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https://www.sify.com/news/4-terrorists- ... fbbbj.html
4 terrorists killed in Kashmir encounter
Author : IANS, Apr 22nd, 2020
Srinagar, April 22 (IANS) Four terrorists were killed in an encounter with security forces at Shopian in South Kashmir on Wednesday, officials said.
"All four terrorists killed in the ongoing operation at Melhura, Shopian," police said in a statement.
Sources said the identity of the killed terrorists was being ascertained.
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Bart S wrote:
Cain Marko wrote: Agree with the rest.

I wonder if this is the bif plan... Internal chaos via organized violence since GOI has pretty nicely squelched terrorist attacks for the most part since 2014 ish.
Very much so. In fact the Pakis have been orchestrating the Shaheen Bagh stuff with on the ground support from their leftist allies, and using social media to radicalize people, spreading videos instigating people not to cooperate with COVID medical teams etc. Most of these Indian Muslim sounding handles are actually Pakis. After the changes in J&K they have moved on to this as they can't do much there.
why do we consisently shy away from imposing detrimental costs on the abduls.

prithvi raj is reborn almost every week to keep the gates open and the pakis are counting on this.
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chetak wrote:
Bart S wrote:
Very much so. In fact the Pakis have been orchestrating the Shaheen Bagh stuff with on the ground support from their leftist allies, and using social media to radicalize people, spreading videos instigating people not to cooperate with COVID medical teams etc. Most of these Indian Muslim sounding handles are actually Pakis. After the changes in J&K they have moved on to this as they can't do much there.
why do we consisently shy away from imposing detrimental costs on the abduls.

prithvi raj is reborn almost every week to keep the gates open and the pakis are counting on this.
Chetakji,
Don't we have the results of the elections : https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... MQtglukXUm
lOOK at the numbers of the people voting for Muslim League which argued for partition!!
How many of them who voted really did migrate to Pakistan!!
And then you have the peacefuls in the princely states who did not participate but the who do U reckon they would have voted for?
Yet when guys like guys Owiais say that 'they opted to stay in India' the gullibles just nod and agree!!!
Those who did not have money or means were left behind!! to carryon the 'Ghazwa-e-behind' and 'Wajibul-Cutlet'
Those who really opted to stay back were a miniscule and then there were those who cursed Nehrooo for doubling crossing them and let them to face the wolves like the 'Frontier Gandhi'
We have been dhimmified for long and yet not ready to face the reality!!
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Rsatchi wrote:
chetak wrote:
why do we consisently shy away from imposing detrimental costs on the abduls.

prithvi raj is reborn almost every week to keep the gates open and the pakis are counting on this.
Chetakji,
Don't we have the results of the elections : https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... MQtglukXUm
lOOK at the numbers of the people voting for Muslim League which argued for partition!!
How many of them who voted really did migrate to Pakistan!!
And then you have the peacefuls in the princely states who did not participate but the who do U reckon they would have voted for?
Yet when guys like guys Owiais say that 'they opted to stay in India' the gullibles just nod and agree!!!
Those who did not have money or means were left behind!! to carryon the 'Ghazwa-e-behind' and 'Wajibul-Cutlet'
Those who really opted to stay back were a miniscule and then there were those who cursed Nehrooo for doubling crossing them and let them to face the wolves like the 'Frontier Gandhi'
We have been dhimmified for long and yet not ready to face the reality!!
Well said. Jamat e Islami had huge influence and were against partition. People seem to forget is the reason for this. Jamaats mission to the bring the entire world under Islamic rule. They do not want to leave any place they mange to get a toe in. A united India/Pakistan would have been a huge problem for the non-muslim. Thank god for Jinna and his partician. Imagine the kind of problems India would have to face.

For the sake of all people India needs to make a decision. Either change the demographics in K to reflect the rest of India or simply leave K. I really do not see what is wrong with changing the demographics of K. The people of the vally did just that to all non Muslims. That too when they were in massive majority. Most in the vally were happy to see Non Muslims leave. No one tried to stop the ethnic cleansing of non muslims.
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I read somewhere that I think Sukarno (Indonesian PM) told Jinnah that partition was a bad idea as without it he could have ruled the whole of India instead of a moth eaten Pakistan.
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J&K cops stop handing over bodies of slain terrorists to family members due to Covid-19
SRINAGAR: Breaking the tradition of handing over the bodies of local terrorists killed in encounters to their family members, J&K police have started burying such bodies at different designated graveyards in remote areas of central Kashmir and not in their native villages to avoid public gathering during the lockdown imposed to contain the spread of Covid-19. Such burials are, however, taking place in the presence of the family members of the slain terrorists and the district magistrate concerned.
Four such burials took place on Thursday at designated graveyards in central Kashmir. The four local terrorists were killed in an encounter with security forces in south Kashmir’s Shopian district on Wednesday. They were identified as Basharat Shah, Wakeel Dar, Tariq Bhat and Uzair Bhat of Ansar Gazwat-ul-Hind, an affiliate of Al-Qaeda in Kashmir. Police hit upon the idea of such burials after hundreds of people joined the funeral of a slain terrorist in Sopore on April 8.
Inspector-General of Police, Kashmir, Vijay Kumar confirmed that the four slain terrorists were not buried at their native places. “Families identified three out of the four terrorists and participated in burials in the presence of a magistrate,” he said.
This is for the first time in the three-decade-old armed insurgency in Kashmir that bodies of local terrorists are not being handed over to their families for the last rites, official sources said.
In connection with the April 8 funeral of the terrorist in Sopore, police had registered an FIR against the family members and later arrested over a dozen people for allegedly participating in the procession in violation of lockdown protocol.
Till April 8, J&K police used to hand over bodies of local terrorists to their families for last rites, while those of unidentified and Pakistani terrorists were buried in a few designated graveyards in remote areas of Baramulla and Kupwara districts
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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/p ... 2020-04-25
Kashmir: 2 terrorists killed in Pulwama encounter
Two terrorists and an associate have been killed in an encounter in Awantipora, located in Jammu and Kashmir's Pulwama district. This operation comes days after one in South Kashmir, in which four terrorists from the Ansar Ghazwat-ul-Hind group were killed.
Shuja-ul-Haq ,Srinagar, April 25, 2020

Two terrorists and an associate have been killed in an encounter that began on Saturday morning in Awantipora, a city in Jammu and Kashmir's Pulwama district.
As of this writing, a search operation was still ongoing.
The encounter in Awantipora's Goripora area comes close of the heels of one in South Kashmir's Shopian district on Wednesday, in which four terrorists from the Ansar Ghazwat-ul-Hind group were killed.
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https://www.rediff.com/news/report/two- ... 200425.htm
2 terrorists killed after abducting constable in Kulgam
Source: PTI - Edited By: Utkarsh Mishra, April 25, 2020

Two terrorists were killed in a brief encounter with security forces in Jammu and Kashmir's Kulgam district on Friday, hours after the duo abducted a constable, police said.
The terrorists opened fire at a patrolling party of the Army in the Frisal area of Kulgam, in south Kashmir, in the evening, they said.
The forces retaliated and the two terrorists were killed, a police official said.
Their identity and affiliation are being ascertained, he added. The official said the incident took place near the Shirpora area in Kulgam from where Constable Sartaj Ahmad Itoo was abducted earlier.
Itoo and another person, identified as Imran Ahmad, were injured in the exchange of fire, he said, adding that both were rushed to a hospital in Anantnag. Constable Itoo of Railway Police Srinagar was abducted from his home. It was the second such incident of abduction of a policeman in the Valley in as many days. On Thursday night, Constable Javaid Jabbar was abducted by terrorists in Shopian district. He was, however, set free hours later.
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[quote="Ashokk"]J&K cops stop handing over bodies of slain terrorists to family members due to Covid-19
[quote]

Long overdue. I hope if they are killed at the hands of the army, in remote areas, they simply get cremated.
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Ola is running out of 72 stock due to evil IA and other forces activities in the last day or so. Soon there will be rationing or no stock board.
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Deans wrote:
Long overdue. I hope if they are killed at the hands of the army, in remote areas, they simply get cremated.
Well it's a start. If you read the article it states that the bodies are buried in the presence of family members. I hope that the location and route to the spot is kept a secret.
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Yagnasri wrote:Ola is running out of 72 stock due to evil IA and other forces activities in the last day or so. Soon there will be rationing or no stock board.
I didn't get it ?
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Deans wrote: I didn't get it ?
Saar, it's simple. "Ola" sounds like which God?

Substitute the said god's name for "Ola", and everything becomes clear.
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https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/h ... a7p2M.html

Note the use of 'activist' instead of terrorist or OGW.
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Manish_P wrote:
Deans wrote: Long overdue. I hope if they are killed at the hands of the army, in remote areas, they simply get cremated.
Well it's a start. If you read the article it states that the bodies are buried in the presence of family members. I hope that the location and route to the spot is kept a secret.
They will have to stop releasing the names of the killed terrorists if they identify them as locals. If the names are released then the families are entitled to the body as per law. Better to cremate them in the forest somewhere and claim that the dead terrorists were unidentified and probably from Pak. More difficult to do for those killed while hiding in urban areas since everyone in the area will know who it was who got killed. We need a new law ideally where the bodies of terrorists killed in encounters with the Army become state property.
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nachiket wrote: They will have to stop releasing the names of the killed terrorists if they identify them as locals. If the names are released then the families are entitled to the body as per law. Better to cremate them in the forest somewhere and claim that the dead terrorists were unidentified and probably from Pak. More difficult to do for those killed while hiding in urban areas since everyone in the area will know who it was who got killed. We need a new law ideally where the bodies of terrorists killed in encounters with the Army become state property.
yes, send your kid into some terrorist organization, don't be surprised if they "disappear". Once people start disappearing with no closure, this will stop.
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khan wrote:
nachiket wrote: They will have to stop releasing the names of the killed terrorists if they identify them as locals. If the names are released then the families are entitled to the body as per law. Better to cremate them in the forest somewhere and claim that the dead terrorists were unidentified and probably from Pak. More difficult to do for those killed while hiding in urban areas since everyone in the area will know who it was who got killed. We need a new law ideally where the bodies of terrorists killed in encounters with the Army become state property.
yes, send your kid into some terrorist organization, don't be surprised if they "disappear". Once people start disappearing with no closure, this will stop.

the names of the local terrorists in the encounter as also the foreign terrorists/ jehadis are known almost immediately because there is a well oiled network of stone throwing locals with women and kids in the forefront hell bent on facilitating the escape of these dregs of humanity.

all these guys carry cell phones and a few text messages are possibly what is required for the over ground workers to rouse and gather the locals to impede and disrupt the Army operations so that the jehadis escape in the ensuing confusion.
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chetak wrote:
the names of the local terrorists in the encounter as also the foreign terrorists/ jehadis are known almost immediately because there is a well oiled network of stone throwing locals with women and kids in the forefront hell bent on facilitating the escape of these dregs of humanity.

all these guys carry cell phones and a few text messages are possibly what is required for the over ground workers to rouse and gather the locals to impede and disrupt the Army operations so that the jehadis escape in the ensuing confusion.
This will have to be calibrated. For encounters in urban areas - sure I can see that happening. For encounters on the LOC & in forests or more remote areas, I don’t see why they don’t do this.

Maybe adopt a policy of leaving the body in a morgue for a week, without advertising the identity (or existence of the body) & if no one claims the body, then cremation.
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khan wrote:
nachiket wrote: They will have to stop releasing the names of the killed terrorists if they identify them as locals. If the names are released then the families are entitled to the body as per law. Better to cremate them in the forest somewhere and claim that the dead terrorists were unidentified and probably from Pak. More difficult to do for those killed while hiding in urban areas since everyone in the area will know who it was who got killed. We need a new law ideally where the bodies of terrorists killed in encounters with the Army become state property.
yes, send your kid into some terrorist organization, don't be surprised if they "disappear". Once people start disappearing with no closure, this will stop.
Yes, its a good tactic - can be part of an unwritten SOP. The worst thing for a family is not knowing if the kid is alive or dead.
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Deans wrote:
khan wrote: yes, send your kid into some terrorist organization, don't be surprised if they "disappear". Once people start disappearing with no closure, this will stop.
Yes, its a good tactic - can be part of an unwritten SOP. The worst thing for a family is not knowing if the kid is alive or dead.
there is either some sort of pension arrangement or a lumpsum payoff by jehadi organisations for those terrorists killed in cashmere.

missing, whereabouts not known, will mess big time with such non state actors and their families
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Good, if it creates mistrust between the handlers and the families of the pawns.

The handlers will not know for certain if they are not being cheated for free payouts.
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Such pensions or gratuity can certainly be seized under terror financing laws.
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Counter terror ops in J-K increase in lockdown
Out of 60 terrorists killed so far this year, 46% (28) were in April. The last time the Jammu and Kashmir police, army and the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) eliminated so many terrorists in a month was in May 2019 (28).
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Just posting a BIF article from the WP, just so we understand the enemy, and in this case its some Kashmiri Muslim yearning for his 'azaadi' to join TSP.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... n-kashmir/

Now to understand the enemy, let me point out some choice quotes. First, apparently, India is using the corona virus crisis to crackdown. And how does it do it?

By initiating gunfights with guerrilla fighters ...
And furthermore

In early April, the Indian army hauled artillery guns into villages along the border with Pakistan after five soldiers were killed in an attack by guerrilla fighters. The terrified villagers watched from their homes the bombardment of positions across the border in Pakistan. The Pakistani army fired back and in the attacks at least eight people were killed, including children on both sides of the border.
So as per Jihadi logic published in the WP, India is fault for avenging the killing of its soldiers by Paki pigLeTs, and it is because of this that this Jihadis's kith and kin are suffering. Meaning, India must just be a good boy, and do the following

The bloodshed only brought home the high human cost of India’s refusal to begin a process of negotiation with Pakistan and the people of Kashmir for the eventual resolution of the dispute.
Meaning as I started above, India find some way of handing over valley to TSP on a silver platter so this Jihadi can live happily ever after.
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Gerard wrote:Such pensions or gratuity can certainly be seized under terror financing laws.
some unidentified random joker hands over some cash wrapped in old newspaper to some family member.

difficult to track and trace.
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https://m.rediff.com/news/report/five-s ... 200502.htm

Five security forces personnel, including two officers, went missing during an anti-militancy operation in Kupwara district of Jammu and Kashmir on Saturday, even as two unidentified terrorists were killed in another encounter in Pulwama, officials said.
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Reports are that all five officers safely extracted from the building. Let's wait for official announcement by the army. Presstitutes should not be speculating on an ongoing operation with fake news from local park pasand Kashmiris.
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Schinnas, some reports say a lot of our guys including col and major killed. Be that as it may,not sure what is going on in the valley. No doubt TSP wants to keep up the pressure on India hoping that we will buckle and announce p!ss talks like many times before. I thought post 370, we will have a better handle on the pigLeT situation, but we still seem to be losing quite a few of our guys for a few disposable pigLeTs while TSPA is safely ensconced and orchestrating this evil. Sad.
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CRamS wrote:Schinnas, some reports say a lot of our guys including col and major killed. Be that as it may,not sure what is going on in the valley. No doubt TSP wants to keep up the pressure on India hoping that we will buckle and announce p!ss talks like many times before. I thought post 370, we will have a better handle on the pigLeT situation, but we still seem to be losing quite a few of our guys for a few disposable pigLeTs while TSPA is safely ensconced and orchestrating this evil. Sad.
My understanding is post 370, we are doing better in terms of :
- Militants killed (higher)
- Civilians killed (lower)
- Security forces (same - so better ratio of terrorists: security forces - notwithstanding the accident that claimed our Para-SF and the current incident)
- No of active terrorists in valley (lower)
- Pak army killed across the border (higher)

For a true comparison we will have to wait till August, when we complete a year after 370 and the summer (infiltration) season is deal with.
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The one thing in our favor post 370 was the FATF sword hanging over TSP’s neck. But with white boys pre occupied with COVID, and TSP’s sugar daddy China recovered, TSP probably feels its a good time to resume pigLeT attacks. Note there is no significant military strategy to TSP’ pigLeT gambit. It is just designed to keep up pressure and embarrass us by taking out our guys for a pittance of a cost to them. Need to see what our counter strategy will be other than defensive status quo
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Entire team including a colonel and a major is lost. Bhagwan veeron ki atman ko shanti de!

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 513814.cms

Pakistanis and their Kashmiri rent boys must pay a horrendous price. Ill settle for Bajwa's children being made orphans and his wife a whore.
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Brahma Chellaney on the encounter

https://twitter.com/Chellaney/status/12 ... 86754?s=20

"Pakistan army uses helicopter gunships to kill "bad" terrorists but sends "good" terrorists for cross-border operations in India. This is just the latest example of how India pays a heavy price by refusing to use air assets to take out terrorist hideouts".
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My prayers to the families and salute to the martyrs. I hope this results in modification of rules of engagement and procedures so that very senior officers are not lost to such trivial traps. This is just unacceptable and Pakistan should pay the price at a much higher level. 50 of their officers / SSG needs to be taken out.
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We will continue to pay such a disproportionally high price unless we start using helis/drones. Each one of those houses where the residents claim they are taken hostage by terrorists is a trap, there is very little point in trying to save them. Give warnings, wait and then take out the whole structure else we will keep seeing news like this. Pakistan is desperate, they have begun a multi-prong war against India from infowar (the kind we saw recently of targeting Indians living in Gulf countries), funding riots and protests across India and pushing more and more terrorists into India hoping for a short skirmish where they lay a trap for our military to walk into. We need a whole new thinking and approach to counter this and i'm afraid we don't have a lot of time.
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Top leadership of the country is squarely responsible for the stupid restrictions leading to unnecessary deaths of security personnel. Everybody wants to be a Mahatma in this country, sacrificing others' lives.
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Bharat,

Lets not enter the realm of operations. Lets leave that to the army and commanders. I understand what Brahma Chellaney is saying, but then again, if there was merit in that, pretty sure Indian forces will consider. I think we make too much of this canard that unless Indian govt says so, Indian army cannot act. At least not under this govt. There is complete trust in the militray to take their tacical decisions. This was just a targic loss, and lets leave it at that, and hope our guys extract revenge. In fact, this exactly how Ata Hasnain rebuked one dork

https://twitter.com/atahasnain53/status ... 2431954944

This was a tragic loss, Pakis are celebrating and so are KMs.

Once again I am only speculating, but it seems to me that other than routine infiltration of the pigLeTs to undertake some major attack sometime later, I am not seeing any spectacular gamplean on this particular infiltration. Why do I say this, once again Ata Hasnanin provides a clue on the operational procedure

https://www.rediff.com/news/column/kash ... 200503.htm

So that brings me to the crux of the matter. It seems to me that post 370, while Pakis were somewhat silent on the pigLeT front, thx to FATF, now they have decided to resume normal operations. So my hunch is that we will see a bloody summer.

So 370 or no 370, in terms of terror, nothing has changed. There is a huge civilian Jihadi enterprise in the valley that aid and abets Pakis. And this has been so for decades.

Furthermore, while Pakis continue with their low cost (or zero cost) pigLeT attack strategy, simultaneously they also work on our internal fissures.
I was shocked to see so many Indian traitors including Congoons go on that ISI b@stard Ejaz Haider's show Indus online and berate BJP. I mean think about it. Then they have their celebrities given space on our media to look 'normal'. And of course, the colonial scoundrels do this equal equal thingy.

How the f!ck can India wage an effective battle with TSP's evil when India has so many internal traitors and bigots, when they cannot see the evil that TSP, and instead chose to lynch their own as a show of 'secularism'?
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5 ordinary terrorists killed but 5 special forces soldiers lost
1 random terrorist killed but one colonel and one major dead

.... we have been caught off guard totally.. given umrikan withdrawal things will only get hotter..

Given the fall of Oil, global Backlash against China, UK in tailspin; Pakistan is economically at its weakest given the weaknesses of its father .. UK and benefactors Saudi, China.

There shall always be traitors. Question is what we should do: If I were PM of India - I shall ask any firm that wants to do business in India, to chose between India and Pakistan.,, NaPakistan shall be at its knees in weeks... Otherwise we just aren't serious.
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schinnas wrote:My prayers to the families and salute to the martyrs. I hope this results in modification of rules of engagement and procedures so that very senior officers are not lost to such trivial traps. This is just unacceptable and Pakistan should pay the price at a much higher level. 50 of their officers / SSG needs to be taken out.
Same story different year. I have been hearing about these "modification of procedures" since the 90's and seems nothing has changed or it might be the case of more the things change the more they stay the same. I have no idea how IA has the appetite to lose so many officers and jawans in these ops. It all seems so futile even to say or express the sentiment that "my prayers are with the martyr's families".
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Re: J&K Union Territory-2019

Post by CRamS »

Rishi_Tri wrote: There shall always be traitors. Question is what we should do: If I were PM of India - I shall ask any firm that wants to do business in India, to chose between India and Pakistan.,, NaPakistan shall be at its knees in weeks... Otherwise we just aren't serious.
Is there a systematic analysis of this? In other words, are there firms that do business both in India and TSP? If so whats the volume of business in India? Can India live without that if the said firm says OK, we will pull out?

Also, the other angle is on the diplomatic front. Again, not sure or how feasible, but take a tough stance on white countries and Japan aiding TSP. Take tough stance on FATF. Its not enough for TSP to arrest a few Qeeda vermin, addressing terror against India is equally important.

I know its easy to pontificate, but India must have some leverage to use, or else its like Pakis begging for kirket with India and then when India declines, they declare victory by proclaiming "we can live without playing India" :-).
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