J&K Union Territory-2019

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 25 Feb 2020 19:00

It is because Delhi Police is under Fekriwal. Had Amit Shah been in charge these anti national ass h*les would have met their 72 sex starved mullahs by now.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 25 Feb 2020 20:34

Vips wrote:It is because Delhi Police is under Fekriwal. Had Amit Shah been in charge these anti national ass h*les would have met their 72 sex starved mullahs by now.

How is Delhi Police under Kejriwal? It very much is under Amit Shah, something that makes the inaction all the more galling.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 25 Feb 2020 20:48

Bart S wrote:
Vips wrote:It is because Delhi Police is under Fekriwal. Had Amit Shah been in charge these anti national ass h*les would have met their 72 sex starved mullahs by now.
How is Delhi Police under Kejriwal? It very much is under Amit Shah, something that makes the inaction all the more galling.

Bartji
Could it be a deliberate move!!
and also let the Hiz Honours to take the decisions so that no blame on the party??
Now that there is violence we have to:
1.Flag Marches
2.Wait for SC to give police to take appropriate action
3.Liberandus to run to SC again
The tamasha will go on but the sad part is :somebody lost their father/brother/uncle
And the family lost the person earning livelihood and children their parent!!
Idiots like Turdadeep talk of other things but not on the highlighted bit!!

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 25 Feb 2020 22:37

Bart S wrote:
Vips wrote:It is because Delhi Police is under Fekriwal. Had Amit Shah been in charge these anti national ass h*les would have met their 72 sex starved mullahs by now.
How is Delhi Police under Kejriwal? It very much is under Amit Shah, something that makes the inaction all the more galling.

But Delhi administration has to request anything more than simple police. They did not, so Krazywall is directly responsible. Today he did meet with AS and they will be using drones to watch disruptive activity.

Death toll is now 13, Delhi Ghaziabad border closed, CBSE exams in Delhi postponed.

TIME HAS COME TO DISMISS DELHI GOVERNMENT FOR ALLOWING PROTESTS AND KILLINGS.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 26 Feb 2020 04:40

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/jammu-a ... er-2184180
Domicile, Land Law For J&K Coming ''Very Soon'': Union Minister
He also announced that more than the promised jobs will be provided to the youth after the notification of the rules is worked out.
All IndiaPressTrust of India February 22, 2020
Jammu: In a bid to address the concerns of the local populace after the revoking of Jammu and Kashmir's special status last year, Union minister Jitendra Singh on Saturday assured the people of the Union Territory that the domicile law is coming "very soon" which would be followed by the Land Act.
He also announced that more than the promised jobs will be provided to the youth after the notification of the rules is worked out.
"The domicile act is coming very soon, which will be immediately followed by the Land Act," the minister of state in the Prime Minister's Office said.
Many parties have been demanding enactment of a domicile law for Jammu and Kashmir to protect the interests of landowners and the unemployed youth after the erstwhile state lost its special status following the nullification of Article 370 by the Centre.
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Gautam
Does this mean that non Kashmiris can not buy land and settle there?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Feb 2020 06:16

Is domicile law a way to bring the old Kashmiryat rules of denying Indians there place in Kashmir?

Domicile law is pernicious law and should not be introduced.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 26 Feb 2020 08:50

Mort Walker wrote:TIME HAS COME TO DISMISS DELHI GOVERNMENT FOR ALLOWING PROTESTS AND KILLINGS.

This is quite pointless given the mandate the Delhi government received just recently. Setting up an investigation into omission/commission by the government would be a better idea.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 26 Feb 2020 09:41

ramana wrote:Is domicile law a way to bring the old Kashmiryat rules of denying Indians there place in Kashmir?

Domicile law is pernicious law and should not be introduced.

Normally Domicile works based on the period of stay. If a person stays a period of years in a place he or she becomes local. I think the same may come to the J&K UT ( I love that word UT

)

As far as land laws are concerned buying of land in Hill states like Sikkim etc is also prohibited for outsider as on today. Same with Tribal lands in various states (including AP) In fact I think opening of land to outsiders immediately will only help BIF which holds huge landed properties in the UT ( I can not help it

) It may be therefore some modified form which is applicable to Hill states may come there. I do not anyway see BJP bringing Art 370 back in another form.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 26 Feb 2020 09:47

ramana wrote:Is domicile law a way to bring the old Kashmiryat rules of denying Indians there place in Kashmir?
Domicile law is pernicious law and should not be introduced.

Why is it that after acquiring US citizenship, I can settle anywhere in the US, and the same right is not given to Indian citizens? Changing demographics does not apply to any other nation, such as Israel, China, or Pakistan, but it applies to India.
Gautam

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 26 Feb 2020 10:02

It does not apply to most of the states. But India is not the US which killed most of the natives already. Even there you can not just walk in to a Indian reserves. Right?

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 26 Feb 2020 10:31

Yagnasri wrote:It does not apply to most of the states. But India is not the US which killed most of the natives already. Even there you can not just walk in to a Indian reserves. Right?

I get your point regarding reservations for American Indians, though the US has a history of kicking out American Indians from reservations, whenever it suited them. I am reminded about the book Catch 22, where the Indian Chief is kicked out and his land appropriated whenever oil was found in his land. These reservations today are fragmented due to sale of land to non-tribal populations. I can walk into any Indian reservation any time, though I may not be able to buy land there. But a powerful financial body can do just that. The policies of preventing Hindus from settling in lands that belonged to them for thousands of years has removed them entirely from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Kashmir. We can not do much about the first three, but Kashmir is still under Indian control. No one talks about not changing demographics in POK, where the Punjabi Muslim can settle with impunity. Laws that prevent Indians from settling in Indian lands should not apply in any state period. These laws are short sighted and contain seeds of fragmentation of India in future.
Gautam

wig · Post by **wig** » 26 Feb 2020 10:55

http://news.statetimes.in/delimitation- ... mmu-ankur/

Delimitation on basis of 2011 census a conspiracy to enslave Jammu: Ankur
extracts

Terming 2011 census conducted in J&K as fudged and a big fraud perpetrated on the nation, Ankur Sharma described it as an expression of Administrative Jihad launched by leaders of Demographic Jihad and warned the Union Government to refrain itself from converting Jammu & Kashmir once again into a domain of Muslim Hegemony by conducting delimitation on basis of fudged 2011 census.
“Delimitation on basis of fudged 2011 census figures would resurrect Kashmir’s Hegemony over everything in the State as was the case after 1951, when Nehru regime and Sheikh Abdullah joined hands to rig the Constituent Assembly Elections to establish Muslim rule and enslave Jammu and Ladakh by giving preponderant, unfair and disproportionate share of representation to tiny Kashmir. Ever since, New Delhi and Kashmiri Muslim leadership have been crushing legitimate socio-cultural and politico-economic aspirations of Jammu people through Kashmir-dominated legislature,” said Ankur Sharma.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 26 Feb 2020 11:14

What is so special about a state that rest of Indians are not allowed to buy property there ?
IMO, Any state that gets benefit of "Domicile" should be barred from owning property by its residents anywhere in India.
Why should rest of India be discriminated against while Omar Abdullah or Karan Singh get to buy property anywhere in India.

This whole narrative of outsiders v/s locals has come in recently otherwise Hindus have been moving around in India across centuries since time immemorial. Folklore says that a branch my ancestors moved out of Kashmir and thru Punjab landed up in Goa and some of them marched ahead and became Malayalis.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 26 Feb 2020 12:14

There is nothing special about J&K. Stop calling it a state first. It is just a UT.

First steps is the delimitation thing. Do it as properly as possible so that Momo domination ends or at least largely reduced.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 26 Feb 2020 15:28

Yagnasri wrote:There is nothing special about J&K. Stop calling it a state first. It is just a UT.

First steps is the delimitation thing. Do it as properly as possible so that Momo domination ends or at least largely reduced.

My rhetorical was more generic in nature and wasn't specific to J&K.
As far delimitation, Yes there is no other way.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 28 Feb 2020 11:29

https://twitter.com/DostKhan_Jammu/stat ... 4448148481

Prof Hari Om @DostKhan_Jammu

Breaking
Last Nail In Nehru Khan-Sheikh Legacy

37 More Central Laws Applied To JK {Last batch to bring J&K fully in compliance with the Indian constitution}

With This, JK Comes Under The Ambit Of All The 800 Central Laws

Earlier, @narendramodi Government Withdrew 153 Nasty JK Laws,
Incl The One That Entitled Muslims Of Pakistan To Resettle In Jammu

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 02 Mar 2020 12:26

Sardar Patel famously called the Indian Administrative Service (IAS) the “steel frame" of India's government machinery and he was wrong.

not much better in all other states.

the rusted steel framework in cashmere

The CBI has arrested IAS officers Itrit Hussain Rafiqui and Rajiv Ranjan on charges of illegally issuing bulk arms licenses during their posting as deputy commissioners in Kupawara, J&K between 2013-16.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 03 Mar 2020 20:44

https://twitter.com/Frontalfire/status/ ... 8776033281

Frontalfire @Frontalfire

Breaking: Big breakthrough as Father-Daughter duo identified as Tariq Ahmad Shah & Insha Tariq arrested by NIA from Lethpora in connection to Pulwama Terrorist attack.

shravanp · Post by **shravanp** » 03 Mar 2020 20:53

Yagnasri wrote:There is nothing special about J&K. Stop calling it a state first. It is just a UT.

First steps is the delimitation thing. Do it as properly as possible so that Momo domination ends or at least largely reduced.

Even before that, the impact from abuse of Roshni act needs to be accessed first. Was it a landgrab just by the affluent for their own usage or was it to displace / alter demographic equations of jammu? Delimitation might be ineffective if there has been previous regimes have dented these very plans if demographics have been altered.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Mar 2020 21:22

Illegals will be thrown out.
Delimitation is a must.
Abdullah-Mufti were running a Secular Jihad on Jammu by settling Rohingjyas and keeping out Indians under Kashmiriyat.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 04 Mar 2020 09:52

Another thing we may not see normally is where the Roginayas are settled. From what I understand they were given kachha housing/Juggi Jhopadi thing near cantonment areas in Jammu.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 04 Mar 2020 10:19

I guess J&K as UT move is just to ensure that GOI got to clean the field of the debris left behind by 70+ years of Kashmiriyat.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 07 Mar 2020 12:52

https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/statu ... 9479493639

Aditya Raj Kaul @AdityaRajKaul

JUST IN: Ministry of Law and Justice issues The Gazette if India notification setting up Delimitation Commission, headed by Justice (Retd.) Ranjana Prakash Desai for reconstitution of Assembly and Lok Sabha seats in Jammu & Kashmir, Assam, Arunachal Pradesh, Manipur and Nagaland.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 08 Mar 2020 23:09

Former PDP leader Altaf Bukhari launches 'Apni party'

What do BRF members think might be the new electoral landscape in J&K ? BJP versus this new party ? Do you think PDP and NC will be allowed again ? Seems impossible unless the "families" and the separatist/special status agendas are removed. Congis seem to be in the picture too.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 08 Mar 2020 23:15

http://risingkashmir.com/news/mha-exami ... hts-in-jk-

Some sketchy info about what the coming J&K Domicile law may look like. It does not seem like a return to 370 days but more in line with other states.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Mar 2020 22:46

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQeuNucK1ec

'Abrogating Article 370 will need 1000 people killed': Ex-Guv J-K quotes Chief Secy

Mar 11, 2020

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 15 Mar 2020 14:54

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... YPUPN.html
Four terrorists killed in encounter with security forces in Jammu and Kashmir’s Anantnag
Acting on a specific input, a team of security personnel from the Jammu and Kashmir Police, Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) and the Army cordoned off the area in the night. As the security forces zeroed in on the house, where the terrorists were holed up, the terrorists opened fire triggering the encounter.
INDIA Updated: Mar 15, 2020.
Indo-Asian News Service, Srinagar
Four unidentified terrorists were killed in a shootout with security forces on Sunday morning in Jammu and Kashmir’s Anantnag district, a CRPF official said.
The encounter took place in the Dayalgam residential area around 10.40 a.m.
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Gautam

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 24 Mar 2020 16:31

https://theprint.in/opinion/in-farooq-a ... cs/384208/
In Farooq Abdullah’s silence, lies his acceptance of new realities of Kashmir’s politics
Farooq Abdullah, who was released last week, has chosen to remain silent on Article 370, indicating an acceptance of the new political realities in J&K.
SESHADRI CHARI 20 March, 2020.
Going by the low key celebrations in Kashmir after Farooq Abdullah’s release from 8-month detention, the old war horse of J&K would have learned a thing or two about the changed ground realities. The Abdullah and the Mufti clans should learn to read the writing on the wall. Although, their parties, National Conference (NC) and the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), have limited options now, in it lies a great opportunity to revive their fortunes if they are able to integrate their views with the national mainstream. Farooq Abdullah understands the change, and has refused to comment on the political situation until all other detainees are released. He has also expressed his wish to attend the Parliament of which he is a member.
J&K has accepted new realities After the dilution of Article 370, much to the disappointment of the Abdullah family, the people of the Union territory decided to accept the changes, rather than prepare for a long-drawn battle. The change in the status was explained by the Narendra Modi government as a necessity to maintain law and order, and keep a close watch on the emerging situation so that external forces do not take advantage of it.
Politics in J&K cannot be and is no longer the exclusive preserve of the Abdullah clan. From the time Sheikh Abdullah became member of the Constituent Assembly in 1946 to when his grandson became the chief minister, the family has ruled over J&K for nearly four decades. It was the opinion of this family and that of the Muftis that guided the fortunes of the erstwhile state since Independence.
Despite the members of these two families getting plum posts in the state and the Union governments, their views on converting the temporary provision of Article 370 to a permanent feature or distancing themselves from the centre, especially when they are not in power are common knowledge. This is one reason why the family’s incarceration evoked very little or no protest. According to the Union Minister of State for Home G. Kishan Reddy, no major terror incident has taken place since the dilution of Article 370 and J&K has reported only 79 incidents, comparatively very low.
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Gautam

RKumar · Post by **RKumar** » 24 Mar 2020 18:54

GoI must not give special rights to JK, all people in India should have the same rights to live, work, and earn. If people from JK can buy property, join colleges, and have job anywhere in India than why people from other states can’t buy property, secure admission in colleges and apply for private n government jobs?

If still GoI thinks to give special rights to JK than people from JK must not be able to enjoy these privileges outside their state. It must be give n take, not only take n take.

Don’t create a new monster just because you have killed an existing monster.

sanjayc · Post by **sanjayc** » 24 Mar 2020 22:19

Agree -- these privileges must always be reciprocal

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 24 Mar 2020 23:36

https://www.rediff.com/news/report/omar ... 200324.htm
Omar Abdullah freed after eight-month detention, PSA revoked
Source: PTI - Edited By: Roshneesh Kmaneck, March 24, 2020
Former Jammu and Kashmir chief minister Omar Abdullah was on Tuesday freed after eight months in detention after the administration revoked the stringent Public Safety Act against him.
The National Conference leader, who turned 50 on March 10, has been under detention since August 5, when the Centre announced the revocation of Jammu and Kashmir's special status under Article 370 and its bifurcation into the union territories of Jammu and Kashmir, and Ladakh.
The order revoking the PSA against him was issued by Home Secretary Shaleen Kabra. Abdullah was booked under the stringent act on February 5, hours before his six-month custody under preventive detention was to end.
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Gautam

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 25 Mar 2020 10:20

First they have to do is to transfer the staff of the UT to other UTs immediately and transfer staff from other UTs to J&K. No special rights of any kinds shall be given. Not even the kind given to other Hill States. The people of other Hill states are very loyal to the nation and give special rights to protect their identity and culture. That is not the case with J&K.

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 25 Mar 2020 17:35

The entitled bunch have started demanding restoration of statehood to Kashmir. They want this to be done pronto as they want to gain control of the state finances to start the looting and also control the home ministry to enable the militants/separatists and havala operators which has been brought under control due to UT status.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 25 Mar 2020 22:57

Statehood is not going to happen anytime soon. Just promose of doing it in future.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 28 Mar 2020 03:17

https://www.defenceaviationpost.com/202 ... 6fJKttEonE
While world battles coronavirus, Pakistan busy violating ceasefire in Jammu and Kashmir
Pakistan violated the ceasefire agreement yet again on Thursday while the rest of the world is busy battling the deadly coronavirus contagion. Indian troops said they retaliated to Pakistani firing at the Line of Control in north Kashmir’s Uri sector on Thursday afternoon.
Locals said the firing went on for a couple of hours in the afternoon and damaged a house which was hit by a shell fired by the Pakistani side, however, no loss of life was reported.
The Indian Army blamed Pakistan for the ceasefire violation and said the Indian forces manning the LoC retaliated to Pakistani firing.
The locals claimed that several mortar shells landed in the villages of Mothal, Silikote, Hatlthanga and Churunda, all located on the zero line.
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Gautam

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 29 Mar 2020 06:58

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Mollick.R · Post by **Mollick.R** » 01 Apr 2020 14:03

Amit Shah reworks Kashmir’s domicile law, includes residents for 15 yrs
INDIA Updated: Apr 01, 2020 13:27 IST

Home Minister Amit Shah had assured a delegation of Kashmiri leaders last month that the apprehensions about the union territory’s demographic changes were baseless

Nearly eight months after the Centre scrapped Jammu and Kashmir’s special status, the government has redefined domicile rules for the union territory and ordered that only people who fulfill this criteria are eligible to be appointed to junior posts in the bureaucracy and the constabulary.

The new domicile condition in the recruitment law is designed to address concerns that the union territory status for Jammu and Kashmir would lead to demographic changes since people from any part of the country could apply for jobs and settle in J&K.

Before Parliament scrapped Article 370, only people considered permanent residents of the erstwhile state could get jobs in the state government. When a delegation of Kashmiri politicians met Home Minister Amit Shah last month, he had assured them that the Centre did not intend to carry out demographic changes in the union territory.

Shah had also promised that the new domicile rule for J&K would be better than any other state.

The domicile rule would apply for recruitment to all posts that come with a basic salary of Rs 25,500.

According to Tuesday evening’s notification by the home ministry, any person who has stayed in J&K for 15 years or has studied for a period of seven years and appeared in Class 10th/12th examination will be deemed as domicile.

The government order said children of central government officials, All India Services, officials of Public Sector Undertakings and autonomous bodies of central government, public sector banks, officials of statutory bodies, officials of central universities and recognized research institutes of central government who have served in Jammu and Kashmir for a total period of 10 years will also be considered to be domiciled in the union territory.

Children of residents of Union territory of Jammu and Kashmir who reside outside the union territory in connection with their employment, business or other professional or vocational reasons will also be treated to be domiciled in the UT if their parents fulfil the eligibility criteria to get a domicile certificate.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... DYynL.html

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 01 Apr 2020 17:35

Brat starts rona-dhona as his entitled right to lord over will be diluted through this law.

National conference leader Omar Abdullah on Monday denounced the Centre’s move to rework the domicile laws in the union territory of Jammu and Kashmir at a time when the nation is pooling all resources to stave off the coronavirus pandemic.

The leader, who was until recently in detention, questioned the timing of the move as the entire nation is under lockdown to halt the spread of the Sars-Cov-2, the virus that causes Covid-19. He called the law “hollow” and said it does not offer the protections that it had promised.

According to the change in laws, anyone who has resided for 15 years in Jammu and Kashmir or has studied for seven years and appeared in Class 10 and Class 12 examinations in an educational institution located in the union territory is a domicile. Also, those registered as a migrant by the Relief and Rehabilitation Commissioner (Migrants) will also be deemed to be a domicile.

“Talk about suspect timing. At a time when all our efforts & attention should be focused on the #COVID outbreak the government slips in a new domicile law for J&K. Insult is heaped on injury when we see the law offers none of the protections that had been promised,” tweeted the former chief minister.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 01 Apr 2020 18:24

Vips wrote:Brat starts rona-dhona as his entitled right to lord over will be diluted through this law.

He has absolutely no rights to "lord over" anymore, so the question of dilution does not arise.

A simple 15 years residence requirement (or 7 years study and 10/12 exams) means quite a lot of kashmiri hindus will now be eligible to return to the UT and work there if they wanna. I am guessing that recruitment will naturally favor them because they have been doing useful things in the meantime unlike the stone-pelting peacefools.

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 01 Apr 2020 18:27

I should have phrased it as : Brat starts rona-dhona as he thinks his entitled right to lord over will be diluted through this law.

Brat and others of his ilk know that they can only come to power through rigged elections where peacefools are a majority. Any law that allows Hindus/Buddhists and others to regain their old/new domicile or even in many many cases get their rightful domicile which was denied earlier is one more nail in their coffin.