https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1272824033747152898Ok just got confirmation from top level sources. We have in fact killed 5 of their soldiers including a PLA officer. Our 3 soldiers are having autopsies done to ascertain cause of death. they had fallen down a very steep slope/ravine around PP14 (at a height of 14,500 feet)
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it was scheduled a while back.Larry Walker wrote:I see a news scroll that PM and DM will updates CM's in a VC later today, not sure of veracity of the news or whether it was a scheduled interaction or something called in urgency. If true, then situation is more serious than what is currently reported.
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Hmmm, pushing and shoving by both sides on a ridge until people began falling over?veejey wrote:https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1272824033747152898Ok just got confirmation from top level sources. We have in fact killed 5 of their soldiers including a PLA officer. Our 3 soldiers are having autopsies done to ascertain cause of death. they had fallen down a very steep slope/ravine around PP14 (at a height of 14,500 feet)
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I would wait for better source. It is Galwan "valley". They are not on the heights. There is too much politics around some of the handles.
Somebody feeds them stories..
Somebody feeds them stories..
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Beijing is 2.5 hrs ahead of us in Time. if required they could have broken this news to world first but what is there official response till now?
why stoic silence from them?
why stoic silence from them?
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The faceoff is right by the Galwan river. Sure, one could get fatally injured if one falls into the river but the 14500 feet part is meaningless here, it's not like it's a ravine with a 14500 foot drop. All of that area is highly elevated.veejey wrote:https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1272824033747152898Ok just got confirmation from top level sources. We have in fact killed 5 of their soldiers including a PLA officer. Our 3 soldiers are having autopsies done to ascertain cause of death. they had fallen down a very steep slope/ravine around PP14 (at a height of 14,500 feet)
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Just noticed one thing, Bareilly Airbase to Ngari airport as the crow flies is around 412Km, Within range of SU 30 strikes? Only thing is 7 Su 30's are neetly lined up showign themselves to the sun with no blast proof pens.
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Now the usual twitter suspects are suggesting that the Indian casualties are set to go up from what has been declared so far.
Also, the Chinese Foreign affairs spokesperson apparently denied any knowledge of Galwan skirmish, let alone casualties.
Also, the Chinese Foreign affairs spokesperson apparently denied any knowledge of Galwan skirmish, let alone casualties.
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Permanent member of the UN, Communist Super Power CHINA kills three soldiers of the Democratic Nation of India after a border incident during a well planned and orchestrated border invasion of India.
Suggest we tweet this and take the war on cyberspace, ON !
Suggest we tweet this and take the war on cyberspace, ON !
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There were reports of IA presser at 14:00 IST. Anyone knows if that happened?
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As per Ajai Shukla:
Doesnt matter if he is not well liked here, still a news worth noting
https://twitter.com/ajaishukla/status/1 ... 09536?s=20Now hearing that the casualty count on the Indian side is significantly higher than what the initial reports stated. Also, many Indian soldiers captured and then released, an Indian major still held by the Chinese.
Doesnt matter if he is not well liked here, still a news worth noting
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If there are captives then that further explains talks and deescalation. It is the capture and negotiation of Abhi and the aftermath of Balakot all over again.AdityaM wrote:As per Ajai Shukla:
https://twitter.com/ajaishukla/status/1 ... 09536?s=20Now hearing that the casualty count on the Indian side is significantly higher than what the initial reports stated. Also, many Indian soldiers captured and then released, an Indian major still held by the Chinese.
Doesnt matter if he is not well liked here, still a news worth noting
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Let's hold our horses. You don't know what is true or false, because his reports are very biased. Since nobody can confirm or deny any story, unless the people involved, the shukla has lot of leave way to make up stories.
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I am reminded of Modi taking potshots at Manmohan for not speaking up as Prime Minister of nation but he seems to be following the same over last 2-3 years. Going by the precedents of Uri and Balakot , we can expect limited retaliation after 10-15 days. Also , had Pakistan been sorted after 27-28 Feb , China would have got a message and not got emboldened. We deserve better political leadership to complement the heroism of our brave defense forces.
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Got this in one of the WhatsApp Group for auto enthusiasts:Aditya_V wrote:Just noticed one thing, Bareilly Airbase to Ngari airport as the crow flies is around 412Km, Within range of SU 30 strikes? Only thing is 7 Su 30's are neetly lined up showign themselves to the sun with no blast proof pens.
Insane amount of Sukhois taking off from Pune Airbase. Last time this happened a day before 2019 Balakot Air Strike.
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Pakistan and China are different cases. Don't mix up issues.Pashupatastra wrote:I am reminded of Modi taking potshots at Manmohan for not speaking up as Prime Minister of nation but he seems to be following the same over last 2-3 years. Going by the precedents of Uri and Balakot , we can expect limited retaliation after 10-15 days. Also , had Pakistan been sorted after 27-28 Feb , China would have got a message and not got emboldened. We deserve better political leadership to complement the heroism of our brave defense forces.
Yes we all want immediate results. But don't jump the gun. Prefer not to have this self flagellating here.
Also request you to consider picking a more human name
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Now there are reports of our tolls being in Double digits. This is pure murder, of attacking a camp with improvised weapons with an intention to kill as many as they can.
This sure has put Modi in an extremely tight spot. Those of a Kejriwal disposition have erupted in priapic glee.
I could hear combat aircraft from my abode here in Pune, and I am atleast 50kms from the airport.
This sure has put Modi in an extremely tight spot. Those of a Kejriwal disposition have erupted in priapic glee.
I could hear combat aircraft from my abode here in Pune, and I am atleast 50kms from the airport.
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Best to ignore trolls
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Details of face off between IA and PLA by Nitin Gokhale
https://youtu.be/7sUKEmEePXc
https://youtu.be/7sUKEmEePXc
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The Col. killed was supposed to be the officer heading de- escalation talks on our side.I suspect it was a well- planned Chinko move,as casualties on our side are expected to rise,with some reportedly in captivity incl.a major.
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Your analysis. Democracies never go to war. Autocratic, security state dictatorships go to war which both pak and China are which leads to their self destruction. Take that into account too.Pashupatastra wrote:I am reminded of Modi taking potshots at Manmohan for not speaking up as Prime Minister of nation but he seems to be following the same over last 2-3 years. Going by the precedents of Uri and Balakot , we can expect limited retaliation after 10-15 days. Also , had Pakistan been sorted after 27-28 Feb , China would have got a message and not got emboldened. We deserve better political leadership to complement the heroism of our brave defense forces.
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Divya Kumar Soti - Yesterday there were Brigadier and Colonel level talks with Chinese in Galwan. A colonel has been martyred on the Indian side. Was he the one who was representing us in talks? Are we staring at Alauddin Khilji level of treachery by Chinese commies?
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sajo wrote:Now there are reports of our tolls being in Double digits. This is pure murder, of attacking a camp with improvised weapons with an intention to kill as many as they can.
This sure has put Modi in an extremely tight spot. Those of a Kejriwal disposition have erupted in priapic glee.
I could hear combat aircraft from my abode here in Pune, and I am atleast 50kms from the airport.
This is the other shoe dropping? If the IAF is in the air in force then we are ready to go kinetic if talks fail.veejey wrote:Insane amount of Sukhois taking off from Pune Airbase. Last time this happened a day before 2019 Balakot Air Strike.
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twitter is buzzing with Jharkand stopping the train with manpower for border construction from leaving the state.
If its real, Time to dissolve the state and make certain things clear to all and sundry..
If its real, Time to dissolve the state and make certain things clear to all and sundry..
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No, they could be staying non-combatants. That area might become a warzone.RajaRudra wrote:twitter is buzzing with Jharkand stopping the train with manpower for border construction from leaving the state.
If its real, Time to dissolve the state and make certain things clear to all and sundry..
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The thing is Chinese are not going to entertain local satraps. Chinese will just put a gun out. All rights work in democracy but these kind of trolling is not going to be fruitless...a Kejriwal disposition have erupted in priapic glee
Which seemed to have been lost for decades now by our loud mouth politicians. The Chinese may behave that they are fighting for pakis but they will put out gun on pakis too. Our problem is that we entertained mediaeval bs and remnants (read invaders Mughals and Brits) and now have to deal with Chinese...Autocratic, security state dictatorships go to war which both pak and China are
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jpremnath wrote:This is an unverified twitter account and her source is a news byte from Indian media...
https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1 ... 3225626624
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Live discussion.shuuro wrote:Details of face off between IA and PLA by Nitin Gokhale
https://youtu.be/7sUKEmEePXc
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Self Flagellation and Dhoti Shivering is resorted to by Politicians who do not rise to the occasion. Wars are won and lost by leadership. Pakistan and China are both practicing similar strategies of salami slicing/bleeding by a thousand cuts. We have been giving Napakis just desserts and now China too has crossed the threshold. Ironically , Pashupatastra is granted by Mukesh (Lord Shiva) so hopefully you get the jist of the name.Mukesh.Kumar wrote:Pakistan and China are different cases. Don't mix up issues.Pashupatastra wrote:I am reminded of Modi taking potshots at Manmohan for not speaking up as Prime Minister of nation but he seems to be following the same over last 2-3 years. Going by the precedents of Uri and Balakot , we can expect limited retaliation after 10-15 days. Also , had Pakistan been sorted after 27-28 Feb , China would have got a message and not got emboldened. We deserve better political leadership to complement the heroism of our brave defense forces.
Yes we all want immediate results. But don't jump the gun. Prefer not to have this self flagellating here.
Also request you to consider picking a more human name
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Nitin recap.NRao wrote:Live discussion.shuuro wrote:Details of face off between IA and PLA by Nitin Gokhale
https://youtu.be/7sUKEmEePXc
1) indian CO was awaiting compliance when Chinese attacked the CO with rods and knocked the CO down
2) at which point both sides engaged in physical blows
3) what is confirmed is that India list the CO and two other soldiers
4) Chinese casualties, at the moment, are unknown
Next live discussion at 6 pm ist
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Now we'll see a barrage of new or little used handles coming in and advocating immediate action, maybe even throw in a nuke or two . Maybe Modi should himself suit up and go to the border to satiate such people...Mukesh.Kumar wrote:Pakistan and China are different cases. Don't mix up issues.Pashupatastra wrote:I am reminded of Modi taking potshots at Manmohan for not speaking up as Prime Minister of nation but he seems to be following the same over last 2-3 years. Going by the precedents of Uri and Balakot , we can expect limited retaliation after 10-15 days. Also , had Pakistan been sorted after 27-28 Feb , China would have got a message and not got emboldened. We deserve better political leadership to complement the heroism of our brave defense forces.
Yes we all want immediate results. But don't jump the gun. Prefer not to have this self flagellating here.
Also request you to consider picking a more human name
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This is as good at shooting him down, we need to attack the Chinese at Spangur and close that camp. As usual we trusted the Chinese.NRao wrote:Nitin recap.NRao wrote:
Live discussion.
1) indian CO was awaiting compliance when Chinese attacked the CO with rods and knocked the CO down
2) at which point both sides engaged in physical blows
3) what is confirmed is that India list the CO and two other soldiers
4) Chinese casualties, at the moment, are unknown
Next live discussion at 6 pm ist
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This means we'd have definitely inflicted damage on them as well. No way it would our troops would have let it go unanswered, especially after seeing their CO go down. Let's see what happens next - if IAF is on alert, it means we are not backing down (does not mean we don't talk or telegraph our intentions).NRao wrote:Nitin recap.NRao wrote:
Live discussion.
1) indian CO was awaiting compliance when Chinese attacked the CO with rods and knocked the CO down
2) at which point both sides engaged in physical blows
3) what is confirmed is that India list the CO and two other soldiers
4) Chinese casualties, at the moment, are unknown
As for question about what was the CO doing there, our officers lead from the front, so they do end up in positions of risk more than many other forces'.
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There are many many hidden rakshaks outside of BR, you know. It takes something like this to bring them here. Tge culture here will make them more rational but their heart is in the right place.arshyam wrote:Now we'll see a barrage of new or little used handles coming in and advocating immediate action, maybe even throw in a nuke or two . Maybe Modi should himself suit up and go to the border to satiate such people...Mukesh.Kumar wrote:
Pakistan and China are different cases. Don't mix up issues.
Yes we all want immediate results. But don't jump the gun. Prefer not to have this self flagellating here.
Also request you to consider picking a more human name
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first of all om shanti to the souls of martyred. Secondly, asking for a kungfu unit is the stupidest thing i have heard on the forum in my stint going two decades. Let's not speculate till we have full details, but chinese need to be given some medicine for sure...
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Well , it is better to speak up in time and express genuine emotions than do a desultory analysis of status quo. We have enough people who are satisfied by kadi ninda of politicians and move on. Modi should get on to the national television and address the nation . Did we all not miss the same in the aftermath of 26/11 ?arshyam wrote:Now we'll see a barrage of new or little used handles coming in and advocating immediate action, maybe even throw in a nuke or two . Maybe Modi should himself suit up and go to the border to satiate such people...Mukesh.Kumar wrote:
Pakistan and China are different cases. Don't mix up issues.
Yes we all want immediate results. But don't jump the gun. Prefer not to have this self flagellating here.
Also request you to consider picking a more human name
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Talk and statements are useless, no need for Modi to come on TV, what is need cold calculative action on the ground.
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Saar, just egging on blindly is as good as parroting opposition taunts about "56 inch" etc. without even knowing what happened. We all know where the heart of our political opposition is, so no point giving some space for such nonsense. No military would rush blindly into conflict, and simply piping up about destroying things is not going to help.chola wrote:There are many many hidden rakshaks outside of BR, you know. It takes something like this to bring them here. Tge culture here will make them more rational but their heart is in the right place.
There was a news discussion I was watching just now on TV, and an "analyst" was criticizing Modi for talking to the CMs about dealing with corona when something like this happened. Never mind that this meeting was scheduled in advance, this worthy seems to want the PM to be on hair-trigger alert and drop everything he is doing and immediately react with whatever he has, for every small provocation. Even if he plans to do something, would Modi be such a fool to telegraph his intentions by immediately meeting with CMs and discussing war? That, sadly, is the level of analysis in our public domain and we get some of that here too...
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Whatever happens next, I have utmost faith in our leadership. They have not let us down till now. Neither in 2016 nor in 2019. What we need to do down is support the army and have faith in modi so that they will not be pressured to act in haste.
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The Lt. Gen. in discussions with Nitin, mentioned that IA always had a high res recording device that recorded any event with the Chinese. And, the recording included date, time, long, late. Never trust the Chinese.