Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Dec 2020 18:39

India successfully test fires medium range surface to air missile off Odisha coast - ToI

India on Wednesday successfully test fired a medium range surface-to-air missile (MRSAM) from Odisha coast, defence sources said.

The missile was fired from a ground mobile launcher at launch pad number-1 of the Integrated Test Range (ITR) near here at 3.55 pm, and it hit the target with accuracy, the sources said.

An unmanned air vehicle (UAV), 'Banshee', was first flown into the air, which was hit by the MRSAM.

The DRDO has jointly developed the missile in collaboration with Israel Aerospace Industries.

The MRSAM has been manufactured by Bharat Dynamics Ltd.

After its induction into the Indian army, the missile will significantly enhance the combat effectiveness of the defence forces, they said.

The entire mission trajectory from the launch to plunging into the sea was monitored by various radars and electro-optico instruments, the sources said.

Prior to the test, Balasore district administration in consultation with DRDO temporarily evacuated 8,100 people residing within 2.5 km radius of the launch pad to the nearest shelter centres on Wednesday morning, a revenue department official said.

nam · Post by **nam** » 23 Dec 2020 19:35

Here is the truck based launcher for IA. Our own S400 structure is been laid out..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ep7OtmvU0AA ... name=large

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 23 Dec 2020 22:01

https://twitter.com/SupratikSaumya/stat ... 14208?s=20 ---> NAMICA with new RCWS armed with 7.62x54mm RPKTM. Courtesy 'patriots' @ Defence Forum India.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 23 Dec 2020 23:26

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/134 ... 26720?s=20 ---> Video of today's MRSAM test just in:

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 23 Dec 2020 23:27

https://twitter.com/Mishra28Deepak/stat ... 52960?s=20 ---> Overall appearance of the launcher vehicle. It looks army tried to make it look like a mobile container vehicle. Even the upper end of launch tubes are covered with metal sheet.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 23 Dec 2020 23:29

https://twitter.com/DRDO_India/status/1 ... 74401?s=20 ---> Maiden launch of Medium Range Surface to Air Missile (MRSAM) Army Version from Integrated Test Range, Chandipur, off the coast of Odisha at about 1600 hrs. The missile destroyed the high speed unmanned aerial target which was mimicking an aircraft with a direct hit.

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 76352?s=20 ---> IA has at least one regiment of this on order.

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 60802?s=20 ---> Judging by the Akash layout, it can be up to 6 batteries and a HQ unit. Each battery with a radar and 3 launchers, with 8 x missiles, and an equal number of loadouts. So 18 launchers, 288 missiles and 7 radars.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 23 Dec 2020 23:35

https://twitter.com/Amitraaz/status/134 ... 73282?s=20 ---> Army versus Air Force MRSAM launchers.

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 25 Dec 2020 20:16

Beautiful launcher of Army MRSAM. I expect shore-based VLSRSAM launchers to look very similar. May be on a 6X6.

The Akash NG will be slewed like QRSAM. Akash NG launcher looks like a trailer type. Although, a more mobile version based on 10x10 is possible.

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 25 Dec 2020 20:32

Indranil have a question or two please.
Would it be fair to say that the iaf launcher is designed in a way that it can be decoupled from the tractor/heavy truck to remain in place for a period of time. Whereas the army one looks proper mobile and fully containerized to protect from elements.

Another question also is would these be able to accomodate a booster assisted version of of the barak 8 or would this need major structural changes.

Hope we get to see akash mk2 launch soon it will really be the ultimate evolution of a local area sam being able to deploy in numbers.

Lastly has there been any further info released on xrsam. IIRC there were supposed to be first tests coming up soon right...

Thanks in advance saar. I only see you online intermittently these days obviously given other commitments so gotta take advantage!!

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 27 Dec 2020 01:30

AMIDST CHINA CONFLICT, INDIA BUYS SPIKE, SPICE MISSILES FROM ISRAEL FOR OFFENSIVE CAPABILITY

New Delhi: India has bought a “small quantity” of the Israeli SPICE 2000 stand-off missiles and the Spike anti-tank guided missiles earlier this month to meet its immediate requirement, amidst a military face-off with China in the Ladakh border.

The quantity purchased of the two proven weapon systems was not immediately known, but two Indian defence officials with direct knowledge of the acquisition said it cost close to $200 million.

Israeli arms company Rafael Advanced Defense Systems Limited said yesterday in a statement that it was awarded the $200-million contract by “an Asian country” with SPICE 2000 air-to-surface systems, Spike ATGMs, tactical, electro-optically guided missiles, and advanced communication systems.

SPICE is a family of stand-off, autonomous, air-to-ground weapon systems that strike targets with pinpoint accuracy and at high attack volumes, independently of GPS navigation, based on autonomous electro-optic Scene-Matching Artificial Intelligence (AI) algorithms.
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Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 28 Dec 2020 23:54

andy B wrote:Indranil have a question or two please.
Would it be fair to say that the iaf launcher is designed in a way that it can be decoupled from the tractor/heavy truck to remain in place for a period of time. Whereas the army one looks proper mobile and fully containerized to protect from elements.

Another question also is would these be able to accomodate a booster assisted version of of the barak 8 or would this need major structural changes.

Hope we get to see akash mk2 launch soon it will really be the ultimate evolution of a local area sam being able to deploy in numbers.

Lastly has there been any further info released on xrsam. IIRC there were supposed to be first tests coming up soon right...

Thanks in advance saar. I only see you online intermittently these days obviously given other commitments so gotta take advantage!!

Sorry, it took this long to reply. But since when did you start calling me saar.

The following are my guesses, but I think I am not too far off.
1. IAF launcher will be stationed at air bases. And Air bases don’t move. So, trailers make sense. Presumably, you can use the tractor elsewhere after parking. Also, the large trailer makes it easy to reload and service. On the other hand, the IA SAMs must move with the front. So, mobility, compactness, etc. are all required.
2. XRSAM seems to be MRSAM with a booster. Although we need to see if the MRSAM missile is ported as is. The booster seems to be the truncated motor of AAD/Ashwin. So, that should fit in the AAD/Prahaar launcher. Given it’s significantly longer, I would be surprised if it fits any smaller launcher.
3. Actually, VLSRSAM and Akash Mk2 test firings should happen next year. Both are state of the art. We can say that area defense capability is well covered. QRSAM and Akash Mk2 as slewed and VLSRSAM and MRSAM as VL.

Here’s my list of missiles that I am looking forward to being testfired in 2021:
1. Air launches of Astra Mk2 and SFDR
2. Akash NG/Mk2 and XRSAM
3. STAR (super excited about this one). This could be a parallel to Brahmos. We have been waiting for Brahmos-Mini for a decade. STAR could become the true alternative!
4. Rudra mI and Rudra mIII

kit · Post by **kit** » 29 Dec 2020 00:08

https://defenceupdate.in/drdo-star-indi ... p-missile/

Just for those who think what the heck is STAR

DRDO has been carrying out Research and Development to develop missile based on LFRJ(Liquid Fuel Ramjet) Engine . STAR stands for Supersonic TARget. This will be surface launched (with a booster) and will serve as a supersonic target for A2A and S2A missiles.capable to hit Mach 2.4 speed.

LFRJ motors more efficient when range and endurance are primary criterion rather than acceleration and storage. That’s why Brahmos and now STAR-cruise-missile adapt the liquid fuel based ramjet motors.

Both will use a booster to accelerate to the ramjet operating speed beyond which booster is ejected and the missile will carry on. The LFRJ design will allow us to reach smaller scale missiles than Brahmos, and more importantly autonomy in this crucial technology.

The STAR is designed to help Navy ship crews learn to defend themselves against modern anti-ship missiles like the French Exocet and Chinese Anti-ship missiles and also help in research in ship-defense systems and fleet training.

STAR currently has been going through wind tunnel testing by DRDO and design changes have been made accordingly and it is expected that it will be ready by 2023-24 for demonstration trials and speculation is also that once STAR Target drone is developed as a spin-off program an Anti-Ship Missile based on STAR Technology will also be developed for Aircraft and Ship-based platform.

DRDO has been carrying out Research and Development to develop a STAR (Supersonic TARget) target drones capable to hit Mach 2.4 speed to help surface warship crews practice how to detect and defeat incoming supersonic anti-ship missiles. STAR can be launched from fighter jets or Surface platforms and can also be used to train the Air Defence system of the Air force and Army.

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 29 Dec 2020 02:14

Indranil wrote: Sorry, it took this long to reply. But since when did you start calling me saar. .........
4. Rudra mI and Rudra mIII

Ha! Out of respect onlee Indranil!
Many thanks for your responses. Will be really interesting to see how 2021 develops. Looks like it might be a real watershed moment given a lot of programs in pipeline are maturing.

Funnily enough the Army launcher of Mrsam bears some resemblance (more in concept) to the onyx/p800. Completely different weight class of missiles though. Its a really interesting design got to say. Kudos to DRDO!

On the xrsam, I'd imagine even a truncated AAD motor will have quite a kick to it. Will be very interesting to see what sort of end game maneuvering it will endow. The kinematics will be no doubt very strong especially the booster motor plus twin pulses.

I am really hoping to see akash mk2 and qrsam reach induction double time as the existing inventory is getting old and upgrades will only help so much.

On the star is this something similar in concept to 163 coyote? I hope it has decent range as we seem to have reached maturity in avionics and sensors/seekers. This has the potential to develop and deploy in numbers!

Many thanks as always and hope all is well!

nam · Post by **nam** » 29 Dec 2020 03:23

I wonder which Barak8 will get placed on LoC. IAF or IA! Wonder how it will work if Paks try out another Feb 27 style don't cross LC attacks. I guess once the Air defence command comes online, IA would give control of MRSAM that are deployed on LC.

Another thing is that all the missiles & weapons that are been integrated on Su30, has a nice market available for Su30 users globally. Vietnam, Malaysia, Algeria, Armenia would like Astra 1/2, Rudra1, SAAW, Gautam etc on their Su30, along with the Russian kit.

If not anything, they would atleast want Astra 1/2 & Rudra1. Not to mention SFDR... If there is no Russian specific Ramjet program running around, SFDR might just become the default "Meteor" for Su/Mig fighters worldwide.

Thakur_B · Post by **Thakur_B** » 29 Dec 2020 07:55

Isn't SFDR being developed in collaboration with Russian labs?

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 29 Dec 2020 08:03

Pakis used a lot of drones on 27 feb and will try and attack our Sam's with drones, we would need something to defend SAM Ak 630 type defenses to take out drones and PGMs targeting the Sam's

John · Post by **John** » 29 Dec 2020 09:14

Aditya_V wrote:Pakis used a lot of drones on 27 feb and will try and attack our Sam's with drones, we would need something to defend SAM Ak 630 type defenses to take out drones and PGMs targeting the Sam's

Skyshield with AHEAD ammunition would have been ideal but it is shame the whole venture feel apart due to blacklisting.

shaun · Post by **shaun** » 29 Dec 2020 09:27

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Dec 2020 11:10

Aditya_V wrote:Pakis used a lot of drones on 27 feb and will try and attack our Sam's with drones, we would need something to defend SAM Ak 630 type defenses to take out drones and PGMs targeting the Sam's

Very naughty to call Swift Retort as lot of drones!
More like lot of duds.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 29 Dec 2020 12:49

What drones did they use?
They did try firing some South African guided bombs all of which fell in their own territory.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 29 Dec 2020 13:02

jamwal wrote:What drones did they use?
They did try firing some South African guided bombs all of which fell in their own territory.

One came in as far as a few kms from Naliya Airbase in Bhuj before the Spyder system shot it down, they probably had them flying close to the IB all across, they had around 48 Wing Longs, it carried well into Mar 19 and around 14 mar 19 IAF even took down one with a R-27 near Fort Abbas in Pakistan.

There was one which dropped a small 4 kg-5kg Bomb on a Rajasthan Hamlet. Surprisingly it has disappeared from BRF collective memory, inbetweeen 27-Feb-19 and 15 Mar-19 there multiple reports of atleast 4-6 drone shoot downs by the IAF.

https://www.apnlive.com/pakistani-drone ... at-border/

We also forget Media reports from multiple reports on the morning of 26-Feb-19 had stated IAF had taken 3 targets 1- at Balakote, 1 at Muzaffarabad and 1 at Chakoti. even DG ISPR initially tweeted on a strike near Muzaffarabad.

This narrative changed only after the MEA statement on 26-Feb-19 afternoon which called it a Non Miltary strike like a peaceful Nuke Test- it talked only of the pig sty on Balakote.

So clearly it seems the 2 targets in Muzaffarabad and Chakoti which were classified were miltary strikes which for political reasons and not wanting be the aggressor in front of the International community were dropped from the narrative. It also helped Pakis save face.

Like Surgical strikes if the IAF had missed its targets, Pakis and PAF could have surgical strikes stated its some Indian myth but they had immediately up the ante with a lot of effort on 27-Feb-19.

The came worse off but got away since we did not publish too many videos on the F-16 which is clearly different from the Mig 21 videos going down.

I guess all the Top International Big wigs wanted to keep a lid on this.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 29 Dec 2020 13:09

Most of such "news" came from baba type rumour accounts which blow more hot air than a GSLV rocket. Indian and Pakistani armies shoot down small drones with guns as a matter of routine.
Pakis don't have 48 Wing Loongs. They signed the agreement to purchase them in mid of 2018, they had maybe 1-2 for testing before that. I've spotted a few drones on their western airbases in past. But they were most likely American.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 29 Dec 2020 13:12

Sir see the link I posted , it has official ANI news , IAF statement is also there

See this link of another drone shoot down

https://theprint.in/defence/pakistani-d ... af/201207/

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 30 Dec 2020 14:49

Brahmos with 800 km range to be tested next year!
Fired from near border, it can hit almost all major Chinese military bases in Tibet & Yunan.

Thanks, I missed this news.

Aditya_V wrote:Sir see the link I posted , it has official ANI news , IAF statement is also there

See this link of another drone shoot down

https://theprint.in/defence/pakistani-d ... af/201207/

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 30 Dec 2020 15:22

Jamwal: unable to view the image. Where is this 800 Km info coming from?

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 30 Dec 2020 15:31

Images are linked from Twitter.
https://twitter.com/JaidevJamwal/status ... 5708383232
Is it blocked on your browser or network? News is published in The Print.

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 30 Dec 2020 18:34

Per a defence AV the following tests are scheduled in 2021:

5000KMs range AD1 and AD2 interceptors for from floating test range (BMD phase 2)
Nirbhay in Jan 2021
Rustom II in Feb 2021
AIP for Navy in Q1 of 2021
Brahmos 800 Kms range in June 2021
XR-Sam in Q4 of 2021

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 30 Dec 2020 21:26

Prem Kumar wrote:Where is this 800 Km info coming from?

The DRDO announced in February 2017 that a BrahMos missile variant with a strike range of 800 km was under development

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 30 Dec 2020 22:13

What happened to the Agni-4 test that was scheduled for around this time( Dec 28th, to be precise!) Weather issues?

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 04 Jan 2021 05:51

https://twitter.com/Mave_Intel/status/1 ... 81856?s=20 ---> India to test 800 km Range Brahmos in 2021. Plans to extend range to 1500 km.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 04 Jan 2021 05:57

Picture below is from BrahMos Corp's 2021 calendar ---> http://www.brahmos.com/download/BrahMos ... r-2021.pdf

hemant_sai · Post by **hemant_sai** » 04 Jan 2021 12:15

These are great news but unless we change our approach just stockpile of missiles is of no use.

1 front has to be eliminated or attenuated before 2025 especially their naval and air assets. For India one short intense war is imperative to eliminate 1 front.

RajaRudra · Post by **RajaRudra** » 04 Jan 2021 13:49

hemant_sai wrote:These are great news but unless we change our approach just stockpile of missiles is of no use.

1 front has to be eliminated or attenuated before 2025 especially their naval and air assets. For India one short intense war is imperative to eliminate 1 front.

Perhaps, there is still scope for improving the numbers in stockpiling. The latest order of Brahmos and Akash numbers still in two digits numbers.
With the production of both in local hands. We should be stocking both to the maximum capacity along with increasing the regiment numbers towards making the missiles as an extended range artillery.
Numbers should be in such a way that in the first few hours, any territory under the 500 kms from the border should be scorched.(no matter we hit them first or we retaliating after sustaining the the first hit in multiple places)

mody · Post by **mody** » 04 Jan 2021 16:11

Has the Phase-I BMD system, consisting of the Swordfish radar and AAD and PDV missiles, been cleared for deployment? If cleared any idea how many units are going to be produced/deployed?

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 05 Jan 2021 08:37

India plans deployment of nuclear-capable Agni-V this year
https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation ... ssion=true

“The induction process of the missile, which is under serial production, has already started. It would be officially deployed with the final induction trial in next three to four months. The deployment will pave the way for development of more long range missiles, which are on the drawing board,” the source told The Express.

India has also planned to test some new technologies, including the multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicles (MIRV), which allows long range missiles to deliver multiple warheads programmed to destroy different targets hundreds of km away from each other and alternatively launch more than one warhead assigned to one target.

This apart, several missions, including maiden flight trial of beyond visual range Astra Mk II having a strike range of over 150 km, user trial of guided Pinaka rockets and developmental test of an advanced version of home grown subsonic cruise missile Nirbhay have been planned in early 2021.

“Development of new Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) planes and underwater unmanned vessels (UUVs) along with the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Mk-II will be the areas of focus for the DRDO this year,” said a defence official.

The DRDO has already received orders for development of AEW&C Block 2 aircraft under a Rs 10,500 crore project.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Jan 2021 13:56

Great news. Seven successive and successful launches have happened for Agni-V, as we know. It is supposed to be MIRVd as well.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 06 Jan 2021 20:37

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Jan 2021 15:34

VAYU has a piece," top 10 weapons of the IN" mentions the LRLACM unveiled at Defexpo '20.According to reports it will have a 1000km range,extended to 1500km.20 dev. flights are planned.It
will be subsonic meant to complement hyper- BMos.
Is it a different project from Nirbhay which it appears to mirror, or Nirbhay by another nomenclature?

kit · Post by **kit** » 07 Jan 2021 20:14

SSridhar wrote:Great news. Seven successive and successful launches have happened for Agni-V, as we know. It is supposed to be MIRVd as well.

I suppose we will never know if all the Agni 5s are MIRVed and how many or what yield !....but looking at the GOI posture it seems they are confident on taking both China and the pakis at the same time

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 08 Jan 2021 11:57

Though the range of BrahMos is now being extended to over 400-km, with India and Russia even planning to test an 800-km variant this year, the export version will be the 290-km one. “This is due to the Missile Technology Control Regime (prevents proliferation of missiles over 300-km range) and some other issues,” said the source.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 151155.cms

If the interested country is a member of MTCR, then India can export 300+ km ranged missiles too, right?