2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 23 Apr 2020 17:07

Pakis got one info to give perhaps which is Chinese testing virus vaccine. Otherwise why would TFTA pukis need to be injected with anti virus medicine in pakilands.

Why otherwise compete with pukes and dragged into mud fights.

About strategy pakis may have notice Iran next door putting satellite into space so now Pakistan gotta pretend as well wishers of shia and claim that all problems lie elsewhere in neighborhood but not in Afghanistan.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 23 Apr 2020 18:55

Rahul M wrote:I say this again, Palghar investigation should be taken over by NIA.

Agree completely. This was definitely an act of terrorism directed against one community.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 23 Apr 2020 18:58

Wait for some time on this.

dinesh_kimar · Post by **dinesh_kimar** » 23 Apr 2020 19:08

Palghar - not a single peep from the 105 MLAs of the BJP, no court case/ affidavit filed.

Only Swami has filed a case, written letter to Uddhav, forcing him to do some cosmetic actions.

And people claiming that Swami is BJP don't cut it, he filed cases inspite of the BJP.

Such are the mysterious workings of the BJP!!

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 23 Apr 2020 19:27

https://twitter.com/odysseuslahori/stat ... 3319675905

Question: what do you say to a Joiya Rajput, a very dear friend, when he tells you that his ancestors came from Arabia with the armies of MbQ? Meaning he is a Rajput and also an Arab? Or are Arabs Rajputs?
@SikanderFayyaz

His nephew, also a Joiya, got his done. 98 percent Indian. I couldn't stop laughing.
Also another Arain claimant to Arab tested negative for arabona (variant of corona). His dad was livid when I told him we Arains were 100% Indian. He insisted our ancestors came from arabia.

It is only because of the inferiority complex stemming from giving up the religion of forefathers that every convert to Islam in the subcontinent has invented an illegitimate father for himself who came from Arabia. Be proud of what you are and arabona virus can never effect you

dinesh_kimar · Post by **dinesh_kimar** » 23 Apr 2020 21:15

The cops have allegedly caught one Nehru, the leader of gang who killed the Sadhus.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 23 Apr 2020 22:07

dinesh_kimar wrote:Palghar - not a single peep from the 105 MLAs of the BJP, no court case/ affidavit filed.

Don't know if the MH Assembly is in session so that the MLAs can raise the issue there. But yes, I agree BJP has been silent on this issue. Looks like they too are becoming opportunities who latch on to issues when they see some political benefit. Just like the Kerala BJP leader who opined that the Sabari Mala temple fiasco is a golden opportunity (to play politics).

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 23 Apr 2020 22:26

Chayan Chatterjee@Satyanewshi
#AskSoniaGandhi This is a 1965 picture of 2nd divison football player Franco Louison with his girlfriend. She was a waitress in a restaurant in Cambridge. Guess who is the lady. She is Antonia Maino. A.k.a. Sonia Gandhi.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 23 Apr 2020 22:31

How deeply Christian & islamist imperialist forces conspire :

Some Liberals Are Warming Up To The Idea Of ‘Hindu Rashtra’ Over Nehruvian Secularism, What’s The Catch?

by Yaajnaseni
Apr 22, 2020, 6:41 pm

An article in the Indian Express, written by the Vice-Chancellor of NALSAR University, Hyderabad, Faizan Mustafa states that the Indian “minorities are too fed up of the facade of secularism”.

Mustafa argues that if Indians are done with the Nehruvian model of secularism (without pointing out its flaws), they should declare the country a Hindu rashtra, giving Hinduism the status of the dominant spiritual heritage.

He is right in saying that “the Hindu rashtra will not be entirely different from the current secular state”, because it is not in Hinduism’s character to do what Pakistan or other Islamic countries do to religious minorities.

One, it’s an ultimatum to intellectuals to work hard to save the Left-Islamist marriage

The proposal is a warning to the Left compatriots that unless they get a grip of the narrative and strike the enemy harder, the regressive Left-Islamist marriage is in trouble.

It signals that the Muslims intellectuals are keeping the option open, instead, to negotiate with more benign right-wing elements.

Two, it is a veiled threat— imperial forces are too powerful to be pushed out of the game

The message is that we can change things on paper as much as we want, but the functioning of the Christian and Islamic imperial structures in India will remain intact.

The reason simply is that they already function with minimal dependence on other communities or indigenous political, social and economic structures. In a globalised world, they hold an organisational, political and financial clout that the Hindus can hardly match.

It is important to recognise that these imperial forces have a utilitarian approach towards the Left.

Indian Left exists thanks to the the alliance with imperial forces, not the other way around.

Left is quite expendable for the imperialists. Its only utility comes from the hegemony in the intellectual ecosystem.

If that comes under threat, the imperial forces can also directly negotiate with the non-Left forces to come to a new arrangement where they are, as before, left alone to work, just, say, at a higher price.

Even the political parties vilified as “saffron” have shown eagerness to maintain a ‘functioning’ partnership with the Christian and Islamic supremacist forces.

The tallest Christian cross coming up in Mizoram, illegal church construction on Sattra land in Majuli, Assam, the Tablighi Jamaat-Covid-19 fiasco, and the (lack of) reaction to the recent mob lynching of two saffron-clad sadhus in the Christian missionary hotbed Palghar, Maharashtra are but a few examples.

Given the ideological straitjacket, even in the case where the right wing becomes the new ally of the imperial forces, the Left can only push the narrative of "Hindu fascism” as it does now.

In fact, a Hindu rashtra will offer an unprecedented convenience to imperial forces— a complacent right-wing and an ineffective Left.

Three, it assumes right wing can’t achieve anything beyond winning a few elections

Mustafa seems to be banking on the assumption that a lot of left-wing intellectuals have — that the Indian right wing simply doesn’t have a coherent constructive ideology or strategy beyond criticising Congress and the Left. It can change the name, but it has no alternative to Nehruvian secularism in practice.

The Left has always assumed that the emergence of a political Hindu is impossible due to the “internal contradictions of the Hindu society”.

Not that the Left can’t see that there is real anger among Hindus based on genuine grievances, but it is sure that given the lack of intellectual leadership, it will never be channelised into anything concrete.

The Left-wing intellectuals themselves proudly proclaim that ‘there are almost no right wing intellectuals in India’. So the best the right-wing can do is win some elections, but in the intellectual domain, it will always remain on the fringe.

That means, while some ad hoc innocuous measures like CAA can crop up here and there, the right-wing won’t ever have any real, long term productive power.

It also means that the right-wing movement will be limited to one political party — all eggs in one basket; and right-wingers will never amount to anything more than “IT cell” and “bhakts”.

Fourth, the surety that a Hindu rashtra will fail and its failure will sound death the knell of the Hindu movement

The proposal also has an underlying sadism— if India becomes a Hindu rashtra, it will only end up the way Nazi Germany did — beaten, disgraced and untouchable.

The Germans were rescued by their fellow white men but the guilt of a failed Hindu rashtra would be so immense that the Hindus won't dare become political again, and retire to a permanent passiveness.

It would sound the death knell of the Hindu culture and philosophy that survived centuries of persecution.

The same fear is visible in the older generation of the right-wing intellectuals who, as a result, restrained the movement tightly.

The likes of Arun Shourie did a great job exposing the left cabal but always maintained a suspicion of the right-wing politics.

All the four points discussed above pose substantial challenge for the right-wing, and must be taken seriously.

The movement definitely has a long way to go, be it organising and educating the masses in Indic politics, or having a voice loud-enough to penetrate the intellectual ivory towers.

However, at the same time, the recent trends suggest that the days of Hindu movement being defined by the Left are over.

One, a Hindu political being is already here

The Left banking on the “internal contradictions of Hindu society” for divide and rule hasn’t noticed that pan-Hindu unity and a Hindu political being is already on the scene.

Research shows that contrary to the claims that it is an upper-caste party, the BJP’s social base is now broad-based and mirrors the Hindu society.

The shift of the poor, rural and lower caste voters to BJP is ideological, and those who identify with BJP aren’t swayed by short-term considerations.

This shouldn’t come as a surprise to intellectuals. It is a logical outcome of the path our political and intellectual leaders took and the choices they made after independence.

Two, “Intellectuals” can exist outside the ecosystem

Imperialists-financed incentive structure means the Left dominates the knowledge ecosystem, and attracts more career-minded ambitious folks.

But the humanities and social sciences aren’t such specialised disciplines that the people not trained in them for years cannot penetrate.

As much “expertise” the intellectuals like to credit to themselves, it’s not very hard to master the English language and explain things in it.

The Hindu movement does not have to depend on the mercy of the ecosystem for intellectual leadership.

Three, young right-wingers today are very different from the older generation

The Left incentive structure is controlled by a few oldies at the top. While this means better organisation, it also means lesser intelligence and flexibility to respond to changes on ground.

On the other hand, right-wing isn’t as organised, but is filled with and driven by young minds.

These young people born post-liberalisation can imagine a life without a maai-baap state. They don’t toe the line that the Left has set for them by marking no go zones with the labels of “fascism”, “bhakt”, “troll”, “saffron” etc.

The Left has so far managed Indians by fear and intimidation.

But young Indians today think for themselves, fiercely protect their autonomy and don’t cow-down to moral shaming.

Unlike the older generation of right-wing intellectuals, they are neither reluctant nor ashamed to assert own existence with full force.

Sure, they are a little rough around the edges, but it’s a minor problem that can be solved by little guidance.

Four, Hindus aren’t clueless fanatics. They know what they are fighting, and what is it that they want

The Left threatens Indians into submitting to the imperial forces lest multiple identities regarding caste, language, region pull apart the nation.

Too bad it cannot see that hundreds of right-wing groups with young people from a variety of backgrounds are a continuing experiment of respectful co-existence which is neither marred by Left’s victimology-driven over-sensitivity, nor “oppressive caste hierarchy” or “cowbelt dominance”.

Mustafa says “Hindutva fanatics will be hugely disappointed to know that the Hindu rashtra will not be entirely different from the current secular state”.

Professor Mustafa will be disappointed to know that that the Hindus are no more fooled by a superficial change, like that of the Nehru surname to Gandhi.

What Hindus are demanding is a rigorous evaluation of the past crimes against them, the ideas that propelled it, and breaking the structures that continue to push the same ideas. Fight is not against certain groups, but certain ideas.

For the sake of brevity, we won’t go in the details of what Indic thought is, and how the Indic movement is tackling the long-term challenges of caste discrimination, communalism, etc.

Suffice to say that both the diagnoses and solutions are more accurate and effective than the Left’s oppressor-oppressed binary.

Five, the current Hindu movement has same creative power as the Indian National Movement

In the real-world outside Leftist fantasies, the right-wing is not composed of just some street-level clueless fanatics. It is not an aberration of history, a high tide that is destined to go down.

The aberration in Indian history is the hegemony of Left in independent India that, in alliance with global capitalists and imperialists, made the legacy of the freedom movement stand on its head.

It’s time to bring out Gandhi, Bose, Tagore and others mummified and neatly arranged in the museum of Indian Left; breathe a new life into their ideas, and build upon the foundation laid by them.

The current Indic movement situates itself as a successor of the Indian national movement. It’s a river that slowly but steadily cuts its way.

It is the continuation of the fight for the ideals of the freedom fighters, be it Tagore’s atmasakti; Ghosh’s reawakening of India’s ancient spirit ; Vivekananda’s idea of service, Ambedkar’s organise, Tilak’s swaraj, Bose’s India is calling or Gandhi’s Ram Rajya.

https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/some-libe ... -the-catch

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 23 Apr 2020 22:40

Chayan Chatterjee@Satyanewshi
#WeSupportArnab A important document of Antonina Maino aka Sonia Gandhi see the signature Antonina Maino Gandhi everything is fake about the family

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 23 Apr 2020 23:24

Sachin wrote:
dinesh_kimar wrote:Palghar - not a single peep from the 105 MLAs of the BJP, no court case/ affidavit filed.
Don't know if the MH Assembly is in session so that the MLAs can raise the issue there. But yes, I agree BJP has been silent on this issue. Looks like they too are becoming opportunities who latch on to issues when they see some political benefit. Just like the Kerala BJP leader who opined that the Sabari Mala temple fiasco is a golden opportunity (to play politics).

Sarpanch Chitra has given witness testimony. BJP works not how people think and should be apparent from many metrics in GJ from last 20 years.

What's worse is that pretty much all well to do Hindu sects are quiet and s*** scared of evanjihadis. BJP is just a partial reflection of this Hindu behavior. Every donor to any Hindu sect should question them about being quiet against killings is sadhus for decades. After 1966, one would have thought that every Hindu mandir would have been telling their followers to not vote for behru family and ask for justice. Behavior of Hindu sects is as despicable as anything.

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 24 Apr 2020 00:17

Manish_Sharma wrote:How deeply Christian & islamist imperialist forces conspire :
Some Liberals Are Warming Up To The Idea Of ‘Hindu Rashtra’ Over Nehruvian Secularism, What’s The Catch?

by Yaajnaseni
Apr 22, 2020, 6:41 pm

An article in the Indian Express, written by the Vice-Chancellor of NALSAR University, Hyderabad, Faizan Mustafa states that the Indian “minorities are too fed up of the facade of secularism”.

Mustafa argues that if Indians are done with the Nehruvian model of secularism (without pointing out its flaws), they should declare the country a Hindu rashtra, giving Hinduism the status of the dominant spiritual heritage.

He is right in saying that “the Hindu rashtra will not be entirely different from the current secular state”, because it is not in Hinduism’s character to do what Pakistan or other Islamic countries do to religious minorities.

One, it’s an ultimatum to intellectuals to work hard to save the Left-Islamist marriage

The proposal is a warning to the Left compatriots that unless they get a grip of the narrative and strike the enemy harder, the regressive Left-Islamist marriage is in trouble.

It signals that the Muslims intellectuals are keeping the option open, instead, to negotiate with more benign right-wing elements.

Two, it is a veiled threat— imperial forces are too powerful to be pushed out of the game

The message is that we can change things on paper as much as we want, but the functioning of the Christian and Islamic imperial structures in India will remain intact.

The reason simply is that they already function with minimal dependence on other communities or indigenous political, social and economic structures. In a globalised world, they hold an organisational, political and financial clout that the Hindus can hardly match.

It is important to recognise that these imperial forces have a utilitarian approach towards the Left.

Indian Left exists thanks to the the alliance with imperial forces, not the other way around.

Left is quite expendable for the imperialists. Its only utility comes from the hegemony in the intellectual ecosystem.

If that comes under threat, the imperial forces can also directly negotiate with the non-Left forces to come to a new arrangement where they are, as before, left alone to work, just, say, at a higher price.

Even the political parties vilified as “saffron” have shown eagerness to maintain a ‘functioning’ partnership with the Christian and Islamic supremacist forces.

The tallest Christian cross coming up in Mizoram, illegal church construction on Sattra land in Majuli, Assam, the Tablighi Jamaat-Covid-19 fiasco, and the (lack of) reaction to the recent mob lynching of two saffron-clad sadhus in the Christian missionary hotbed Palghar, Maharashtra are but a few examples.

Given the ideological straitjacket, even in the case where the right wing becomes the new ally of the imperial forces, the Left can only push the narrative of "Hindu fascism” as it does now.

In fact, a Hindu rashtra will offer an unprecedented convenience to imperial forces— a complacent right-wing and an ineffective Left.

Three, it assumes right wing can’t achieve anything beyond winning a few elections

Mustafa seems to be banking on the assumption that a lot of left-wing intellectuals have — that the Indian right wing simply doesn’t have a coherent constructive ideology or strategy beyond criticising Congress and the Left. It can change the name, but it has no alternative to Nehruvian secularism in practice.

The Left has always assumed that the emergence of a political Hindu is impossible due to the “internal contradictions of the Hindu society”.

Not that the Left can’t see that there is real anger among Hindus based on genuine grievances, but it is sure that given the lack of intellectual leadership, it will never be channelised into anything concrete.

The Left-wing intellectuals themselves proudly proclaim that ‘there are almost no right wing intellectuals in India’. So the best the right-wing can do is win some elections, but in the intellectual domain, it will always remain on the fringe.

That means, while some ad hoc innocuous measures like CAA can crop up here and there, the right-wing won’t ever have any real, long term productive power.

It also means that the right-wing movement will be limited to one political party — all eggs in one basket; and right-wingers will never amount to anything more than “IT cell” and “bhakts”.

Fourth, the surety that a Hindu rashtra will fail and its failure will sound death the knell of the Hindu movement

The proposal also has an underlying sadism— if India becomes a Hindu rashtra, it will only end up the way Nazi Germany did — beaten, disgraced and untouchable.

The Germans were rescued by their fellow white men but the guilt of a failed Hindu rashtra would be so immense that the Hindus won't dare become political again, and retire to a permanent passiveness.

It would sound the death knell of the Hindu culture and philosophy that survived centuries of persecution.

The same fear is visible in the older generation of the right-wing intellectuals who, as a result, restrained the movement tightly.

The likes of Arun Shourie did a great job exposing the left cabal but always maintained a suspicion of the right-wing politics.

All the four points discussed above pose substantial challenge for the right-wing, and must be taken seriously.

The movement definitely has a long way to go, be it organising and educating the masses in Indic politics, or having a voice loud-enough to penetrate the intellectual ivory towers.

However, at the same time, the recent trends suggest that the days of Hindu movement being defined by the Left are over.

One, a Hindu political being is already here

The Left banking on the “internal contradictions of Hindu society” for divide and rule hasn’t noticed that pan-Hindu unity and a Hindu political being is already on the scene.

Research shows that contrary to the claims that it is an upper-caste party, the BJP’s social base is now broad-based and mirrors the Hindu society.

The shift of the poor, rural and lower caste voters to BJP is ideological, and those who identify with BJP aren’t swayed by short-term considerations.

This shouldn’t come as a surprise to intellectuals. It is a logical outcome of the path our political and intellectual leaders took and the choices they made after independence.

Two, “Intellectuals” can exist outside the ecosystem

Imperialists-financed incentive structure means the Left dominates the knowledge ecosystem, and attracts more career-minded ambitious folks.

But the humanities and social sciences aren’t such specialised disciplines that the people not trained in them for years cannot penetrate.

As much “expertise” the intellectuals like to credit to themselves, it’s not very hard to master the English language and explain things in it.

The Hindu movement does not have to depend on the mercy of the ecosystem for intellectual leadership.

Three, young right-wingers today are very different from the older generation

The Left incentive structure is controlled by a few oldies at the top. While this means better organisation, it also means lesser intelligence and flexibility to respond to changes on ground.

On the other hand, right-wing isn’t as organised, but is filled with and driven by young minds.

These young people born post-liberalisation can imagine a life without a maai-baap state. They don’t toe the line that the Left has set for them by marking no go zones with the labels of “fascism”, “bhakt”, “troll”, “saffron” etc.

The Left has so far managed Indians by fear and intimidation.

But young Indians today think for themselves, fiercely protect their autonomy and don’t cow-down to moral shaming.

Unlike the older generation of right-wing intellectuals, they are neither reluctant nor ashamed to assert own existence with full force.

Sure, they are a little rough around the edges, but it’s a minor problem that can be solved by little guidance.

Four, Hindus aren’t clueless fanatics. They know what they are fighting, and what is it that they want

The Left threatens Indians into submitting to the imperial forces lest multiple identities regarding caste, language, region pull apart the nation.

Too bad it cannot see that hundreds of right-wing groups with young people from a variety of backgrounds are a continuing experiment of respectful co-existence which is neither marred by Left’s victimology-driven over-sensitivity, nor “oppressive caste hierarchy” or “cowbelt dominance”.

Mustafa says “Hindutva fanatics will be hugely disappointed to know that the Hindu rashtra will not be entirely different from the current secular state”.

Professor Mustafa will be disappointed to know that that the Hindus are no more fooled by a superficial change, like that of the Nehru surname to Gandhi.

What Hindus are demanding is a rigorous evaluation of the past crimes against them, the ideas that propelled it, and breaking the structures that continue to push the same ideas. Fight is not against certain groups, but certain ideas.

For the sake of brevity, we won’t go in the details of what Indic thought is, and how the Indic movement is tackling the long-term challenges of caste discrimination, communalism, etc.

Suffice to say that both the diagnoses and solutions are more accurate and effective than the Left’s oppressor-oppressed binary.

Five, the current Hindu movement has same creative power as the Indian National Movement

In the real-world outside Leftist fantasies, the right-wing is not composed of just some street-level clueless fanatics. It is not an aberration of history, a high tide that is destined to go down.

The aberration in Indian history is the hegemony of Left in independent India that, in alliance with global capitalists and imperialists, made the legacy of the freedom movement stand on its head.

It’s time to bring out Gandhi, Bose, Tagore and others mummified and neatly arranged in the museum of Indian Left; breathe a new life into their ideas, and build upon the foundation laid by them.

The current Indic movement situates itself as a successor of the Indian national movement. It’s a river that slowly but steadily cuts its way.

It is the continuation of the fight for the ideals of the freedom fighters, be it Tagore’s atmasakti; Ghosh’s reawakening of India’s ancient spirit ; Vivekananda’s idea of service, Ambedkar’s organise, Tilak’s swaraj, Bose’s India is calling or Gandhi’s Ram Rajya.
https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/some-libe ... -the-catch

Hindu Rashtra is the wet dream of right wing kooks.
Not gonna happen.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 24 Apr 2020 00:50

https://newsd.in/people-more-prepared-l ... steadfast/
People more prepared, less complacent as faith in PM Modi remains steadfast

New Delhi: The Index of Preparedness has gone up sharply in the past one month, the Index of Complacency has gone down while the faith in the governments efforts to tackle coronavirus pandemic remains not only solid throughout but the approval ratings continue to surge, as per the IANS-CVoter Covid Tracker 2020.

<snip>

As many as 42.9 per cent respondents in the survey, as of April 20, have stocked up on rations and medicines for more than 3 weeks while those with less than 2 weeks is still higher at 56.9 per cent. However, the number of people who have made preparations for less than a week are only 12.1 per cent. The survey had a sample size of 4,718 persons.

<snip>

On the Index of Panic, the readings show that as of April 20, 41.1 per cent respondents agree that they or someone in their family can catch the coronavirus. A large number at 56.3 per cent still disagree that they can get the virus. At the beginning of the survey only 35.1 percent people thought they could get the virus. This number has risen but has stabilized around the early 40s range.

<snip>

The most consistent reading in the tracker has come on the Trust in the Government index. A vast majority of Indians, 93.6 percent feel that the government is handling the coronavirus crisis well while only 4.7 per cent disagree.

The approval ratings were 75.8 per cent at the start of the survey and since then the number of people who disagree has only been going down showing the immense faith in the handling of the crisis by Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his government.

The Index of Complacency has also come down as 54.1 per cent people disagree with the proposition that the threat from coronavirus is exaggerated while 37.8 agree, as per the latest readings on April 20.

1. CVoter tracker
2. Approval rating of GOI/Modi gone up from 75.8 to 93.6

At 93.6, Modi seems to have the trust of majority jamatis too, of course only for Covid handling.
3. Beepul are taking the virus more seriously now than before.

Raveen · Post by **Raveen** » 24 Apr 2020 01:05

SRoy wrote:
Manish_Sharma wrote:How deeply Christian & islamist imperialist forces conspire :

https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/some-libe ... -the-catch
Hindu Rashtra is the wet dream of right wing kooks.
Not gonna happen.

Secularism is a word illegally ramrodded into the constitution by a dictator, along with socialism. This wrong will get fixed, irrespective of whether someone erases it on paper or not.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 24 Apr 2020 02:00

https://twitter.com/iMac_too/status/1253255295423283200

iMac_too @iMac_too

The densely populated Muslim Mochi Mohalla in Ajmer’s Dargah area has emerged as the latest #ChineseVirus hotspot in the state. In the last 24 hours, the area has reported 79 cases from 11-15 houses

Other news from UP where some 145+ T.Jamatis were tracked down.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 24 Apr 2020 02:04

Who says that MH police isn't efficient when it comes to arrests? It may take days to arrest murderers but doesn't take any time to arrest people exercising their freedom.

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/mumbai-po ... muslim-boy

Mumbai: Police Arrests Man For Allegedly Refusing To Take Grocery Delivery From Muslim Man

Raveen · Post by **Raveen** » 24 Apr 2020 02:33

darshan wrote:Who says that MH police isn't efficient when it comes to arrests? It may take days to arrest murderers but doesn't take any time to arrest people exercising their freedom.

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/mumbai-po ... muslim-boy

Mumbai: Police Arrests Man For Allegedly Refusing To Take Grocery Delivery From Muslim Man

Which section of the IPC have they applied?

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 24 Apr 2020 02:37

Raveen wrote:
darshan wrote:Who says that MH police isn't efficient when it comes to arrests? It may take days to arrest murderers but doesn't take any time to arrest people exercising their freedom.

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/mumbai-po ... muslim-boy

Mumbai: Police Arrests Man For Allegedly Refusing To Take Grocery Delivery From Muslim Man
Which section of the IPC have they applied?

Laws like this being passed after handing over pukistan.

The police booked Gajanan Chaturvedi under the Indian Penal Code section 295 (a) for committing a deliberate or malicious act with the intention of outraging Patel’s religious feelings and beliefs.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 24 Apr 2020 02:38

pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/iMac_too/status/1253255295423283200
iMac_too @iMac_too

The densely populated Muslim Mochi Mohalla in Ajmer’s Dargah area has emerged as the latest #ChineseVirus hotspot in the state. In the last 24 hours, the area has reported 79 cases from 11-15 houses
Other news from UP where some 145+ T.Jamatis were tracked down.

https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/12 ... 1111317505

Shiv Aroor @ShivAroor

Viral spread from Tablighi cluster not over. With 4,291 #Covid19 cases directly linked to Nizamuddin markaz event, over 500 Jamaatis still missing, refusing to present themselves to healthcare workers in Maharashtra, Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Telangana. New details. Big story @ 5pm.

Additionally, https://twitter.com/Iran_in_India/statu ... 6930536449

Iran in India @Iran_in_India

The Indian ambassador to Iran has lauded the performance of the Iranian Foreign Ministry as well as the local offices of the health and interior ministries for taking care of the Indian nationals in the shrine city of Qom.

#IndiaFightsCorona
#Iran

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 24 Apr 2020 12:11

After the way the Iranians have behaved mouthing against us, this Indian Ambassodar is being stupid or not acting in Indian interests.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 24 Apr 2020 12:46

darshan wrote:
Raveen wrote:
Which section of the IPC have they applied?
Laws like this being passed after handing over pukistan.

The police booked Gajanan Chaturvedi under the Indian Penal Code section 295 (a) for committing a deliberate or malicious act with the intention of outraging Patel’s religious feelings and beliefs.

Home is under the single source pasand crowd and they will not ask the MAH CM what to do. They will do the damage, the presstitutes will support them vociferously and the blame will be laid squarely on the bumbling father son joker duo.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 24 Apr 2020 13:41

Link embedded ... This is what gender studies / social "sciences" does to your brain.

https://twitter.com/BBTheorist/status/1 ... 6218481666

The Lazy Lawyer @BBTheorist

A tutor of #GenderStudies at #Oxford doesn't want the university to develop vaccine for #COVID19 because "If the university is the first to develop the #vaccine, it will be used to fulfil its political, patriotic function as proof of British excellence"

All social "sciences" streams now actively teach/propagate Cultural Marxism.

People get familiar with "Cultural Marxism" and learn to recognize it when you see it in words /action. You are already facing it or going to face it soon enough.

dinesh_kimar · Post by **dinesh_kimar** » 24 Apr 2020 14:00

^ This Cultural Marxism seems to be encouraged , thriving even, in RW systems.

Ram Guha is given a Chair in IISc , in Aerospace Engineering no less.

The Romila Thapars and Habeebs thrive in Govt. jobs in State Funded Universities, ( yes, they are Govt. Employees under HRD ministry) while True Indology is in hiding, and Raj Mahindra has been neutralised by the Powers that be.

The existing status quo system is staunchly defended by Shri Javdekar.

Such are the mysterious workings of the present govt.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 24 Apr 2020 14:17

Raveen wrote:
SRoy wrote:
Hindu Rashtra is the wet dream of right wing kooks.
Not gonna happen.
Secularism is a word illegally ramrodded into the constitution by a dictator, along with socialism. This wrong will get fixed, irrespective of whether someone erases it on paper or not.

The words Secularism and Socialism were absolutely not ramrodded of even inserted gently into the Constitution. It is important to know what we are talking about and state those thoughts with care and accuracy. Or at least do one’s best in that regard. Otherwise we would be no different than the organized savages that call themselves secularists and socialists.

It’s a common mistake to think the Preamble to the Constitution is a part of the Constitution. It isn’t. The Constitution is what follows the Preamble.

During the Emergency, Indira Gandhi “amended” the Preamble to say, “We the People of India ... constitute ourselves into a sovereign, secular, socialist democratic Republic “ , adding secular and socialist as a cheap, nonsensical stunt to pretend that she imposed Emergency to change India for the better. Only because of the idolatry of Indira Gandhi and the fondness of religious fanatics and crooks for “secularism” and “socialism”, as well as general cowardice and stupidity those nonsense terms remained in the Preamble since then.

(Sovereign, Democratic and Republic are all words with universally known and fixed meanings in Political Science. Secular and Socialist are comparatively vaguer terms; more importantly they define policy directions of government, not the structure like the original terms do.)

The Preamble to the Indian Constitution was patterned after the US Declaration of Independence which precedes the US Constitution. Neither can be changed, and both frequently get confused with the respective Constitution itself. There is no such concept as “all men are created equal “ and nothing like the right to “the pursuit of happiness” in the US Constitution, for example.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 24 Apr 2020 14:36

KLNMurthy wrote:It’s a common mistake to think the Preamble to the Constitution is a part of the Constitution. It isn’t. The Constitution is what follows the Preamble.

In a Facebook group there was a debate on the same, and I had asked a question there for which there was no answer. There is this Kesavananda Bharathi v/s State of Kerala, which is considered a landmark judgement. It was on this judgement that a 'basic structure' of the constituitional principles and values was laid out and the courts could strike down amendments on the Constituition which were against this basic structure. This verdict was in 1973.

A "secular" member of the group had said that this verdict would help in a way that India could never be made a "non-secular" country. Because the 1973 verdict considered secularism as part of the 'basic structure'. This individual could not answer how a 1973 verdict will hold good in the case of adding "secular" and "socialist" on the preamble which was made some time in 1975-1976. His assumption was that preamble was made part of the constituition in a subsequent judgement, and is now part of the 'basic structure'.

Adrija · Post by **Adrija** » 24 Apr 2020 14:55

Sachin, it is correct that the Kesavananda Bharti case laid out the "basic structure which is was beyond legislative review" doctrine. However, the Lordships did not specify exactly what constitutes this "basic structure" except Fundamental Rights e.g., RIght to Habeus Corpus, judicial redressal etc

Nothing to do with Secularism, that came later, as you have mentioned

JM 2 paise> Perhaps lawyers like yagnasri could expound further

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 24 Apr 2020 14:56

KLNMurthy wrote:
Raveen wrote:
Secularism is a word illegally ramrodded into the constitution by a dictator, along with socialism. This wrong will get fixed, irrespective of whether someone erases it on paper or not.
The words Secularism and Socialism were absolutely not ramrodded of even inserted gently into the Constitution. It is important to know what we are talking about and state those thoughts with care and accuracy. Or at least do one’s best in that regard. Otherwise we would be no different than the organized savages that call themselves secularists and socialists.

It’s a common mistake to think the Preamble to the Constitution is a part of the Constitution. It isn’t. The Constitution is what follows the Preamble.

During the Emergency, Indira Gandhi “amended” the Preamble to say, “We the People of India ... constitute ourselves into a sovereign, secular, socialist democratic Republic “ , adding secular and socialist as a cheap, nonsensical stunt to pretend that she imposed Emergency to change India for the better. Only because of the idolatry of Indira Gandhi and the fondness of religious fanatics and crooks for “secularism” and “socialism”, as well as general cowardice and stupidity those nonsense terms remained in the Preamble since then.

(Sovereign, Democratic and Republic are all words with universally known and fixed meanings in Political Science. Secular and Socialist are comparatively vaguer terms; more importantly they define policy directions of government, not the structure like the original terms do.)

The Preamble to the Indian Constitution was patterned after the US Declaration of Independence which precedes the US Constitution. Neither can be changed, and both frequently get confused with the respective Constitution itself. There is no such concept as “all men are created equal “ and nothing like the right to “the pursuit of happiness” in the US Constitution, for example.

It was the BIF commies who grabbed the chance when they got it to get the preamble to the Indian constitution amended.

The very same exact thing happened in nepal and the commies followed through there by grabbing power and forming the govt and thereafter they just could not be distanced from any power sharing agreement and have often had their very micromanaging as well as a disastrous say in the political affairs as well as the foreign policy of nepal.

As a result, the hans are deeply entrenched in nepal and now they are trying the same trick using the failed congis to termite themselves into the Indian body politic.

This was the very intent of the BIF commies right from the beginning except for the fact that in India's case it was the russkis and in nepal's case, it was a wiser commie gang from china who midwifed the putsch having learned from the spectacularly failed attempt of the of the russkie backed Indian commies who just could not hack it at the national scale.

The not so recent rise of the Indian RW is a black swan that the BIF is struggling to deal with.

The undisciplined, spiralling out of control shaheen bagh attempt has exposed them all in a way that the muslims just could not foresee. Rabidly wet dreaming autoriksha drivers and their multiple wives who very vocally assert and believe that they are here to rule over the Hindus have opened the eyes of the RW in ways that the BJP could have only dreamed of.

Markaz was a body blow to the national psyche that the muslims will pay for in more ways than one. The next time around, the "congregation" of the so called jamat will be a vastly different affair, if indeed, there is one.

Their socially suicidal reaction to the chinese virus containment process, as well as, their scant regard for internationally accepted quarantine procedures have significantly increased our lockdown times and resulted in proven higher rates of infection and economic losses

nam · Post by **nam** » 24 Apr 2020 14:59

The issue is nobody in India seems to understand the meaning of Secularism. It means no policies based on Religion, NOT policies specific to like of any religious group.

Indian state should furiously apply the concept of Secularism.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 24 Apr 2020 15:15

nam wrote:The issue is nobody in India seems to understand the meaning of Secularism. It means no policies based on Religion, NOT policies specific to like of any religious group.

Indian state should furiously apply the concept of Secularism.

The commies, muslims and the xtians are extremely happy at the very vague way in which secularism is presently understood by the aam aadmi and the presstitutes and the gora (and coconut) historians have been pushing and pushing this line for centuries now.

It gives them all the large leeway that they so fervently desire in their long fight to subjugate India.

Moreover, without a definition, the line is wherever they wish to draw it and when they draw a new line as they often do, then that new line simply becomes the dominant narrative.

very few people realize that the three proselytizing politico religious entities acting in concert, loosely aligned in nonaggressive, as well as, non compete agreements and in ideological lockstep in their ambitions to subjugate India and suborn her resources in their entirety are these three: the commies, the muslims and the xtians.

when they talk of love and "piece", its only themselves that they love and the "piece" that they want is your civilization in "piece" so that they can then proceed to pick the carcass clean

Ashokk · Post by **Ashokk** » 24 Apr 2020 17:31

Govt probing if Prashant Kishor took a cargo flight from Delhi to Kolkata during lockdown

NEW DELHI: The Centre is probing if election strategist Prashant Kishor took a cargo flight from Delhi to Kolkata recently during the ongoing lockdown. Aviation authorities are going through CCTV footages of Delhi and Kolkata airports.

There have been reports that West Bengal chief minister Mamata Banerjee had asked Kishor to come to the state and help formulate a strategy to counter BJP’s criticism of the Trinamool Congress (TMC) government's corona management.

sajo · Post by **sajo** » 24 Apr 2020 18:54

Jittuddin Awadullah tests positive for COVID-19.

Maharashtra minister Jitendra Awhad tests positive for Covid-19
NCP leader and Maharashtra minister Jitendra Awhad has tested positive for Covid-19.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/m ... 2020-04-23

This could very well be a ploy to escape some nut tightening after the HC comes down on him, like our Netas get themselves admitted for "chest pain" everytime the law starts to catch up.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/mu ... 419642.ece

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 24 Apr 2020 19:11

There are many things that happen that offend Hindu religious beliefs. Or does the IPC in question not allow Hindus to be offended and file similari complains?

Reverse charges of putting life in danger, defamation, etc. should be filed against the well organized green mafia. You don't wake up and remember IPCs like this unless you're systematically trained on what to do and how to frame people using such laws.

He was scratching, was without a mask, never mentioned his religion: Here is the truth about a man being booked for ‘refusing delivery from Muslim man’
https://www.opindia.com/2020/04/mumbai- ... s-hotspot/

Scared by the fact that the delivery boy was touching his face continuously and had come from a Coronavirus hotspot, the Mumbai man refused to take his groceries. When the couple began heading towards their home, the boy allegedly kept yelling, “I am a Muslim and so you are not taking my stuff.”

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 24 Apr 2020 19:22

I wonder why so far no one has filed PIL in SC about why Policemen aren't in danger in Hindu areas but are in danger in non Hindu areas. SC should immediately order the central govt to investigate this issue and send the response back.

Meanwhile all Hindus should walk around with this article printed in their pocket to show the police next time you're being shown off by police.

The Muslim street veto: Here is why the police had to flee on their bike after being surrounded by locals
https://www.opindia.com/2020/04/up-muza ... down-free/

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 24 Apr 2020 19:43

https://twitter.com/rajchengappa/status ... 4146448384

Raj Chengappa @rajchengappa

Kerala’s homecoming scare: About 4 lakh expats are waiting to return and the state is gearing up on how to quarantine them: India Today Insight by @JacobEditor https://indiatoday.in/india-today-insig ... 2020-04-23
via @indiatoday

Even without Covid, with the global economy headed south, return of a substantial number of gelf expats was always on cards.

The Covid pandemic adds another layer of complexity to the return of gelf expats. Not just Kerala but other states too would feel the pain.

For Kerala and other states with substantial expat population it is going to be a logistical challenge. One reason why GOI delayed their repatriation to allow the states time to plan and build up infrastructure.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 24 Apr 2020 21:06

Yesterdin ..

https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/12 ... 0833727491

Shiv Aroor @ShivAroor

JUST IN: 778 new #Covid19 cases in Maharashtra in the last 24 hours, 522 of which are in Mumbai. (State total now at 6427, of which 4205 in Mumbai.)

And markets have been opened for Ramadan with little oversight.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 24 Apr 2020 21:16

Sachin wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:It’s a common mistake to think the Preamble to the Constitution is a part of the Constitution. It isn’t. The Constitution is what follows the Preamble.
In a Facebook group there was a debate on the same, and I had asked a question there for which there was no answer. There is this Kesavananda Bharathi v/s State of Kerala, which is considered a landmark judgement. It was on this judgement that a 'basic structure' of the constituitional principles and values was laid out and the courts could strike down amendments on the Constituition which were against this basic structure. This verdict was in 1973.

A "secular" member of the group had said that this verdict would help in a way that India could never be made a "non-secular" country. Because the 1973 verdict considered secularism as part of the 'basic structure'. This individual could not answer how a 1973 verdict will hold good in the case of adding "secular" and "socialist" on the preamble which was made some time in 1975-1976. His assumption was that preamble was made part of the constituition in a subsequent judgement, and is now part of the 'basic structure'.

Maybe this is not the right thread for a discussion of constitutional law of India, and anyway I’ll be rapidly reaching the limits of my knowledge in this subject.

My point was just that in a world in which ignorant and malicious people seem to keep prevailing over good moral and intellectual standards, we owe it to ourselves to maintain and improve our own standards. Not because necessarily it will help us to win, but because those standards are what we are fighting for. Not blurring the distinction between Preamble and Constitution is important in that context. It also helps understand the degraded and degenerate nature of politics and public thought during Emergency days.

To me, it is not enough for “our side” to carry on about corruption of congress party or the Family, we should try to grow the intellectual chops to be able to explain from first principles why they are corrupt and degenerate. Otherwise what are fighting these blatantly, infuriatingly inferior tools for?

Way I see it, “basic structure” in Kesavananda case meant freedom of the individual citizen to go about his business. It has nothing to do with the Preamble, though someone may feel free to cite the Preamble to bolster their argument. The freedoms are enshrined in the Fundamental Rights, (section 6?) but there are also provisions to limit those rights under special conditions. So, does it mean Parliament—which embodies the “Sovereign” term in the Preamble—can claim special conditions and trample at will on Fundamental Rights?

“Basic Structure” was a concept created for thinking about this question. Clearly the deliberations of the Constituent Assembly show that the “original intent “ behind Constitution was not the formation of a banana republic.

“Basic Structure” did nothing to help during Emergency. Supreme Court bowed and crawled to Indira Gandhi. The concept does nothing to protect against a Supreme Court which is lacking in judgement or character. It does nothing when FoE is crushed in the name of “hurt sentiments.” The concept, which may have been valid when it was first introduced, is now just a tool for self-serving lowlifes.

To me, this fight of ours has two fronts: 1. Raise our standards as high as we can

2. Set aside the earnest attitude required for 1 when confronting the enemy to fight and destroy it with all the ruthlessness we can bring to the fight.

The challenge is to manage the contradictions between 1 and 2. Knowledge of Bhagavad Gita will help in this regard.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 24 Apr 2020 21:20

darshan wrote:I wonder why so far no one has filed PIL in SC about why Policemen aren't in danger in Hindu areas but are in danger in non Hindu areas. SC should immediately order the central govt to investigate this issue and send the response back.

Meanwhile all Hindus should walk around with this article printed in their pocket to show the police next time you're being shown off by police.

The Muslim street veto: Here is why the police had to flee on their bike after being surrounded by locals
https://www.opindia.com/2020/04/up-muza ... down-free/

PILs are a hugely abused legal and administrative perversion. It is the job of Parliament and Cabinet to pass and enforce laws to protect law enforcers.

sanjayc · Post by **sanjayc** » 24 Apr 2020 22:01

PILs are a part of Breaking India Forces and need to be banned. Westerns are using PILs to subvert Indian government

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 24 Apr 2020 22:09

The original Constituent Assembly already answered the question of whether to put the words 'socialist' and 'secular' in the constitution. On the word 'secular', the following article is an enlightening read:
Secularism: Why Nehru dropped and Indira inserted the S-word in the Constitution
Indiakanoon has the transcripts of the actual Constituent Assembly meetings:
Constituent Assembly Debates On 6 December, 1948 Part I

For those interested, the entire Kesavananda Bharati vs State of Kerala case document is also on Indiakanoon.

Regarding the term socialist, Ambedkar had a very clear picture of why it should not have been inserted, too: article

What should be the policy of the State, how the Society should be organised in its social and economic side are matters which must be decided by the people themselves according to time and circumstances. It cannot be laid down in the Constitution itself, because that is destroying democracy altogether.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 24 Apr 2020 22:47

pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/rajchengappa/status ... 4146448384
Raj Chengappa @rajchengappa

Kerala’s homecoming scare: About 4 lakh expats are waiting to return and the state is gearing up on how to quarantine them: India Today Insight by @JacobEditor https://indiatoday.in/india-today-insig ... 2020-04-23
via @indiatoday
Even without Covid, with the global economy headed south, return of a substantial number of gelf expats was always on cards.

The Covid pandemic adds another layer of complexity to the return of gelf expats. Not just Kerala but other states too would feel the pain.

For Kerala and other states with substantial expat population it is going to be a logistical challenge. One reason why GOI delayed their repatriation to allow the states time to plan and build up infrastructure.

most are going to end up in adjoining states for jobs with a lot of them setting up under the GST radar kirana stores and small time restaurants employing single source guys.

there will be no job issue in KER because no job exists there.

yes, the initial impact of quarantine and treatment of such a large incoming flow will cause some stresses but this is a small matter for a state that has the best healthcare system in this part of the world and whose superman CM has been recommended for direct appointment to the post of the POTUS without the benefit of a US passport and/or elections.