Check out his twitter handle too... too hilarious...surprised...vijayk wrote:https://twitter.com/TheZaiduLeaks/statu ... 6392256514
Don't forget to check the videoIndians are now worried as China has just deployed amphibious assault helicopter in Pangong Tso lake in Ladakh.
These attack helicopters are proven to be very deadly in battlefield as their debris during crash can kill any Indian Soldier within its range.
Checkmate India!
What is our defense?Philip wrote:Latest info says that the PLAAF is deploying several H-6 strat bombers in Ladakh.Armed withz variety of standoff missiles from 2000kmm ,they could pose a serious threat to our naval forces and shipping in the IOR. Thd PRCis also expected to also operate their H-6s from Paki air bases to offset the huge disadvantage they have against India not only in the IOR but also in the ICS.
This piece of insight from the good Lt Gen is brilliant. It's not the Indian side that so remembers that episode. It's China. Combined with Lt Gen Pr Shankar's summary, it becomes clear that the Chinese were... careless. Their intents were malicious no doubt, but it depended on the other side not being bold. When that happens, they suddenly find not just a lot of their incursions becoming untenable, but their open exposed and static positions liabilities. This is a great move by IA. In the process the Chinese have two options:Dilbu wrote:According to the good Lt. General it is up to China to find a way out. They should initiate the discussion if they want an exit and India can currently just wait it out while keeping the gains on the ground in hand.
China miscalculated India resolve, needs exit strategy now, says former Ladakh corps commander“I think the Chinese always felt and I think they sold it to themselves that Indians would be weak and they can be pushed around. Now they have realised that Indians are not a pushover,” Lt Gen Pannu told ThePrint. “They should have made these calculations earlier before they started this operation in the month of May itself. They should have known that India is not a pushover, but I think they are still living with the 1962 syndrome.”
And do what? Escalate beyond anything? Create world war 3?Philip wrote:Latest info says that the PLAAF is deploying several H-6 strat bombers in Ladakh.Armed withz variety of standoff missiles from 2000kmm ,they could pose a serious threat to our naval forces and shipping in the IOR. Thd PRCis also expected to also operate their H-6s from Paki air bases to offset the huge disadvantage they have against India not only in the IOR but also in the ICS.
I'd say sanctions, reduced market access and reduction in FDI flows are economic measures rather than diplomatic. Only non-cooperation in multilateral forums counts as diplomatic pressure and I don't think the chinis would care if we don't co-operate with them in UN etc. Not that there was much co-operation to begin with.YashG wrote:
I mentioned combo. (Dip + Mil)
Diplomatic pressure is signaled through stuff like sanctions, reduce market access, non-cooperation in multilateral forums, reduction in FDI flows etc. - All of these put an economic burden on companies. For e.g. Indian stopped buying oil from Iran, simply because US would have blacklisted us - even when we had got good rates from Iran (China did not).
Everyone is vulnerable - even if you dont show. US trade war with China is coming down heavy on XI's political career, even if China doesnt show it. Diplomatic actions increase the economic cost beyond what the direct war will incur.
This post sums up things properly. It should be made a sticky post.........must for every Brite. Thanks for posting this.wig wrote:https://www.gunnersshot.com/2020/09/sin ... d.html?m=1
from the above link
VIEWS OF LT GEN MANBIR DADWAL (RETD)
MY CORPS COMMANDER UNDER WHOM I COMMANDED MY BRIGADE IN COUNTER INSURGENCY
What we need to realise is that HAN tribe of China are no warriors.
They are slimy and will use every dirty trick to gain advantage.
Old Indian temple sculptures show Chinese stabbing Indian traders in the back.
They have never won any war other than some local ones.
We have given them too much respect after Nehru's folly.
HAN community got rapped by Koreans and Japanese
The only war they won was against India.
Thank some … idiots for that.
We can DEFEAT them any time
) is doing all he can!!Troops build-up has been noticed in the Chinese territory opposite Arunachal Pradesh's Asaphila, Tuting axis, Chang Tze and Fishtail-2 sectors, nearly 20 km from the Indian territory, top government sources told India Today TV.
The sources said it is possible that China may try to carry out more incursions in these areas and capture some dormant locations or height. They said the Indian troops are fully prepared to thwart such attempts and the forces have beefed up their strength accordingly.
The sources said movement of Chinese troops in their depth areas (around 20 km from the LAC) has been seen in the last few days using roads built by them in the area.
Looks like the PRC/PLA are hellbent on picking up a fight. If the Eastern sector opens up then the wet dreams of mine and other posters here w.r.t having a free Tibet(with small Bhutan size territory) might become a realityabhik wrote:IT: Chinese army build up seen opposite Arunachal border, Indian troops on high alert
Troops build-up has been noticed in the Chinese territory opposite Arunachal Pradesh's Asaphila, Tuting axis, Chang Tze and Fishtail-2 sectors, nearly 20 km from the Indian territory, top government sources told India Today TV.
==snip==
from a-mouse-and-elephant-love-affairnam wrote:The Chini dude on the Shiv Aroor show seem to be frustrated of the fact that GoI is not clamping down on anti-China material on Indian news.
Always good to know who one is talking to and where they are coming from!Einar Tangen, an American of mixed Korean and Norwegian descent, who has lived and worked in China for a decade (this article is from 2016).
Tangen, a lawyer and graduate of Marquette University, runs a leading architectural and interior design company in Beijing and is a respected radio and TV commentator there.
This is brilliant analysis, worth reading in full. Very clear and logical. Gen. Shankar shows Clausewitz is more pertinent than the Sun Tzu garbage people have been throwing around.pankajs wrote:https://www.gunnersshot.com/2020/09/sin ... d.html?m=1
SINO INDIAN LOGJAM : AIM , CAPABILITY AND ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS by LT GEN P R SHANKAR(R)
Looks like he is Beijing’s infantry weapons advisor too, choosing the right curtain rods for such heights need drapery genius.sraj wrote:Always good to know who one is talking to and where they are coming from!Einar Tangen, an American of mixed Korean and Norwegian descent, who has lived and worked in China for a decade (this article is from 2016).
Tangen, a lawyer and graduate of Marquette University, runs a leading architectural and interior design company in Beijing and is a respected radio and TV commentator there.
China has picked up a fight with most of its neighbors (if not all). Si it should come as no surprise that India also got some "attention". So why are they picking the fight with so many? Perhaps it could be due their perception that China is as strong as it will get (before USA gangs up on them) and it wants to gain good bargaining positions. So far no one has dared to confront China directly with force, as India has.V_Raman wrote:we are missing understanding about the angst about removal of Art 370 from China. I dont understand why they feel that way - but it is coming up repeatedly. we thought removal is to stabilize the areas we hold and develop/integrate it better. Do they really think that we will make a play for all of aksai chin in the near future? Or did they get caught up in paki noise and are fighting their war?
Tour de force of an article. Even referred to ESR Steel - Electro Slag Refined to those who want to know. Oldie mech and metallurgical engineers will appreciate.
interesting tidbit from the article -Jayram wrote:https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-army-f ... on-1531170
The article being referred by Indian news media. What we have been saying here as well.
tldr Yet the failure to push around the Indian military means Xi's ability to intimidate anyone is much reduced.
Notice also the comments - they keep harping about 1962 - these guys have just made the biggest mistake by underestimating the enemy and now they are flailing well on the way to their grandest folly - truly F^&*ed.
Quit this Sun Tzu talk. Confucius is Fortune Cookie 101. Sun Tzu is Fortune Cookie 201. Just slightly better than Nostradamus.Suraj wrote:This piece of insight from the good Lt Gen is brilliant. It's not the Indian side that so remembers that episode. It's China. Combined with Lt Gen Pr Shankar's summary, it becomes clear that the Chinese were... careless. Their intents were malicious no doubt, but it depended on the other side not being bold. When that happens, they suddenly find not just a lot of their incursions becoming untenable, but their open exposed and static positions liabilities. This is a great move by IA. In the process the Chinese have two options:Dilbu wrote:According to the good Lt. General it is up to China to find a way out. They should initiate the discussion if they want an exit and India can currently just wait it out while keeping the gains on the ground in hand.
China miscalculated India resolve, needs exit strategy now, says former Ladakh corps commander
a) Escalate several notches into a bloody shooting war to regain their lost positional advantages
b) Substantially increase the amount of intimidation hoping we'll back down.
The latter is mostly Sun Tzu playbook - try to win a war without firing a shot. Further, it plays into their stable-unstable paradox - they have the top down stability to project the tools of power, while concealing the instability associated with actually using them effectively. Far easier to just fly strategic bombers around in circles hoping SDREs turn tail and run.
Yeah, and India believed Mockba. OK.V_Raman wrote:interesting tidbit from the article -Jayram wrote:https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-army-f ... on-1531170
The article being referred by Indian news media. What we have been saying here as well.
tldr Yet the failure to push around the Indian military means Xi's ability to intimidate anyone is much reduced.
Notice also the comments - they keep harping about 1962 - these guys have just made the biggest mistake by underestimating the enemy and now they are flailing well on the way to their grandest folly - truly F^&*ed.
As Cleo Paskal of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies tells Newsweek, Moscow in April had assured India that large-scale Chinese maneuvers in its Tibet Autonomous Region were not preparations for a move below the Line.
NSG is a matter of investment driven by regulations. US nuclear energy is expensive because of the regulatory burden.Anujan wrote:I think if Cheenis downhill-ski, they are going to constrain us asymmetrically.
Deny sanctions against Paki-terrorists
Deny us membership into organizations like NSG
Deny us permanent seat in the UN
Base their forces in Paki-land and prop Pakis up etc etc
All in all, nothing more than what they have been doing already.
The way out for India is to capitalize on (belated) gora reaction that Cheenis will never be their friend. Take NSG for example -- for all of China's posturing, they just copied Areva and Westinghouse designs, called it Hualong One, paid no royalty and now are competing with western designs! China keeping India out of NSG is just to corner the nuclear market.
Now, Cheenis cant downhill Ski without Eleven losing Echandee. I am not sure how they are going to thread that needle.
“Careless” is an elegant understatement Suraj.Suraj wrote:This piece of insight from the good Lt Gen is brilliant. It's not the Indian side that so remembers that episode. It's China. Combined with Lt Gen Pr Shankar's summary, it becomes clear that the Chinese were... careless. Their intents were malicious no doubt, but it depended on the other side not being bold. When that happens, they suddenly find not just a lot of their incursions becoming untenable, but their open exposed and static positions liabilities. This is a great move by IA. In the process the Chinese have two options:Dilbu wrote:According to the good Lt. General it is up to China to find a way out. They should initiate the discussion if they want an exit and India can currently just wait it out while keeping the gains on the ground in hand.
China miscalculated India resolve, needs exit strategy now, says former Ladakh corps commander
a) Escalate several notches into a bloody shooting war to regain their lost positional advantages
b) Substantially increase the amount of intimidation hoping we'll back down.
The latter is mostly Sun Tzu playbook - try to win a war without firing a shot. Further, it plays into their stable-unstable paradox - they have the top down stability to project the tools of power, while concealing the instability associated with actually using them effectively. Far easier to just fly strategic bombers around in circles hoping SDREs turn tail and run.
In their position, I would quite likely have made the same mistake. For 60 years they've been able to maintain the assertive military doctrine at the LAC, all thanks to a defensive posture we took after a long ago war. Even though there have been subsequent resolute responses (1967, late 1970s, 1986...), by and large our strategy was dictated by trying to defend territorial positions with a military doctrine unsuited to the capabilities of the army or the realities of the opponent. Once in a while we grew a backbone, but that is all.KLNMurthy wrote:Less elegantly, what kind of dragon-poop suntzu-brain causes a country’s leadership to run a huge risk—making blood enemies of 1.3 B mostly-youthful red-blooded Indians—based on the most optimistic best-case scenario?
As others have observed, are these the grand-Civilizational intellectual giants that we are supposed to fear?
Truely TFTA!nam wrote:https://twitter.com/neeraj_rajput/statu ... 5320175616
GoI is sending out US style mobilizations images. The tweet above has a video of a IA logistics node with hundreds of trucks.
There are images of Leh with C17 dropping off supplies. IA is showing winter items, that is to be used by the troops.
Showing to the Chini we are getting ready for winter, josh me.. now it is your turn.