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New Delhi: Underground fuel dumps with a capacity of four lakh litres each, vast quantities of high-grade diesel and kerosene, and mobile Air Traffic Control (ATC) units — these arrangements form the backbone of the massive logistics operation in Ladakh where India has pumped in over 40,000 additional troops and equipment amid the ongoing stand-off with China.
Meanwhile, efforts are also underway to find an underground source of clean drinking water for soldiers in Ladakh, which has a lot of rivers and rivulets that freeze during the winter.
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Massive logistics have been put in place to house the additional troops with heated prefabricated tents, specialised clothing and high-energy rations, the source added.
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The military has deployed transport aircraft like the C-17, IL-76, C-130J, besides as many as 6,000 Army trucks to carry tonnes of rations, clothing, tents and kerosene oil into Ladakh.
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According to sources, the Army has, in the last few years, created multiple underground fuel dumps that are capable of storing up to four lakh litres each.
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The Army is thus setting up mobile ATCs in Ladakh, a set-up that is also available in Siachen. These mobile ATCs look like the OB vans of television news channels.
Another requirement that is high on the Army’s agenda is the availability of clean drinking water.
I had an 'a-ha' moment now. For a while now, veterans in the media have been pointing out that the Galwan response by India has given the Chinese pause. I wondered how a spontaneous tactical action by IA could have such strategic ramifications. Until I put it in our own context. In 1962, Gen. Kaul was visiting Thagla and forcing poor tactical deployments on 7 Bde, in the mistaken belief that the Chinese would not respond to this show of force. When the Chinese started their mortar and artillery attack, his shocked response was "My God! They mean business". And then he rushed off to Delhi to appraise the political leadership (and this is an aside - unpardonably, did not give freedom to local commanders to redeploy more intelligently). In other words, the entire underpinning of the military action was overturned.
Now transfer that to Galwan and Chushul and see what would be the effect of this action on the CMC. Whether they will continue to bluff their way forward, stay put or rethink their strategy remains to be seen.
3 of our brave hearts hv been martyred while 8 are injured in which 2 r critical in ongoing clashes with enemy along the LoC in UT J&K. In retaliatory action of IA, more than 20 soldiers of enemy hv been eliminated while dozens are injured. Warlike situation along LoC. - Baba Banaras
Multiple reports on twitter of artillery firing at LOC ..
Anoop, Search for Hari Nair posts in.this thread and my interactions.
#GalwanWarriors stopped a PLA advance towards Leh.
The longer to Chushul was delayed.
The CCP is going to have an important meeting Oct 26-29. US is very likely to be in great turmoil after the elections, i.e. Nov 5
So my 2 cents is that China will not do anything major before that. After that, depends on US election results. Since onset of winter is so close and a two front approach in collusion with Pakis is likely the favored option, India has the next few months to make its own moves or preparations. I hope India does not develop a false sense of complacency if this happens.
Wouldn't it be impactful if during the CCP meeting of Oct we have a border incident and eject their troops from parts of the North Bank of Pangong Tso? Dreaming!
The PRC,"China" means Taiwan, will be stepping into uncharted territory by starting a hot war. Thus far,they've done brilliantly by getting what they've wanted through bullying and braggadacio as we've seen in the Indo- China Sea..
The last thing they want is another backside tanning a la Vietnam.They fondly imagined that vicious sneak attacks medieval style,would see our stalwarts flee in fear.What happened was the opposite.They got their backsides roasted and Asia and the world applauded!
Xitler has lost some face internationally,but to his subjects and more importantly the PLA, the intrusions in a few areas are enough pecking points to claim and convince his tribe that he has the upper hand in Ladakh.However,by the asinine mouthings by windbags of the PRC accusing India of tresspass and not retreating, it makes it appear that we have the upper hand !
Therefore,Xitler has to save face and that of the " invincible" PLA and a greater betrayal through military attack is on the cards.Pak's arty. barrages on the LOC are meant to distract our attention while the PLA plans further aggression looking for our weakest spots.
As some of our retired generals have observed, the PLAGF's current deployments do *not* seem suitable for launching a major offensive. But, the Chinese have brought in a lot of precision guided munitions into theatre & India should be very careful when they start pulling back.
The same thing was stated by one retired general when talking to Nitin Gokhale about Chinese deployment on Doklam plateau while discussing the eastern theater situation.
ramana wrote:China is offering 1959 claim line as face saving move.
Jaishankar tweeting greetings to Wang Hui is a blow to the face.
1. Isn't the 1959 line rather to the east of where they are today? Would it mean that they will move back to the 1959 positions?
2. 1959 line also laid claim to Arunachal Pradesh, so of course from our side 1959 line would be a no-go unless it was scoped down to western sector only.
Isnt he in the AAP party. If yes, I would take it @ less than face value. I have yet to see a dis-passionate analysis without any agenda (present or future) from him.
Isnt he in the AAP party. If yes, I would take it @ less than face value. I have yet to see a dis-passionate analysis without any agenda (present or future) from him.
In this instance what do you disagree with or find an agenda in?
Isnt he in the AAP party. If yes, I would take it @ less than face value. I have yet to see a dis-passionate analysis without any agenda (present or future) from him.
What was political in this article? I couldnt find anything. Request if you could point me any objectionable part.
New Delhi: Underground fuel dumps with a capacity of four lakh litres each, vast quantities of high-grade diesel and kerosene, and mobile Air Traffic Control (ATC) units — these arrangements form the backbone of the massive logistics operation in Ladakh where India has pumped in over 40,000 additional troops and equipment amid the ongoing stand-off with China.
Meanwhile, efforts are also underway to find an underground source of clean drinking water for soldiers in Ladakh, which has a lot of rivers and rivulets that freeze during the winter.
....
Massive logistics have been put in place to house the additional troops with heated prefabricated tents, specialised clothing and high-energy rations, the source added.
.....
The military has deployed transport aircraft like the C-17, IL-76, C-130J, besides as many as 6,000 Army trucks to carry tonnes of rations, clothing, tents and kerosene oil into Ladakh.
....
According to sources, the Army has, in the last few years, created multiple underground fuel dumps that are capable of storing up to four lakh litres each.
....
The Army is thus setting up mobile ATCs in Ladakh, a set-up that is also available in Siachen. These mobile ATCs look like the OB vans of television news channels.
Another requirement that is high on the Army’s agenda is the availability of clean drinking water.
What was the need of this article? Isn't it Barkha dutt all over again? Then There is "The Hindu" bringing full page advertisement about "Chinese achievement in 2020".
rsingh wrote:What was the need of this article? Isn't it Barkha dutt all over again?
I agree, unless the Army wants to send out a message that we're prepared. Also our good relations with KSA and UAE will be helpful now as any consumption can be rapidly replenished.
asgkhan wrote:
Isnt he in the AAP party. If yes, I would take it @ less than face value. I have yet to see a dis-passionate analysis without any agenda (present or future) from him.
What was political in this article? I couldnt find anything. Request if you could point me any objectionable part.
He has a track record of providing military analysis and then drip feeding his personal antipathy towards the ruling establishment, tainting it.
Thats all. His time line on twitter is a gold mine where he keeps swinging from one self cutting branch to another.
A @USNavy P-8 getting some gas at Port Blair, Andaman & Nicobar Islands last week. (Photo/@djdiglipur)
The day Uncle Sam gest his F22/F35 or even F18's flying in the Andaman and Nicobar islands for fuel or berths the US Navy aircraft carriers at Car Nicobar, you will see noodles coming out of the back orifice of the Constipated Han Lizards.
Chinese propoganda posted this photo to depict launchers positioned by PLA. After they realised that the curved shape of launchers gave away the fact that they are inflated baloons painted over they have now removed this photo.
Chinese propoganda posted this photo to depict launchers positioned by PLA. After they realised that the curved shape of launchers gave away the fact that they are inflated baloons painted over they have now removed this photo.
Chinese propoganda posted this photo to depict launchers positioned by PLA. After they realised that the curved shape of launchers gave away the fact that they are inflated baloons painted over they have now removed this photo.
Need multi-spectral analysis to be able to distinguish between dummys and real...
Remember that this is perfectly valid deception. Remember a balloon with the same dimensions as a launcher can cause a incorrect estimation of your strength or worst even expending of precious resources to destroy hot air balloons. Lets not laugh at it and instead learn from it.
ramana wrote:China is offering 1959 claim line as face saving move.
Jaishankar tweeting greetings to Wang Hui is a blow to the face.
1. Isn't the 1959 line rather to the east of where they are today? Would it mean that they will move back to the 1959 positions?
2. 1959 line also laid claim to Arunachal Pradesh, so of course from our side 1959 line would be a no-go unless it was scoped down to western sector only.
The 1959 "claim" line. Not their actual positions in 1959. That would mean giving up whatever they captured in 1962. They would never do that. And yes their 1959 claim included AP.
We should send in our " historic" maps too,where the whole of Tibet is shown as Indian.Demand that the PLA withdr,aw all its forces from Tibet asap or face the consequences.
yensoy wrote:
1. Isn't the 1959 line rather to the east of where they are today? Would it mean that they will move back to the 1959 positions?
2. 1959 line also laid claim to Arunachal Pradesh, so of course from our side 1959 line would be a no-go unless it was scoped down to western sector only.
The 1959 "claim" line. Not their actual positions in 1959. That would mean giving up whatever they captured in 1962. They would never do that. And yes their 1959 claim included AP.
The area is worthless and extreemly hard to defend. They needed to build the Highway and secure it. With the 1959 line they get that. The Main issue will be Arunachal pradesh. If India accepts the 1959 line, then what will it have to bargain with for the settlement of Arunachal? A lot suggests that the Chinease actually want to settle the dispute, but want to have an upper hand in the negotiations.
But India knows very well that there is not going to be peace with China. Mainly because India has the potential to become even more powerful then China (population size). China will want to hold India down.
Need some clarifiaction:
What will be teh impact of Atal tunnel. Some places it says there will be year around connectivity to Leh other places it says that the road will be open 7-8 month of the year., other places it says that the road will only be closed a few weeks. Anyone know what the scene is ?
Rishirishi wrote:Need some clarifiaction:
What will be teh impact of Atal tunnel. Some places it says there will be year around connectivity to Leh other places it says that the road will be open 7-8 month of the year., other places it says that the road will only be closed a few weeks. Anyone know what the scene is ?
Ahead of atal tunnel there are 2 roads to leh... the older longer thru Barcha last. .tangla la etc and the new one thru shinku la. The shinku la route gets less snow and probably can be kept open in winters with a concerted snow clearance effort...the older route has 3 high passes and much harder to be kept open
manjgu
Are you saying Atal Tunnel helps access to Leh through Shinku La which can be kept open during winters with minimal snow clearing effort and in that sense the Leh access via Manali is all 12 months?
nandakumar wrote:manjgu
Are you saying Atal Tunnel helps access to Leh through Shinku La which can be kept open during winters with minimal snow clearing effort and in that sense the Leh access via Manali is all 12 months?
Not minimal effort but sustained effort .... depends on amount of snow as well. ...but like khardungla it can be kept open during winters... like 2..3 closed then open .... snow clearance takes time...
Not 100% sure ..but if bro completes nimmu. .neyraks road along zanskar (parallel to cheddar trek) travelling time to Leh will be reduced further by at least 5 to 6 hrs... right now its from neyraks via photoksar via wan la ... to khaltse to Leh is quite long
manjgu wrote:Not 100% sure ..but if bro completes nimmu. .neyraks road along zanskar (parallel to cheddar trek) travelling time to Leh will be reduced further by at least 5 to 6 hrs... right now its from neyraks via photoksar via wan la ... to khaltse to Leh is quite long
Need multi-spectral analysis to be able to distinguish between dummys and real...
It adds to the Intelligence workload.
pushkar.bhat Remember that this is perfectly valid deception. Remember a balloon with the same dimensions as a launcher can cause a incorrect estimation of your strength or worst even expending of precious resources to destroy hot air balloons. Lets not laugh at it and instead learn from it.
Absolutely. Starting from WWII , D-day this thing is under valid military practice.
Their western communist Birathen are way ahead in this............
A Look at Russia's Army of Inflatable Weapons Blow-up fighter jets and tanks can make a military seem bigger than it really is.
BY KYLE MIZOKAMI, OCT 12, 2016
