2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 24 Apr 2020 23:10

Our problem is not that we are a secular country, but that we are actually not one, the word in our preamble notwithstanding. A truly secular state would never allow different personal laws for different religions. That is the very anti-thesis of secularism. And our bane since the very beginning is that the very people who shout the loudest about the virtues of secularism are the least interested in actually seeing it implemented on the ground. A Uniform Civil Code is the most secular law you can imagine. In fact it is actually essential, if we want a truly secular country and until we have it we can't really call ourselves one. But the people opposing it are the doyens of secularism as far as "intellectual" discourse is concerned in India and the ones proposing it are termed communal. Thus our biggest problem is hypocrisy and vote-bank politics not secularism. True secularism would be the solution not the anti-majoritarian hate that masquerades as secularism in India.

As far as the word socialist is concerned, how much has the presence or absence of the word in our constitution itself actually affected us? We have been a mostly socialist country with the License permit raj since Nehru came to power but before the word was added. After the word was added to the Constitution, we became even more socialist under IG. And in recent times we have become drastically less socialist, while the word hasn't gone away. So it seems the only thing which has an actual effect on the ground is who is in power. Even if we were to remove the word, but vote in Sonia and her NAC goons into power again, do you think we would see any less harebrained socialist schemes from the likes of Jean Dreze?

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 24 Apr 2020 23:54

Zee's Sudhir talking about alcohol, communists, and Christian missionaries playing into killing of sadhus. Liquor networks are something being used by conversion mafia.

https://zeenews.india.com/video/india/d ... 78890.html

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 24 Apr 2020 23:58

In a secular country one cannot have religion based laws & institutions. In a secular country there should be no place for Ministry for Minorities affairs or National Minorities commission, etc.

sajo · Post by **sajo** » 25 Apr 2020 02:18

It seems the lockdown has been relaxed. In time for Ramazan* I guess.

#COVID19 update
All registered shops regd under Shops & Establishment Act of respective States/ UTs, including shops in residential complexes, neighborhood & standalone shops exempted from #lockdown restrictions.

Prohibited: Shops in single & multi brand malls https://t.co/NNz9abgWdA

*But it's also Akshay Tritiya on Sunday.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 25 Apr 2020 02:58

I won't post any links, but I am sure you guys have read the many articles on DDM praising Sonia Sena chief and CM of Maha Udhav Thackeray to 5th heavens? Most of it is from usual BJP/ModiJi haters, but one claim caught my attention.

And that is, UT has actually gained popularity among the Maha masses ever since he back stabbed BJP and became a loyal Sonia Sena slave. Any truth to this?

I tend to believe that there is a grain of truth to this because on the day UT became a Sonia Sena slave, a lot of predictions were made that this master slave relationship between Queen madam and UT won't last even 6 months.

But UT seems in no danger of losing his job. It also appears to be the case because there has been no mass agitation or outrage from the people at large to UT's response to the lynching of Sadhus. So it seems to me that the complete metamorphosis from Shiv Sena to Sonia Sena has been accomplished.

Maybe this COVID shit has side tracked people's attention?

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 25 Apr 2020 03:05

sajo wrote:It seems the lockdown has been relaxed. In time for Ramazan* I guess.

#COVID19 update
All registered shops regd under Shops & Establishment Act of respective States/ UTs, including shops in residential complexes, neighborhood & standalone shops exempted from #lockdown restrictions.

Prohibited: Shops in single & multi brand malls https://t.co/NNz9abgWdA
*But it's also Akshay Tritiya on Sunday.

Stupidity beyond belief. First order a total lockdown until May 5th and then relax everything on the day of Ramzaan except multi-brand retailers (like that's even going to be enforced). Nuts! I guess the government saw what happened in most cities where peaceful community folks openly "dhajjiya-fied" the lockdown, so better roll out a home ministry circular and make it seem all as per plan. smh.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 25 Apr 2020 03:41

@nachiket: The Constituent Assembly discussions agree with you. Several more short sighted entities wanted to put both words in the constitution, but the more nuanced arguments were that neither are appropriate. The word 'secular' got a lot more discussion but at the end it was still decided that technically it could not be applied to India because the circumstances of the origin of the word do not exist in India (Europe wanted the clergy to keep out of the affairs of the state - in India historically there wasn't a separate powerful clergy influencing rulers - the rulers themselves were the sole centers of power). On the balance of argument, it was rightly concluded then that the term had no sense or meaning in the Indian context. That it was later gerrymandered into the Preamble and misused by the Left is a separate issue that needs to be handled as such.

The question of socialism is something Ambedkar himself answered - it's for the legislature to establish and not for a constitution itself to assert.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 25 Apr 2020 11:24

Replying to posts on the Corona resource thread here, since it was going OT.

Mort Walker wrote:
Deans wrote:
Its not necessarily a bad thing. It will end up reducing the trust (and control over the narrative) than the clergy and fundamentalist leaders have over the community. At least some educated Muslims are beginning to question their leadership, because they realise TJ has given them a bad name.
A lot of non Muslims who were fence sitters, or unconcerned during Shaheen Bagh / CAA protests etc now understand that went too far, not just in terms of undermining the rule of law, but potentially spreading a virus to the general population. I'm also not seeing too much transmission from groups (like TJ) or minority dominated clusters, to the general population. A de-facto separation of the muslim community will probably be exacerbated once this is over.

The virus does not practice religion and kills indiscriminately. In metros where there are nearly 30% Muslims, the virus will spread to the general population. All groups of people have to be brought under the public health umbrella. Like was done with AIDS, Polio, MMR, TB, and typhoid. This is where India has been successful and everytime there is a public health crisis, the west and India baiters snicker about how many will die, but I don't think any government on the left or right will allow that.

I'm hoping the CAA protestors see the light of day, and how the groups like the TJ really does not represent IM. TJ is was largely propagated after partition with hopes of undermining India. I hope the virus has undermined TJ in India.

The bolded words are the problem saar. I feel the same way, but one cannot force cooperation beyond a point - it should come from within. So we can only hope.

But when one subscribes to a philosophy which deprecates the value of life on earth in pursuit of some ephemeral paradise, why would that person behave responsibly, or listen to reasonable requests from others? As always, the root of the problem is the philosophical construct itself, coupled with social sanction against un-subscribing from the said construct. So the sensible ones would quietly cooperate, but wouldn't raise their voice to convince the community at large. The ignorant among the community would stay ignorant due to lack of reasonable voices, and would continue to wallow in their ignorance*. And all it takes is a dozen such people to cause mayhem, even inadvertently, so the magnitude of the problem multiplies exponentially.

In short, I don't see this ending well for inter-community relations.

(* I am not even considering malice here, which is another issue in itself)

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 25 Apr 2020 11:54

From another thread, reply here.

imagine the whole country being like this.

And the whole country won't be like this. In fact will look better perhaps who knows than most after which certain sections will be detrimentaly have unique source events, or repeatedly. How will that be worse than anywhere else and how is detachment going to help from Wuhan virus cause to results of finding correct vaccine, or blamegame even on those who don't have bio weapons and still have to suffer.

sanjaykumar wrote:If the majority muslim community has lost people like myself, there is a huge problem. I do not see any leadership that is not rooted in 7th century Arabia.

And how did people who died were disconnected to China virus spread. Why this philosophy like blaming everything on everyone. May be detection and vaccine cure are round the corner.

May be good people don't have to die along with others except others.

May be better sense will prevail over copying what whyte meain or eyraaneeun meain do.

syam · Post by **syam** » 25 Apr 2020 13:05

vishvak wrote: And the whole country won't be like this. In fact will look better perhaps who knows than most after which certain sections will be detrimentaly have unique source events, or repeatedly. How will that be worse than anywhere else and how is detachment going to help from Wuhan virus cause to results of finding correct vaccine, or blamegame even on those who don't have bio weapons and still have to suffer.

based on 2011 population census,

delhi has - 12.78% single source population
Mumbai - 20.65%
Hyderabad - 41%
Bangalore - 13.9%
Chennai - 9.4%
(kolkata - 20%)

it's almost decade since then. now think of this percentage people not following any rule. basically all our big cities turned into dead zones. we can't lift lockdown there. also can't enforce law and order. how are we supposed to 'fight' corona? it's not blame game, sir. it's about how the nation responding to the crisis.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 25 Apr 2020 14:36

Hyderabad numbers seem off. What is the data source link ?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Apr 2020 14:53

be sure to watch the video.

a bunch of whiteys and house negro coconuts expounding on the "ills" of Indian democracy.

Will the Chief Minister of Maharashtra, Uddhav Thackeray, step down on the 27th May 2020? A legal explainer

24 April, 2020

It must be clarified at the very outset that this article is written with a view to articulating only the legal standpoint on the subject and has no political connotation. The rationale of legal points dealt herein is applicable to a minister and Chief Minister and Council of States (Rajya Sabha) and Legislative Council of a state. CM Uddhav Thackeray was not a member of any of the houses (Vidhan Sabha and Vidhan Council) of State legislature when he took the oath of office on 28th November 2019. In accordance with Article 164 (4) of the constitution, he has to become a member of one of the two houses of the legislature within six months i.e. on or up to 27th May 2020, else he will have to step down as a Chief minister. It is a well-settled that chief minister basically being a minister.

Options before CM Uddhav Thackeray

One is to contest and win election to Vidha Sabha or two To contest and win election to Vidhan Parishad through legislative Assembly or through the constituencies of local self-government, graduates or teachers. The third option is to become a member of Vidhan Parishad through nomination from the Governor.

As it looks increasingly difficult to complete the process of elections and declare their results by 27th May 2020 the only option left before him is of nomination.

The Council of Ministers has indeed recommended his name to the Governor for nomination.

As per article 171(5), the governor can nominate any person who has special knowledge or practical experience in the field of literature, science, art, cooperative movement and social service. All politicians easily become eligible to be nominated due to their love for literature, commitment to the development of science, excellence in the art of politics, dedication to the cooperative movement and missionary zeal with which they engage in social work.

Nominated member, ministership and legal tenability

Even assuming that he becomes a nominated member it will be a moot point whether his Chief Ministership can survive as he has not got elected to the legislature, directly or indirectly.

It is true that there is no provision either in the constitution or in any other law which forbids a nominated member from becoming a minister. However his appointment as a Chief Minister can be challenged in the High court or the Supreme Court on following strong grounds.

Against the basic structure of the constitution

A person not ‘elected’ directly or indirectly becoming a minister or Chief Minister is contrary to the representative parliamentary democracy that we have adopted which contemplates that a government will be run by ‘representatives elected directly or indirectly’ by people. Therefore such an act will strike at the root of “basic structure of the constitution,” which cannot be changed, as pronounced by the apex court in Keshavanand Bharati case. It can, therefore, be vehemently argued that such ministership is unconstitutional. The supremacy of the constitution, a republican form of government and democracy, secularism, separation of power and independence of the legislature, executive and judiciary and federal character of the constitution are some of the facets of the basic structure.

What does the Apex Court say

Supreme Court in S.R. Chaudhuri vs State of Punjab & Ors 17 August 2001 Appeal (civil) 244 of 1997 has said that the council of ministers headed by a Chief Minister derives it’s power from people directly or indirectly. Parliamentary democracy generally represents the people and the power directly bestowed on it by people is the mainstay of such a democracy.

Noting that the scope and ambit of article 164 and particularly 164(4) are the important issues involved in this appeal the court has explained and interpreted article 164(4). The court has repeatedly stated that a person who has been appointed a minister but who is not a member of any of the two houses of the legislature must get ‘elected’ within six months. It is true that this appeal is pertaining to Punjab where there is no legislative council but the court has interpreted article 164(4) which has a word *legislature and not legislative assembly*. Therefore if the court ever wanted to say that if a minister becoming a nominated member of the legislative council would constitute a *substantial compliance* of this article and he could become a minister it could have stated so. But it has not done so. Instead, it has repeatedly stated that such a minister must get elected.

Constituent Assembly debate

Many members of the constituent assembly while participating in the debate on this point had stated that there are many learned, studious and knowledgeable persons in the society who do not wish to get into the heat and dust of the election. The assembly contemplated that such persons should be made nominated members of the legislative council so that society benefits from their wisdom. However, no one expressly stated that they should be made the members of the government. This indicates that the assembly did not intend that such members should participate in the governance function also.

Practice and precedents

One of the nominated members in a State Council, a former senior official of the Legislature Secretariat and a former senior official of Loksabha Secretariat told me during my telephonic conversation with them that they do not recollect any instance from states or at the centre where a nominated member was appointed a minister. The official of Loksabha said that though he did not recollect the details he certainly remembers that there was one such proposal under consideration at the centre but it was abandoned due to all-round criticism.

In the third part titled “Membership of Rajya Sabha” of a revised publication “Rajya Sabha at work” by Rajya Sabha Secretariat in October 2016 it is stated “it may be noted here that even though there is no constitutional embargo on nominated members becoming ministers, no such member has, up to now, been inducted into the Central cabinet. Prof. Nurul Hasan was nominated to Rajya Sabha in 1968. He resigned the membership of Rajya Sabha on 30th September 1971. He was inducted into the Union Cabinet on 4th October 1971 and he got elected to Rajya Sabha from UP on 11th November 1971.

Congress leader Mani Shankar Aiyar while speaking in a seminar held on 27th September 2011 at Royal Geographical Society had said “In India if you are a nominated member of Council of States you cannot become a minister. ”You can watch the video of the seminar proceedings here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL66rqZKfhk

It would not be out of place to note the meaningful observations made by Shri Fali Nariman, a noted jurist (who himself was a nominated member of Council of States) in his autobiography “Before Memory Fades”: The status of a nominated member of a parliament is that he or she is a non-party member to whom the party whips of none of the political parties applied. A nominated member is, strictly speaking, an independent member with no party affiliation or leanings.

It is undisputed that this is equally applicable to the nominated members of the State Legislative Council.

Resignation of Uddhav Thackeray and his reappointment

Some are toying with the idea of CM resigning and he being re-elected as the leader so that on his re-appointment as CM he would get another term of six months within which he could get elected. This is wrong and smacks of ignorance.

Supreme court in the verdict of S.R. Chaudhuri quoted above has said “Reappointment of such a person, who fails to get elected as a member within the period of grace of six consecutive months, would not only disrupt the sequence and scheme of Article 164 but would also *defeat and subvert* the basic principle of representative and responsible Government. Framers of the Constitution by prescribing the time limit of “six consecutive months” during which a non-legislator Minister must get elected to the legislature clearly intended that a non-legislator cannot be permitted to remain a minister for any period beyond six consecutive months, without getting elected in the meanwhile. Resignation by the individual concerned before the expiry of the period of six consecutive months, not followed by his election to the legislature, would not permit him to be appointed a Minister once again without getting elected to the legislature during the term of the legislative assembly. The “privilege” of continuing as a Minister for “six months” without being an elected member is *only a one-time slot for the individual concerned during the term of the concerned legislative assembly*. It exhausts itself if the individual is unable to get himself elected within the period of grace of “six consecutive months”. It would be *perversion of the Constitution and even a fraud on it*. Articles 164(1) and 164(4) have, therefore, to be so construed that they further the principles of a representative and responsible government”.

It may be remembered that the constitution has a clear provision of six consecutive months. A Latin legal maxim “Expressio unius est exclusio alterius” is a principle in statutory construction. It means “when one or more things of a class are expressly mentioned others of the same class are excluded” and “Construction ut res magis valeat quam pereat” means the construction of a rule should give effect to the rule rather than destroying it.

His reappointment as a leader of the legislature party will be a *Colourable action*. What it means is that what cannot be done directly cannot also be done indirectly. It is a settled principle of law that this way you cannot make provisions in law or constitution ineffective. While as per the constitution Governor is the head of a state but all the executive authority is de facto with the Chief Minister. Therefore it would be a *constitutional impropriety* if a person who has been a Chief Minister, even if for a very small duration, and who desires to stay in that position for long would approve of such action.

No constitutional crisis

It may be remembered that the post of a minister or Chief Minister is not a contractual arrangement. The legal maxim “Force majeure” has no application to this case. (“Force majeure” means an unexpected event such as a war or circumstances beyond one’s control and non fulfillment of contractual obligations arising out of this is excused) There is also no constitutional crisis or fear of breakdown of constitutional machinery. It is because the constitution provides for a Chief Minister, it does not say X Y or Z Chief minister. By an internal mutual agreement, Maha Vikas Aghadi (MVA) (an alliance of Shivsena, NCP and Congress which is in power in the state) can appoint any other elected member of the legislature as a titular or caretaker leader of the house who will step down at an appropriate time. It is true that the state is passing through a very difficult time due to Corona but that does not mean that there will be a constitutional crisis or breakdown of constitutional machinery if Shri Thackerey has to step down. If at all there is a crisis it is within MVA.

It was possible for Shri Thackrey to get elected to Legislative Council from Yavatmal Local self Government constituency in February 2020 from where Shivsena candidate Shri Dushyant Chaturvedi got elected. But he did not avail of that opportunity. While it is true that constitution provides for six months to get elected but considering the fact that this period is a special privilege as stated by the Supreme court and ideal situation is that every minister and the chief minister should be a member of the legislature at the time of his appointment as such minister, a person who is the head of a political party and who has adorned the post of Chief Minister ought to have availed of the very first available opportunity to *comply with a constitutional requirement*. Party politics and it’s gains and losses, personal pride and prejudices must take a *back seat* when it comes to constitutional responsibility and compliance of a constitutional requirement should not be delayed.

In case it is possible and a petition is indeed filed in the Supreme Court, the chances are quite bleak that the court will exercise the power available to it under article 142 to do complete justice and provide relief.

(The article has been written by Adv. Vijay Trimbak Gokhale who is a lawyer and works for legal literacy)

shaun · Post by **shaun** » 25 Apr 2020 17:07

Didi already in election mode , she is literally on loudspeakers, atop a police car and roaming the streets of Kolkata for last 4 days with the slogan " Note bandi Ghar bandi .." !!

"The CM also addressed people at Avishikta Crossing on EM Bypass. “It’s our fate that we have to bear with notebandi and then gharbandi. Everything has come to halt. None can go to work. We want this to end early. We implemented this government of India directive. For people’s benefit and to keep them safe we will try to do everything within our means,” she said."

SriKumar · Post by **SriKumar** » 25 Apr 2020 19:54

arshyam wrote: I feel the same way, but one cannot force cooperation beyond a point - it should come from within.

Maybe the simpler explanation is that there is a parallel political/authority structure? When orders from govt are not followed, but they are followed when some one else outside of govt intervenes, that is a sign of a parallel authority structure. There have been numerous instances of it in the last 3 months.

Two-three weeks ago I posted a picture from Deccan Herald of CM Yedurappa talking with some Karnataka MLAs to get the cooperation of some citizens in Karnataka- that picture is the definition of negotiation between 2 poles of authority/governance. Otherwise there would be no need for discussions and negotiations at this time of crisis to coax/cajole or coerce cooperation at a political level.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Apr 2020 20:08

this is sociology.

some stupid parents actually pay for their kids to be taught by such maggi "professors"

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Kaivalya · Post by **Kaivalya** » 25 Apr 2020 20:18

chetak wrote:be sure to watch the video.

a bunch of whiteys and house negro coconuts expounding on the "ills" of Indian democracy.

Will the Chief Minister of Maharashtra, Uddhav Thackeray, step down on the 27th May 2020? A legal explainer

Thank you. It amazes me that there has been 70+ years ( at least ) of crop after crop of house negro coconuts who have been prepared and rewarded to continue public discourse. It is staggering to see the questions as well as flippant/urban myth responses like misrepresentation of 35% to china was always a united cohesive entity while india was 1000 small kingdoms etc.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Apr 2020 20:26

this is the famous coalition dance being performed by @OfficeofUT and @AUThackeray as first explained by maun mohan singh using his impeccable coalition dharma theory.

music by pawarful peoples and lyrics by eyetalian peoples production choreographed by shaheenbagh company pakilund, and directed by isi paki.

Sunaina Vinod@mesunainah·Apr 24

Shame on you @OfficeofUT @AUThackeray @AnilDeshmukhNCP @MumbaiPolice
for keepin the shops open from 3.30AM to 12PM for shopping during Ramzan.

Who gave you rights to play with our lives eh?

Who the hell are you?

@narendramodi @AmitShah @Dev_Fadnavis This is not done. Not acceptable

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 26 Apr 2020 13:45

chetak wrote:this is sociology.

some stupid parents actually pay for their kids to be taught by such maggi "professors"

If yes, then join Amita Baviskar as she explores the multiple meanings of Maggi in her talk "Can Eating Maggi Create a More Equal Society?".

Ashoka University is a JNU type university and a more latest adda of PC BS idiots. Expect more and more idiotic things from them as time goes on.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 26 Apr 2020 20:55

Rumors afloat Uddhav Thackeray will make way for NCP's Ajit Pawar to become the next MH CM. What Shiv Sena gained by this whole sham i'll never understand and on what plank will they fight the next election is also unclear. If the switch does happen then i don't expect the government to last another year.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Apr 2020 21:09

Yagnasri, isn't that filthy joker Pratap Bhanu Mehta the chancellor or dean of Ashoka univ? I recall several profs, the 5-star activist variety in designer suits and saris, from there who made rounds with Turdesai, UndY etc talking about "Brahminical patriarchy" during the Sabrimala judgement. Also, I used to know of one Dr. Vanita Sastri who had started Meru foundation in Boston, MA to promote Indian/Hindu artistic traditions, was surprised to see her join that shitty univ. But please note all the info I have about Ashoka univ may be dated.

Ambar, why would UT make way for AP? If what you are saying is true, then it all the more baffles me as to how AP could have made such an ass of Fadvnavis and chankaya guru Amit Shah by promising support only to have collapsed in 2 days.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Apr 2020 21:38

Was browsing through another useless libarandu BIF website called newslaundry.com, and noticed there was an interview with Undy anchor Nidhi Razdan (Omar Abdullah's rumored keep).

I was not interested in her gyan, so kept fast forwarding, and a couple of nuggets caught my attention: 1) It only clarified how dercainated these Lutyen journos are, apparently, she is catching up on "Gray's anatomy" during lock-down, 2) She is going to be prof at Harvard starting this Fall, and 3) and of course loads of bashing against so called "North Korean" channels (Dorkie & Co).

I find it puzzling as to how such mediocre dim-wits get roped in by the western orgs, be it media or prestigious univs like Harvard.

I mean the only thread common between her, Burqua, and Rana is that all of them push the narrative against BJP and Hindus that west likes. Although I must give some credit to Burqa for at least some hard work in reporting from the field.

But it seems to me that being a Macaulayite is the main criterion to get some journo related offer in the west. Although not sure how much of a Macaulayite Rana Ayyub is like Nidi and Burqa, she is a hard core Islamist. But I guess she tells them what they want to hear about Hindus and ModiJi.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 26 Apr 2020 22:02

This indicates Nidhi Razdan is a possible media asset of culinary institute or ISI. Sagarika Ghose and Barkha Dutt are the other known ones. Rana Ayyub is also an asset being cultivated but she is of ISI not culinary institute.

Since the going gets tough for them in India, they are rehabilitated in USA for the time being.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 26 Apr 2020 22:05

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Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 26 Apr 2020 22:32

schinnas wrote:This indicates Nidhi Razdan is a possible media asset of culinary institute or ISI. Sagarika Ghose and Barkha Dutt are the other known ones. Rana Ayyub is also an asset being cultivated but she is of ISI not culinary institute.

Since the going gets tough for them in India, they are rehabilitated in USA for the time being.

Other ones headed abroad for "study" or "teaching" include Rahul Kanwal and Sushant Singh. Nirupama Menon Rao has been parked abroad for a while now as has been Guha.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Apr 2020 22:52

Karan M wrote:
schinnas wrote:This indicates Nidhi Razdan is a possible media asset of culinary institute or ISI. Sagarika Ghose and Barkha Dutt are the other known ones. Rana Ayyub is also an asset being cultivated but she is of ISI not culinary institute.

Since the going gets tough for them in India, they are rehabilitated in USA for the time being.
Other ones headed abroad for "study" or "teaching" include Rahul Kanwal and Sushant Singh. Nirupama Menon Rao has been parked abroad for a while now as has been Guha.

any idea of the "aeronautical" credentials of guha and exactly what he is supposedly doing in IISc

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Apr 2020 22:57

schinnas wrote:This indicates Nidhi Razdan is a possible media asset of culinary institute or ISI. Sagarika Ghose and Barkha Dutt are the other known ones. Rana Ayyub is also an asset being cultivated but she is of ISI not culinary institute.

Since the going gets tough for them in India, they are rehabilitated in USA for the time being.

Could be true, but can't imagine ISI has that kind of power to get someone appointed at Harvard as a prof. But then again it could be some endowed chair funded by the ISI, and they had a say in who gets to occupy that chair.

But she will be a perfect choice to push west and TSP agenda. And top among them is to take what they call a 'people centric' approach to Kashmir. Meaning endlessly berate Indian govt for the lock down, suppressing so called 'democratic rights, whine about them not having 4G and Internet, whine about press freedom when Jihadis in mufti like Gohar Geelani are taken to task etc. And that she herself is a Kashmiri makes her opinion 'authentic'.

Missing in this entire narrative will be the core issue that India faces, the separatist sentiment among the Muslims there, the rampant Islamism, the fertile ground that Paki pigLeTs and ISI enjoy necessitating the stringent measures Indian govt has in place, and last but not the least, the antidote to the most laughable claim India 'suppressing' democratic rights, namely, how much democratic sentiment exists there among the people there when anyone expressing an anti-separatist sentiment will get his/her head blown off. And the last thing on these bimbo types' minds as they pontificate is the cost India has incurred in terms of lives lost and destroyed, especially 1000s and 1000s of our brave armed forces.

So the end result of all this 'people centric' approach will be to get India and TSP into a western scripted p!ss process that will involve opening up the valley to TSP with the dog bone thrown at India that such an arrangement will not compromise India's sovereignty (recall, MMS/Sonia line that borders cannot be redrawn but made irrelevant).

BTW, I am waiting to see when Ajai Shukla and his ilk gets roped into the further this kind of agenda. That will be a coup d'tat for BIF.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 27 Apr 2020 00:24

Not surprisingly GJ continues to disappoint with not cracking down on mafia networks running retail to liquor networks.

As expected, news about services being provided by dharmic institutes are not making to mainstream and dharmic institutions are pathetic in PR themselves.

https://www.gujaratsamachar.com/news/kh ... in-15-days

vadtal-swaminarayan-mandir-distributed-more-than-30-tons-of-vegetables-in-15-days

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 27 Apr 2020 00:27

Manish_Sharma wrote:TWITTER
@thakkar_sameet :

Now latest today Afternoon @aroonpurie again called to same BJP leader whom he threatened that he will take Navin kumar Producer of Dastak back if BJP continues to boycott his network.

...

This was the conversation till today afternoon. Any further development in this matter in future will be shared at this platform from my handle. For now BJP is continuing its Boycott. Thread Ends. #JaiHind
https://twitter.com/thakkar_sameet/stat ... 27458?s=19

How is the BJP boycott hurting Purie? Just curious.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 27 Apr 2020 00:36

CRamS - ISI has invested heavily in influencing media and think-tanks in US. It directly contributes to their ability in narrative setting and getting favorable loans. Harvard has several visiting faculty and it is not a big deal to have industry experts as visiting faculty offering a few low level courses such as "Journalistic challenges in increasingly nationalistic South Asia" (the course title is made up but you get the point). All it takes are some donations and a well oiled connection. This is relatively easier in non critical departments. Finance, MBA, etc., would be very difficult but journalism, not that much.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 27 Apr 2020 00:41

Netizen starts drive to collect funds for family of driver lynched in Palghar along with Sadhus, Raveena Tandon appeals for help
https://www.opindia.com/2020/04/raveena ... g-details/

Hindu Sadhus were killed for political reasons, Christian missionaries supported by left, NCP behind Palghar lynching, finds report: Read details
https://www.opindia.com/2020/04/palghar ... -left-ncp/

We shouldn't forget derailing of projects like bullet train too as an additional objective. May be Japan needs to start handing out donations to anti conversion outfits.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 27 Apr 2020 02:34

CRamS wrote:
schinnas wrote:This indicates Nidhi Razdan is a possible media asset of culinary institute or ISI. Sagarika Ghose and Barkha Dutt are the other known ones. Rana Ayyub is also an asset being cultivated but she is of ISI not culinary institute.

Since the going gets tough for them in India, they are rehabilitated in USA for the time being.
Could be true, but can't imagine ISI has that kind of power to get someone appointed at Harvard as a prof. But then again it could be some endowed chair funded by the ISI, and they had a say in who gets to occupy that chair.

FWIW, of late Harvard seems to be heavily bankrolled and influenced by the CCP, going to the extent that anti-CCP statements and protests by students have been banned. Since Pakis and CCP are hand in glove, and she is a darling of the BIF, it isn't hard to connect the dots.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 27 Apr 2020 03:53

darshan wrote:Netizen starts drive to collect funds for family of driver lynched in Palghar along with Sadhus, Raveena Tandon appeals for help
https://www.opindia.com/2020/04/raveena ... g-details/

Hindu Sadhus were killed for political reasons, Christian missionaries supported by left, NCP behind Palghar lynching, finds report: Read details
https://www.opindia.com/2020/04/palghar ... -left-ncp/

We shouldn't forget derailing of projects like bullet train too as an additional objective. May be Japan needs to start handing out donations to anti conversion outfits.

The various modes of worship, which prevailed in the Roman world, were all considered by the people, as equally true; by the philosopher, as equally false; and by the magistrate, as equally useful. And thus toleration produced not only mutual indulgence, but even religious concord. Gibbon

The same can be said of India except it was not just Christianity that was intolerant of the gods but Islam also was intolerant of the Hindus pantheon.

But perhaps they are not to blame. As Taleb claims something about monotheism perhaps dulls the wit.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 27 Apr 2020 04:00

x-posting from J&K thread

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/h ... a7p2M.html

Note the use of 'activist' instead of terrorist or OGW.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 27 Apr 2020 04:46

Here is the remarkable quote from Taleb:

My heuristic is that the more pagan, the more brilliant one’s mind, and the higher one’s ability to handle nuances and ambiguity. Purely monotheistic religious such as Protestant Christianity, Salafi Islam, or fundamentalist atheism accommodate literalist and mediocre minds that cannot handle ambiguity.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 27 Apr 2020 11:33

sudarshan wrote:
Manish_Sharma wrote:TWITTER
@thakkar_sameet :

https://twitter.com/thakkar_sameet/stat ... 27458?s=19
How is the BJP boycott hurting Purie? Just curious.

All juiciness of TV debates go if main party BJP isn't there, only commie-leftist-congis sit there then there's total agreement NO DEBATE. People just don't watch the channel.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 27 Apr 2020 11:42

chetak wrote:
Karan M wrote:
Other ones headed abroad for "study" or "teaching" include Rahul Kanwal and Sushant Singh. Nirupama Menon Rao has been parked abroad for a while now as has been Guha.
any idea of the "aeronautical" credentials of guha and exactly what he is supposedly doing in IISc

Chetakji
He is an economist with PhD in Social History of Forestry (focusing on Chipko movement)
Maybe teaching effects of 'Wind Tunnel Testing' on Devadhar Trees

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 27 Apr 2020 12:05

Bart S wrote:
CRamS wrote:
Could be true, but can't imagine ISI has that kind of power to get someone appointed at Harvard as a prof. But then again it could be some endowed chair funded by the ISI, and they had a say in who gets to occupy that chair.
FWIW, of late Harvard seems to be heavily bankrolled and influenced by the CCP, going to the extent that anti-CCP statements and protests by students have been banned. Since Pakis and CCP are hand in glove, and she is a darling of the BIF, it isn't hard to connect the dots.

Its looks a monkey, talks like a Monkey but must be a cat.

Time and again we have seen BIF are being supported from West European and North America. Its time we accept that these countries are not perfect and a certain section of West European and North American society is hand in glove with the Chinese/ Pakis and especially BIF forces. This blind belief CNN/BBC propaganda has got us in trouble and has been a drawback.

syam · Post by **syam** » 27 Apr 2020 14:30

arnab interrogation is eye-opener type of jolt the so called 'rw' need. bjp with its gandhi giri going to get every supporter killed one day. on other hand, their opponents won't shy away from doing everything to remove any threat.

if congress had gotten similar majority like bjp, they would have made whole sangh parivar disappear by now. it's just matter of time before that happens. bjp and rss are simply unfit to do any politics. i am distancing my self from bjp from now on wards. those who value their lives and future, should think in similar lines. I can see how some folks can hate NaMo. From certain pov, it makes sense. Not going to post any vile or over the top criticism. this whole thing is just no longer my cup of tea.

Ashokk · Post by **Ashokk** » 27 Apr 2020 17:14

‘You Do Not Have Faith In The Judiciary, How Can We Hear You’: SC Bench While Hearing Prashant Bhushan’s Petition

Bhushan was also criticised by Solicitor General Tushar Mehta - appearing for the government who said that every time Bhushan loses a cases he goes to (the court’s) lawns and calls it a black day.
“You cannot run government as a PIL petitioner!”, the Solicitor General added.

syam · Post by **syam** » 27 Apr 2020 18:37

more than 8 hours, mumbai police still 'interrogating' arnab. wonder what's taking the time. waiting for bjp spokies to condemn this.

from practical pov, what arnab did is right thing at this juncture. he took small risk to test the waters. he didn't commit any grave offense. momma gandhi will forgive him. at least he can be clear about which way bjp swings and what he should do in future.