India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 24 Jun 2020 23:58

I'm surprised that CAIR hasn't showed up here so far.

Sikh community in Lakewood demands hate crime charges after store owner is run over
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/c ... s-run-over
"The attacker started going off on them, telling them that they didn’t belong in this country, telling them that they were from the Middle East," Amrith Kaur Aakre, legal director for the Sikh Coalition said.

Breemen faces a long list of charges including attempted murder, but the Sikh community wants him charged with a hate crime. They believe there is clear evidence the crime was motivated by bias because Breemen told Singh to go back to his country and told officers he was an Arab.

"Terrible crimes of violence occurred here but that is not the underlying offense. The underlying offense is the bias motivation," Aakre said.

Avtar Singh · Post by **Avtar Singh** » 25 Jun 2020 00:12

This white supremacist is wanted for spray painting Nazi emblems on gravestones..............

Looks very brown! with a very thin black haired moustached

https://twitter.com/DarrenPlymouth/stat ... 7455087621

how these PakChin/commies play games

FLICs fake liberals/islamist/communists

https://www.rt.com/usa/492760-fake-noos ... a-wallace/
no doubt bbc/grauniad will still continue with the "white supremacist" narrative

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 25 Jun 2020 18:51

There are many such Hindu idols all over the US. This is where indic organizations in US fail Hindus. I see so many Hindu organizations and temples take donations and go on photo op by donating to already well to do mainstream places. Instead, they should have been utilizing every penny of such donations for Hindu causes. I also blame Hindus who continue to donate without grilling temple managements.

This is also a failure on Indian embassy.

Las Vegas hotel issues apology and decides to remove Lord Mahavira statue after complaints of disrespect and hurting religious sentiments
https://www.opindia.com/2020/06/las-veg ... o-apology/
The Foundation Room, the owners of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas on Wednesday announced that they will remove statues of various Hindu and Jain deities from the venue after religious leaders, social media users objected to the highly inappropriate and disrespectful display of their deities.

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 26 Jun 2020 06:52

Moving Europe troops to counter China threat to India and other countries: US.

In a statement that pitches the US as a factor in the IndiaChina military face-off, secretary of state Mike Pompeo said on Thursday that China’s “threats to India” and Southeast Asia were among the main reasons for the US’s move to reduce its troops in Europe.

The decision to draw down troops in Germany was part of a well-thought out strategy because they were being moved to other places, Pompeo
told the Brussels Forum. US President Donald Trump recently announced that the US would be reducing troops from Germany, a decision that’s
angered EU countries.

The actions of the Chinese Communist Party, Pompeo said, meant there were “threats to India” and countries like Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines and the South China Sea. “We are going to make sure we are postured appropriately to counter the PLA. We think that is the challenge of our time and we are going to make sure we have resources in place to do that,” he said.

Running through a list of aggressive Chinese actions, Pompeo spoke about the “bloody border confrontation with India”, Beijing’s activities in the South China Sea and its predatory economic policies. He also announced that the US and the EU would start a dialogue on China and the challenges it poses. It would help the trans-Atlantic alliance to build a “common understanding of the threat posed by China”. Pompeo said the two sides needed “a collective data set” on China’s actions so the two could take action together. Europe is often accused of being “naive” about China, taking a much more benevolent attitude to China’s designs.

Asked whether Huawei was part of the Chinese “surveillance state”, he said Chinese security forces personnel worked on the top floor of the company headquarters and Chinese law required Huawei to pass any data, including personal, to the Chinese Communist Party whenever the latter asked.

On Wednesday, Pompeo had flagged what he called “clean telcos”, that is, companies that were “free” of Chinese influence. “The tide is turning towards trusted 5G vendors and away from Huawei. The world’s leading telecom companies — Telefonica, Orange, Jio, Telstra and many more — are becoming ‘clean telcos’. They are rejecting doing business with tools of the CCP surveillance state, like Huawei,” he said.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 26 Jun 2020 10:31

A well thought out strategy!! Sure. Since Trump could not get Germany to pay more for stationing US troops in Germany.

And, those troops being withdrawn from Germany ...... are coming back to defend America's borders.

Or perhaps roll down a street in front of the White House for his annual parade.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 26 Jun 2020 17:19

With Chinese courting Germans by allowing their businesses inside China first, it does bring up the topic of whether EU will stand with US in so far fake US vs China WWE fight.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 26 Jun 2020 18:25

This has been covered before. Does Biden have any agenda on paper for Hindu American community? If not then no votes for Biden. There are more Muslims in this world than Hindus. A person caring for rights of minorities would have written about Hindu rights over muslim rights.

Democratic Presidential nominee Joe Biden demands the ‘restoration of people’s rights’ in Kashmir; expresses his disapproval for CAA-NRC
https://www.opindia.com/2020/06/democra ... r-caa-nrc/
A policy paper—’Joe Biden’s agenda for Muslim American community’ was posted recently on his campaign website, which said that the measures (the CAA and the National Register of Citizens) are irreconcilable with the country’s long tradition of secularism and with sustaining a multi-ethnic and multi-religious democracy.

A group of Hindu Americans contacted Biden campaign to express their displeasure over the language used for India and urged it to reassess its views on India. The group has aso sought a similar policy paper on Hindu Americans.

However, the Biden campaign did not respond questions in this regard.

Ardeshir · Post by **Ardeshir** » 27 Jun 2020 12:01

Biden's inner circle has many Muslims/Pakistanis. There's a SuperPAC called the AAPI, which is chaired by a Paki called Dilawar Syed, who was also associated with Obama. Weirdly enough, there's a guy called Amit Jani on the AAPI team, but he's either just a token 'Director', or a deracinated MUTU.

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 27 Jun 2020 13:21

The current reading per news reports is that Biden has a comfortable lead over Trump and could be elected as POTUS come Nov 2020. I am stretching CT here but I think it is possible that Nidhi Razdan might be going to Harvard to advise new GOTUS on certain matters about current Indian Administration & current Indian thinking etc. She possibly may have some right insider knowledge at various levels of administration which GOTUS might use at appropriate times. She obviously is not the only subject matter expert and she would be one of many...I think she may being moved to US to prevent any sort of legal action that may be invited in India with the kind of work/content she is being contracted for. All the above is CTs ATM but I do hope I am wrong.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 27 Jun 2020 18:09

Hopefully GoI has started keeping track of organizations like Equality Labs

Time to end the Asian American ‘model minority’ story
https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/ope ... 367770.php

Next week, the anti-caste organization Equality Labs is hosting a conversation with Dr. Cornel West linking casteism in South Asian communities with racism in America.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 28 Jun 2020 17:18

Countering China's aggression: US bill seeks to train Indian fighter pilots

NEW DELHI: The United States will offer fighter jet training to India, Japan and Australia even as it plans multiple initiatives to counter China’s aggression across Asia Pacific including its standoff with India along the Line of Actual Control.

The National Defence Authorization Act (NDAA) for the 2021 fiscal year starting October, which the US Senate took up on Thursday, seeks fighter jet training detachment for India, Japan and Australia in the US Pacific territory of Guam.

Further, secretary of state Mike Pompeo on Thursday said the US is moving troops from Europe and deploying them to other places in response to the Chinese threat to India and Southeast Asian nations.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 28 Jun 2020 17:50

^^ Interesting. What drives this gratuitous generosity?

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 28 Jun 2020 18:17

Well US is not going to provide training on MKIs. Selling F-xx maal must be the motivation.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 28 Jun 2020 18:53

Yes, sales would be the only motivation. Imagine that wanting to sell these and just taking care of basic legality. There's remote possibility of providing F-xx for immediate assistance but that can't help any unless a war is some time away. For long term quad, it would make sense but that's too long term.

If meant to really send signals to Chinese then they would have approached Congress for multitude of other items.

Does US still have any sanction on India?

mappunni · Post by **mappunni** » 28 Jun 2020 23:00

For those who are suggesting that Biden has already won, I would suggest waiting for the debates when things change rapidly. Remember NYT proclaiming Hillary's lead.

I would take anything from MSM with a pinch of salt.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 28 Jun 2020 23:50

darshan wrote:Hopefully GoI has started keeping track of organizations like Equality Labs

Time to end the Asian American ‘model minority’ story
https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/ope ... 367770.php

Next week, the anti-caste organization Equality Labs is hosting a conversation with Dr. Cornel West linking casteism in South Asian communities with racism in America.

I read the article in full and at the end wondered why there was a need to write a 500 word long meandering article. It can basically be summarized as Asians (including Desis) should start caring about BLM even if their homes and businesses are burned down by the BLM rioters. We should carry our fair share of burden of making Blacks successful and how Ivy League colleges have overrepresentation of Asians compared to Blacks. Then the usual spiel about Caste, Cow and Curry.

Author Sanjena (Anshu) Sathian is a BA(English) graduate who basically never had any career and now poised to become a thought leader by the virtue of being able to write long English prose bashing her roots. Look at her Linkedin profile. https://www.linkedin.com/in/sanjena-sathian-0a4b461b/

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 29 Jun 2020 00:30

Amid India-China stand-off, top US diplomat says 'good time for New Delhi to up its investment in Quad'

New Delhi: Amid heightened tensions between India and China, top US diplomat Alice G Wells said it is “good time for New Delhi to up its investment in Quad”.

“The appearance of privileging BRIC/RIC meetings over engagement with like-minded partners is discordant,” she further added.

Wells has backed India over the current border row with China and last month she said that the US will always stand with India in pushing back against constant Chinese probing of Indian sovereignty.

Quad, an alliance of the US, Japan, India and Australia, has been a serious cause of concern for China.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 29 Jun 2020 00:37

Shouldn't it be other way around with others in quad upping their investment to convince India that the quad is for real?

Still calling this US China thing as WWE match. No permanent damages being done. And US has history of looking other way even after Chinese killed US soldiers in Korean war.

Nothing concrete so far

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 29 Jun 2020 00:47

Sales pitch during a time like this is not going to win US any friends in India. If all they can do is sell some stuff for hard money then Russia has a better track record at that and comes with no strings attached. Give money at take the goods. Such a transaction based relationship is way better than the so called quad or whatever which only amounts to duplicitous self serving commentary. If the US wants to show us something, India is still waiting.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 29 Jun 2020 02:19

Dilbu wrote:Sales pitch during a time like this is not going to win US any friends in India. If all they can do is sell some stuff for hard money then Russia has a better track record at that and comes with no strings attached. Give money at take the goods. Such a transaction based relationship is way better than the so called quad or whatever which only amounts to duplicitous self serving commentary. If the US wants to show us something, India is still waiting.

The purchase of 250 GE404 engines with spares is critical right now so Tejas Mk1A can quickly go into production. Exercise the contract options for the C-130J, P-8I, Chinooks, M777 howitzer (as it is 4,200 Kg), and Excalibur shells. Right now that would be most useful.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 29 Jun 2020 18:15

Looks like CNN's weekly anti-India news quota has been met early this week -

Indians are being held up as a model minority. That's not helping the Black Lives Matter movement

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/world/in ... index.html

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 29 Jun 2020 21:29

Ambar wrote:Looks like CNN's weekly anti-India news quota has been met early this week -

Indians are being held up as a model minority. That's not helping the Black Lives Matter movement

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/world/in ... index.html

Target Whites ... DONE
Move to Indians/Hindus .. IN PROCESS

Next Target - JEWS

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 30 Jun 2020 18:41

Defense Minister Rajnath Singh to hold talks with Defense Minister of US, Possible to discuss LAC: Sources

Defense Minister Rajnath Singh will talk to US Defense Minister Mark Esper. According to sources, discussion possible on LAC. India-US relations have strengthened in recent times.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 01 Jul 2020 10:48

California Accuses Cisco of Job Discrimination Based on Indian Employee's Caste

California regulators sued Cisco Systems Inc on Tuesday, accusing it of discriminating against an Indian-American employee and allowing him to be harassed by two managers because he was from a lower Indian caste than them.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 01 Jul 2020 23:47

vera_k wrote:California Accuses Cisco of Job Discrimination Based on Indian Employee's Caste

California regulators sued Cisco Systems Inc on Tuesday, accusing it of discriminating against an Indian-American employee and allowing him to be harassed by two managers because he was from a lower Indian caste than them.

The press release identifies and quotes the names of the 'accused' but withholds the name of the 'accuser' - Is this standard practice?

mappunni · Post by **mappunni** » 02 Jul 2020 02:40

krithivas wrote:
vera_k wrote:California Accuses Cisco of Job Discrimination Based on Indian Employee's Caste

The press release identifies and quotes the names of the 'accused' but withholds the name of the 'accuser' - Is this standard practice?

Yes, it is. When someone does not want to work and wants to use the legal system for a quick buck, this is what happens!

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 02 Jul 2020 09:09

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1 ... 7249693697

Watch the briefing of 01 JULY 2020 from 13:58-14:40.

He said that China's aggressive stance along India-China border fits with larger pattern of Chinese aggression in other parts of world. These actions only confirm true nature of Chinese Communist Party.

It's not the best support, but the clearest from any US president since JFK when the PLA attacked India in coordination with the USSR moves in the Cuban missile crisis of Oct-Nov 1962.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 02 Jul 2020 09:29

^^^There's more to this story than meets the eye. One or both of the defendants were professors in the US who moved to greener pastures in industry. Usually, the folks who have worked in industry and then come to academia to retire are more respectable, IMHO. There may have been an overall snootiness attitude toward the defendant who may not be a PhD. I've come across this myself.

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 06 Jul 2020 19:52

Mort Walker wrote:There's more to this story than meets the eye. One or both of the defendants were professors in the US who moved to greener pastures in industry. Usually, the folks who have worked in industry and then come to academia to retire are more respectable, IMHO. There may have been an overall snootiness attitude toward the defendant who may not be a PhD. I've come across this myself.

Snooty people are despised. I live in London, born and bred in the UK. The Indian community is getting over caste hangups, I think one more generation and it will be forgotten.
What is the situation in the States?
Is castism prevalent amongst first generation ?

My social circle includes all castes, high, middle, low everyone. It is human nature for individuals to use one up man ship. Caste discrimination does happen, that cannot be denied. In the UK it is normally a sign of people who are trying to hold on to some sort of "Indianess" which they think sets them apart from others they deem less Indian.

It's dying out here. We have the extreme Ambedkarites and the Arya Samaj types who go to great lengths to tell you that they are Brahmin/Khatri and then that they don't believe in caste.
Is there much conflict in the states over this ?

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 06 Jul 2020 20:25

In my social circles in US, I haven't noticed it. Matter of fact without someone telling me or I googling, I don't even know how to tell someone's caste. And now days, sometimes I can't even tell if the other person is Hindu. Lately, I seem to run into people with indic names but aren't Hindus.

I think that in GJ, it's not as much about caste as the pent up anger towards the reservation system. Decades ago that's the first time I looked at my school peers differently. Some got into colleges while many of us couldn't and our parents had to go through great lengths to get us in. That's when the first time I encountered reservation system and learned which of my schoolmates were of which caste.

Krita · Post by **Krita** » 06 Jul 2020 20:54

Ambar wrote:Looks like CNN's weekly anti-India news quota has been met early this week -

Indians are being held up as a model minority. That's not helping the Black Lives Matter movement

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/world/in ... index.html

Burundi forgot about Idi Amin, racist attacks led by blacks against Indians.
Blacks are the most racist people. The tribes used to kill babies of rival tribes by throwing them against the wall.
Entitled pos.

Krita · Post by **Krita** » 06 Jul 2020 20:54

Ambar wrote:Looks like CNN's weekly anti-India news quota has been met early this week -

Indians are being held up as a model minority. That's not helping the Black Lives Matter movement

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/world/in ... index.html

Burundi forgot about Idi Amin, racist attacks led by blacks against Indians.
Blacks are as racist as the whites based on violent crimes committed on their rival tribes and outsiders in Africa. The tribes used to kill babies of rival tribes by throwing them against the wall.
Entitled pos.

Rs_singh · Post by **Rs_singh** » 06 Jul 2020 22:56

Krita wrote:
Ambar wrote:Looks like CNN's weekly anti-India news quota has been met early this week -

Indians are being held up as a model minority. That's not helping the Black Lives Matter movement

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/world/in ... index.html
Burundi forgot about Idi Amin, racist attacks led by blacks against Indians.
Blacks are as racist as the whites based on violent crimes committed on their rival tribes and outsiders in Africa. The tribes used to kill babies of rival tribes by throwing them against the wall.
Entitled pos.

I was surprised to see 2 article on cnn front page specifically targeting Indian Americans. One is quoted above and the other was about Bollywood brown facing. Can’t find the link to the second one now. What’s more (un) surprising is that the author in both cases were PIOs.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 07 Jul 2020 02:43

Krita wrote:Burundi forgot about Idi Amin, racist attacks led by blacks against Indians.

By Burundi you mean Uganda, right?

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 07 Jul 2020 03:02

arshyam wrote:^^ Interesting. What drives this gratuitous generosity?

Suddenly on Twitter also there is abuzz this great vision : 57 F/18 Hornets for Navy & 114 F-15XE for IAF from usual US weaponery peddlers like usuf unzhawalla; who wants us to cancel development of Tejas Mk.2 and buy F16 OR F35 instead.

Believe it or not as pressure about war builds up all around suggestion of 'entering USA led Quad' + buying 'US Weaponery' is intensyfing by usual USAphiles.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 07 Jul 2020 03:11

Dilbu wrote:Well US is not going to provide training on MKIs. Selling F-xx maal must be the motivation.

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TWITTER
@YusufDFI

Boeing targeting F/A-18 Super Hornet Block III for the Indian Navy’s 57 jets requirement, and F-15EX for the Indian Air Force 114 jet requirement.

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Suddenly there are lots of articles and tweets about 'India should join US led Quad' and 'Buy US weaponery' from many handles.

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 07 Jul 2020 03:14

vijayk wrote:
Ambar wrote:Looks like CNN's weekly anti-India news quota has been met early this week -

Indians are being held up as a model minority. That's not helping the Black Lives Matter movement

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/world/in ... index.html
Target Whites ... DONE
Move to Indians/Hindus .. IN PROCESS

Next Target - JEWS

I don't think Jews will be targeted. They fund most of these agitations.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 07 Jul 2020 07:43

TWITTER
@realDonaldTrump

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...of 2,541 patients hospitalized between March 10 and May 2, 2020 across the system’s six hospitals, the study found 13% of those treated with hydroxychloroquine alone died compared to 26.4% not treated with hydroxychloroquine.” @HenryFordNews

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 73184?s=19

Krita · Post by **Krita** » 07 Jul 2020 08:04

Vayutuvan wrote:
Krita wrote:Burundi forgot about Idi Amin, racist attacks led by blacks against Indians.
By Burundi you mean Uganda, right?

I was talking about the Burundian in the article.
Idi Amin (made popular among Indian kids by Pustak Mahal's crazy despots) was not alone in his racism. Most African despots were racist and tribal including Mugabe.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 07 Jul 2020 18:16

Andaman Police to summon American nationals over Missionary John Allen Chau’s death, say he was brainwashed to go to Sentinel Islands

https://www.opindia.com/2020/07/andaman ... l-islands/

The Andaman and Nicobar Islands police is soon going to issue summons to two US nationals via the Ministry of External Affairs over the investigation into the death of John Allen Chau, an alleged Christian Missionary who was killed by the arrows of the Sentinelese tribesmen while venturing near the restricted Island.

As per a report by News 18, two US nationals, Colorado-based Bobby Par and a Tennessee-based person named Christian are soon to be summoned by the Andaman police to join the investigation. Both Par and Christian are reportedly members of a missionary organisation named All Nations Church.

“We will soon send a summon letter to Bobbie Par and Christian to join us in the ongoing probe in American tourist John Allen Chau death case,” Dependra Pathak, DGP of Andaman and Nicobar Islands was quoted by News18.