2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jan 2021 05:39

this is an unexpected twist.

If true, these "farmers" are really seasoned players

ball is now firmly in the court's court

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 12 Jan 2021 05:52

Serves "merlords" right. But knowing how the esteemed bench is they'll still side with those gheraoing Delhi and put a stay order on the new laws.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 12 Jan 2021 07:42

Can't we file a massive bunch of petitions supporting the bills, now that the Hon Court said there is none?

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 12 Jan 2021 09:05

chetak wrote:ball is now firmly in the court's court

I guess the 'farmer brokers' also knew that the SC role in their case is minimal. They jolly well know that the laws cannot be annulled as it may pass all constituitional checks. Next SC can bring in a stay, but that is never permenant. The 'farmer broker' gang wants 100% continuance of their old "dalaali" way of life and make an easy living.

Amber wrote:Serves "merlords" right. But knowing how the esteemed bench is they'll still side with those gheraoing Delhi and put a stay order on the new laws.

Dileep wrote:Can't we file a massive bunch of petitions supporting the bills, now that the Hon Court said there is none?

Even for putting a stay on any Act (or sections of an Act) there has to be a sound legal & logical reasoning which is also is based on the written constitution of the country. It cannot be on the whims and fancies of the judge, or using a popular demand (?) or chances of rioting as an excuse. Even in the case of Sabari Mala the protests was NOT the legally written down reason for making course corrections. The court found legal merit in the PILs etc filed and found discrepancy in their own earlier judgements. That was used as a reason to refer the case to a larger bench, and put the earlier order in abeyance. Since the act of women (of the banned age) entering the shrine would make the whole case infructuous (i.e meaningless), the commie government now cannot try any of their shenanigans.

As per my understanding GoI lawyers had already informed the court that there are supporters for the passed laws as well. And they may have mentioned it in the affidavit as well. Due to which further PILs may not be neccessary. PILs can be filed if the central government delays the implementation of the new laws

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Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 12 Jan 2021 11:49

ramana wrote: NaMo is taking a lot of poison for India.

Beg to disagree, sir. NaMo is showing himself to be incapable of standing up to the judiciary. Firstly, by repeatedly telling farmers: "let the SC decide". What is there for the SC to decide? Our milords don't need an invitation for over-reach and he just handed them one.

Just like with CAA, this Govt doesn't know how to exercise their constitutionally guaranteed authority. They are too afraid of judiciary & media. Plus, they're trying to please everyone. Both are recipes for failure.

Pathetic to see a Govt that was elected with an unprecedented majority to behave in this craven manner.

People won't respect a Govt that cannot display Kshatriyata. No one follows a "beta male"

asgkhan · Post by **asgkhan** » 12 Jan 2021 12:07

I for one support the hands off approach by BJP on the middlemen pretending to be striking farmers.

1. Let Delhi suffer as these freeloaders have chosen non BJP party twice.
2. Setting up the protests needs money, finances are not endless, whole of India gets to see the troublemakers. Fatigue will soon set in. These protests are not pi$$fools to draw strength from aasmaani kitaab and protest endlessly.
3. SC has proved to be a coterie of buffoons.
4. I doubt anyone outside Delhi cares about the protests. Shaheenbagh was different as localised muzzies created nonsense throughout the country.

asgkhan · Post by **asgkhan** » 12 Jan 2021 12:14

Prem Kumar wrote:
ramana wrote: NaMo is taking a lot of poison for India.
Beg to disagree, sir. NaMo is showing himself to be incapable of standing up to the judiciary. Firstly, by repeatedly telling farmers: "let the SC decide". What is there for the SC to decide? Our milords don't need an invitation for over-reach and he just handed them one.

Just like with CAA, this Govt doesn't know how to exercise their constitutionally guaranteed authority. They are too afraid of judiciary & media. Plus, they're trying to please everyone. Both are recipes for failure.

Pathetic to see a Govt that was elected with an unprecedented majority to behave in this craven manner.

People won't respect a Govt that cannot display Kshatriyata. No one follows a "beta male"

I think the Mullah-marxists-missionary cabal wants a narrative of blood thirsty govt. They want violence/riots on the streets and then columns in white man's newspaper on sob stories of the high handedness of the hindootva gobmint killing poor muzzies/dalits on the streets.

By ignoring the protests, keeping it localised and drawing it out with no end date in future with multiple chai-biskoot sessions he is taking the air out of the protests.

disha · Post by **disha** » 12 Jan 2021 12:41

Prem Kumar wrote: Beg to disagree, sir. NaMo is showing himself to be incapable of standing up to the judiciary. Firstly, by repeatedly telling farmers: "let the SC decide". What is there for the SC to decide? Our milords don't need an invitation for over-reach and he just handed them one.

Couple of things, SC should not have entertained the PIL. Since it did, it now has to keep its acerbic statements under check.

What did you expect? That NaMo and team would not have expected this?

I personally expected immediate protests from zamindars in Mah etc to rise up in protests on losing their free loading from APMCs. Looks like I should have pored over the data more and localized the MSP being the basis for Punjab's economy.

Second surprise was that it did not come immediately. It took them two months to protest. Now I understand, they cut the crop, sold it and before tending back the fields for the next season, the downtime is good to do "protest-protest" and earn some side money.

Third surprise was that terrorists, sexual perverts, zamindars etc etc joined the protest. How stupid of them? That they dragged in the premier of kanuckistan and burnt property of kanadian companies.

GoI is doing the right thing. Only thing I expect from the SC is to stop all these acerbic comments. It takes away from the grandeur of SC and reduces SC to a municipal court.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 12 Jan 2021 13:33

If the SC wants to intervene,let it do so.The heat will be off the GOI! But there has to be give and take on both sides. Farmers cannot boycott SC conducted talks. The GOI should allow a time-bound stay of the laws during which time negotiations must be concluded. That is the tough job the SC will have to accomplish

asgkhan · Post by **asgkhan** » 12 Jan 2021 13:50

Another by-product is the loss of respect sadly for the sikhs. By allowing these khalistanis, muzzies, pakis and perverts to hold the center stage, the image of Sikhs has taken a beating in the eyes of silent non-sikh majority.

Standing side by side of muzzies, in front of bhendiwala idiot is hurting their images. The genuine Sikhs will be pained as the janata's perception changes.

Allowing middlemen to dictate terms and being of nuisance to society will harm their hard working image. Better efforts will be needed from the Sikh society to stop leeching off the sops and stand and perform with the rest.

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 12 Jan 2021 14:01

Philip, you are already familiar with punjabi diplomacy. You just have to look across the border - threatening nuclear retaliation if you try to preempt proxy war. Listen to sermons from zaid hamid.

The punjabi diplomacy is essentially them putting a gun on your head and you doing as they say.

It was general sunderji who first understood it and his strategy was to: 1) ignore their outlandish antics 2) contain their implosion

Modi and shah have already checked out. Agricultural minister N tomar is about to exit by handing over the issue to the SC.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jan 2021 14:43

Dileep wrote:Can't we file a massive bunch of petitions supporting the bills, now that the Hon Court said there is none?

The court also said that they were not aware of the consultations, if any, that were undertaken prior to the passage of the bill clearly implying that no consultations were done

In reply, the govt has already filed an affidavit saying that the process of consultations for this bill has been ongoing for over two decades after the court said that they did not know what consultation process was followed before the bill was passed.

this has simply served to highlight the vaporous cuckoo world in which many of the higher echelons of our democratic institutions choose to inhabit while scoping out post retirement sinecures.

major political parties have this very thing mentioned in their election manifestos. Truly there is none so blind as he who will not see.

election manifestos are a very real declaration of intent and that by itself implies detailed and sustained engagement with all stake holders

commission agents/money lenders are not stake holders per se to the farm bills. They are more like carrion eaters, scavengers and parasites opportunistically leeching off the main host which is the farmer and skimming the cream off the top.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jan 2021 14:49

Philip wrote:If the SC wants to intervene,let it do so.The heat will be off the GOI! But there has to be give and take on both sides. Farmers cannot boycott SC conducted talks. The GOI should allow a time-bound stay of the laws during which time negotiations must be concluded. That is the tough job the SC will have to accomplish

sirji,

The govt is playing the very cards that no one wanted them to play. The BIF thought that they were holding the aces but forgot to keep track of the jokers

The govt have quite adroitly slipped out of the firing line.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 12 Jan 2021 14:59

SC suspends implementation of three farm laws
The rumours I hear is that this is again another attempt to buy time. Using this "suspension" every body gets a breathing space, and Republic Day celeberations would happen peacefully. The 'farmer brokers' have also told the SC that their tractor rally plans are dropped. 'Farmer brokers' have said that they will not work with the SC formed committee; which means no meaningful discussion will happen. GoI will file further appeals, or bring up other PILs after the immediate issues (like Jan 26th) have been addressed and better plans made. Mean while, BJP run state governments can also formulate plans taking the new laws as guide lines.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jan 2021 15:00

all four "farmers" lawyers missing from the SC hearing today......

Prashant Bhushan,
Colin Gonsalves,
Dushyant Dave, and
HS Phoolka

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 12 Jan 2021 15:38

Yup, better let the SC ask for filings quietly and hopefully in April if none of these worthies have presented thier case, throw the whole thing out and move on.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 12 Jan 2021 15:47

Where is that 7 walls theory post by RamaY (?). It looks like the judiciary wall is broken/co-opted.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 12 Jan 2021 16:27

Farmer leaders welcome SC staying implementation of 3 agri laws, but protest to continue.
Lots of U turn happening now. "The farmer leaders said they are not willing to participate in any proceedings before a committee appointed by the Supreme Court, but a formal decision on this will be taken by the Morcha.." & "We welcome the court's order to stay the implementation of the farm laws, but we want a complete repeal of these laws," Abhimanyu Kohar, a senior leader of the Morcha, told PTI..". Some of them are now saying they will continue the tractor rally gimmick, while there is another group which was saying it was cancelled. When some of them had earlier said that the tractor rally plans were dropped.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jan 2021 17:00

frame and keep in a prominent place of honor

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 12 Jan 2021 17:17

There is not a single petition that mandates parents to be respected by adult children.

Vidur · Post by **Vidur** » 12 Jan 2021 19:10

chetak wrote:frame and keep in a prominent place of honor

Indeed !

Are there any legal experts here ? I would be interested to know what the views are on

-Sovereignty of Parliament
-Limits of SC Powers and who has the final say
- Role of President

My questions are from a legal and constitutional structure POV not a tactical POV on current situation. This judgement has far reaching implications.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 12 Jan 2021 19:33

If after this judicial intervention, someone says we have "pillars of democracy", "checks & balances" or "balance of power", its a joke.

As I have stated above, we expected the Modi-sarkar to be an alpha-dog. It turned out to be a whimpering mongrel.

Many will twist themselves to explain the uber-chankian'ness of it all

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 12 Jan 2021 19:42

Perhaps it would be better to start a fresh thread exclusively track the 'Farmer broker' drama. As there seems to be too many posts on this subject

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Members of SC panel on agri laws pro-govt, won't appear before it, say Farmer unions
The committee was formed by Hon. SC, and the 'farmer brokers' say that they are government stooges

. So looks like Hon. SC also had an intention to bring the 'farmer brokers' to negotiation table, to a set of people who are not politicians and can explain the rationale behind the laws. The committee members are aware of agriculture situation and trends etc. And most likely 'farmer brokers' will not be able *logically* argue against the laws, so emotional dramas are all what they can do.

Understand that there are some more arguments in the Supreme Court today in which the AG had stated that terror outfits had infiltrated the protest. The AG is to file an additional affidavit and also place information from the Intelligence Bureau. My hope is that IB had lied low but gleaned enough information on the true agenda and the back stage players of this charade.

Prem Kumar wrote:As I have stated above, we expected the Modi-sarkar to be an alpha-dog. It turned out to be a whimpering mongrel.

I tend to disagree. Yes, I too had certain hopes on the BJP governments and they are diabolically slow (or useless) in some areas. But we must also think about the success stories they have. CAA; courts are no where in the picture. J&K Union Territory creation; courts again have been side lined. And in both cases many PILs were all filed. All entertained for a while and then quickly disposed away (with out media fan fare). So I don't think the BJP top brass are fools, their mastery in forming laws seems to be quite good. It is in Info & Broadcasting, Education kind of portfolios where BJP government's performance has been abysmal. And this will hit them when it comes to perception management.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jan 2021 20:01

Prem Kumar wrote:If after this judicial intervention, someone says we have "pillars of democracy", "checks & balances" or "balance of power", its a joke.

As I have stated above, we expected the Modi-sarkar to be an alpha-dog. It turned out to be a whimpering mongrel.

Many will twist themselves to explain the uber-chankian'ness of it all

nothing has happened yet.

the needless bluster is precisely because only one is a globally acknowledged alpha

people who impetuously jumped into the deep end have suddenly realized that running a govt is not easy.

an extremely powerful and assertive parliament on the one side and a ragtag bunch of "farmers" fronting for some greedy political families arrayed on the other.

If mishandled, it could well precipitate an ugly constitutional crisis with one party having the demonstrated numbers for impeachment, should it desire to go the distance

this is not the time for chest thumping, not with the hans backed into a corner and stuck at the Indian border waiting to lash out.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jan 2021 20:14

Bar & Bench@barandbench · Jan 11

Senior Adv PS Narasimha appears for Indian Kisan Union: large number of organizations believe that this law is beneficial for them. Before any interim order is granted, we need to be heard.

CJI: even if your argument is valid it does not help the solution to the problem

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 12 Jan 2021 20:22

chetak wrote:
nothing has happened yet.

the needless bluster is precisely because only one is a globally acknowledged alpha

people who impetuously jumped into the deep end have suddenly realized that running a govt is not easy.

an extremely powerful and assertive parliament on the one side and a ragtag bunch of "farmers" fronting for some greedy political families arrayed on the other.

If mishandled, it could well precipitate an ugly constitutional crisis with one party having the demonstrated numbers for impeachment, should it desire to go the distance

this is not the time for chest thumping, not with the hans backed into a corner and stuck at the Indian border waiting to lash out.

very well put ...

There is well thought conspiracy by a lot of anti-national forces who created a lot of conspiracies and pushed Jat skihs into the foreground. As soon as you see Saleem a.k.a Yogendra Yadav leading the fight, it is clear who is behind. Slowly Kahlistanis/Jihadis/Commies pushed their propaganda Ambani/Adani going to take over your lands. Many Jat Sikhs believe it.

Saleem and his handlers are very smart. They refuse to discuss clauses. They refuse to participate in any committee because everything of their claims is based on propaganda and apprehension.

The failure is not anticipating and allowing the crowd to gather. But here Amarinder Singh, Kujli played an important role in getting these farmers.

Now that it has happened, the crowd has to be dispersed and cleared up by using sama, dana, bedha techniques. Dandam can't be used.

ManSingh · Post by **ManSingh** » 12 Jan 2021 20:37

Vidur wrote:
chetak wrote:frame and keep in a prominent place of honor

Indeed !

Are there any legal experts here ? I would be interested to know what the views are on

-Sovereignty of Parliament
-Limits of SC Powers and who has the final say
- Role of President

My questions are from a legal and constitutional structure POV not a tactical POV on current situation. This judgement has far reaching implications.

Not a legal expert. Personally I think policy matters should be the responsibility of the government and these types of judgments are regressive.

But the answer to your question, in my opinion. There is no limit to any law being subject to judicial review. Generally any law added to the 9th schedule of the constitution by parliament is assumed to be outside the purview of judiciary. But this has been reverted in the past with supreme court saying any law that violates fundamental rights even if placed in 9th schedule are subject to judicial scrutiny.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india/9t ... PiI5L.html

The current judgment is not a unique one.
https://www.livemint.com/opinion/online ... 60706.html

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... s?from=mdr

As an example, compelling action by the state authorities through the power of mandamus is an inherent power vested in the judiciary. However, substituting mandamus with a takeover of functions of another organ may, at times, become a case of overreach. These are all delicate issues, which need to be addressed cautiously. All organs, including the judiciary, must ensure that the dividing line between them are not breached

Sometimes judicial over reach is required due to political blunders. You may read Shah Bano case.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jan 2021 21:04

@ManSingh ji

People go to court when unhappy... not when they are happy about something...

how can anyone in the judiciary make such a statement that there is not a single petition before us which says that farm laws are beneficial to the farmers

a constitutional court can only stay a law if it perceives any imperfection or deficiency in the said law. It cannot arbitrarily do so "to facilitate consultations".

"to facilitate consultations" may not even legal grounds for stay.

can the right to free speech be stayed by anyone because some of some ongoing consultations

Vidur · Post by **Vidur** » 12 Jan 2021 21:15

Sachin wrote:Perhaps it would be better to start a fresh thread exclusively track the 'Farmer broker' drama. As there seems to be too many posts on this subject .
Members of SC panel on agri laws pro-govt, won't appear before it, say Farmer unions
The committee was formed by Hon. SC, and the 'farmer brokers' say that they are government stooges . So looks like Hon. SC also had an intention to bring the 'farmer brokers' to negotiation table, to a set of people who are not politicians and can explain the rationale behind the laws. The committee members are aware of agriculture situation and trends etc. And most likely 'farmer brokers' will not be able *logically* argue against the laws, so emotional dramas are all what they can do.

Understand that there are some more arguments in the Supreme Court today in which the AG had stated that terror outfits had infiltrated the protest. The AG is to file an additional affidavit and also place information from the Intelligence Bureau. My hope is that IB had lied low but gleaned enough information on the true agenda and the back stage players of this charade.

Prem Kumar wrote:As I have stated above, we expected the Modi-sarkar to be an alpha-dog. It turned out to be a whimpering mongrel.
I tend to disagree. Yes, I too had certain hopes on the BJP governments and they are diabolically slow (or useless) in some areas. But we must also think about the success stories they have. CAA; courts are no where in the picture. J&K Union Territory creation; courts again have been side lined. And in both cases many PILs were all filed. All entertained for a while and then quickly disposed away (with out media fan fare). So I don't think the BJP top brass are fools, their mastery in forming laws seems to be quite good. It is in Info & Broadcasting, Education kind of portfolios where BJP government's performance has been abysmal. And this will hit them when it comes to perception management.

Re CAA, the rules have not been notified therefore the implementation is in abeyance in effect.

ManSingh · Post by **ManSingh** » 12 Jan 2021 21:21

chetak wrote:@ManSingh ji

People go to court when unhappy... not when they are happy about something...

how can anyone in the judiciary make such a statement that there is not a single petition before us which says that farm laws are beneficial to the farmers

a constitutional court can only stay a law if it perceives any imperfection or deficiency in the said law. It cannot arbitrarily do so "to facilitate consultations".

can the right to free speech be stayed by anyone because some of some ongoing consultations

True but what you are saying is one statement that has been placed out of context.

Yesterday, Attorney general Venugopal made a comment during proceedings asking for farm laws not to be suspended. The supreme court was saying that they intend to create a committee. The AG while agreeing to the formation of a committee asked for the laws not to be placed in suspension till the committee deliberates as there are farm organizations that have come to the government saying the laws are beneficial to them. The supreme court asked for proof saying that not a single party/lawyer has petitioned before it in favour of the laws. It is a standard practice to petition courts to be made a party to any ongoing/pending case ( including PIL's ) when the judgment is expected to adversely affect you. There were none before it yesterday.

Yes, a court should be only involved on the constitutional validity of a law. But this has not been standard practice for years and they have been involved in policy matters mainly to keep governments in check. Frankly speaking sometimes it has been good that they have been involved.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 12 Jan 2021 21:42

Vidur wrote:Re CAA, the rules have not been notified therefore the implementation is in abeyance in effect.

Agreed with that. Amit Shah's promise was to notify the rules after the COVID pandemic is under control. But let us wait & watch

. But on J&K problem solving we must have to say that this was a plan well made & well executed. Kashmir is cleaned up and Jehadis and the corrupt political system is now in shambles. I don't think another insurgency will come up here. And perhaps that could be the reason why the 'Khalistan' flavour of terrorism is now brought up. And if my memory serves right; it was after the Punjab insurgency was suppressed problems started in Kashmir (early 1990s).

ManSingh wrote:The supreme court asked for proof saying that not a single party/lawyer has petitioned before it in favour of the laws.

In the affidavit filed by GoI it has been clearly said that there are farmer groups who are in favour of the laws. Their interests were any where represented by GoI and its advocates.

Yes, a court should be only involved on the constitutional validity of a law. But this has not been standard practice for years and they have been involved in policy matters mainly to keep governments in check.

But that may not work out always and every time. Supreme Court also has some mandates on what kind of legal scrutiny they can do. They cannot stay/annul laws passed by the elected representatives by using L&O issues etc. as an excuse. Hon. SC has now lost of a bit of its sheen, when the protestors have said they will not bother to work with this committee. So much for their respect for judiciary. GoI will now for sure file appeals and further affidavits stating that this earlier plans of committee etc. is useless and GoI should be allowed to go on with its business (of law making). Now IB would certainly be providing details on Khalistani & 'tukde tukde' gang involvement. This will once again reveal the true colours of the protesting brokers. And there is now also some confusion among the various protesting gangs on how to continue the protest. One group talks about a tractor rally, where as some others says they will protest in more peaceful manners. Rest assured more fissures will now start appearing within their ranks.

dsreedhar · Post by **dsreedhar** » 12 Jan 2021 21:55

I have a question. Somewhere i saw there was a request to allow court option for dispute resolution. The farm bills have 3 level channel. Did the govt agree to the court option? Provide any reference link available.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jan 2021 22:02

ManSingh wrote: Yes, a court should be only involved on the constitutional validity of a law. But this has not been standard practice for years and they have been involved in policy matters mainly to keep governments in check. Frankly speaking sometimes it has been good that they have been involved.

until one day, someone stares right back at the court and decides to take them down

This is not an arena for hurt feelings but it's the sacred and hallowed grounds of the constitution.

There are fences put up for a reason and why some are more equal than others.

when the some who are more equal than others have spoken clearly and there is no legal challenge to a law that they have passed then it is time for all the others to sit down.

One group or pillar using various strategems has followed the cheeni method of salami slicing and dicing to insidiously creep forward and acquire for themselves untrammeled powers that no other judiciary on earth has and no other democracy on earth permits or tolerates them to have.

this is not what was envisaged by the people who gave us the Indian constitution.

these powers have been obtained because the commies helped quash all opposition to ensure that a hegemon with unrivaled capacity for oversight takes shape and it is a demonstration of the power wielded by the BIF over the people of India.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 12 Jan 2021 22:21

dsreedhar wrote:Somewhere i saw there was a request to allow court option for dispute resolution. The farm bills have 3 level channel. Did the govt agree to the court option? Provide any reference link available.

As per the existing Farm laws, the dispute resolution mechanism was primarily through the executive magistrate (SDM) route. In fact this would have been more easier as the SDM/RDO courts are more easily approachable. The judicial route as we all know is much more time taking. For some strange reason the 'farmer brokers' were against it. The central government in pricipal had agreed to change this so that judicial courts would be dealing with violations of provisions in the act. Explained: In farm laws, the dispute settlement provision Govt has offered to roll back.

To be frank the 'farmer brokers' may actually have found things easier with the SDM/RDO court as these are basically government appointments, with strong political pressure. The judicial courts, though slow; would have been more neutral.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jan 2021 22:25

Some of the changes that Modi has brought about in empowering the poor is unimaginable and really out of this world.

Yes, there is still a long way to go but at least the journey has begun.

In Janpath traffic light, comes a transgender asking 4 alms. I tell her I got only cards, no money. She winks at me, smiles & asks to Paytm/PhonePe with a "digital bano didi, Modi ko nahi suna" I couldn't but smile ear 2 ear.

PM Modi's #DigitalIndia is really transformative.

10:37 PM · Jan 11, 2021·

via@Priya_PRS

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 12 Jan 2021 22:32

It is not the supreme court's business to keep a democratically elected government "in check", their responsibility begins and ends in ensuring the acts of parliament and promogulated laws are within the confines of the constitution and that the laws don't do anything to abridge the fundamental rights of the citizens. By unilaterally deciding to put a stay order on laws passed by the parliament and setting up its own committee of "experts", the judiciary is indicating they can and will arbitrarily take over the function of legislative and executive. By setting such a precedence, the court has only confirmed the long held suspicion that they harbor a deep desire to replicate Iftikhar Chowdary's activist supreme court in the banana republic of Pakistan.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jan 2021 22:45

Ambar wrote:It is not the supreme court's business to keep a democratically elected government "in check", their responsibility begins and ends in ensuring the acts of parliament and promogulated laws are within the confines of the constitution and that the laws don't do anything to abridge the fundamental rights of the citizens. By unilaterally deciding to put a stay order on laws passed by the parliament and setting up its own committee of "experts", the judiciary is indicating they can and will arbitrarily take over the function of legislative and executive. By setting such a precedence, the court has only confirmed the long held suspicion that they harbor a deep desire to replicate Iftikhar Chowdary's activist supreme court in the banana republic of Pakistan.

Indeed.

If someday xi decides to have a go at India, will they then summon him for consultations and to depose before a committee chaired by prashant bushan and susannah roy.

will they stay the war or what

the tyrany of the unelected as well as the unelectable.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jan 2021 23:04

Names of Committee members mentioned by the CJI-led bench :

1. Bhupinder Singh Mann.
2. Ashok Gulati
3. Anil Ghanwant
4. Pramod K Joshi.

All 4 have publicly supported the #FarmLaws

someone is playing cricket: watching their line and length very carefully indeed.

playing at such rarefied heights can be very educational as well as deeply sobering

ManSingh · Post by **ManSingh** » 12 Jan 2021 23:06

Sachin wrote:
This will once again reveal the true colours of the protesting brokers. And there is now also some confusion among the various protesting gangs on how to continue the protest. One group talks about a tractor rally, where as some others says they will protest in more peaceful manners. Rest assured more fissures will now start appearing within their ranks.

This is a good thing. Non-farm leaders must be given the boot.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 12 Jan 2021 23:14

Winning is more important than the fleeting satisfaction of sledging, that is NaMo style