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https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll ... st/1714208
21 JANUARY 2020 Last Updated at 9:40 PM | SOURCE: IANS
Desi field gun Sharang clears field test
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Pratyush wrote:Any news on the PGK that was being developed for 155 mm shell's.
No update on ARDE developed PGK fuze yet.

But there is an Israeli fuze called TopGun which is based on different methodolgy could be made in India.
Who knows!
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Bharat Forge is going to showcase their 155 MM 52 caliber ULH at Defexpo. Would be interesting to see the range increase it will have over the M777. Its 39 caliber 155 MM ULH had a range of 24.7 km and with assisted ammunition it was 30 Km.
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Thakur_B wrote:Image

ULH by Bharat Forge is ready.
Baba (kalyani) ji ki jai ho !!

See in the rear, mounted gun too.
I think
First one is 52 Cal ULH
Second one is 39 cal ULH
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Bharat Forge has also developed a truck mounted 155 MM 39 caliber version per General Bipin Rawat' s suggestion.
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Kalyani

ULH

39 caliber & 52 caliber in Steel Towed
39 caliber & 52 caliber in Titanium towed
39 caliber steel truck mounted

Standard ie Automated like Bofors
45 caliber towed in Steel
52 caliber towed in Titanium ie ATAGS
52 caliber truck mounted in Steel

Orders ZERO
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Excalibur S = GPS+SAL. This is being aimed more at the USMC and US Navy. A MMW RF and/or IIR seeker based fire and forget round is also in the works as a long term solution for this threat set (moving target and/or GPS degraded). Excalibur is also getting the M-code upgrade making it extremely hard to spoof.. Range of Ex. S is unchanged. 35-40 from the 39 cal. M777 ULH and 63 km from the ERCA M109A7 (58 caliber).

Raytheon tests laser-guided Excalibur S round for US Navy

Raytheon Missile Systems has conducted live firing tests of its Excalibur S semi-active laser (SAL) guided artillery projectile against a moving target.

Conducted at the Yuma Proving Ground in Arizona in April 2019, but not disclosed until 5 February this year, two Excalibur S rounds were fired from a I55 mm M777 towed howitzer against a 3×3 m moving target, which was designated by a ground lasing system. The tests also validated the Excalibur S projectile’s ability to survive the shock and stress of a howitzer firing, then transition from global positioning system (GPS) to laser guidance. The range for the Excalibur S projectile fired from an M777 is approximately equivalent to that of the Excalibur Ib, fired from the same weapon: approximately 35–40 km.

The testing was conducted in collaboration with the US Office of Naval Research (ONR), which is evaluating moving target artillery capabilities for the US Marine Corps, which fields the M777. An initial test of the Excalibur S was conducted at Yuma in 2014. Trevor Dunwell, product area director for Raytheon Missile Systems, told Jane’s additional Excalibur S tests for ONR are planned this year, but he was not cleared to disclose the timeline or testing location.A Raytheon-funded development of the 155 mm M982A1 Excalibur Ib GPS-guided artillery projectile, Excalibur S supplements the GPS technology of the Excalibur Ib with a digital SAL seeker. The SAL sensor is activated in flight to detect reflected laser energy on a target, providing precision terminal guidance against moving targets, and an ability to engage all targets without accurate location information. The Excalibur S also reduces the risk associated with operating in a GPS-contested environment, and existing Excalibur Ib projectiles can be upgraded with the new Excalibur S capability.
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Saudi to evaluate Kalyani group's artillery guns Bharat 52, Garuda V2.
The Pune-based Kalyani Group, which has made a major foray into the field of artillery gun systems, has made strong pitching for supplying these heavy weapons to the Saudi Arabian military. It has been learnt that two types of gun systems — both designed and developed by Kalyani Group — are being sent later this year to Saudi Arabia for trial evaluation by the Royal Saudi Army in the forbidding Arabian desert.
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Post evaluation i look forward to the Saudi army buying the guns to show Saudi commitment to India.
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How about Indian government first showing its commitment to an Indian company?
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Why conflate the two separate issues. The government's responsibility should be limited to clearing the items for export and provide an assurance that India will not impose sanctions against the buyer.

The supply of spares can be covered by a seperate contract between the company and the customer.

The domestic purchase of the equipment is not a prerequisite for the success of export. As long as the basic GSQR is met.
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Pratyush wrote:Why conflate the two separate issues. The government's responsibility should be limited to clearing the items for export and provide an assurance that India will not impose sanctions against the buyer.

The supply of spares can be covered by a seperate contract between the company and the customer.

The domestic purchase of the equipment is not a prerequisite for the success of export. As long as the basic GSQR is met.
but it is a confidence builder for a purchaser if a system is in operational use of Indian forces. this is espicially imp for country like India which is entering exports for the first time...
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Is there any photos of the BF version of ATAGS in DefenceExpo? or even being trailed?

So far all the ATAGS version in Defence expo and trail videos have been Tata version.

BF version came with a Israeli autoloader.. I think DRDO decided to use the one on the Tata, a revolver style loader.

The only time, the BF version was publicly shown was during the Republic day. That was it.
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Pratyush wrote:
The domestic purchase of the equipment is not a prerequisite for the success of export. As long as the basic GSQR is met.
Very few systems are able to overcome this hurdle and achieve success without the vested interest of the primary operators in the host nation. Buyers generally like seeing that commitment and treat this as a sign of continued investment in improving the system.
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Here is something interesting. Pinaka guided being displayed by Solar Industries. It is obvious propellant is by them. What i am curious is if they are building the rocket themselves. OFB then places the warhead.

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Toast of 'Make in India' but production line for Vajra artillery guns to run dry this year

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 998114.cms
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Barath wrote:Toast of 'Make in India' but production line for Vajra artillery guns to run dry this year

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 998114.cms
Thing to note inspite of the so called Hallabullah over 26/11 US handed over M 109's to Pakis in 2009. SO much for Dosas.
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SO much for Dosas.
What's dosas ?
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L&T has done so well with the K9 Thunders. We should order more. And ask them what they can design indigenously.
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The Indian army has asked for a 100 of these guns. Whereas they have asked for 814 of the mounted guns.

The numbers of k9 orders could be increased but the army might need to rework where the guns will be employed.
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Barath wrote:
SO much for Dosas.
What's dosas ?
Dossiers shared with TSP post 26/11.
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The Indian Army’s K-9 Vajra-T Self-Propelled Howitzer: All You Need To Know
http://delhidefencereview.com/2020/02/0 ... d-to-know/
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MoD export clearance. The most interesting item is 155MM 52 cal barrel to Sweden. It is either BF or OFB. Wonder if it is for BAE.

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One more import in name of indigenous production with TOT from Israel :x

GCF to award production of ATHOS gun in collaboration with Israel

https://www.thehitavada.com/Encyc/2020/ ... srael.html
Gun Carriage Factory (GCF) Jabalpur will soon award production of towed artillery gun system ‘ATHOS 155 mm/52 calibre’ under the transfer of technology (ToT) agreement with Israel. The Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) has obtained order from Ministry of Defence for production of 1,180 Autonomous Towed Howitzer Ordnance System (ATHOS). Gun Carriage Factory, Joint General Manager and Spokesman Sanjay Shrivastava, while talking to ‘The Hitavada ‘, informed that the indigenous production of Autonomous Towed Howitzer Ordnance System (ATHOS) may be awarded to the GCF but any official confirmation is yet to be received in this regard.
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^^^

I would not be too concerned with this until the MOD actually signs on the dotted line. IIRC,this is the second time I am seeing reports of this particular gun being produced in India. Each time it is with a separate system integrator

Elbit-Bharat Forge to supply Athos 2052 155mm howitzers to Indian Army
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Indranil wrote:L&T has done so well with the K9 Thunders. We should order more. And ask them what they can design indigenously.
its a sin to left a line run dry when we are short of guns...a lot of the cost still remains home due to L&T so not sure why there is delay even with MOD
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Government should order more K9 and asked L&T to collaborate with Hanwha or to do in-house development to get something like GGAM (100+ Km).
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nash wrote:Government should order more K9 and asked L&T to collaborate with Hanwha or to do in-house development to get something like GGAM (100+ Km).
So the government should dictate the Army's arty planning? Just think this through mate..
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Indranil wrote:L&T has done so well with the K9 Thunders. We should order more. And ask them what they can design indigenously.
Indranil is there scope within the army to absorb more - based on the tasking and reqd TOE?
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ks_sachin wrote:
nash wrote:Government should order more K9 and asked L&T to collaborate with Hanwha or to do in-house development to get something like GGAM (100+ Km).
So the government should dictate the Army's arty planning? Just think this through mate..
sachin sir does the 100 K9 number look adequate to you?
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SP arty has a specific role and is with specific formations. If you look at the TOE of the IBGs and their tasking that should give U an idea.
Use of SP arty has to be seen in context and along with other parameters.
It may be a great gun but where else other than tank country will u deploy it?
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ks_sachin wrote:
nash wrote:Government should order more K9 and asked L&T to collaborate with Hanwha or to do in-house development to get something like GGAM (100+ Km).
So the government should dictate the Army's arty planning? Just think this through mate..
Current order of 100 will replace regiments of abbot, and correct me if I am wrong another 100+ is required to replace the regiments of M-46 catapult.
So requirement is there and production line is there , I don't understand what is there to dictate.
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ks_sachin wrote:
Indranil wrote:L&T has done so well with the K9 Thunders. We should order more. And ask them what they can design indigenously.
Indranil is there scope within the army to absorb more - based on the tasking and reqd TOE?
I don't know sir. I assumed 100 or so for a country as big as ours is a small number. I could be completely wrong.
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RohitVats - your expertise required here!!
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nam wrote:MoD export clearance. The most interesting item is 155MM 52 cal barrel to Sweden. It is either BF or OFB. Wonder if it is for BAE.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQbOlbwU4AM ... name=small
Probably BF to BAE (Bofors), Baba Kalyani did indicate this in an interview during DefExpo.
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nash wrote:
ks_sachin wrote: So the government should dictate the Army's arty planning? Just think this through mate..
Current order of 100 will replace regiments of abbot, and correct me if I am wrong another 100+ is required to replace the regiments of M-46 catapult.
So requirement is there and production line is there , I don't understand what is there to dictate.
I am not sure the Abbotts are operational. The 130mm definitely is. However the the k9 gives such a quantum leap in performance over the its predessors and taken with the other improvements in the REgt of Artillery TOE - I believe that the army believed that 100 of these were better than what they had previously.
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the total no. as per the below article limits the SPH to 200.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... t-arty.htm
In the artillery of the Indian Army, there is a noticeable bias in the direction of towed guns. The units operate several thousand cannons, howitzers and mortars of various models.
Thus, the Indian self-propelled artillery can be considered not only small, but also backward from similar weapons of neighboring states. To justify India, it must be said that regular attempts are being made to remedy this situation.
however, the point i have is that FARP is of 1999 vintage. Not sure if the planners had the two front threat and experience from Parakram. Given that there are delays on other fronts, I think that we should absorb K9 even if there is a screwdrivergiri in it.
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Indeed but how does K9 help in a two front war?
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no the overall no.s..it would help mount an offensive faster in desert areas...
jaisalmer bulge still has some buffer to threaten pakistan land centers..could be used in situations when we describe seriousness but not enough to wipe them forever
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