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https://www.indiatvnews.com/politics/na ... ing-669717
Telugu cine actress Vijayashanti is set to join the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) on Monday. She met with Union Home Minister Amit Shah in New Delhi on Sunday.

"Vijayashanti Ji will formally join BJP tomorrow (Monday). She met with Amit Shah ji today. All those whom KCR sidelined, will join BJP," saffron party leader G Vivek Venkatswamy told reporters in Delhi.
this is probably the death knell for cong. in TG. some background:
Vijayashanthi originally joined BJP in 98 and was to contest against Sonia Gandhi in 98 in kadapa. but Sonia gandhi withdrew and contested in Bellary - this was the first "smriti irani" moment.
later Vijayshanti joined TRS and was an MP of the TRS party from 2009 to 2014.
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Sorry, but party hoppers like Vijayshanti bring little value to BJP and can only take more than they give. They need real leaders with popular support & existing base in eastern & southern TG, esp Nalgonda, Warangal, Mahboobnagar & Khammam. Without winning at least the first 3 regions, they can't dream of power.. they need to initiate operation Aakarsh for district level congress leaders.

I think they can write off Khammam for 2023 - its impossible for them to win there due to the leftist nature of that district & heavy concentration of Andhra people belonging to one community. KCR is now apparently considering warming up once again to the commies apparently to strengthen his base in Khammam & Warangal, traditional left hold pockets.
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OmkarC wrote:Sorry, but party hoppers like Vijayshanti bring little value to BJP and can only take more than they give. They need real leaders with popular support & existing base in eastern & southern TG, esp Nalgonda, Warangal, Mahboobnagar & Khammam. Without winning at least the first 3 regions, they can't dream of power.. they need to initiate operation Aakarsh for district level congress leaders.

I think they can write off Khammam for 2023 - its impossible for them to win there due to the leftist nature of that district & heavy concentration of Andhra people belonging to one community. KCR is apparently considering warming up once again to the commies to strengthen his base in Khammam & Warangal, traditional left hold pockets.
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OmkarC wrote:Sorry, but party hoppers like Vijayshanti bring little value to BJP and can only take more than they give. They need real leaders with popular support & existing base in eastern & southern TG, esp Nalgonda, Warangal, Mahboobnagar & Khammam. Without winning at least the first 3 regions, they can't dream of power.. they need to initiate operation Aakarsh for district level congress leaders.

I think they can write off Khammam for 2023 - its impossible for them to win there due to the leftist nature of that district & heavy concentration of Andhra people belonging to one community. KCR is now apparently considering warming up once again to the commies apparently to strengthen his base in Khammam & Warangal, traditional left hold pockets.
I mentioned that this is loss for Congress (since Vijyashani was star pracharak for congress). not necessarily a gain for BJP. but Vijyashanthi has a good following in TG as is considered the ground level worker for TG. she is strong in the Medak MP constituency
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Shashi Tharoor@ShashiTharoor

So the 2nd campus of Thiruvananthapuram's RGCB is to be named ''Shri Guruji Madhav Sadashiv Golwalkar National Centre for Complex Disease in Cancer &Viral Infection''! What is MSG's contribution to science other than promoting the disease of communalism?
and he gets his answer

Madhav Sadashiv Golwalkar a Bachelor of Science degree in 1927 and a master's degree in biology in 1929 from BENARAS HINDU UNIVERSITY taught zoology for three years at BHU


what did rajeev ghandy achieve academically, either in school or college :mrgreen:

or for that matter, from great grandfather to great grandson, pray tell us shampooboy
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So AIMIM got 44 seats with only 15% vote, while BJP got just 48 with more than 31%. Also, no wards got flipped from AIMIM except one to BJP but then one BJP ward got flipped to AIMIMS. So, all the muslims must be concentrated in those wards. Other parties must make inroads into those wards to cut Owaisi to size.
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congratulations to the winners of the GHMC elections

anyone could have stood, anyone could have voted and how would anyone know


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saip wrote:So AIMIM got 44 seats with only 15% vote, while BJP got just 48 with more than 31%. Also, no wards got flipped from AIMIM except one to BJP but then one BJP ward got flipped to AIMIMS. So, all the muslims must be concentrated in those wards. Other parties must make inroads into those wards to cut Owaisi to size.
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It may have already started

minorities in 7 wards of the charminar area prefer the BJP

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If it were not for postal ballots (with unlimited rigging in last 2 hours), BJP would've secured 5-10 seats more and become single largest party.

If Andhra settlers too were on board with BJP's message and showed some self-respect (rather than ally with those who threaten to break NTR's memorial and those who abused their kind in filthy language during TG movement), it would've been 20-25 seats more.
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Rony wrote:All this based on anecdotal conversations only. So take it for what its worth.

Andhra vote in GHMC got split between TRS, BJP and TDP in that order. TRS was prime beneficiary.

Most TDP leaning people voted primarily for TRS (those who wanted to defeat BJP)
Some TDP leaning people voted for BJP (those who did not want to vote TRS and those who thought voting TDP in Telangana is wasting their vote).
Small hardcore TDP fans voted for TDP.

YSRCP leaning people voted 100% to TRS as they did not want to see BJP win. Their thought process is if BJP finishes TRS and captures Telangana, it will go after YSRCP next in Andhra.

Janasena leaning people voted for BJP
This is what i got too after speaking to multiple ppl . Both rural and urban. Now all the TDP ppl who voted for TRS are regretting their votes.

Plus , lot of youth is back in towns due to COVID. If not BJP would have won. But by 2023 assembly elections, apart from hardcore TDP voters , BJP should be able to get all the TDP votes plus congress votes.

Khammam is not the issue due to the caste but more of PWG etc.. By 2023. if BJP continues the same path then Khammam could be up for grabs too.

Remember PWG , apart from BJP was only one that openly supported Telangana formation . As a matter of fact PWG was the first one to openly support Telangana formation. So unless PWG influence is does not translate into votes BJP should to do well.
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chetak wrote:

It may have already started

minorities in 7 wards of the charminar area prefer the BJP

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Key is Kukatpally, if the TDP Votes which can be turned into BJP votes then game over for TRS. I think there is still resentment and bad taste due to CBN"s false propaganda against BJP in AP for not providing unrestricted special package to AP. But those voters will vote for BJP in next election if the the BJP leaders play the cards right. All they have to do is bring up how KCR abused and thrashed them and so called "their culture"

Plus BJP needs to be get some decent candidates. BJP had huge sympathy since 1998 elections in Telengana. There were lot of ppl from various districts of Telangana went on train rides to Ayodhya in 1992. No need for details.
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It is interesting that folks who live in Kukatpally bang in the middle of TS capital are bitter about AP not getting special status. They have to decide whether they are with TS or with AP. If the latter, why the heck are they in Kukatpally? They can liquidate their assets and get in on the ground floor of Amaravati reak estate.

@vishnua garu, PWG is the People's War Group?
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nvishal wrote:Telangana has an unfinished past.

Back during the razakar rule, the locals fully expected new delhi to evict the non-telugu speaking non-locals out of telangana as an aftermath of the police action in 1948. That didn't happen. The old generation has a lot of anger locked up deep inside against northern castes. A hush-hush gossip in rural telangana is that the northerners are in cahoots with the dwellers in old hyd.
The kayasthas were brought in from the North to do administrative work. The local Muslim nawabs were mostly too lazy or thought themselves too good to do that kind of work.

The Telugu people of Telangana were either landowning feudals (a very tiny minority) who were subservient to the nawabi aristocracy, or a miserable wretched suffering mass of peasants who generated the wealth which sustained the Hindu Telugu feudals, their Muslim overlords, and the Northern Hindu collaborators.

The toxic social structure has survived the coming and going of unified AP state.
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KLNMurthy wrote: The toxic social structure has survived the coming and going of unified AP state.
Very real. The real purpose of division of AP is to give AP to Jagan/EJ s and Telangana to Muslims. That aim is largely attained. AIMIM now going to be a national party with Owaisi as the Neo Jinna. Jagan and his gangs will ensure EJs and their conversion activities continue in AP.

The mercantile nature of the AP coastal gangs due to which they have not shown any self respect, cultural and social unity is the reason for this.
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KLNMurthy wrote:
nvishal wrote:Telangana has an unfinished past.

Back during the razakar rule, the locals fully expected new delhi to evict the non-telugu speaking non-locals out of telangana as an aftermath of the police action in 1948. That didn't happen. The old generation has a lot of anger locked up deep inside against northern castes. A hush-hush gossip in rural telangana is that the northerners are in cahoots with the dwellers in old hyd.
The kayasthas were brought in from the North to do administrative work. The local Muslim nawabs were mostly too lazy or thought themselves too good to do that kind of work.

The Telugu people of Telangana were either landowning feudals (a very tiny minority) who were subservient to the nawabi aristocracy, or a miserable wretched suffering mass of peasants who generated the wealth which sustained the Hindu Telugu feudals, their Muslim overlords, and the Northern Hindu collaborators.

The toxic social structure has survived the coming and going of unified AP state.
Long before AP was divided into two, one surname that I came across in Hyderabad quite frequently during my travels is 'Gupta'. Of course he was as fluent in Telugu as any other community with clear affinity to the Andhra land. I mean you wouldn't find that name among any native community in any other part of South India. I have often wondered about this.
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chetak wrote: It may have already started

minorities in 7 wards of the charminar area prefer the BJP
No, those are the wards in the Goshamahal area, which are mostly Hindu [north Indian Hindu, in fact] dominated. This is the same assembly constituency from where Raja Singh keeps getting elected. I would be very surprised if BJP has got >5% Muslim votes anywhere.

Okay, no. I checked. Goshamahal is in the Khairatabad circle for the GHMC. But the BJP victories are from the Hindu dominated areas of Rajendranagar, Malakpet, and Santoshnagar. In fact, of the 7 which the BJP has won in Charminar circle, AIMIM contested only in 3 of them. These are all Hindu areas only. In fact, places like Gowlipura are BJP strongholds which BJP had won even in 2016.
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Vayutuvan wrote:It is interesting that folks who live in Kukatpally bang in the middle of TS capital are bitter about AP not getting special status. They have to decide whether they are with TS or with AP. If the latter, why the heck are they in Kukatpally? They can liquidate their assets and get in on the ground floor of Amaravati reak estate.

@vishnua garu, PWG is the People's War Group?
Yes on PWG but I am not sure their influence is significant unless there is now state support

As per not voting for BJP , it will take time . Just wait and watch
Majority of these votes will be towards BJP starts aggressively going after these votes

Due to Jagan now it is kind a reverse now i..e moving back tonHYD
Ppl have been their for at least 2 generations if not 3
2 nd generation is almost guaranteed for BJP
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nandakumar wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote: The kayasthas were brought in from the North to do administrative work. The local Muslim nawabs were mostly too lazy or thought themselves too good to do that kind of work.

The Telugu people of Telangana were either landowning feudals (a very tiny minority) who were subservient to the nawabi aristocracy, or a miserable wretched suffering mass of peasants who generated the wealth which sustained the Hindu Telugu feudals, their Muslim overlords, and the Northern Hindu collaborators.

The toxic social structure has survived the coming and going of unified AP state.
Long before AP was divided into two, one surname that I came across in Hyderabad quite frequently during my travels is 'Gupta'. Of course he was as fluent in Telugu as any other community with clear affinity to the Andhra land. I mean you wouldn't find that name among any native community in any other part of South
India. I have often wondered about this.
This is the issue I..e calling it toxic nature .It is anything but toxic If you take out the Muslim rule there was free flow of ppl into Telangana region from MH and MP under various Hindu rulers. Just like little down south East under Vijayanagara empire

Hence Rayalaseema and Andhra districts have migration towards KA and TN

Bharat under various rules had free flow of people across various kingdoms .It is just the nature of society
As per Gupta surname yes you will find border districts as well in HYD just like you will find Goel ,Sharma and other North Indian names in Chennai

North Indians are not the issue .As a matter of fact they have been strong BJA supporters since independence
When HYD had 2 MP seats, one used to go MIM (old city) and other to BJP (Secunderabad) .Now Secunderabad is dominated by religion of love I think
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Sikandarabad LS seat is still with BJP.
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Yagnasri wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote: The toxic social structure has survived the coming and going of unified AP state.
Very real. The real purpose of division of AP is to give AP to Jagan/EJ s and Telangana to Muslims. That aim is largely attained. AIMIM now going to be a national party with Owaisi as the Neo Jinna. Jagan and his gangs will ensure EJs and their conversion activities continue in AP.

The mercantile nature of the AP coastal gangs due to which they have not shown any self respect, cultural and social unity is the reason for this.
Sonia ,Ahmed P , PC were in favor of TG .Diggi and MMS were against it

Sonia and Ahmed P supported TG due to above
PC to break the Telugu domination

As per mercantile nature it exists in Rayalaseema as well as Telangana too

In AP from Srikakulum to Nellore (coastal line ) it is all about the power across all castes

Once BJP absorbs good leaders from ,TDP and YCP and with Pavan Kalyan they have a chance .BJP never invested seriously in AP untill recently for valid reasons but it will come
Ghar Wapsi is needed big time in AP
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Apparently there was very little canvassing in Kukatpally by BJP or any other party. TRS goons did the needful during the last hours of polling. Seems like BJP didn't have enough cadre to cover all parts of the city this time. Next elections will be different.
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I think participating BR members are unfamiliar with the caste dynamics of telangana.

I have written about this earlier. The dominant religion in telangana is Folk Hinduism. There are two types of Muslims in this state. The non-telugu speaking Muslim and the telugu speaking Muslim. The Telugu speaking Muslims are involved in folk rituals but their numbers are not many so are not as important.

The state is run by the working class. This is your open castes, the farmer castes(kaap-ollus), the service class, economic backward class, bc-a/b/c/d. This is the most influencial group. This is TRS.

The second group is the non-telugu speaking people in the old city. Many have migrated to different parts of telangana and you'll find them doing odd jobs. This is your AIMIM.

There is a third group that tries to force its way in. This is the ambedkar/Christian group. They are known locally as "maadi-ollu". They keep pigs and you'll see them running around in their zones. They are small in numbers but they are violent, aggressive and engage in casual vandalism and thuggery. This is your osmania university. Your beef festival gangs. The famous professors in telangana. The op-eds in deccan chronicle. All the violent protests. This group votes for Congress and/or left candidates. They exist in all villages but there is a clear separation in residential colonies in most villages.

Caste is very big in telangana. There aren't many clashes but the castes prefer to mind their own business. Hindu sub-castes do not intermarry. Eg: Farmer marrys farmer. The end.

The biggest hurdle for the bjp will be its views on caste. If it ever speaks on inclusivesness, the first ones to kick them out will be the Hindus. So best never to speak about caste dynamics in telangana.

Now an imp note on the States religion - Folk Hinduism. The closest comparison to this would be the "agri koli" castes in Maharashtra. Lot of rituals, lot of superstition, animal sacrifices, whiskey etc. There is a church on the outskirts of almost every village in telangana but it lacks followers. But they exist and I suspect they are funded from andhra. Anyway, the local version of Hinduism and merged with aspects of modernity and it acts as a natural repellent against abrahamic polytheism. If anyone wonders what is the difference between telangana and andhra, this is it.
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The elections to local self-governance bodies in Kerala have started and usually it acts as a bell-weather about what will be in store for assembly elections, which usually follows around 6-10 months after.

Explained: The importance of Kerala’s three-tier local body polls beginning today
Which are the keenly-watched contests this time?

The contest that’s likely to get the most eyeballs is undoubtedly the 100-seat Thiruvananthapuram municipal corporation. That’s because in 2015, it witnessed a fiercely-fought triangular contest between LDF, UDF and BJP. In fact, the BJP shocked everyone by winning 34 of the 100 seats, closely following the LDF which won 42 seats. The UDF was pushed to third position with wins in just 21 seats. This time, the BJP will be hoping to better its performance and even win control of the corporation. If it manages to do that, it will be a national talking-point for a party that has failed to register a sustained growth in Kerala.
For me, this was an interesting time as after a long time, I am putting my money on a local councilor, a spirited young lady called Asha Nath who won by a whisker last time. But this time, I am sure she is going in with the right credentials other than "I am replacing my dead uncle". She checks off the right checkmarks - young, energetic as hell (heard a Congress chap say compared to her, his party is filled with slovenly slackers), dogged in getting things done, is telegenic in her own way etc.

From conceiving, implementing and maintaining a nice little river-walk with her meager councillor funds to out-climbing her fellow male party men over police barricades when the Left govt decided to act up against counter-CM protests, she has everything needed to take on Left propaganda. Her FB page is always a fun read. If she wins, she is a sure-shot Mayor candidate.
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Is this Muralidhar Rao chap (a Velama btw) a TRS covert in BJP ? Who will trust the BJP if they keep sending confusing signals and flip flopping like this ? And Look at how they keep feeding anti-BJP outlets like print with all the details.

"BJP’s Muralidhar Rao to The Print on changing Hyderabad’s name : BJP nowhere has said it will change name of city. Nowhere in our manifesto, we have mentioned. It is in the context of political mobilisation. It is used to convince the people to make them understand".

https://twitter.com/haryannvi/status/13 ... 57441?s=20
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Rony wrote:Is this Muralidhar Rao chap (a Velama btw) a TRS covert in BJP ? Who will trust the BJP if they keep sending confusing signals and flip flopping like this ? And Look at how they keep feeding anti-BJP outlets like print with all the details.

"BJP’s Muralidhar Rao to The Print on changing Hyderabad’s name : BJP nowhere has said it will change name of city. Nowhere in our manifesto, we have mentioned. It is in the context of political mobilisation. It is used to convince the people to make them understand".

https://twitter.com/haryannvi/status/13 ... 57441?s=20
I would be careful about passing judgements on Muralidhar Rao as he is one of the types who sacrificed for Hindutva causes - ABVP, Swadeshi jargon manch, RSS person that always stayed with BJP. During ABVP days, he was apparently shot by Naxals and several bullet fragments still remain in body.

But he's one of the old boys of the state BJP - along with Kishen Reddy, Bandaru Dattatreya, K Laxman - who wanted friendly relations with TRS earlier.. Now we see Kishen reddy, Laxman adapting to the new state leaders - Sanjay, Aravind, Raghunandan Rao - of confronting them head on. Maybe he hasnt.

Here's an interview of him by a biased pro-TDP/congress TV9 interviewer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE9NNnsx1rs

He was vague about the "surgical strike in old city" and "name change of Hyderabad to bhagyanagar" questions.. but in general, he brought out good issues of Hindu population reducing in some old city areas. Folks like him, Kishen Reddy gave a lot to Hindutva cause.. The latter apparently was one of the few people who went to Srinagar to hoist the flag following MM Joshi & Narendra Modi.. In a police lathi charge, he was beaten so badly that his eyesight has been partly lost.

Maybe after going through physical hardships, it could be that they have softened up.. or maybe its party strategy not to bring up Rohingya issue any further.. but accusing old school folks of being "coverts" is OTT.
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That TV9 TV anchor Murali Krishna was close to Y.S.Rajasekhar reddy. He went over to Sakshi and then came back to TV9 again. TV9 is now Pro-TRS after some Velama guy brought it from Ravi Prakash.
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Good post NVishal.

What would be the % of fwd castes and non Telugu Hindus in Hyd and rest of TS ? Would that constitute a sizeable vote bank for BJP? I think there is a sizeable number of converts to Christianity among the fwd castes in TS as well, not sure if their numbers are increasing. I havent seen any data on this.
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Details of religious conversions are openly available in the national gazette. A PDF is released every week.

egazette.nic.in
Click "gazette directory", middle top
Weekly gazette > part IV > year > download PDF
Go through or cheat by @search text "hindu"

Conversions are usually seen in Delhi/UP area due to intermarriage (Hindu - Islam)

Conversions are popular in andhra region. Here the reason is not marriage. For whatever reason, the andhra men, women and many times, entire families convert from Hindu to christianity/islam.

I suspect andhra society has suffered some form of social collapse, akin to Kerala. This usually happens when more people in that population belong to lower castes and less people in the open category. When this happens(revolt by lower castes), the people in the open category will crack as well. Their codes will collapse. As it happened in Kerala.

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Regarding telangana, I will reiterate. The TRS is nothing but the local BJP. The TRS is very similar to what the shiv sena is in Maharashtra.

Hyderabad's religious polarity is missing in rural telangana. BJP won lok sabha seats in rural because locals were fed up/discouraged by TRS. Like the shiv sena in Maharashtra, the TRS is a party of village folks. They move around like goondas. In the absense of a conflict between telangana and andhra, the TRS goondaism became a nuisance for the locals.
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nvishal wrote:
Regarding telangana, I will reiterate. The TRS is nothing but the local BJP. The TRS is very similar to what the shiv sena is in Maharashtra.
Do you know if and when BJP or Shivsena made similar statements ?

TRS MP Kavitha says Hyderabad, Kashmir forcibly merged into India, faces sedition charge

"We are not Indians. India invaded and occupied our Hyderabad and yet we accepted it. " - TRS founder member V Prakash


Will any Shivsena member say such thing about Maratha empire ?

TRS leader V Prakash in TV5 debate : Nizam was greater king than Kakatiya kings.
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"For whatever reason, the andhra men, women and many times, entire families convert from Hindu to christianity/islam"
Some personal observations on the Hyd/TS scene:

The Catholic Church has had a good presence for a long time in Secunderabad, probably came in along with the British Cantonment, and this is borne out by the plethora of St. Johns/Mary's/Patricks type schools which are highly regarded. Over time, they have built churches, schools & colleges in Hyd too and replicated the model. Their proselytism is somewhat passive, like subtly blaming Hinduism for caste evils, equating Hindu practices to paganism, criticising epics and puranas as being full of polyandry & polygamy, injustice, discrimination etc. They don't do it from a podium or a pulpit, but work steadily, subtly on individuals/families at a time. Education is a big business for the Diocese, and allows them to show a benign, respectable face to lakhs of students every year. The depiction of Xtian priests in Telugu movies has always been benign and Gandhian. There is of course inducement of jobs and financial help as well to attract converts. Those who convert often retain hindu culture and customs, to the extent of keeping bindi, sarees, mangalsutram, flowers in hair, even aarti and agabatti to their home Jesus on Cross statue. Their names are semi christianised like Paulraj, Thomasamma etc. or Indian names that don't tie back to a Hindu divinity like Dayanand, Premkumar etc.

Then there are Non-Catholic Pastors who preach different flavours of Xtianity, Protestant, Adventist or otherwise who have appeared in the 90s I'd think, and they are more aggressive, their inducements also include immigration help to US, Canada, UK, AUS, NZ which many find attractive. These converts typically adopt full Xtian western attire, names and customs, and within 2 generations all traces of Indianness are gone.

They all take some pride in converting educated FWD castes like Brahmins, Reddys, Kammas which fill their ilk with people with means and reach.

Most of the conversions, FwdC or BC or OBC happen when a person or family is going through tough times like serious illness, tragic incidents, deep financial trouble etc when they are feeling lost, vulnerable and receptive to words of solace offered by someone nearby come from the Bible - "Read a few Bible verses like you'd read Hanuman chaallisa, whats the harm? " ! Those who convert have been convinced that the new Christian devata will solve their problems (which a Balaji or Pochamma thalli won't) and/or that they are switching to a more modern, non-discriminatory and superior, therefore dominant "world" religion. However this doesn't apply to dowry or caste discrimination :rotfl: they mostly continue as before, divorces are easier.

There are some inter-faith marriages now and then, in these cases, there is some pressure on the hindu boy or girl to convert but its not as intense as it is with muslims. But the children mostly end up non-hindu.

There is a degree of focus on conversion in rural Telangana, but as pointed above, those OBC poor folks practice a kind of folk hinduism anyway, where superstition and village customs matter more than ideological or theosophical underpinnings, and they may not care to convert. The focus of conversions in AP OTOH is very active aggressive, especially visible in towns and villages as I noticed during my travels. Can't say if they follow the same methods or have innovated a lot more in AP.
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nvishal wrote: This is your open castes, the farmer castes(kaap-ollus), ...
telagaalu is the most prevalent caste.
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to do or not to do


this commies are screwed either way. :mrgreen:



Take Over Disputed Ernakulam Church Or Face CRPF Deployment: Kerala High Court Ultimatum To Communist Government

The court said that if the State government was unable to take over the church, it should convey it to the CRPF, which could ask its Pallipuram camp to take charge.
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Had it been a Hindu temple, we would have witnessed a God speed in implementing the court orders. We have seen how the left government went ahead with the Sabarimala judgement. Different yardstick for different religions and we call this party secular
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Cyrano,

Like Hyd, Mumbai(metro) too had a large christian history. It had Christian schools and hosps. It had a brahmin Christian population that had allegiance to the British and Portuguese. On and on.

All of that faded when Hindus from from other parts of the region came to Mumbai(migration) and overwhelmed the christian influence. Today, many of the big schools in mumbai are the ones that perform on the merit(celebrities send their kids to corporate international schools) and the most popular hospitals are owned by pune marathis and jains. Migration will do the same in hyd.

Alcoholism is huge problem in telangana where drinking is synonymous with being a "man". The reality is that 90% of any given population is immune to alcohol and hard drugs. But there is that unfortunate 10% other population that are destined to become addicts on something or another, if they are pushed in that direction. The alcoholism culture in telangana ensures these 10% meet their fate. This is where christianity comes into the picture... Like D Raja singing "mouka mouka" whenever he sees farmers protesting in some corner of India.
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I see most of Telugu folks who are rabid Modi haters and who spread lies/propaganda against BJP:

1. TDP/Naidu strong followers
2. People affected by DeMO because most of them do Real Estate
3. People who do Lending for Interest (2% a day)
4. GST affected business communities
5. Dumbo Libtards (Loony left in US)

Andhra got screwed, No funds etc. are only excuses

Any other groups/reasons?
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+ EJ gangs of AP which are getting funded from abroad who are facing problems now and who hate BJP and NM.
+ Naxals and urban naxals which include most of the Telugu MSM entity fellows.
+ lota Brahmin INC voters ( they are still there in this age.) who and 21st century Rai Bahadur fellows. But these are very few people.

We have to understand AP controlled by Urban Naxals and INC gangs for decades. TDP is also part of hate Hindu gang which has its origin in the long-forgotten Justice Party.
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Now that GHMC elections are over has any one traced the money trail?
And if you see those results, Congress and TDP are zeroes in the outcomes but did a lot of vote cutting.
Also Andhra settlers voting against BJP is also something to be studied.
Whats going on?

Over all just 8500 total votes separated TRS and BJP.
What this means is the overall popular vote terms, they are equal.
Quite an achievement.
Voter turnout is the key for future.
Someone did mapping and found 24 LA seats would be achieved for BJP in GHMC area.
Combine tis with fact that 7 LA seats/MP seat, and BJP won 4 of them and came close in two others,
basically if TG elections were held tomorrow, very high probability that BJP will form the govt.

That is what GHMC results showed.

And already the results impact is showing up in far away states in South as money bags park their benami funds in Hyderabad real estate.
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Yagnasri wrote:+ EJ gangs of AP which are getting funded from abroad who are facing problems now and who hate BJP and NM.
+ Naxals and urban naxals which include most of the Telugu MSM entity fellows.
+ lota Brahmin INC voters ( they are still there in this age.) who and 21st century Rai Bahadur fellows. But these are very few people.

We have to understand AP controlled by Urban Naxals and INC gangs for decades. TDP is also part of hate Hindu gang which has its origin in the long-forgotten Justice Party.
BJP is facing Telugu Nayaka Party.
Still a carry over from Palnadu Yuddham.

In that war divided Nayakas adopted far away ideologies and fought and reduced the political power of Telugu nadu.
This made inroads for Turks, Mughals, and EIC.

The gains of Sardar Patel were negated by same in-fighting Nayaka clans and Nehruji playing MIM card.
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From what I was informed, BJP was not having people to forcefully defend things in many areas of the city during the polling. Some of those places TRS people rigged heavily in the last two hours of the polling. That is why some seats which BJP should have won were lost. There is also a view that hardcore TDP which hates BJP actively worked in some areas to defeat BJP. We need to not that this election is ballet paper election and not EVM. MIM also voted for TRS in many seats wherein MIM did not contest to ensure the votes of MIM and TRS do not divide. Police and other GoTG were used maximum.

BJP will face the same problem in any Assembly or LS elections. Hence it is actively seeking people from other parties to jump to BJP, and that is going to happen as INC and TDP fall in the state. In the end, hardcore TDP and hardcore INC only remain in the respective parties. Rest will join BJP. The problem is BJP need to stay as BJP even after taking all those people.

The state has a considerable BC population, and traditionally those are pro TDP sections. Now as TDP is no longer an effective party and TRS misgovernance hopefully creates an anti-TRS wave BJP in the assembly may capture those votes.

But KCR is a formidable political leader, and now he is clear who is his enemy. For the first time since the division of AP, he is facing a threat of defeat. He may use some tactics like create an idea of the vote to TRS in assembly and vote whomever you want, including BJP in LS type ideas. pAAPis were successful with such sentiments.
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KCR just had a 45 minute meeting with Modi in Delhi, who typically doesnt give meetings esp. on Sat/Sun. Interesting...
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