2020 US election results discussion

[Aditya_V]

But why do Liberals love radical Islam soo much, why is there such a contradiction?

[KJo]

But why do Liberals love radical Islam soo much, why is there such a contradiction?

My theory is it is connected to "enemy of an enemy is a friend". In India the liberals hate Hinduism and Hindu customs, and they see Islam and more radical Islam as enemy of Hinduism, so they side with them and that makes sense to them. These duffers don't realize that Radical Islam hates them too.

[SRajesh]

Meanwhile daily covid cases
11/4/20 USA 108352, India 50465
11/5/20 USA 118319, India 47622
Trump done in by China Virus.
People who do not believe in Science die by it.

Saipji
Are we saying that primary target of Xitler was Trump
reasons being:
Trade Wars
South China Sea
Quad
So unleashing COVID as bio-weapon to bring Trump down
Collateral damages to rest of the world was unavoidable and acceptable with the added advantage it brought in the form of economic downturn world over leading to Chini dominance!!!
Am I right to assume this!!!

[Jarita]

But why do Liberals love radical Islam soo much, why is there such a contradiction?

Oil money + Liberation theology

Same as commies etc

[Raveen]

But why do Liberals love radical Islam soo much, why is there such a contradiction?

Oil money + Liberation theology

Same as commies etc

Because Hindus are viewed as patriarchal regressive pagans, Biden himself stated Abrahamic faiths need to unite and more needs to be taught about Islam in public schools as he thanked AMA for delivering at least 1 million Muslim votes during this election

[Raveen]

Also, worth analyzing:
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-wins-hig ... 6-1545294b

[m_saini]

Second the oil money.
If the Hindu temples ever become free and someone has the sense to donate couple crores to TV channels each month, you'll get to hear NDTV sing praises how the diwali firecrackers help local businesses and how Lord Ram indeed is the perfect human being.

[darshhan]

But why do Liberals love radical Islam soo much, why is there such a contradiction?

Liberals actually think they can control islamists. Little they know once islamists gain power, the first to be on the chopping block will be these degenerate liberals.

[Jarita]

But why do Liberals love radical Islam soo much, why is there such a contradiction?

Liberals actually think they can control islamists. Little they know once islamists gain power, the first to be on the chopping block will be these degenerate liberals.

Oh they know. But the Islamists are a wonderful weapon to control the middleeast. It's their own cavalrymen.

[vijayk]

Also, worth analyzing:
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-wins-hig ... 6-1545294b

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[Raveen]

Also, worth analyzing:
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-wins-hig ... 6-1545294b

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Bummer - had an analysis of how Trump has pulled more minority and LGBTQ votes than any other Republican in 60 years - he set a new record this time around. He lost the white man's vote.

[vera_k]

Something that's not left or right.

The clear winner of the 2020 election: Drugs

there's one area of clear consensus: drug policy. In deep red states like South Dakota, purple states like Arizona, and blue states like Oregon alike, voters decided it's time to legalize the use of drugs like cannabis and psilocybin mushrooms.

1) The Biden admin will legalize drugs fully or loosen restrictions at the federal level.
2) New growth industry in cannabis, mushrooms, heroin, cocaine.
3) Potential here to cripple the East Punjab drug trade if export markets are replaced with legal suppliers.

[Sumeet]

Oil money + Liberation theology

Same as commies etc

Because Hindus are viewed as patriarchal regressive pagans, Biden himself stated Abrahamic faiths need to unite and more needs to be taught about Islam in public schools as he thanked AMA for delivering at least 1 million Muslim votes during this election

Election rhetoric for sake of votes and day to day life when in seat of power are two different things. It still remains to be seen what happens. American public will not take kindly to this stuff. America is Judeo-Christian value based system. Islam does not fits into that equation.

[darshhan]

Because Hindus are viewed as patriarchal regressive pagans, Biden himself stated Abrahamic faiths need to unite and more needs to be taught about Islam in public schools as he thanked AMA for delivering at least 1 million Muslim votes during this election

Election rhetoric for sake of votes and day to day life when in seat of power are two different things. It still remains to be seen what happens. American public will not take kindly to this stuff. America is Judeo-Christian value based system. Islam does not fits into that equation.

Christianity is declining in west and even In US. Although the decline in US is not as steep as in Europe. So I doubt traditional judeo christian value system would still be prevailing. From what I am observing left has more or less won the culture war and they will shape America as per their agenda. West coast and north east are already in this mode. They also have the support of deep state in implementing their agenda.

The only way American RW can reverse the tide is by initiating and winning an actual civil war.

[chanakyaa]

Isn't the the phrase 'Judeo-Christian' entered the contemporary lexicon in 1940s? At one point calling the society based on 'Judeo-Christian' was not "cool". Feels like long time ago, but fairly recent considering timeline of history. What prevents them to call it "Abrahamic" value-based system?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Christian

[RajeshA]

Even though USA under Biden-Kamala may continue Quad with India, there will be some irritants cropping up, which had almost disappeared in Trump's Presidency.

a) More vocal support to any criticism of India by USCIRF

b) Dravidianism, both conversion and separatism will get a new fillip

c) There will most likely be more riots and Shaheen Baghs in India, with USA always "talking down" to India for being against minorities and the culprit

d) Kashmir will again be in focus. There will be more cross-border terrorism from Pakistan and more stone-throwing, and US will show "concern" for lack of protection for "human rights" there. Basically back to the old script.

e) FCRA controls will be criticized more.

You get the picture.

Also, it could be that USA interferes (somehow) in WB elections. It could be through fomenting riots and criticizing Modi for it, for trying to polarize, etc.

For the next four years Biden-Harris will do everything to make Modi more unpopular in the world and in India. 2024 Elections in India are the target.

[nachiket]

This is such a simplistic reasoning. Assuming that the polls were largely fair, there are lot of variables and underlying issues. The most important point to take home from these elections is that a significant percentage of American population if not outright majority is now leftist/liberal.

If that was the case why are the Democrats doing badly in the House? Their majority has gone down and Republicans have flipped seats even in states where Biden has won/is leading. Looks like people voted for Biden because they did not like Trump rather than because they supported Democrat policies.

In absolute terms, Trump got more votes this time than in 2016. More people voted for him than for Obama.

[V_Raman]

This is anti-trump vote by working class whites more than anything else. The key to working class whites - IMO - you have to be decent in public. That is why I said that if he had talked the right way about masks he would have won this election. Many people are disgusted by him - rightly so. Trump got more black/latino votes as well. So Republican party and conservatism is alive/kicking. From what I can see - from my daughters and friends - GenZ is conservative as well - outside of religion/choice areas of course - Dems beware...

[V_Raman]

Some of the things said by him in interviews - especially with his daughter in tow - disgusting to say the least - Trump is a Kevalavaadhi (Tamil)...

[Raveen]

Some of the things said by him in interviews - especially with his daughter in tow - disgusting to say the least - Trump is a Kevalavaadhi (Tamil)...

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[vera_k]

More analysis will be forthcoming. With such close margins, Biden will be just as much an accidental President for the right as Trump was for the left. With the two Senate races in Georgia possibly lined up for January, this election season could stretch out for quite a while.

[KLNMurthy]

I dont think India will get any pressure to not do a Balakot if there is a terrorist attack - those days are loonnngg gone. World is not that kind of a place anymore. I will expect pressure on human rights/religious freedom etc. to appease their vote bank. That is the best they can do. I will not expect any drastic change w.r.t Pak either - resumption of aid etc. - too drastic a change in the trajectory IMO.

More importantly, India is not that India any more.

@Dilbu, I hope you are right and US deep state will have enough sense to see the dangers of letting China go after India, but I don't have your confidence in their collective wisdom. There are probably different conflicting factions within the so-called Deep State, the "Atlanticist" faction being one of them. Each of them (I think) will fight for their own worldview--think of guys with Ph.Ds and careers that are built on one thesis or another, and whose prestige and promotion within the department depends on their view prevailing--and the policy we get will be the one that prevails.

[KLNMurthy]

Everything goes through Mitch McConnell.
...

I'm the only one I know who thinks this, and this is probably OT, but Mitch McConnell...

(here goes my CT)

He is called "Moscow Mitch" by his political enemies. I think they are wrong, he is probably a deeply-embedded Chinese agent, through his wife Elaine Chao who is a princess of the CCP / Chinese plutocracy.

All the crazy things he has been doing with his power, like stopping the Merrick Garland nomination, obstructing every single thing in the Senate, looking like a really weird aged turtle, etc. can be explained if it is the more subtle & strategic n-dimensional Go-playing Chinese controlling him than the cruder, "tactically brilliant" Chess-playing Russians.

[KLNMurthy]

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3. I doubt Biden-KH will have any opportunity to create mischief against India. Given the combative mood of the republicans, the Biden administration will have a very tough time getting any bill passed. On top of it, a more conservative SC will not give the dems any respite.

To create mischief against India, there is no need to pass a bill in Congress. The President and his administration have a lot of policy leeway to create problems.

[KLNMurthy]

But why do Liberals love radical Islam soo much, why is there such a contradiction?

My serious answer: they are mostly European-origin people (read white), or their copycats (as is the case for our own Bharatiya brothers & sisters) who don't really have a template for dealing with other cultures and races on a friend-frenemy-enemy scale. They either totally demonize them, or act out of guilt, or get their guidance from some haf-baked theory like critical theory or Marxism. They end up getting confused and taking inconsistent and irrational stands. Since they are used to their thoughts and opinions being always the dominant ones and everyone else deferring to them, it means they are not good at adjusting their world-view in response to observed realities.

[Ambar]

Islamo-leftism is a well researched, well known phenomenon. In a nutshell, the left uses islamists ability to rapidly mobilize and unleash violence, and the islamists use the left and its hold on media & education to give an intellectual color to their agenda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamo-leftism

[Ambar]

The left does not waste time like the conservatives thinking what is acceptable & what is not in political disagreement . Right from the bell with two months to go before the inauguration the threats have began to hunt anyone found supporting Trump. Here is our beloved congresswoman AOC, the very posterchild of the liberal left openly threatening US citizens . If you wonder where you've seen this before remember the online campaign against those who were found supporting Ram mandir verdict and CAA ? The left and islamists created a DB to dox those found supporting GoI's actions and had many expelled from middle eastern countries, expelled from their jobs and shuttered their businesses.

[nachiket]

But why do Liberals love radical Islam soo much, why is there such a contradiction?

It is Leftists who love them. They only call themselves Liberals but are actually quite illiberal in many circumstances. Much like how people who call themselves "secular" in India are anything but. There are only a handful of real Liberals who will call out this support for Islamism as shameful.

Now why do the leftists love them? Simple they can use them for gaining political power, whether it is as a vote bank or a way to virtue signal and try to prove their opponents are xenophobic/Islamophobic/fascist etc. etc. They really believe in the whole postmodern victimhood narrative and hierarchies of oppression nonsense. The idiots don't realize what will happen if the Islamists really get power in their countries. All the taqqiya about being allies with the leftists will be dropped and the same leftists might suffer the fate of gay people in ISIS controlled lands.

[chanakyaa]

I don't get it. Why is the responsibility of the elected president of the US to run around like Immy the Dhimmi asking for money to fight back in the courts, a cause something each and every American, their elected representatives, and all those big fat institutions should support regardless of party affiliation. Wait, wait, wait unless it is a one-time payment to ....never mind

Exclusive: Republicans seeking to raise at least $60 million to fund Trump legal challenges - sources

(Reuters) - Republicans are asking donors for at least $60 million to fund legal challenges brought by President Donald Trump over the U.S. presidential election’s results, two sources familiar with the matter said on Friday...

[srin]

But why do Liberals love radical Islam soo much, why is there such a contradiction?

The so-called Left liberals are neither leftist in the traditional term (Trump represents working class better actually) nor are they Liberals (they are quite fanatic). They are a loose coalition of identitarians aka SJWs and free-loaders and quite anti-democratic (use judiciary to negate democratic will on key issues).

We should stop calling this group as “liberals “ and think of a better term.

[OmkarC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKpPaKIvN5c&t=1012s

14:53 - 16:58 - Prediction on US election, Trump v Modi comparison, turbulent election

[Pratyush]

AOC and her nutjobs if they go through with this and make the life of the Trump supporters hell. They will bring about a backlash the likes of which they have no clue about.

The only way to make sure that they get away with it would be to make every single American dependent on the state of keeping them alive with total control over the media.

It will make the USSR under Stalin look tame in comparison.

[nachiket]

AOC and her nutjobs if they go through with this and make the life of the Trump supporters hell. They will bring about a backlash the likes of which they have no clue about.

The only way to make sure that they get away with it would be to make every single American dependent on the state of keeping them alive with total control over the media.

It will make the USSR under Stalin look tame in comparison.

Democrats who lost (or almost lost) House seats are calling out the extreme left politics as a reason for the situation. AOC does not accept that of course. If they don't change direction, they will lose control of the house in 2022. So there is going to be internal disagreements between the crazy leftists and moderate Democrats I think. Some people might even switch parties. There is one guy who became Republican and won in New Jersey in his own seat this time.

[banrjeer]

But why do Liberals love radical Islam soo much, why is there such a contradiction?

The so-called Left liberals are neither leftist in the traditional term (Trump represents working class better actually) nor are they Liberals (they are quite fanatic). They are a loose coalition of identitarians aka SJWs and free-loaders and quite anti-democratic (use judiciary to negate democratic will on key issues).

We should stop calling this group as “liberals “ and think of a better term.

Dems are a party of gentrified rich people with a dash of M brotherhood and a colored VP for some street cred.
They outspent GOP by huge margins and + Trump kept shooting himself in the foot + COVID.
Despite all that they just scraped through.

[darshhan]

This is such a simplistic reasoning. Assuming that the polls were largely fair, there are lot of variables and underlying issues. The most important point to take home from these elections is that a significant percentage of American population if not outright majority is now leftist/liberal.

If that was the case why are the Democrats doing badly in the House? Their majority has gone down and Republicans have flipped seats even in states where Biden has won/is leading. Looks like people voted for Biden because they did not like Trump rather than because they supported Democrat policies.

In absolute terms, Trump got more votes this time than in 2016. More people voted for him than for Obama.

That is why I used the phrase "significant percentage of American population if not outright majority is now leftist/liberal". My hunch would be that atleast 40% of america's population would now fall in leftist category. This includes socialists, communists, feminists, lgbtq/satrangi types, environmentalists, anti gun lobby, antifa, pro choice, paedophiles, Hollywood, degenerates and other. They control the media, social media/big tech and the academia. Through these institutions they continue to shape the narrative and influence the coming generations. Except deep south their numbers are much more than practicing christians whose numbers are declining with every subsequent generations. Although decline of christianity is a positive aspect for us here. Even among christians catholics have a greater propensity to bote democrat.

[cdbatra]

But why do Liberals love radical Islam soo much, why is there such a contradiction?

My theory is it is connected to "enemy of an enemy is a friend". In India the liberals hate Hinduism and Hindu customs, and they see Islam and more radical Islam as enemy of Hinduism, so they side with them and that makes sense to them. These duffers don't realize that Radical Islam hates them too.

This is a good interpretation. I have always wondered as to why feminism failed to make dent in islamic world and yet feminists support hijab.

I think with France it is first time that secularism and liberalism have taken on Islam. I have a feeling that this is the right way to tackle Islam

[m_saini]

Feminism couldn't make a dent in Islam because ropers just don't give a ******. All the guilt-tripping and victimhood complex works against people who actually care and can introspect. Doing any sort of "pride' marches in muslim infected areas gets your head on a spike.

And if at any time any chink starts to appear in the inbred armor, the pisslamic countries can just announce to trade oil in renminbi citing islamophobia and everything returns to normal fairly quickly.

[ramana]

Meanwhile daily covid cases
11/4/20 USA 108352, India 50465
11/5/20 USA 118319, India 47622
Trump done in by China Virus.
People who do not believe in Science die by it.

Saip, Why bring India here?

What relevance is that data to US elections?

Just a general note for all members:

Please dont drag India willy Billy to make points.

[darshhan]

This is a good interpretation. I have always wondered as to why feminism failed to make dent in islamic world and yet feminists support hijab.

I think with France it is first time that secularism and liberalism have taken on Islam. I have a feeling that this is the right way to tackle Islam

I have my doubts wrt France. They along with western europe do not have it in them anymore to successfully fight islam. The lack of dharma, low TFR and vanishing institution of family due to feminism and satrangi movement, rising degeneracy almost always leads to extreme inertia and loss of vigour in society. Their only hope now is that some one like stalin or hitler or Mao type dictator take the reins of the country and then do something.

Both secularism and liberalism are curse straight from Bhagwan. And western Europe is now an accursed land.

[Zynda]

On one international/US based forum which leans significantly towards left, folks are ecstatic...they all can't wait for Jan 1st when they are hoping Trump would be dragged out of WH by his collars.

On a side note, I wonder what happens to the liberal US comedians whose careers literally got a massive boost from 2016 to current. It was no secret that careers of the likes of Stephen Colbert were stuck prior to 2016/appearance of Trump (in fact his latest show was in risk of being cancelled or him being replaced due to low ratings).

For the first 6 months or so of 2021, his ratings will continue while they try to find more material on Trump but once life settles down with new admin in WH, have to see how he fares. Of course, he would have made enough money to retire and lead a plush life and/or start something on his own if his current gig goes kaput. Same for at least Jimmy Kimmel, while the others less known may not be in that comfortable position.