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chetak wrote:Adhir Ranjan Chowdhury, is someone planning to join the BJP
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This is the same Congi rascal who blathered on about Kashmir being a disputed territory in Lok Sabha during the Article 370 abrogation debate. He neither has the brains nor the imagination to come up with something like "recognize Taiwan" demand out of his own head. I have listened to him talk and trust me, he is an embarrassment to dim bulbs.
Makes me suspect that this tweet is evidence that the Congis get their orders from someone outside-on-high, and that someone floated this as a trial balloon, using this expendable moron.
The letter further states that self-quarantine should be advocated instead of cordoning off the entire area. The Jamia Arabia Islamia secretary held that the government should heed to the views of Muslim clerics before taking any action in this regard. Khan wrote that before separating Muslim Coronavirus patients, some Muslim NGOs and religious leaders should be consulted, their views should be taken into consideration and the process should be taken forward with their trust.
He also wrote in the letter to the Maharashtra CM that sufficient provisions are not made by the state government to provide food supplies to those observing fasts during the month of Ramzan and exhorted him to take steps on this matter.
The audacity of the Muslim cleric from Nagpur to suggest the state government to consult Muslim clergies before fashioning a response to blunt the spread of the coronavirus comes amidst reports claiming Muslims to be the most affected community due to coronavirus outbreak in Maharashtra. As per a report published in the Indian Express, about 44 per cent of COVID-19 related deaths in Maharashtra have been recorded among Muslim community while Muslims only form 12 per cent of the state’s total population.
Earlier, A Muslim cleric had demanded special privileges for his fellow Muslim clerics on the account of Muslim holy month of Ramzan. Issuing a veiled threat to the Maharashtra Police, Mufti Hujefa Kasmi of Bhiwandi asked the police to not take any coercive action against Muslim clerics who are found violating the lockdown restrictions during the month of Ramzan. Kasmi had warned that police action against Muslim clerics during Ramzan will not be tolerated by the community members and could touch off a wave of violence.
Modi just announced a 20 Lakh crores revival package.
the congis are stunned.
the congis just can't believe that they left behind 20 lakh crores in the exchequer. An emergency meeting of the mafia has been called to investigate this catastrophic lapse. panic in the ranks.
mms probably went into shock and was hospitalized because some darbari babooz tipped him off a few days ago.
Shefali Vaidya.@ShefVaidya·11h
So far only @rssurjewala has given an official response to PM @narendramodi
’s announcement of the 20 lakh crore economic package. I hear @RahulGandhi
will give his reaction AS SOON AS someone teaches him to count all the zeroes in 20 lakh crores. #atmanirbharbharat
schinnas wrote:There is lot of substance. A visionary talk will or need not have much details.
Many of us are used to insincere empty rhetoric of the past and cannot appreciate when a sincere vision is articulated in simple words that common man can understand. Modi's speech today was more profound than Jaishankar's highly erudite talks.
Modi means what he says. His words aren't empty ornamental flowery language. You can glean the foreign policy strategy from his speech. The 5 pillars he talked about give very strong indication on the direction the policies will flow for next 4 years.
On the economic policy, he has indicated the size of the package and that it would cover laborers, middle class, make in India, and farmers.
Let NS give the details and tactical stuff. It took me a few years to "get" the speeches of Modi. Once I got it, I can see that they are heartfelt and profound and his actions follow those words.
respectfully disagree..but lets wait for NS and others to come up with details..i think it is setting stage up for something very big..see the five areas covered
1. Land
2. Laws
3. Labour
4. System (governance)
5. Supply Chain
I don't know where we are disagreeing. We both seem to agree that Modi's speech has hinted at several fundamental aspects and knowing Modi, he does not say things casually and follows through on those policy statements, even if they sound pedestrian or uninspiring at first glance (ex: fight black money, corruption, help farmers, etc).
I 100% agree that Modi talked about quantum jump of economy and not incremental approach. He will unleash major reforms in land acquisition and labor laws and FDI in the months to come using current situation as the opportunity / trigger. Opposition cannot do much when multiple legislation gets bundled together and pushed when Modi's popularity and clamour for economic improvement are both at an all time high. But Modi sarkar needs to really watch out for FUD.
kit wrote:Matter of National security at hand Reports of West Bengal refusing to take back "Bengali workers" stranded in TN and Kerala as apparently their forged "id cards" ( fake Aadhar ) will not stand up to scrutiny once they come back. No special Trains for them . All these people are illegals from Bangladesh. Kerala is apparently busy issuing them Ration cards. TN police refuses to take any action.
why exactly would mumtaz begum be outing them
there has to be some logical explanation for throwing these beedis under the bus even if it is in some faraway states.
Is there any news link/twitter link which mentions about WB not taking back Bengali (!?) people from TN & KL? I have not heard any news of KL issuing them with ration cards. But such a possibility cannot be ruled out. There are groups in Kerala who want demographic changes in the state, and would like large number of Bangladeshis to settle down in the state. I don't think the current communist government would be opposing such a move up holding the true spirits of "secularism" .
GoKL has been really pampering the migrant workers (referred to as "guest workers") by providing them with food and even electronic items such as LCD TVs. Mainly used as a propaganda tool to score brownie points among the North Indian crowd. The "guest workers" how ever do try rioting once in a while and two days back a Police Inspector in Thiruvananthapuram was injured after the "guests" man handled him.
The only reason I see in WB not accepting these folks is Mamta feels that once these people land up in her state, GoI may bring in some measure to scrutinise all of them before allowing them to leave WB territory. By then their fake IDs etc. gets exposed and Mamta will have a lot of Bangladeshi illegals to take care off. A better strategy would be to deny them entry, and then hope that Bangladeshi friendly state governments like GoKL help them settle down in KL. Mamta would neatly hand over the issue to GoI who will then have to put pressure on GoKL, GoTN etc.
The current migrant situation, though bad, is being blown out of proportions by usual suspects in the congoon ecosystem. The strategy is two fold i) grow discontent among the poor that Modi has abandoned you. ii) Make it tough for economic revival if these migrant labourers can be stopped from coming back to work.
Today's announcement should absolutely have a direct transfer lumpsum about for these labourers which can stop this exodus back. Many contractors I know & even in my businesses these people are being affected by rumours that you'll not be paid, you'd die hungry etc., even after reassuring them to the contrary multiple times. Many businesses can support their labourer staff during these times, but many cannot. Economic revival will be hit severely if the migrant labourers go back in large numbers & refuse to come back for few months.
..to consult Muslim clergies before fashioning a response to blunt the spread of the coronavirus ..
The next steps would be
Not to punish people for spitting and obscenity or outright violence against health workers
Then to allow vaccination only by halal or accepted way ie via believers for virus from China
Then perhaps gonna not riot unless further demands are met viz exclusive intellectual property rights over virus but it is already from China the emerging power
But how can clerics demand any IP rights over virus from China when actual threats are about rioting. Seems others just have to be bystanders and follow orders in cleric stan.
Kasmi had warned that police action against Muslim clerics during Ramzan will not be tolerated
Such statements out of context is what make people dumb like in pakilands.
chetak wrote:
why exactly would mumtaz begum be outing them
there has to be some logical explanation for throwing these beedis under the bus even if it is in some faraway states.
Is there any news link/twitter link which mentions about WB not taking back Bengali (!?) people from TN & KL? I have not heard any news of KL issuing them with ration cards. But such a possibility cannot be ruled out. There are groups in Kerala who want demographic changes in the state, and would like large number of Bangladeshis to settle down in the state. I don't think the current communist government would be opposing such a move up holding the true spirits of "secularism" .
GoKL has been really pampering the migrant workers (referred to as "guest workers") by providing them with food and even electronic items such as LCD TVs. Mainly used as a propaganda tool to score brownie points among the North Indian crowd. The "guest workers" how ever do try rioting once in a while and two days back a Police Inspector in Thiruvananthapuram was injured after the "guests" man handled him.
The only reason I see in WB not accepting these folks is Mamta feels that once these people land up in her state, GoI may bring in some measure to scrutinise all of them before allowing them to leave WB territory. By then their fake IDs etc. gets exposed and Mamta will have a lot of Bangladeshi illegals to take care off. A better strategy would be to deny them entry, and then hope that Bangladeshi friendly state governments like GoKL help them settle down in KL. Mamta would neatly hand over the issue to GoI who will then have to put pressure on GoKL, GoTN etc.
All news is not reported apparently., this is happening right now in Kerala . From sources inside the state , BJP sources as well as government , the unofficial kind.
kit wrote:All news is not reported apparently., this is happening right now in Kerala . From sources inside the state , BJP sources as well as government , the unofficial kind.
Sources in state machinery may not give things in writing, for they fear reprisals. But what has been KL state BJP unit doing about this? If GoKL is issuing ration cards to non-verified people, then the BJP can try expose that or at least take it to the notice of judicial system. It is not that BJP do not know the legal process. The commies tried to siphon of funds from Guruvayur Devaswom Board and BJP folks prompty filed a petition in Kerala High Court and got a stay. What may happen is that BJP would soon be accused of rumour mongering or accused of spreading incorrect news. And the main stream media would pick that up to hit at BJP; while GoKL would by then given ration cards or even fresh Aadhaar cards for Bangladeshis (after verifying their religion, off course).
What the F is this. Do these people not know that most 'Indian' companies participating in tenders do so with imported products ?
Seriously all this does is encourage importing companies who charge their own cut but contribute no particular gain to the country.
KL is like a stretch goal for BJP. They first need to get such actions rolling in states like GJ first. After two decades of rule, BJP still doesn't have control over bureaucracy in GJ to level the playing field.
What's up with non jamati people and suicides with no benefits?
Is it because they believe that being infected as non jamati would bankrupt their family as governments bend over backwards to save jamatis but not others?
Indore: Suspecting coronavirus, 78-year old man with pneumonia and breathing problems commits suicide
The hospital authorities have informed that Ahuja was admitted to the hospital on 24 April on suspicion of Covid-19. However, he was not found infected with the epidemic in the tests. https://www.opindia.com/2020/05/indore- ... a-pradesh/
Regrets of 1947? In India real minorities have no rights and protections.
Coronavirus: Maharashtra govt requests for 20 companies of paramilitary forces to maintain law and order ahead of Ramzan Eid
State Home Minister Anil Deshmukh has put out a tweet today informing about the state's decision to seek centre's help in dealing with the COVID-19 crisis in the state. https://www.opindia.com/2020/05/maharas ... ronavirus/
Pakistan in India
They burnt down our houses and temples and police taking action against us instead: Telinipara Hindus in West Bengal recall the horror
India is no country for IslamophobiaWithout being secular themselves, Muslim leaders in the country constantly take shelter behind the secular Indian constitution to disgorge their communal bile.
08-05-2020
Kanwal Sibal
To accuse India of Islamophobia is truly perverse. Given the wounds inflicted by centuries of Muslim rule, India as a majority Hindu country could have been deeply intolerant towards Islam. Instead, it has embraced Islam as an integral part of India.
Attempts at peace
Islamic fundamentalism ravaged India in 1947, long before the world discovered the pernicious nature of this ideology centred on a clash of civilisations, refusal to accept modernity and diversity, the violent assertion of religious identity, religious intolerance, terrorism, unspeakable brutalities, territorial ambitions, and so on. The belief that Muslims formed a separate nation created Pakistan. Up to 2 million were possibly killed during Partition and 14 million made refugees. The Muslim issue, despite Partition, has continued to torment India with Pakistan’s aggression in Kashmir, and Islamic terrorism against India since 1990 by jihadi groups based in Pakistan. The Kashmiri pundit community has been the victim of ethnic cleansing in the Valley.
The Muslim leadership has been content to play divisive politics in India in league with those political parties also averse to any form of Hindu consolidation. (Representative photo: Reuters)
India has nevertheless striven since independence to build a socially peaceful, secular, democratic home for all Indians, including the Muslim community. India gave itself a secular constitution in tune with the accommodating and tolerant Hindu spirit, which even embraced the “minority” concept and made special provisions for the Muslims and other minorities to manage their religious and educational institutions and leaving almost untouched their personal laws.
While the Hindu majority has been willing to shed the bitter load of history and move forward towards an inclusive future, the conservative Muslim leadership has resisted the change in thinking needed to become real partners in this national ethos and endeavour. Instead of becoming secular in its thinking for better integration, identity assertion with Arabised accoutrements has become more visible. Extremist Muslim organisations have emerged in southern India. The agitation against the Citizenship Amendment Act, as well as the National Register of Citizens, has communal roots dissimulated under a constitutional cover. Kashmir has lost its Sufi traditions and has become Islamised. Its leadership has kept the wound of partition alive by nurturing separatism and lionising terrorists. The Ram Mandir issue was made into a prolonged test of political and social will by the Muslim leadership, with the Supreme Court judgment not accepted with grace.
The resistance
Without being secular themselves, Muslim leaders like Owaisi constantly take shelter behind the secular Indian constitution to disgorge their communal bile. The “liberal leftist” lobbies in India see no contradiction in the Hindu community being exhorted to be secular to protect the right of the Muslims to be non-secular. Their focus is therefore always on the “non-secular” acts or statements by a Hindu and not on the communal acts or statements by a Muslim.
The Muslim leadership has been content to play divisive politics in India in league with those political parties also averse to any form of Hindu consolidation. Its electoral strategy not to vote for the BJP as a Hindu party is itself communal in approach. If the BJP wins without the Muslim vote, as it has, the Muslims are bound to lose politically, as they have. They cannot then fall back on the constitution to compensate for the failings of their political strategy.
The secular Indian constitution is no barrier to pan-Islamism, which is antithetical to Indian nationalism. The Muslims by virtue of their faith cannot delink themselves from Muslims worldwide. This explains the reputedly moderate Delhi minority panel chief’s reprehensible tweet thanking Kuwait for “standing with Indian Muslims” and reminding Hindu bigots of the huge goodwill Indian Muslims enjoy in the Arab and Muslim world, and praising in the process a terrorism instigator like Zakir Naik.
Global hypocrisy
This explains why when the US Commission for International Religious Freedom (USICRF) castigates India as an Islamophobic country and recommends sanctions against it, no denunciation comes from Indian Muslim leaders. When Turkey’s Erdogan speaks about his concern for his Muslim “brothers and sisters” in Kashmir or Malaysia’s Mahathir condemns India for occupying Kashmir by force, no Muslim organisation rejects this interference in India’s internal affairs and reminds the USCIRF or foreign Islamic leaders that as Indian citizens they have the protection of the Indian constitution and do not need foreign support.
Organisations like the USICRF, whose focus is on conversions to Christianity in India, have no historical understanding of the Muslim question in the subcontinent and the remarkable tolerance with which Hindu society addressed it in independent India. They should contrast it with the cavalier killings of blacks by the American police even though blacks never ruled America and suppressed whites, a stigma that even the ‘half-Black’ President Obama failed to handle. Europeans would understand the Indian situation better if they reflected on how their Muslim population, which never ruled them and has no historical angst to sublimate, resists integrating itself into their democratic, secular polities and sections of it are still attached to sharia, not to mention their involvement in terrorism at home and participation in the excesses of the Islamic State in West Asia. It is Hinduphobia to accuse India of Islamophobia.
schinnas wrote:There is lot of substance. A visionary talk will or need not have much details.
Many of us are used to insincere empty rhetoric of the past and cannot appreciate when a sincere vision is articulated in simple words that common man can understand. Modi's speech today was more profound than Jaishankar's highly erudite talks.
Modi means what he says. His words aren't empty ornamental flowery language. You can glean the foreign policy strategy from his speech. The 5 pillars he talked about give very strong indication on the direction the policies will flow for next 4 years.
On the economic policy, he has indicated the size of the package and that it would cover laborers, middle class, make in India, and farmers.
Let NS give the details and tactical stuff. It took me a few years to "get" the speeches of Modi. Once I got it, I can see that they are heartfelt and profound and his actions follow those words.
I first realized this around 2010 or so, listening to his speeches in Gujarat on various issues. I could not believe this was for real and assumed he was like all the other politicians, mouthing platitudes and promises that would never be delivered. As I kept listening to more, my ears finely tuned to detect that single note of hypocrisy or falsehood, I was shocked to find none. Since then, it has been an incredible journey for the past 10 yrs. People who accuse him of speaking lies from a podium are looking at themselves in the mirror, unable to believe that anybody else could be different.
Primus wrote:I first realized this around 2010 or so, listening to his speeches in Gujarat on various issues. I could not believe this was for real and assumed he was like all the other politicians, mouthing platitudes and promises that would never be delivered. As I kept listening to more, my ears finely tuned to detect that single note of hypocrisy or falsehood, I was shocked to find none. Since then, it has been an incredible journey for the past 10 yrs. People who accuse him of speaking lies from a podium are looking at themselves in the mirror, unable to believe that anybody else could be different.
If you and I can do this, so can BIF. The c-system and the baboo cabal aren't giving up so easy. I expect hyperactive sabotage, FUD etc.
Sadly, thus far these turdy termites have gotten away relatively lightly for their crimes, seems like.
Gotta admit some admiration for the ruthless (if clumsy) way in which BIF in power pursues and persecutes ideological foes. E.g., CTG releasing maoists by the scores within 2 weeks of taking power, Fox kaka repealing the repal of APMC that DevF had instituted within days of taking power in MH, Mumbai police going hammer and tongs at Arnab Goswami in MH, etc
Our side, with 303 MPs and 6 yrs in power have yet to unleash ED on the overground BIF networks, or so it would seem.
That is a tone-deaf response. This does not affect only OCI card holders. Many Indian citizens like H-1B and green card holders in the US, have kids who were born in the US and are US citizens. Now if they lose their job and visa status in the US which is very possible in the current time, how are they supposed to travel back to India if their kid's OCI status is not valid? Are they supposed to abandon their kids in the US? At least an exception for such cases should have been included.
I think the notification would be fine if if simply added ‘for adults’, and that the restrictions do not apply to minor dependents. Technically such kids have dual nationality until they obtain a foreign passport anyway. The law could just permit dual nationality in such cases until age of 21, with passports until then carrying the endorsement that the holder has another nationality.
The so-called migrants are actually our own,Indian citizens,who live in hovels in Bombay's tony Cuffe Parade beneath the glitzy apartments that many of them built with their own hands.They work for the extremely well-heeled occupants too ,as drivers,watchmen,maids,nannies,etc. Others in hotels and cafes of all types and offices of the city.They are the backbone of the construction industry,but greedy developers allegedly in Bangalore got their relief trains cancelled as their construction projects would be severely affected if they left! They have a right to live and own property anywhere in India.But for their poverty which forced them to leave their far- off homes, they are taken for granted.The lowest level of slave labour,who in their millions have been abandoned by the Centre,States and by most of their employers . AC trains for stranded respectable citizens only,cattle class gaadis for the
"guest "worker, adding salt to the wound as we in India love to boast that the " guest is God"!
The treatment of those trekking home or demanding transport was abominable.Lathi charged,tear gassed,sprayed with chemicals like fields with pesticide, women giving birth on the dusty,filthy, roads. Many dying en route to their villages due to starvation, others killed in accidents involving overcrowded vehicles,run over by trains as the tired slept on railway tracks, the list can go on. We often vent venom at the EICo. for the Bengal famine,and rightly so,but
look how the buck is being passed around now in Independent India! Everyone blaming everyone else.Are our politicos- for the buck stops with them,so heartless and uncaring,living in comfort in their palatial mansions,protected from the people by layers of security! Do we really have freedom in India? If you ask the millions making their way back to their homes by any means,whether they feel " free" in India.... you know the answer you will get in return.
We have collectively shown that the majority of the nation ( I do admit that there are many glowing instances of bosses caring for their workforce,no salary cuts,etc.etc.;some NGOs doing yeoman service.Seva Bharathi to name just one,but too few to make a difference at themacro level), consider the poverty-stricken migrants,guests- call them what you will ,the backbone of the labour force of the nation, as nothing more than " untermenschen" ,what the Nazis called the Jews,gypsies and others. A sub-human species only to exploited like beasts of burden.A dark,shameful moment in our nation's history.
We have to make amends to restore their dignity and honour. A first step would be new Labour laws,plus infra facilities in all states for "guest" housing,canteens,health facilities so when calamity strikes, it will spare them another trek of hundreds of KMs back home. Part of the PM's mega relief fund must be used for this purpose.It would be wonderful to see in the future such guest construction labour take pride in building their very own hostels,health facilities,etc.
^^
Yeah. I am not happy with KA Govt's act of cancelling trains to prevent migrant workers from going home. Seems like they have crossed a line here. Hoping that they reverse this decision soon.
prashanth wrote:Yeah. I am not happy with KA Govt's act of cancelling trains to prevent migrant workers from going home. Seems like they have crossed a line here. Hoping that they reverse this decision soon.
My understanding is that they have reversed the decision at least a week back. Trains are now moving out from suburbs of Bengaluru city. Mainly from Chikkabanavara Railway station in city side. And they have also supported the movement of migrant labour from city limits to Malur Railway Station (in Kolar district) for onward journey by train. The migrant labour were transported by BMTC bus fleet with police bandobust from the city to Malur RS.
nachiket wrote:
That is a tone-deaf response. This does not affect only OCI card holders. Many Indian citizens like H-1B and green card holders in the US, have kids who were born in the US and are US citizens. Now if they lose their job and visa status in the US which is very possible in the current time, how are they supposed to travel back to India if their kid's OCI status is not valid? Are they supposed to abandon their kids in the US? At least an exception for such cases should have been included.
I think the notification would be fine if if simply added ‘for adults’, and that the restrictions do not apply to minor dependents. Technically such kids have dual nationality until they obtain a foreign passport anyway. The law could just permit dual nationality in such cases until age of 21, with passports until then carrying the endorsement that the holder has another nationality.
India does not have dual citizenship so how does this work.
Don't these US born kids travel on US documents of some sort until they are of legal age to choose their nationality.
what the GOi may mean is just that these US born kids of Indian passport holders pay their way back and this may have been spun by interested parties to precipitate the crisis.
tharoor is on record demanding free passage for all OCI holders. This may just a bit much to ask. Even the US is charging its citizens for airfare like almost all countries are doing.
just because the kid's OCI status has been held in abeyance, it does not mean that normal visa procedures have been stopped. After some time, the OCI status will anyway kick in again as decided by the govt.
even salman taseer can apply for a normal Indian visa just like any british passport holder can do.
Move comes after Nepal and Bangladesh started misusing free trade Act to export the product, which they themselves do not produce.
Norms stipulate that free trade is permissible only when there is production of the commodity in the economy of origin.
India has cancelled permission to import over three lakh tonnes of refined palm oil from Nepal and Bangladesh under the South Asian Free Trade Agreement (SAFTA) as both neighbouring countries don’t produce the commodity.
The government has taken this step as some commodities such as palm oil, spices and tyres can be imported duty-free under SAFTA into the country but the provisions are being misused.
The issue over these imports is that these countries do not produce these products. Some unscrupulous importers and traders tend to channel their imports through these countries taking advantage of the free trade pact that allows imports, duty-free.
These countries allow imports of such commodities at a very lower import duty or zero duty.
“All these years, palm oil was being imported from Nepal and Bangladesh, flouting the rules of origin, which requires the product to be produced in the country from where the export originates. Finally, the Centre has woken up to such fraudulent imports,” said B V Mehta, a businessman.
The permit to import palm oil from these countries has been cancelled by suspending 39 import licences, mostly of West Bengal and Bihar importers, which the Directorate-General of Foreign Trade (DGFT) issued.
A majority of these licences were to import from Nepal, which does not produce palm oil. Of the three lakh tonnes, 2.93 lakh tonnes were to be imported from Nepal and 12,000 tonnes from Bangladesh.
In addition, the DGFT had also cancelled permits to import 1.5 lakh tonnes of refined, bleached and deodorised (RBD) palm oil.
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chetak wrote:India does not have dual citizenship so how does this work.
Don't these US born kids travel on US documents of some sort until they are of legal age to choose their nationality
India recognizes that a child born in circumstances that grant him another nationality at birth, can have multiple nationalities including the Indian one, as long as they don't acquire a passport of any other country - at which point they automatically lose their Indian one. I think this is a somewhat pointless technicality of little use, however. It just offers a way to say 'we do recognize multiple citizenships under some conditions.
It would be better to let such minors keep multiple passports officially, until they're compelled to choose one at age of majority. Such children can carry Indian passports with endorsements of other nationalities. Japan does this, though they don't have an explicit passport endorsement as such that I can tell. However, they have a rule where one has to pick Japanese or some other nationality at the age of 22. Not everyone follows this rule, however. If anything, it's one rule even Japanese flout as much as they can get away with.
The govt knows best the problem and all its implications.
recently a passport holding german citizen was elected to political office as MLA in telengana. similarly, in the NE also many beedis may have been fraudulently elected.
This despite all the so called checks and balances of Indian electoral practice.
In pakistan they do the same thing.
this entire issue has been pumped up by the congis to get NRI support translating to more funds being generated.
the best thing for India is to stick fast to its single citizenship model.
however you choose to slice it, OCI does not translate to Indian citizenship as defined in the citizenship act. It is only a document that enables easier entry and stays in India for certain specific criteria fulfilling set of people.
Yes I know firsthand that Indian nationality law is imperfect and that those (or their parents) born in certain circumstances, will end up with some bizarre twilight zone situations.
The German MLA case is fraud pure and simple. That sort of thing happens all over the world, even in developed world, like the recent constitutional crisis in Australia where over a dozen MPs and the sort were found to be dual nationals and thus ineligible: 2017–18 Australian parliamentary eligibility crisis
No need to beat up India especially for that sort of thing. Australia is after all part of Five Eyes and yet they had no simple way to cross check.
Citizenship fraud is different than current regulation not allowing OCI children of Indian citizen parents from entering India.
This seems to be a flaw in the guidelines thanks to some incompetent official who didn't think things through. The citizenship restriction for flights to India should be applied only for adults. Let their kids be citizen of whatever country but as long as they hold valid India visa, we should allow them.
This is exactly what is happening with the whole "move from China" thing and why China is desperately making FTA with Nepal, BD, Burma etc.
Goods produced in China are simply packaged as from countries, which have no barriers; like Vietnam. Similarly the Chinis are using the FTA b/w BD, Burma & India to move their goods under no tax.
Palm oil is easy to catch. However manufactured goods are not. All the Chinis have to do is a open a namesake factory in BD or Burma, where goods from china can be brought in and repackaged. Even if caught, these companies can claim, "some of the parts" are from sub-vendors in China.
Burmese & BD gov turn a blind eye, as it receives export taxes and improves their trade deficit.
schinnas wrote:Citizenship fraud is different than current regulation not allowing OCI children of Indian citizen parents from entering India.
This seems to be a flaw in the guidelines thanks to some incompetent official who didn't think things through. The citizenship restriction for flights to India should be applied only for adults. Let their kids be citizen of whatever country but as long as they hold valid India visa, we should allow them.
the babuz are purposely using convoluted language to confuse, and disconcert people hoping that the flak will fall on the ruling party.
But I am sure that this matter would have been cleared up by now, a storm in a teacup that ought not to have ever existed/created. This is the actual Indian deep state hitting back.
The visa alternative is still very much open and no one is stopping any OCI from entering India. It's just that they have temporarily suspended the OCI option for all, for whatever reason.
and obviously, non Indian passport holders, even those with an OCI are not being offered free concessions of any sort. All concessions, subsidies etc of any sort are ultimately paid for by the Indian taxpayer.
I know that in hospitals in bombay, many ask if you are an Indian citizen, and if you are not, your charges are much higher.
chetak wrote:India does not have dual citizenship so how does this work.
Don't these US born kids travel on US documents of some sort until they are of legal age to choose their nationality
It would be better to let such minors keep multiple passports officially, until they're compelled to choose one at age of majority. Such children can carry Indian passports with endorsements of other nationalities. Japan does this, though they don't have an explicit passport endorsement as such that I can tell. However, they have a rule where one has to pick Japanese or some other nationality at the age of 22. Not everyone follows this rule, however. If anything, it's one rule even Japanese flout as much as they can get away with.
Is it so tough for the minor to get the Visa to India based on the Parents Passport status?
This is exactly what is happening with the whole "move from China" thing and why China is desperately making FTA with Nepal, BD, Burma etc.
Goods produced in China are simply packaged as from countries, which have no barriers; like Vietnam. Similarly the Chinis are using the FTA b/w BD, Burma & India to move their goods under no tax.
Palm oil is easy to catch. However manufactured goods are not. All the Chinis have to do is a open a namesake factory in BD or Burma, where goods from china can be brought in and repackaged. Even if caught, these companies can claim, "some of the parts" are from sub-vendors in China.
Burmese & BD gov turn a blind eye, as it receives export taxes and improves their trade deficit.
It's a long term game. When Cheen started out, the Japanese firms used the PRC to assemble shipped in Japanese to lower their our surplus with the US which was a big issue in the 1980s and 90s. But over time the chinis built up their local ecosystem so that the foreign parts became less and less. Burma and BD will be doing the same. No one can build every part overnight.
This works as long as the world still allows globalization to an extent. If not then this avenue to advancement which served Japan then Taiwan and South Korea and finally China will be cut off for everyone else.
schinnas wrote:Citizenship fraud is different than current regulation not allowing OCI children of Indian citizen parents from entering India.
This seems to be a flaw in the guidelines thanks to some incompetent official who didn't think things through. The citizenship restriction for flights to India should be applied only for adults. Let their kids be citizen of whatever country but as long as they hold valid India visa, we should allow them.
the babuz are purposely using convoluted language to confuse, and disconcert people hoping that the flak will fall on the ruling party.
But I am sure that this matter would have been cleared up by now, a storm in a teacup that ought not to have ever existed/created. This is the actual Indian deep state hitting back.
The visa alternative is still very much open and no one is stopping any OCI from entering India. It's just that they have temporarily suspended the OCI option for all, for whatever reason.
and obviously, non Indian passport holders, even those with an OCI are not being offered free concessions of any sort. All concessions, subsidies etc of any sort are ultimately paid for by the Indian taxpayer.
I know that in hospitals in bombay, many ask if you are an Indian citizen, and if you are not, your charges are much higher.
The Over Seas Indian Citizens act states that, “an OCI holder enjoys same rights as the Indian citizens except the right to “acquire” agricultural property and right to vote and hold political office.” It was promised so by the prime minister with much fan fare at Prywasi Bharti Dias. But in reality it is nothing more than a long term visa. That little passport like booklet issued by government of India is as worthless as the paper it is printed on. It is not even accepted as a valid form of ID in India. I hope some NRI organization files a PIL in the supreme court for clarification. If it is just a long term visa then say so; why the charade
That OCI charade is at least easy to understand in plain English. Follow-on charades put out by each circular by bureaucracy is not tolerable. Especially six years of this GoI and no whipping of bureaucracy when it comes to trying to be more English than Englishman. You're not going to get any janapada when you can't even get bureaucracy to write proper circular.
As a US citizen, I have sold and bought property in 2010 and 2013 with OCI as my only proof of ID and have quoted the OCI# wherever the Adhaar /Pan etc was required. Recently, I used the OCI to get a new cell phone too in India.
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