China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Prithwiraj · Post by **Prithwiraj** » 15 May 2020 02:12

Marketing ploy to sell those transports......

chola · Post by **chola** » 15 May 2020 02:33

Prithwiraj wrote:Marketing ploy to sell those transports......

If they had wealthier fliends they'll sell better. Obviously cheaper than the C-17. But more than the IL-76 which is around $60M per when the Russkies were making them. I'd say $80-100m. Maybe Thailand can buy exactly 1. Maybe Paki can buy 1 with "fliendship plice." I don't see many on this list that can afford it.

Prithwiraj · Post by **Prithwiraj** » 15 May 2020 02:47

It can easily draw notice of potential buyers outside these countries.....just like any other marketing strategy you can promote impression and awareness and later try to optimize the marketing funnel by converting it.

chola · Post by **chola** » 16 May 2020 16:05

Rare subject: the GX-6 ASW platform. Based on the ubiqitous Y-8/9 four-engined turboprop.

Are they bombs as the poster says? Maybe depth charges? Possibly capsuled torpedoes? Definitely not iron bombs.

https://mobile.twitter.com/dafengcao/st ... 8306941952

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GX-6 weapon bay and bombs.

chola · Post by **chola** » 16 May 2020 16:13

More on the GX-6:

Photographed by an intercepting Japanese aircraft on March 23, 2019:

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 16 May 2020 20:20

Why are those clowns in the Pakiland pic holding the Paki flag upside down? Surely the Pakis would have a bit more dignity, or is that asking too much?

chetonzz · Post by **chetonzz** » 16 May 2020 20:24

Mort Walker wrote:Why are those clowns in the Pakiland pic holding the Paki flag upside down? Surely the Pakis would have a bit more dignity, or is that asking too much?

They are mimicing as if both flags are sharing one n same “khamba”

chola · Post by **chola** » 16 May 2020 20:36

Mort Walker wrote:Why are those clowns in the Pakiland pic holding the Paki flag upside down? Surely the Pakis would have a bit more dignity, or is that asking too much?

Lol. I didn't notice! Hilarious. lol

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 16 May 2020 21:49

Mort Walker wrote:Why are those clowns in the Pakiland pic holding the Paki flag upside down? Surely the Pakis would have a bit more dignity, or is that asking too much?

Hilarious!! First PTV states that IK Niazi was Begging in place of Beijing (excuse misspelling - Really?), and now we see the Puki flag kneeling before China.

But more seriously - while Indians debate about local vs imports, the Chinese are building a vast MIC. We can laugh all we want but this gives them credibility in the eyes of several smaller nations (Africa, Middle East etc.) We can keep importing to our peril.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 16 May 2020 21:53

Mort Walker wrote:Why are those clowns in the Pakiland pic holding the Paki flag upside down? Surely the Pakis would have a bit more dignity, or is that asking too much?

Nothing wrong here! Flying a flag upside-down is conventional protocol to indicate an emergency or problem, where's the error?

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 16 May 2020 22:00

Vivek K wrote: But more seriously - while Indians debate about local vs imports, the Chinese are building a vast MIC. We can laugh all we want but this gives them credibility in the eyes of several smaller nations (Africa, Middle East etc.) We can keep importing to our peril.

The real takeaway, which should be a lesson for all us, is that the Chinese have leveraged their manufacturing, scientific, engineering, and academic base toward their MIC. In India - industry is treated as a pariah that must be heavily taxed and regulated because they're out to rip off the country.

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 16 May 2020 22:28

It doesn't look like the GOI cares about industry. I think they feel that the industrialists are sitting on springs of wealth and therefore the more they are harassed, the more GOI's revenues will go up. There is a basic gap in understanding economics it seems.All of the recent efforts of the GOI are to throw billions at the farm industry - which is one the most inefficient in the world and pays not a single dollar in taxation. Free power is given to farmers while raising the price of power for industry to pay for this freebie. But it helps the politicians shore up votes. Indian farmers are the biggest money launderers in the world and get away scot free while industrialists become immediate targets and are losing billions. The hold of politicians over the national economy and their ability to launch mind boggling programs of sheer waste should be stopped. Incentives for industry to widen employment opportunities are needed. The farmers need help in improving crop yields and modern tools and techniques.

chola · Post by **chola** » 16 May 2020 22:41

Lisa wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:Why are those clowns in the Pakiland pic holding the Paki flag upside down? Surely the Pakis would have a bit more dignity, or is that asking too much?
Nothing wrong here! Flying a flag upside-down is conventional protocol to indicate an emergency or problem, where's the error?

That's right, Lisa! It's the universal distress signal. "Someone help us! Chinis got us by the ..."

chola · Post by **chola** » 16 May 2020 22:47

Vivek K wrote:It doesn't look like the GOI cares about industry. I think they feel that the industrialists are sitting on springs of wealth and therefore the more they are harassed, the more GOI's revenues will go up. There is a basic gap in understanding economics it seems.All of the recent efforts of the GOI are to throw billions at the farm industry - which is one the most inefficient in the world and pays not a single dollar in taxation. Free power is given to farmers while raising the price of power for industry to pay for this freebie. But it helps the politicians shore up votes. Indian farmers are the biggest money launderers in the world and get away scot free while industrialists become immediate targets and are losing billions. The hold of politicians over the national economy and their ability to launch mind boggling programs of sheer waste should be stopped. Incentives for industry to widen employment opportunities are needed. The farmers need help in improving crop yields and modern tools and techniques.

See my post in the Indian economy thread on the "Erhardian Bargain."

This is what Germany and every country in the Far East entered into in order to industrialize. Basically, you put industry above people for a generation or two:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7613&start=4960#p2432758

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 May 2020 12:26

China reportedly hugely expanding the atoll obtained on lease from the Maldives,by land reclamation to turn it into a full- fledged military base including an airstrip as its land-grabbing was done in the Spratlys.The GOI should immddiately pressurise hhd Maldives govt. to cancel the lease forthwith and that no base for military or logistic purposes can be set up by China anywhere in the country.

chola · Post by **chola** » 18 May 2020 14:23

A month after this:

Their lead Type 075 looks back on track with white smoke instead of black. Most likely an engine test.

The second vessel of the class is in the front. It was launched a few weeks after the fire on the first.

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I'm not sure but could this be the Type 075 LHD's first main engine test? Thinking face

chola · Post by **chola** » 21 May 2020 14:27

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The transport barge to carry the modules for the Type 003 carrier from the construction site to the dry dock for final assembly has been launched today at the Jiangnan Shipyard.

Length: 250m
Beam: 60m
Max load: 32000 tons

This is what the barge will carry. It is literally a model set except it's over 80k tons. lol

wig · Post by **wig** » 25 May 2020 19:30

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... GzHcI.html

Army Chief Naravane’s 2012 prophecy on Chinese strategy rings true in Ladakh sector
Given that India has been upgrading its infrastructure along the border with China since 2014, officials say some amount of border friction is going to be the reality of the day

excerpts

Back in the autumn of 2012, a senior faculty member at the Mhow-based Army War College published a paper on the China’s war zone campaign (WZC). Beijing would, the army officer argued, seek to coerce smaller adversaries into acceding to China’s demand through graded threat of force or actual use of force till its ends are met.

The officer, then Brigadier Manoj Mukund Naravane, wrote that the political objective of this Chinese concept is unveiled by “occupation of certain un-held tract of land or high value targets’. This would be done through elite forces.

and

The first would be the domination-cum-deterrence (DCD) phase where the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) would focus on building up its presence in the territory in question to deter the enemy. In the second phase, Gaining Initiative by Striking First (GISF), it would deploy rapid reaction units to strike first to wrest the initiative from the enemy. The last stage is the Quick Battle Quick Resolution where the PLA would use a dedicated division level force. But the PLA, the senior army officer said in his seminal paper published in Scholar Warrior, a journal published by the Delhi-based think tank Center For Land Warfare Studies, expects to achieve its objective in the first two phases.

chola · Post by **chola** » 25 May 2020 19:33

I vaguely recalled coming across this many many moons ago during J-10/LCA flamewars around 2000. To think what might have happened. The LCA, J-10 and JF-17 all entangled.

Kartik ji! Your post was mentioned in the thread!

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Something very much different I stumbled across as the SDF and indeed a major surprise I did not know!

Any idea when this was proposed and where this report is from (looks like from FlightInternational)?
Imagine, if things had turned differently, a JF-17 in IAF-colors

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 26 May 2020 08:27

China is evacuating all its nationals from India,say reports. Scared that Chin bowels will evacuate if still in India if the shit hits the fan!

chola · Post by **chola** » 26 May 2020 14:53

Philip wrote:China is evacuating all its nationals from India,say reports. Scared that Chin bowels will evacuate if still in India if the shit hits the fan!

I read the announcement, not all that welcoming. The evacuees are asked to pay for the flight AND for two weeks of quarantine in Cheen. It is almost like a grudging obligation that every nation provides for their nationals but here they don't want people to actually take up the offer.

They are locking down flights with each airlines including those flying to the US to just one flight a week because they are scare to death of a second wave. The MNCs had been clamoring to get people to their operations in China but can't. Trump is threatening them on this front too. Cheen is turning inward in a way that is pretty astonishing for a trading nation.

chola · Post by **chola** » 26 May 2020 15:26

So it seems both of their carriers are out at sea. CV-16 had been tooling around the Pacifuc for a few weeks. CV-17 left port yesterday.

Story is that they will converge on Taiwan for "war games."

Seven of 11 USN carriers are out at sea too. The USS Reagan has left homeport Yokosuka, Japan. USS Reagan has sailed from Guam. USS Nimitz and Lincoln has departed San Diego. A lot of carriers in or heading towards the Western Pacific.

This should be fun.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... asion.html

China plans to deploy two aircraft carriers off Taiwan for war games to stoke tensions with Washington as Beijing warns of a 'new Cold War' amid virus blame game

By Ralph R. Ortega For Dailymail.com
22:49 EDT 25 May 2020 , updated 02:32 EDT 26 May 2020

China is reportedly sending its two new aircraft carriers into war games near the Pratas Islands, playing into fears that a Taiwan invasion could be next as tensions with the US continue to worsen.

The aircraft carriers Liaoning and Shandong are currently in Bohai Bay in the Yellow Sea on a combat readiness mission before the massive ships head into the war games. The move comes after Chinese Premier Li Keqiang expressed Beijing's desire to 'reunify' with self-ruled Taiwan, an apparent policy shift.

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brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 26 May 2020 18:56

The 7 US carriers out at sea is not abnormal given what they are doing. Most of those deployments could have been predicted or otherwise explained. CVN-78 (Ford) is strictly doing CQ's in support of East Cost carrier readiness. The plan to cycle up her EMALS/AAG after she returned to sea and hten transition to CQ's was revealed last year so is no surprise. It can't deploy for combat. CVN 71 (T. Roosevelt) likewise is doing CQ's to get her air-wing back into shape after a pause due to COVID-19 cases. Had it not been for COVID-19, it would have been deployed in the region anyways.

CVN-76 (Reagan) was always scheduled to deploy in this time-frame, and is was working up with sea-trials in preparation for the deployment as it went underway earlier this month. Likewise, CVN-68 (Nimitz) was expected to deploy this time of the year as well, and was doing a COMPTUEX in preparation for the deployment last month. CVN-69 (Ike) is supporting CENTCOM AOR so not relevant. She was operating in the Red Sea earlier this year.

CVN-72 (Lincoln) is probably the only carrier out of the lot that had its deployment moved up (though no way to confirm as USN no longer discloses deployment schedules in advance) but that's probably because they had little idea on how fast Roosevelt would recover operational capability given her COVID-19 outbreak.

US Carriers generally deploy at an establishes cadence and not only when needed or during heightened tensions. Its a near constant global deployment with few gaps in between. The fighting ability of the Chinese carriers is still questionable given how new they are to this and given they are still developing their carrier program.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 27 May 2020 03:57

chola wrote:I vaguely recalled coming across this many many moons ago during J-10/LCA flamewars around 2000. To think what might have happened. The LCA, J-10 and JF-17 all entangled.

Kartik ji! Your post was mentioned in the thread!

https://mobile.twitter.com/RupprechtDei ... 4885854208

@Rupprecht_A
@RupprechtDeino

Something very much different I stumbled across as the SDF and indeed a major surprise I did not know!

Any idea when this was proposed and where this report is from (looks like from FlightInternational)?
Imagine, if things had turned differently, a JF-17 in IAF-colors

It was a report in Flight International from 1994. Yes, I'd mentioned this on BRF many many years ago.

Ardeshir · Post by **Ardeshir** » 27 May 2020 05:44

https://www.jenniferzengblog.com/home/xu-yan-speech

From Jennifer Zeng, a translation of General Xu Yan's speech.

Xinjiang and Tibet are the weaknesses of China. Furthermore, there was an "Umbrella Revolution" which sought independence for Hong Kong. The international anti-China forces want to turn Hong Kong into a bridgehead to oppose the Communist Party.

新疆、西藏是中國的軟肋。另外，香港還有鬧港獨的雨傘革命。就是國際反華勢力想把香港變成反共橋頭堡。

The young people are creating chaos, and the key reason is their parents are bad. Education is another problem.

現在的年輕人鬧事，關鍵是他的家長壞，加上這個教育問題。

When we took back Hong Kong in 1997, I had participated, together with leaders of the People's Liberation Army Hong Kong garrison, in the study of Hong Kong's social conditions.

1997年接收香港的時候，我跟駐港部隊領導一起參加研究香港的社情。

Hong Kong's social foundation, to tell you the truth based on the facts, is the worst in China, even worse than Taiwan.

香港的社會基礎，咱們實事求是講，是中國最壞的地方，比台灣都壞。

In his book "The Analysis of Various Classes in Chinese Society," Chairman Mao said, when you analyze the situation of a place, you should first analyze its class composition and social status.

毛主席當年講，「中國社會各階級分析」，你分析一個地方行嗎，你首先分析它社會狀況。

In Taiwan, there are not that many people who really oppose the Communist Party. 80 percent of the original Taiwanese are indifferent to the Communist Party. The other 20 percent who went there had been captured by the Kuomintang [the nationalist party defeated by the Chinese Communist Party] and later became soldiers.

台灣真正反共的人並不多，當地居民80%，對共產黨無所謂，去的20% 很多是抓壯丁去的。

Hong Kong is different. When we took over Hong Kong in 1997 and analyzed the composition of its residents, [we found] that there were three thirds. One-third [of the residents] were the native born and their descendants, educated within the British Hong Kong system. These people are somewhat arrogant. However, they don't hate mainland China that much.

香港可不一樣，香港 1997年咱們接管的時候，當時分析居民成分，三個三分之一。三分之一是香港原住民和他們的後代，受港英教育，他有點傲氣，但是對大陸還沒什麼怨恨。

One-third of them are the worst. They ran to Hong Kong [from China] during 1949 and 1950 after being purged, stricken, driven out, and deprived of everything by the Communist Party. Many of these people hate the Communist Party with every fiber of their beings.

三分之一是最壞的，1949年、1950年被共產黨清算、鬥爭、掃地出門跑過去的。對你刻骨仇恨，很多人。

Another one-third suffered starvation during the Three Years of Difficulties (the Great Chinese Famine from 1959 to 1961). Those people smuggled themselves to Hong Kong as asylum seekers during the Cultural Revolution. How can you expect this kind of people to have good thoughts about the Communist Party?

再有三分之一，三年困難挨餓，文化大革命偷渡，對你印象好得了嗎？

To sum up, after we took back Hong Kong, we made a big mistake. [That was, we promised that] nothing would be changed. How would that do if you don't decolonize everything?

香港回歸之後，就有一個大失誤，現在也總結，一切都不變，你不去殖民化怎麼行呢？

After more than 20 years since we took back Hong Kong, they are still using textbooks of the British Dependent Territories. Furthermore, when we wanted to change the textbooks, the parents didn't allow it. So why are the students, the young people, bad? Because their parents are bad. They didn’t allow us to change the textbooks. For more than 20 years, hey are still using textbooks of the British Dependent Territories.

這香港回歸二十多年，教材還是用港英、英國屬土民教材，而且原来想改教材，家長不讓改。學生壞、年輕人壞，是家長壞，不讓改教材。現在這20多年還是英國屬土民教材

So why are these young students creating chaos? Because their education is really bad. The education system has problems.

現在這些年輕人鬧事，他教育糟糕，是教育出了問題。

I think it is now the time for us to act. A big lesson for us in the past, is that we emphasized too much “two systems” [the policy governing Hong Kong is “one country/two systems”]. We didn’t emphasize “one country.”

我覺得現在就是採取措施。過去我們講一個大教訓，過分強調兩制，沒強調一國。

Last year, after our new Chief Executive, Carrie Lam, took office, I think she did two things very well.

去年咱們新特首林鄭月娥上來之後，就兩件事幹得好。

First, those who participated in “Occupy Central” [a civil disobedience campaign aimed at reforming the electoral system in Hong Kong] and created chaos were sentenced.

第一件事，佔中鬧事的，給他判刑。

Second, starting from this year, they have been changing the textbooks. You should use textbooks for Chinese citizens. How can you use textbooks for citizens of the British Dependent Territories?

第二個來講，從今年開始，教材得改。你得用中國公民的教材，你怎麼能用英國屬土公民教材？

We need to educate these people. You are all educators here. You all understand this. If you want to educate these people, you cannot achieve your goal in one or two years. Education is a long-term issue

但是，把這些人教育過來，在座的搞教育的人都知道，可不是一年兩年能辦到的事，這個教育還是個長期的問題。

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 May 2020 09:39

^ This isn't new, a year old. But, shows the Chinese approach.

Ardeshir · Post by **Ardeshir** » 27 May 2020 11:00

Yes sir, apologies, should have added that. Just wanted to highlight their self-perceived weakness in Tibet too.

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 27 May 2020 14:34

Time to definitely screw their 5G contract bidding chance until they withdraw

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 28 May 2020 00:54

I think it is time for India to give nuclear warheads to Vietnam mounted on Brahmos missiles.

chola · Post by **chola** » 28 May 2020 15:16

Mort Walker wrote:I think it is time for India to give nuclear warheads to Vietnam mounted on Brahmos missiles.

I wish we'd stop it with we should give this, that and the other guy nooks. One, we are not proliferators like the damn pukes and chinis. Two, it also shows a lack of understanding who actually controls the eastern periphery around Cheen and ultimately how that affects India. The one that controls this region is the United States. Unkil says who gets what around Cheen. Unkil's position here is one reason why we have overwhelming advantages on our own border with Cheen. The lizard is scared sh1tless of its vulnerabilities. All of its most valuable assets are within reach of the USN or USAF bases. So the vast perponderance of its military strength will always be facing east.

chola · Post by **chola** » 28 May 2020 15:27

The CBJ -- COMAC (or Commie) Business Jet. The CBJ is a VVIP with a reconfigured cabin of 12 to 29 seats, a conference room, a bedroom for the mistress ...

Anyhoo, it means chinis are now building variants of the ARJ-21. Watch for mil related variants soon.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 30 May 2020 02:55

https://twitter.com/DefenceDecode/statu ... 65536?s=20 ---> The Mighty Chinese PLA's MBT Type-96B/ZTZ-96B

chola · Post by **chola** » 30 May 2020 03:30

^^^ That happened in front of an international audience at the 2018 Tank Biathlon, killed off a lot export orders:

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 30 May 2020 10:30

hope the crew wasnt executed !!!

chola · Post by **chola** » 30 May 2020 10:41

manjgu wrote:hope the crew wasnt executed !!!

Applied for asylum in Russia (where the Biathlon was held.)

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 30 May 2020 15:32

.. to work as double agents and steal even more tech to pass it back to the land of the dlagon

chola · Post by **chola** » 31 May 2020 12:44

Their 13K tons Type 055 destroyer under replenishment. The 8th of the class is rumored to be launched soon:

https://mobile.twitter.com/10969YUKIKAZ ... 3804946432

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 01 Jun 2020 02:54

China's giant wind tunnel to accelerate development of warplanes

The wind tunnel, called FL-62, conducted its first operation on Tuesday by running a test for an undisclosed new aircraft.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 03 Jun 2020 03:55

FC-31 prototype is again up in the air.

MeshaVishwas · Post by **MeshaVishwas** » 03 Jun 2020 06:37

NSFHunger