kidnap-concrete-shoes fear was there even before. But the money road-roller crushes all b4 it. A jury can just say: "$4B in damages, 16B in punitive damages" and that's it.

The fun in "righteous anger" evaporates when one thinks of the utter certainty of this.
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UB:
^ In India, the enforcement of even normal laws like rape and corruption is abysmal. It's very unlikely we can confiscate property and impose economic costs on protester's assets. These are just slogans from Yogi and others, who know fully well they are unimplementable (albeit the right long-term approach).

Also, even if we could impose economic costs, we shouldn't do it starting today with these anti-CAA protests. That will lead to more accusations of bias against those anti-Modi or pro-Muslim. It will fan the fire, rather than extinguish it. E.g. why didn't we impose these costs on Jat protestor's in 2016 - they were equally bad in destroying public and private property as the current anti-CAB/NRC mobs. Or on the Patidar protestors in 2015, when the CM said they destroyed Rs 200 crore worth of police property.
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vijayk wrote:Randi Dutt wrote in WaPo ... yindoo fascist Modi blah blah Muslim purge blah blah
She's trying to milk this whole situation to further her own career ambitions. What better way to get assured publication in a prominent Western newspaper than to write a critical article on your own country.
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There was an article on how the Chinese treat deserters from their armed forces. They have trouble getting loans access to public transport pay fines fees and damages.. the works. That’s what’s needed for those who damage public property .

Their uyhgur happiness camps are horrible and stupid but this other scheme sounds effective
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https://youtu.be/ZTO7uvFHZMc the protestors have no clue what CAA is and still protesting
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Bengaluru prays, protests for India

No idea why these folks are playing rght into BJP hands with their antics ( pics in link of "certain community" praying on roads in Blore as part of protests)
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banrjeer wrote:The govt should not have called it citizenship amendment just amnesty. wording matters , especially in India where things will be taken out of context. Why expose yourself.
Please read the fine print - this was not a new law, which you can name whatever you want, but an amendment to an existing law. The existing law was called the Citizenship Act of 1955, and so any amendment to it is bound to be called the Citizenship (Amendment) Bill, hence the CAB. This was the same law that got amended earlier to make provision for OCI.

Now, one could argue that we could have bypassed the existing law and passed a completely new Act for granting amnesty. But such a law would need to derive from the authority given under the Citizenship Act, and it would have run contradictory to the same Citizenship Act, i.e. the provisions that were just amended. So one way or the other, the existing Act would have had to be amended. Hope that's clear.
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Note that the NRC/Foreigners Act Expulsion was the brainchild of Nehru.

Memorandum From the Department of State Executive Secretary (Read) to the President’s Special Assistant for National Security Affairs (Bundy) - Washington, December 18, 1963
India has continued to expel sizeable numbers of Muslims from Assam and Tripura into East Pakistan and has taken a hard line on negotiations with Pakistan on this problem. However, on November 13 Home Minister Nanda announced that special judicial tribunals were being formed to review expulsion cases to assure that no errors were made. Moreover, agreement reportedly has been reached with Pakistan for diplomatic and ministerial talks on the Muslim evacuee problem. This may be jeopardized by Pakistan’s action to close India’s branch office in East Pakistan.
FOREIGN RELATIONS OF THE UNITED STATES, 1961–1963, VOLUME XIX, SOUTH ASIA

https://history.state.gov/historicaldoc ... 63v19/d343
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https://twitter.com/tv9gujarati/status/ ... 4826460160

Time to shoot at sight of this garbage
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BIF run EJ schools are rampant in GJ. Something that should have been clamped down but wasn't. Same thing with liquor runners, drug runners, and BDs. Good thing is that the GJ people sleeping since 2002 would wake up and realize that the lot of replacements since Modi have been garbage. When in second tier cities, you have muslims just walking and gunning down Hindus and not even make it to the news cycle, you're bound to get some bitter dose sooner than later. Just for people who may be surprised about GJ.
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Okay, this protest movement seems to be gaining ground. Hope goi knows how to diffuse the situation before it gets out of hand. I haven't been too impressed with their execution on other issues
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Yesterday's attack on cops should have been more than enough justification to authorize any kind of self defense by the cops. Police in GJ and Delhi come under BJP govts, there is no justification for the govt to tie cops hands and make them endure such humiliation and physical assault. The cops shot dead DSS supporters, jailed people who fired crackers during diwali.
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From what I gather the movement exploded like this due to DP handling of Jamia protest where they broke in to library and smoke bombed students not even protesting. These visuals broadcast everywhere and many students including those IIT and IIM felt govt crossed the line. THis is a complete failure of home ministry which runs delhi police. I can understand mishandling somewhere else but right in delhi when you have such humongous resources why couldnt they handle protests properly.

THis is only one of the series of blunders of home ministry. Amit Shah, who runs intelligence bureau and home ministry and fancied as apara chanakya failed to anticipate the protest in Assam when BJP members themselves quit the party. Its been 8 days and the internet is still not restored there. 5 people across religions were shot dead and became martyrs and had huge funerals. Thats enough emotional material for a generation in skillfull hands. Not one single protestor was killed in recent telangana agitation but just a few on camera suicides were used to hilt by the movement. Morover in Assam the hindu middle class is firmly in opposition to the bill and the mainstream TVs have fully supported the protest. And I fully empathize with assamese.

Nobody wants to feel as if they cant control (or not engaged) their immediate borders or immediate neighbors and this will be decided by apara chanakya delhi (who in reality act worse than Paramanandayya shishyula cheshtalu (antics of paramanadayya disciples)). It creates a sense of helplessness and disempowerment and turns to resentment - what I and many andhra people went through when empress Sonia divided AP without no cause or no explanation just to put her little prince Rahul to power. That megalomaniac gandhi parivar is replaced by some equally clueless sangh parivar leading to same shoddy rule.
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pankajs wrote:The protest it not about CAA, which is already a law, but to prevent NRC Act from being enacted. Even if BJP does not back-off, it is to scare the other parties whose support will be needed to pass it in RS.

NRC, by itself, cannot be opposed because it will look anti-national so they have chosen to go with this and scare the hell out of the rest of the parties.
As someone (@Sivab ???) pointed out NRC may not need a parliamentary approval but the core logic remains i.e. to prevent NRC.

https://indianexpress.com/article/opini ... t-6175657/
What the young say [By Najeeb Jung] {Very legit to deflect from the main protagonist}

Implementation of nation-wide NRC will put India in a state of conflict. Government must listen, step back
There have been signs that anxiety was building up among the youth for some years now. The initial manifestation came with the agitation following the unfortunate suicide of Rohith Vemula in January 2016 in Hyderabad, which highlighted the callousness and insensitivity of university administrations towards Dalit students. At the same time, JNU was simmering: Its vice-chancellor had done enough to damage what is arguably the most outstanding university in India. Harsh actions against students and faculty, locking up of spaces to curb the movement of students within the campus, restrictions on speech caused umbrage in universities not just in India but across the academic world. There have been protests elsewhere too. Adding to this anger is the fact that there are few jobs available to students leaving universities.

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It is tragic that Jamia’s authorities did not counsel the students towards restraint. The students had no senior leader to turn to. In fact, it is devastating that the Muslim community has no seasoned leadership to turn to. Its leadership has fallen into the hands of poorly educated, backward-looking, conservative maulanas. And, with palpable antagonism from the government, young Muslims have no one to turn to.

So far, most Muslim students in leading universities have been removed from negative influences. But anxieties and frustrations run high among them. Statements of ministers and ruling party spokespersons that the NRC will be implemented across India have only increased their anxiety. There have been reports of detention camps coming up in some states. The government is pushing increasingly provocative policies and using tactics like shutting down the internet to stifle dissent and free speech. The CAA was the final straw that broke the camel’s back.

While the constitutionality of the CAA is for the Supreme Court to judge, the India-wide NRC is the immediate cause for concern. Originally meant only for Assam, it is intended to be extended to all of India. Such an exercise is understandably feared for its potential to disenfranchise millions of Indian Muslims.
1. Try to portray it as a generic "youth" anxiety and bring in all kind of extraneous incidents to justify. Well, Modi got a thumping majority even after those incidents. The is just a cover for communal agenda.
2. All fault is to be blamed on others. The BJP, the University, etc. Standard.
3. Then the admission comes ... Muslims are frustrated, the most proximate trigger being CAA and impending NRC, though the frustration can be traced back to the previous 5 years.
4. "reports of detention camp .. in some states" is a common ploy used by jurnos to lie .. see he saw/read "reports" about "states". Indian Express, with its resources, should have been able to tell us exactly which states are definitely building detention camps and which are in the process and who ordered thm. BUT agenda uuncha rahe hamara!
5. GOI's policy is to implement is manifesto and uphold law and order .. but trust a jurno to make is sound sinister.
6. Finally CAA opened the doors to NRC and NRC is the cause of all the anxiety for the community. Rest of jobs, internet, etc are just smoke screen to create a cover for making this point.

India-wide NRC is the ONLY way to identify all "illegals" else they will keep shifting places and the issue can never be resolved
The protests by students may quieten soon. But they will possibly recur with greater ferocity in the near future. Assam and many parts of the Northeast are seething. The uncertainty of the NRC process destroyed people emotionally — some committed suicide, unable to bear the anxiety. They are now burdened with the appeal process, having been excluded from the Register. Once the CAA comes in, there is fear of being swamped by non-Muslim refugees — that will challenge the ancient Assamese culture and burden Assam’s scarce resources. There are similar concerns in other parts of the Northeast.
The lie propagated by Indian express ... The cutoff date is 31-Dec-2014 i.e. illegals are already inside India, Assam and NE states. The inaction of the past 50+ years have resulted in what Assam and NE are seeing.

NRC with the Inner line permit + other recent steps will ensure that Assam and other NE states will not have to worry about future "illegals". The past inaction lead to the current status.
In all probability, thousands will boycott the NRC process. States will decline the Centre’s diktat, challenging the very core of our federal structure. Where will the detention camps be built? What will be the cost? How much of administrative manpower will be used?
The beauty of NRC is that it will not be easy to bypass it ..

1. Link it from the Cradle to Grave and everything in the middle. Every step of you public access will need to be validated against the NRC db thus making it impossible to by-pass it for any length of time.

A poor will be forced to NRC by PDS and other GOI subsidy scheme. A rich will be forced into the NRC when it will be required for his next air-ticket and I am just giving 2 extreme examples. Boycott my a$$.

2. There will be no "detention camp" just denial of basic service with an ID. Let people keep themselves locked inside their houses.

What will be the cost of that to the GOI and the taxpayer? NONE except to get the NRC infrastructure in place!

How will it be administered? By forcing NRC validation for everything right from cradle to the grave or crematorium. No additional manpower needed because people who want to get anything or anywhere will self-administer.

PLUS, there will be no "PR" issue either in India or Abroad. GOI, of course, will always be willing to "help" anyone found missing from the NRC DB by providing door "service" for verification and "ensuring" that they get their "legitimate" access & share of government's schemes, all in the name of transparency and fight against corruption. :rotfl: How cynical ...

Note: I don't know what the GOI plans but this is what I think will be the best path. Least controversial plus cost-effective plus simple to administer and one without little scope of "PR disaster".

I also think that GOI should NOT announce the service linking just yet. Focus on getting CAA/NRC done without attaching any other objectives. This is certainly going back to the SC and no need for giving more material to the opposition at this stage.

GOI can simply insist that it objective is just to get the Citizenship register done. Multiple chance for appeal followed by full access to the courts. No detention in interim and citizenship or deportation after the process. Keep it clean and simple.

AFTER it has passed the SC hurdle, and NCR will be challenged on its own separate from CAA, slowly start rolling out linkages. Just to piss off the so called liberals, my first choice of linkage will be air-tickets. Let the liberals say that they will stay at home or take a cab to their next lit-fest or vacation. It is tactical too because it will be challenged. Better to get it SC approved for something as inconsequential as air-tickets than the PDS and then roll it our for the rest starting with the Mobile/Internet connection, followed by banks and PDS and the rest.

Let me see how many people decide they want to boycott a scheme that will disrupt their life at every step every day.
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kiranA wrote:From what I gather the movement exploded like this due to DP handling of Jamia protest where they broke in to library and smoke bombed students not even protesting. These visuals broadcast everywhere and many students including those IIT and IIM felt govt crossed the line. THis is a complete failure of home ministry which runs delhi police. I can understand mishandling somewhere else but right in delhi when you have such humongous resources why couldnt they handle protests properly.

THis is only one of the series of blunders of home ministry. Amit Shah, who runs intelligence bureau and home ministry and fancied as apara chanakya failed to anticipate the protest in Assam when BJP members themselves quit the party. Its been 8 days and the internet is still not restored there. 5 people across religions were shot dead and became martyrs and had huge funerals. Thats enough emotional material for a generation in skillfull hands. Not one single protestor was killed in recent telangana agitation but just a few on camera suicides were used to hilt by the movement. Morover in Assam the hindu middle class is firmly in opposition to the bill and the mainstream TVs have fully supported the protest. And I fully empathize with assamese.

Nobody wants to feel as if they cant control (or not engaged) their immediate borders or immediate neighbors and this will be decided by apara chanakya delhi (who in reality act worse than Paramanandayya shishyula cheshtalu (antics of paramanadayya disciples)). It creates a sense of helplessness and disempowerment and turns to resentment - what I and many andhra people went through when empress Sonia divided AP without no cause or no explanation just to put her little prince Rahul to power. That megalomaniac gandhi parivar is replaced by some equally clueless sangh parivar leading to same shoddy rule.
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Yesterday's riots were something more too.

Dress Rehearsal Violence North of Narmada

Dress Rehearsal for Peaceful mobilization south of Narmada (to break whatever financial support that flows to northern Hindus from south)

BIF has ascertained Narmada as the fault-line here.
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North to be taken down violently

South to be taken down with deracination of Hindus (killing it softly)

Look at the political equations emerging

I refuse to believe it was Sena's Home-minister's deftness that gave us a peaceful Muslim protest yesterday (as against Gujarat).
Gurus, above tweets from atri sir. Are they far fetched or are 'they' sensing an opening here as above tweets say.
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kiranA wrote:From what I gather the movement exploded like this due to DP handling of Jamia protest where they broke in to library and smoke bombed students not even protesting. These visuals broadcast everywhere and many students including those IIT and IIM felt govt crossed the line. THis is a complete failure of home ministry which runs delhi police. I can understand mishandling somewhere else but right in delhi when you have such humongous resources why couldnt they handle protests properly.

THis is only one of the series of blunders of home ministry. Amit Shah, who runs intelligence bureau and home ministry and fancied as apara chanakya failed to anticipate the protest in Assam when BJP members themselves quit the party. Its been 8 days and the internet is still not restored there. 5 people across religions were shot dead and became martyrs and had huge funerals. Thats enough emotional material for a generation in skillfull hands. Not one single protestor was killed in recent telangana agitation but just a few on camera suicides were used to hilt by the movement. Morover in Assam the hindu middle class is firmly in opposition to the bill and the mainstream TVs have fully supported the protest. And I fully empathize with assamese.

Nobody wants to feel as if they cant control (or not engaged) their immediate borders or immediate neighbors and this will be decided by apara chanakya delhi (who in reality act worse than Paramanandayya shishyula cheshtalu (antics of paramanadayya disciples)). It creates a sense of helplessness and disempowerment and turns to resentment - what I and many andhra people went through when empress Sonia divided AP without no cause or no explanation just to put her little prince Rahul to power. That megalomaniac gandhi parivar is replaced by some equally clueless sangh parivar leading to same shoddy rule.
Enjoy it while you can and if you empathize with those radicals, go and join those protests, and while you are at it - gloat on cc-tv cameras to make your identification easier.. Mocking the greatest government we ever had due to your petty regionalist grouse and justifying rancid anti-nationalism is typical of your backstabbing regionalist minded folks.

I believe the current Govt can get the situation under control sooner or later.. let the Pakis, Peaceful and their closet supporters like yourself whine, the silent majority is solidly behind Modiji and BJP on this issue.
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Cain Marko wrote:Okay, this protest movement seems to be gaining ground. Hope goi knows how to diffuse the situation before it gets out of hand.
That is because protest movement is now slowly becoming a communal riot. GoI fully knows that they are dealing with a communal riot (and not any sort of protest). There is an alert to every police agency to be more active and prepare for the Friday prayers and happenings after that. And more communal riots, expect more polarisation towards Hindu causes. Also in social media I am now seeing a distinct change in the pro-riot gang. From the earlier anti-CAA stance they are now slowly weaseling out by saying that they are anti-NRC. That is when NRC modalities have not even been worked out yet.
kiranA wrote:From what I gather the movement exploded like this due to DP handling of Jamia protest where they broke in to library and smoke bombed students not even protesting.
And Jamia "students" also exposed themselves as grade 1 Islamic religious bigots. The women who were shown as protestors turned out by nothing but Jehadi sympathisers. And these continuous religion induced rioting is only going to cause more polarisation and resentment towards the community.
5 people across religions were shot dead and became martyrs and had huge funerals.
When and where? I am sorry, I actually scan some of the most anti-BJP news papers. Did not see a news item like this.
pankajs wrote:As someone (@Sivab ???) pointed out NRC may not need a parliamentary approval but the core logic remains i.e. to prevent NRC.
The Citizenship (Registration of Citizens and Issue of National Identity Cards) Rules, 2003 - is a key rule which explains the process of maintaining the citizenship register. This is a man made rule, so A.Shah & Co can still bring amendments to it.

Few salient points are;
1. There is a big role for local self government bodies, state governments in this exercise. Central Govt is not owning this activity 100%. Which means that state governments can (and most likely will) play spoil sport.
2. The onus to prove a person a non-citizen is with the government. The individual do not need to take any initiative to get counted. Information when asked for, has to be shared, but violation of this rule only leads to a Rs.1000 fine :).
3. The data to be collected on each individual is pretty extensive. Every one should have at least one National ID # to be shared (I guess this means either Aadhaar Card # or Voters ID Card # for the common man, and passport # for the frequent flyers). Names of parents, along with permanent and temporary addresses are also to be collected.

In today's digital world and with the network bandwidth we now have in India we can really use the data generated on each individual. Digitisation of the population data is the key. Let the state governments do the enumeration work, but it has to be done on a mobile phone/tablet device with software made by GoI. What ever a person gives as input can be taken in its face value, but then there should be a triage system being done in the back end. We all know that today's major problem is Bangladeshi illegals. Get them registered as "Bengalis", but then there should be thorough scrutiny of their parents & permanent address - both which is expected to be in West Bengal. Through the NRC data collected from West Bengal & from postal department both these parts can be verified. Suspects can be flagged then and there.

From what I have observed in KL, the main problem which K.P faces is that they don't have a quick way to verify the authenticity of any "Bengali" worker. They all come with some ID card and a W.B address. K.P does not have time & resources to verify that. Very many times K.P who have chased suspects all the way to West Bengal realise that the address which they had was invalid!.
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Karthik S wrote:Gurus, above tweets from atri sir. Are they far fetched or are 'they' sensing an opening here as above tweets say.
Don't know whether it is far-fetched or not. But looks like there is really a game plan on to topple the current GoI using non-democratic means. BIF has now realised that Parliament based activity will not work; because pro-BIF parties are now a minority. Other pain problems like J&K etc are all now getting eliminated one after the other. GoI seems to be moving with a clear agenda and good action plan.

So BIF has now changed its strategy. The anti-CAA protest, now slowly being changed to anti-NRC is one such move. A properly done NRC will trap illegals and also show the latest real figures of religion based demographics. This is the last thing which BIF wants to happen at this point of time.

I do agree with Kal Chiron, that in South a different strategy is being adopted. South has not really seen the violent side of Islam, so they are more amenable to psychology based manipulations. In North that is not the case, and so the usual style of violence is taken out. Violence in South India generally is counter productive and BIF knows that.
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Thier violence is counter productive everywhere but do the split- looks like BIF want to control South India and use it as a bargaining chip vs the North? For the present Kerala, TN- AP ares where they can capture Political power and violence in MH will make SHiv Sena position untenable.

The violence has been well planned with BBC, CNN , Al Jazeera global leftists all sinking in, it seems CAA, RAM Mandir , NFRA, stopping the looting of Banks , trying to get Mallya, PC , Vadra all have culminated in this action.

It seems Secular Hindus do have a tie up with ISI and have had link in the betrayal of Pakistani and Bangladeshi Hindus.
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I hope the next major reform from the GoI is one related to population control. The census results are due in 2022 and should provide some quality data on where the country is out of control as far as population goes.

If there are concerns regarding demographic change in the country, then a single reform can bring them into place. In the case of CAA and NRC, some people are finding a way to hide their true agenda. Whereas population control law could bring everyone out of their closet.
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Aditya_V wrote:looks like BIF want to control South India and use it as a bargaining chip vs the North?
Could be. I am willing to be corrected. The South historically was quite a manageable place for even the British. In places like Mysore, Travancore and Cochin they had pliable kings. Most of the other parts were part of Madras Presidency. Even during the freedom struggle, there would be lesser level of protests in South compared to North. South also took on the "western/modern education" schemes much in advance so much so that there world view also suits that of the western masters. Today, I also feel if materialistic wealth is concerned Southern States would be in a better position when compared to North.

The key challenge for BIF how ever would be in population and demographics. In the current form representative democracy BIF will never be able to send their favourite folks as MPs and expect to have a majority in Parliament. So unless things go to the level of demanding secession or a civil war, BIF may not be able to get much leverage by pampering South India more. But I do strongly feel that BIF is actively encouraging secessionist tendencies in South (KL thinking like a Arab Sheikdom, TN thinking like part of Tamil Eelam etc; cannot be just coincidence).
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Security beefed up in Mangaluru; Mediapersons from Kerala in police custody.
Along with such "good deeds" to the country like sending maximum number of ISIS recruits, Kerala is also now causing problems to her neighbouring states as well. Kerala media right from 2014 has been behaving like it is being financed by Arab sheiks. Karnataka had this style of cutting cable TV channels in other languages if there is a problem. Perhaps they should restart it right now. Don't encourage Malayalam based news papers and channels to cause more damage in Karnataka state. People from Kerala behind Mangaluru violence: Karnataka Home Minister.
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https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1207859820746829824
engaluru: A 35-year-old woman bus conductor, Indira bai was attacked with acid by 2 unknown miscreants, yesterday. A case has been registered in Bagalgunte police station. #Karnataka
Makes one blood boil but all soo called Liberals support such actions.
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It is tragic that Jamia’s authorities did not counsel the students towards restraint. The students had no senior leader to turn to. In fact, it is devastating that the Muslim community has no seasoned leadership to turn to. Its leadership has fallen into the hands of poorly educated, backward-looking, conservative maulanas. And, with palpable antagonism from the government, young Muslims have no one to turn to.

it would be extremely foolish for us to think that "authorities" in the major muslim universities have any authority in the true sense of the term. They are all puppets.

There are dark and shadowy forces that actually wield authority and actively influence govt decisions as to who the VC and other mukhotas will be. These are the ones giving the orders which are unfailingly implemented by these mukhotas.

the organisations include but are not limited to Darul Uloom Deoband and the Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind and also include associated organizations like Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam, Majlis-e-Ahrar-e-Islam, Tablighi Jamaat, All India Muslim Personal Law Board and what have you and mind you this is just the deobandi lot.

There are various other non deobandi institutions that are also actively competing in the mix.

We should not forget that many of these guys have very considerable cross border religious access and heavy influence in paki and beedi lands that are traditional, as as well as, historic in nature.
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Let the protest target completely move to NRC, then the govt can take the wind out of the sails instantly by simply declaring "NRC is kept in abeyance due to protest. Will do only with people's confidence onlee".

Then do it silently along with Census 2021
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^^
Possible ... but dangerous. They will shift back to CAA and ask for its rollback. The liberandus work like Islamist. Every "victory" is an opportunity to push further. Let the current protest(s) run its course as it will.

OTHO, after the protest over CAA have calmed down, put NRC on the back-burner and tweak the process to make the Census 2021 a de-facto NRC. Make conciliatory noise about having a wider consultation, forming committees to study the whole thing and make end to end recco, etc. Liberandus and opposition understand that committees are they graveyard of ideas and they should pipe down after that. Heck nominate a few opposition leaders and activists to the committee for all I care and let them be as obstructionist as they want to be inside the committee!

Once the whole population is enrolled announce that NRC will be seeded with the Census data and commence verification and weeding. Issue provisional NRC ID to all and start the service & subsidy linkage.
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Read the thread ...

https://twitter.com/Musashi_Nair/status ... 9068067841
Many seem surprised by the extent of indoctrination and love for Yakub Memon among these students from Kerala. Let me give you an example of how an indoctrination system has become institutionalised that stretches from Kerala to Jamia.
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Ashamed to see my Alma mater IIMB planning protest in support of Jamia students. Then saw that one Prof. Deepak Malghan was leading it. Then recalled how he used to brag that he was a senior advisor in the Sonia led UPA government. Makes sense.
These partisans should be thrown out of the institutes. They have no right to be there and indoctrinate students.
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the organisations include but are not limited to Darul Uloom Deoband and the Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind and also include associated organizations like Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam, Majlis-e-Ahrar-e-Islam, Tablighi Jamaat, All India Muslim Personal Law Board and what have you and mind you this is just the deobandi lot.
We need some jew faction with religious holidays on Saturday. Afterall it has to be abrehemic sect to be called 'secular' thusly the natives will end up with 3 days long weekend.
These partisans should be thrown out of the institutes
Or shifted to JNU but is it as good over there for humanity studies without having to eat up tech/management support for higher education.
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First order of the business is to close Humanity departments in most of the central universities, IITs and IIMs. Huge waste of peoples money and only creating traitors. So why spend money on them? Sociology students in IITs? Come on.
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