India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Najunamar · Post by **Najunamar** » 21 Jan 2021 03:35

KLPDji, why should it be either/or not and? We can have both Indian diaspora getting better inoculated against dhimmification through better education of their samskrithi while expanding the fold. Anyways not to go too far away from topic, next gen is not totally lost although my sampling size is small. We may yet see good Indian-American leaders emerge that are not anti-India.

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 21 Jan 2021 05:12

Trump officials were sanctioned by China as Biden was being sworn in.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Jan 2021 06:16

S-400 is a legitimate defense product.
India has no plans to buy F35 or such stuff.
The other planes are not worth it..

There won't be any sanctions.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 21 Jan 2021 10:42

The real fun is going to start when OMB submits FY22 budget to congress asking for military aid to Pak. Only 2,500 US troops in AfPak, so what will be the military aid? My guess is the BiHar regime can easily get away with $400 million. More than that, there maybe questions. I think they would like to provide closer $800 million to make up for the last 4 years.

venkat_r · Post by **venkat_r** » 21 Jan 2021 14:03

Sanctions for S400 is not likely, as India has moved way beyond that stage and also after the Nuclear deal, such sanctions are unlikely.

If anything Indian Navy is getting pretty latest US arms P8 I, sea guardians and MH 60 romeos. But it is good to have different sources for engines.

venkat_r · Post by **venkat_r** » 21 Jan 2021 14:08

Rona Dhona on Indian diaspora is somewhat comical here. Not sure if the situation is that bad.

Also if India or Indian ( mostly Hindu) community is not able to build a narrative, how can you you blame the next gen kids? They will read what is available, somehow to think that they are stupid or fit for nothing does not get you anywhere. Some orgs are doing a good job, but it is not just the job of religious organizations Chinmaya, etc IMHO.

That being said, I would highly appreciate if there are any good books that they can recommend for kids or adults to read to get good understanding on India.

kit · Post by **kit** » 21 Jan 2021 14:24

ramana wrote:S-400 is a legitimate defense product.
India has no plans to buy F35 or such stuff.
The other planes are not worth it..There won't be any sanctions.

S400 is just one., the CAATSA, which would apply a variety of sanctions to individuals and organizations that engage in 'transactions with the intelligence or defence sectors of the Russian Federation'.

As our heading says its an oxymoron ., enable an American administration to interpret it whichever way it wants .. "Seriously flawed " was what Trump said when he signed it off.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Jan 2021 15:15

ramana wrote:S-400 is a legitimate defense product.
India has no plans to buy F35 or such stuff.
The other planes are not worth it..

There won't be any sanctions.

they are going to be using CAATSA to make sure that India stays out of the russian arms market.

they will enforce it and after "negotiations" will "relent" and exempt India but only after they make their point.

the biden gang anyway have it in for russia so it is as much a strike against russia and a sideswipe warning to India.

We should stand up to any bullying by the leftshyte biden gang or it is down the slippery slope on the pakis, cashmere, "lack" of religious freedom and so called majoritarianism by the evil Hindus

the amerikis are still very hopeful of pushing off their mostly end of life aeroplanes to India by arm twisting and outright threats.

The frenchies are eager to step into the breach and will undercut the amerikis but again using their end of life products which at least come with nil political costs and nil maudlin ideology

we simply can not be cut off from leasing russki nuclear subs which will be the very first casualty.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Jan 2021 17:56

and they're off.......

Reuters, owned by the UK-based Thomson Reuters group is first off the mark.

many more commies and liberandus will surely follow.

we surely don't need any trade deals with the "brexited" britshits, paki loving aholes.

Reuters’ ‘First Dogs’ video after Trump leaves White House is quite racist, especially towards India and Japan

Distasteful video by Reuters on 'First Dogs' of US is racist towards the two Asian leaders

Reuters, owned by the UK-based Thomson Reuters group, shared a video on the former US Presidents and their ‘dogs’. Reuters put out a video hailing Joe Biden’s dog ‘Major’, a German Shepherd, as the first rescue dog to be welcomed into the White House. Not just Biden’s dog, Reuters went on to point out that former Presidents too had pets in the White House during their presidency.

Reuters takes a cheap potshot at two Asian Prime Ministers

However, when depicting Trump’s apparent lack of interest in pets, the Reuters video added the clips of two Asian nation heads, Indian PM Narendra Modi and former Japanese PM Shinzo Abe meeting President Trump. From thousands of clips of former President Trump, Reuters chose the one with PM Modi and ex Japanese PM Shinzo Abe while talking about ‘pets’. Interestingly, both these world leaders were awarded ‘Legion of Merit’ – one of the highest military awards of the United States Armed Forces.

There are literally thousands of video clips of ex-President Trump, but Reuters chose to use the one with two Asian leaders on its video on White House pets and dogs.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 21 Jan 2021 20:12

The UK has been one of the favourite lapdogs of the US, for decades.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 21 Jan 2021 20:34

Now that Joe has hauled in his belongings to 1600 Penn, stocked the medicine cabinet, found the best spot in the basement for napping, etc...

He claims the administration will be focused on climate change. That would make him and Modi saar natural partners on at least one major issue. I agree this is a great idea.

On immigration, I would expect him to get to the H1B and other temporary worker issues soon. I have no interest in his executive orders on illegal mexicans etc which have nothing to do with India, so please don't waste time posting on that.

On China+Pak, let us see how it develops.

That's pretty much it.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 21 Jan 2021 20:46

Varoon Shekhar wrote:The UK has been one of the favourite lapdogs of the US, for decades.

Sir Lapdog in 70's and 80's
Now they just 'Twerk' for mutual gratification

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 21 Jan 2021 20:59

On the inauguration and oath-taking ceremony: on the BBC very clear pictures of Biden placing his hand on the Bible held by his wife!!
No zooming of the Kamal Harris oath-taking!!
Very interesting to note what book Mr Harris was holding?? Him being a practising Jew ( if I am not mistaken)
Would come as a reality check to some of the Desi-folks who have started a lot of 'Kite-Flying'

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 21 Jan 2021 21:30

This is going to be rough ride

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_S ... diatoday-2

Personal life
She is married to Mike Smith, the political director for Nancy Pelosi, the United States House of Representatives' Speaker.[5] She is the grand-daughter of Sardar Jag Jit Singh (Sardar J J Singh), a freedom fighter.[2]

sreerudra · Post by **sreerudra** » 21 Jan 2021 21:54

KL Dubey wrote:From Indian perspective, US granting green cards to large numbers of Indians is not in our interest. India is already suffering a massive brain drain due to emigration of the best and brightest. One could justify that back in the last millennium by saying those opportunities just weren't there in India. But can't keep doing that in future. We need to keep our high skilled people back in India and put them to use. Of course there will be always a population of high achievers who need to be able to access real opportunities in the US.

What we should care about is that the H1B visas keep going smoothly. This benefits our companies. People work in US for 3-6 years, gain new experience, and go back home.

KL saheb, I beg to differ. One of India's strengths is the volumes of best brains it can produce. We should export that to expand our presence in US universities as Xis do. If you look at academia in the US 50% is filled with Xis. Finally, they are in a position to call shots as they are all being promoted to be the Dept Chairs, etc. This is where Chink's strengths that they could do programs like bribing Harvard's best to steal technology before it even hatches from the labs.

We need our strengths represented all over the world to promote Dharma. Even Vivekananda did not sit at home under a banyan tree to promote our culture. Our strength is our people.

Thanks to Modi, the quality of life and respect to different jobs making India a much better and tolerant place. So, easy GC doesn't mean best brains migrate.. They'd rather do a startup and enjoy life in Bharat.

sreerudra · Post by **sreerudra** » 21 Jan 2021 22:01

Rsatchi wrote:On the inauguration and oath-taking ceremony: on the BBC very clear pictures of Biden placing his hand on the Bible held by his wife!!
No zooming of the Kamal Harris oath-taking!!
Very interesting to note what book Mr Harris was holding?? Him being a practising Jew ( if I am not mistaken)
Would come as a reality check to some of the Desi-folks who have started a lot of 'Kite-Flying'

https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris- ... ro-1563115

sreerudra · Post by **sreerudra** » 21 Jan 2021 22:04

Mort Walker wrote:The real fun is going to start when OMB submits FY22 budget to congress asking for military aid to Pak. Only 2,500 US troops in AfPak, so what will be the military aid? My guess is the BiHar regime can easily get away with $400 million. More than that, there maybe questions. I think they would like to provide closer $800 million to make up for the last 4 years.

But who is there to question? They can just give $10B to stop the religious prosecution of Xians in Pak and they play blind-eye like previous administrations. It is only DJT's administration that questioned the use of F-16s on India. This ain't fun. This the return of Godzilla.

sreerudra · Post by **sreerudra** » 21 Jan 2021 22:06

Cyrano wrote:Congratulations to President Joe R Biden and Vice President Kamala D Harris !

I remain optimistic about the future of India-US relations under this new administration. Compared to the last time Dems were in power, India's stature and grown, and we have governance continuity that will help sustain and further several axes of collaboration over the next four years.

The large number of Indian origin experts and administrators in the new GOTUS I hope and believe will do more good to this relationship than previous regimes.

India can and must engage, engage strongly, proactively with Biden administration instead of adopting a reactive approach.

I can understand the festive mood.. I am sure everyone is cautiously optimistic.. What returned to power is not the sleepy Biden, but the evil behind him that puts him to sleep.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Jan 2021 22:10

Varoon Shekhar wrote:The UK has been one of the favourite lapdogs of the US, for decades.

not out of choice which the UK just does not have any more but more of the sheer fear of being left out and marginalised on the world stage.

the UK has become irrelevant.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 22 Jan 2021 11:49

While suspicion and rnd wrt the Biden admin is popular on brf, noises elsewhere seem to suggest that the US India bonhomie will continue unabated....B1s may join Aero India, wot? Plus new sec def clarifies that India's status as major defence ally will only be strengthened. Plus there are noises about caatsa vs china.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newind ... 252977.amp

Seems to me that deep state is realizing it's a bigger advantage to have India on it's side than otherwise.

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 22 Jan 2021 12:34

Joe Biden keeps Dems with RSS-BJP links out

As strategists parse the nearly 20 Indian-Americans appointed in the Biden administration, noteworthy are those who didn’t make it.

Obama administration staffer Sonal Shah as well as Amit Jani, who worked on the Biden campaign team, have so far been excluded, allegedly due their RSS-BJP links, which has been brought into the limelight by over a dozen Indian-American organisations.

Biden’s team has people like senior diplomat Uzra Zeya, who had played a role in the Devyani Khobragade case, or Samira Fazili, who had joined protest rallies in the US against the CAA, NRC and the Kashmir lockdown. But those with RSS-BJP links have not found a place as secular Indian-American organisations have maintained the pressure on the Biden-Harris transition team to keep such individuals on the sidelines, said sources.

The Democrats may have been more circumspect over accommodating pro-BJP-RSS elements in the government following renewed activism by organisations opposed to the Hindutva project and also after witnessing the fate of such candidates, added the sources.

Congressional candidate Sri Preston Kulkarni lost the elections after strident opposition from Indian-American organisations and former US Congressperson Tulsi Gabbard also lost political ground because of this reason.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 22 Jan 2021 12:46

^^ Note how they use Indian-American organization instead of Islamic organization. Such is the state of Indian media.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Jan 2021 13:01

vimal wrote:^^ Note how they use Indian-American organization instead of Islamic organization. Such is the state of Indian media.

we forget that the vatican now has a very strong say in the whitehouse because after JFK, and many decades later, biden is their catholic point man.

WASPs may have to take a back seat momentarily

commie commala is black baptist so rome will make hay quickly while sleepy joe is awake.

all sorts of wronguns have suddenly acquired clout in the new administration and will use it to try and take down India and Modi.

the congi stars may even start to shine a little brighter now with powerful FFNGOs back in the fray

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Jan 2021 13:06

Cain Marko wrote:While suspicion and rnd wrt the Biden admin is popular on brf, noises elsewhere seem to suggest that the US India bonhomie will continue unabated....B1s may join Aero India, wot? Plus new sec def clarifies that India's status as major defence ally will only be strengthened. Plus there are noises about caatsa vs china.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newind ... 252977.amp

Seems to me that deep state is realizing it's a bigger advantage to have India on it's side than otherwise.

The deep state's agenda is unwavering and it is a significant part of the BIF.

Nothing will deter them as far as their views and agenda on India is concerned.

The noise about CAATSA vs china is to acquire a controlling interest over the pakis so that their cooperation is forthcoming for the AFPAK.

It will be rejected both by the pakis as well as the hans.

The amerikis are playing the puerly transactional game with the pakis and the bone that the pakis are demanding is cashmere and full control over all the waters therein.

That is a very easy price for the amerikis to pay considering the fact that what the pakis are demanding is not even owned by amerikis in the first place, so whose father what goes

Whereas with India, the game is civilizational and it's the age old desert cults vs the pagans/heathens. The two antagonists of the crusades have temporarily become partners to share the spoils of what the BIF can wrest from the Hindus

The US has benefited enormously and incalculably from Indian emigres and but has never paid even the most infinitesimal part of the cost of acquiring such intellectual assets.

It is an enormous loss for India and a cost that cannot continue to be borne eternally by the Indian taxpayer or even the Hindu nation.

The ameriki deep state is completely dedicated to the extraction of such resources from India and pushing for the hastened demise, break up and division of the larger pagan prize

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 22 Jan 2021 19:40

A New Uncertainty
The momentum towards deeper US-India strategic collaboration could slow if Joe Biden’s foreign policy returns to an accommodationist approach towards China

https://openthemagazine.com/cover-stori ... certainty/

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Jan 2021 22:39

doormat journos from where else but runditeevee

abject obeisance to he who pays the piper and all that..........

thank god that we have been spared the journalistic exertions of madam dharwad university associate professor currently on permanent sabbatical.

the consistency of their editorial policy is admirable and rooted in the ancient colonial practice of whiteman boot licking by house niggers

however, coconut james is sounding a tad constipated.

must be a big one if he has to go Woooooohooooo

Now all the gunga dins are eagerly waiting for biden/comma la to attack modi.

Vikram Chandra@vikramchandra · Jan 20

President Joe Biden now in charge of the US. The world can breathe again.

Prannoy Roy@PrannoyRoyNDTV · Jan 20

Ex-president Trump. Woooooohooooo.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 23 Jan 2021 00:13

Self-deleted. Wrong thread.

Rishi_Tri · Post by **Rishi_Tri** » 23 Jan 2021 00:26

"Biden administration to revive military-to-military ties with Pakistan"

https://www.dawn.com/news/1602541/biden ... h-pakistan

"The Biden administration sees Pakistan as an “essential partner” in any peace process in Afghanistan and believes that “continuing to build relationships with Pakistan’s military will provide openings for the United States and Pakistan to cooperate on key issues,” says its nominated defence chief Gen Lloyd J Austin."

When asked what changes he would recommend to US relations with Pakistan as the new defence chief, Gen Austin said: “I will focus on our shared interests which include training future Pakistan military leaders through the use of International Military Education and Training funds. Pakistan will play an important role in any political settlement in Afghanistan. We also need to work with Pakistan to defeat al Qaeda and the Islamic State Khorasan Province (ISIS-K) and to enhance regional stability.”

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 23 Jan 2021 03:37

Rishi_Tri wrote:"Biden administration to revive military-to-military ties with Pakistan"

https://www.dawn.com/news/1602541/biden ... h-pakistan

"The Biden administration sees Pakistan as an “essential partner” in any peace process in Afghanistan and believes that “continuing to build relationships with Pakistan’s military will provide openings for the United States and Pakistan to cooperate on murdering Indians,” says its nominated defence chief Gen Lloyd J Austin."

When asked what changes he would recommend to US relations with Pakistan as the new defence chief, Gen Austin said: “I will focus on our shared interests which include ethnic cleansing of Hindus, training future Pakistan military leaders through the use of International Military Education and Training funds. Pakistan will play an important role in any political settlement in Afghanistan. We also need to work with Pakistan to defeat al Qaeda and the Islamic State Khorasan Province (ISIS-K) and to enhance regional stability.”

This was predicted some time ago. The question is how much military aid will it be given that US forces have been reduced to 2,500 in the region? We will have some idea by late March early April. It may be enough for TSP military to acquire spares and resolve ammunition shortages. Expect terrorism to heat up and borders to become hot by this time next year.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 23 Jan 2021 04:26

Rishi_Tri wrote:"Biden administration to revive military-to-military ties with Pakistan"

https://www.dawn.com/news/1602541/biden ... h-pakistan

When asked what changes he would recommend to US relations with Pakistan as the new defence chief, Gen Austin said: “I will focus on our shared interests which include training future Pakistan military leaders through the use of International Military Education and Training funds..”

Ok, that's it, folks. Kashmir is gone. No way we can hold on to it now that new TSPA leadership cadre is going to be trained with IMET funds, making them effectively invincible ghazis.

Also the US is so omnipotent that it controls everything that can happen in the Indian subcontinent. If terrorist activity in J&K goes up in the future there can be no other cause besides the outcome of 2020 US elections.

You have been warned!

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 23 Jan 2021 04:52

Mort Walker wrote:
Rishi_Tri wrote:"Biden administration to revive military-to-military ties with Pakistan"

https://www.dawn.com/news/1602541/biden ... h-pakistan

"The Biden administration sees Pakistan as an “essential partner” in any peace process in Afghanistan and believes that “continuing to build relationships with Pakistan’s military will provide openings for the United States and Pakistan to cooperate on murdering Indians,” says its nominated defence chief Gen Lloyd J Austin."

When asked what changes he would recommend to US relations with Pakistan as the new defence chief, Gen Austin said: “I will focus on our shared interests which include ethnic cleansing of Hindus, training future Pakistan military leaders through the use of International Military Education and Training funds. Pakistan will play an important role in any political settlement in Afghanistan. We also need to work with Pakistan to defeat al Qaeda and the Islamic State Khorasan Province (ISIS-K) and to enhance regional stability.”
This was predicted some time ago. The question is how much military aid will it be given that US forces have been reduced to 2,500 in the region? We will have some idea by late March early April. It may be enough for TSP military to acquire spares and resolve ammunition shortages. Expect terrorism to heat up and borders to become hot by this time next year.

the problem is how much effort in terms of human resources and treasure will we expend in pinning back a reinvigorated paki army and their fearless crore commander leaders.

it will certainly help them financially in places like world bank, IMF etc if they had a much less hostile US in their corner pissing out rather than on the outside pissing in.

no losing cashmere. Not with our forces and swiggy like delivery capabilities.

but we could be looking at a somewhat milder version of the nixon kissinger ride to help the pakis and at the same pin back India.

but which way will the US jump on china.

will they continue with the trump policies or move radically away to appease/mollycoddle the hans

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 23 Jan 2021 07:35

Rudradev wrote:
Rishi_Tri wrote:"Biden administration to revive military-to-military ties with Pakistan"

https://www.dawn.com/news/1602541/biden ... h-pakistan

When asked what changes he would recommend to US relations with Pakistan as the new defence chief, Gen Austin said: “I will focus on our shared interests which include training future Pakistan military leaders through the use of International Military Education and Training funds..”
Ok, that's it, folks. Kashmir is gone. No way we can hold on to it now that new TSPA leadership cadre is going to be trained with IMET funds, making them effectively invincible ghazis.

Also the US is so omnipotent that it controls everything that can happen in the Indian subcontinent. If terrorist activity in J&K goes up in the future there can be no other cause besides the outcome of 2020 US elections.

You have been warned!

This isn't only IMET funds. Funds for TSPA to support Afghan operations will be included which has bipartisan support from people like Lindsey Graham. What makes funding this harder is the drawdown of US troops in the region to 2,500. TSPA and Pentagon contacts have been degrading for the past several years going back to the kill of OBL. From India's point of view, this is a good thing, but ramping up of military aid in the 100s millions of dollars is very detrimental AND IMET is a bad thing. I would suggest that you pay attention to what Neera Tandon says about USAID in the FY22 OMB and the FY22 NDAA submissions. Both of these should happen by April at the latest.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 23 Jan 2021 08:07

sreerudra wrote:KL saheb, I beg to differ. One of India's strengths is the volumes of best brains it can produce. We should export that to expand our presence in US universities as Xis do. If you look at academia in the US 50% is filled with Xis. Finally, they are in a position to call shots as they are all being promoted to be the Dept Chairs, etc. This is where Chink's strengths that they could do programs like bribing Harvard's best to steal technology before it even hatches from the labs.

East Asians (Chinese et al) find it difficult to climb the ladder. Sure there are a number of high performers in research, but there are very few on the administrative side. Indians/first-generation Indian-Americans are already present in large numbers on both sides. I am excluding second-generation people (US-born) since they have no roots/origins in India personally.

These academics have not been able/interested to do much for India - there are a few who have engaged productively, but a very small percentage. India has got nearly nothing out of these "brains". This idea of just "hoping for the best" from emigrants and their descendants is not productive. It's like asking a bank to give free money to people hoping one day when they are successful they will remember the bank and return the money and more.

It does not work that way, there is either an expectation of paying interest or some specific payback in the future. I am not sure what results (if any) have been yielded by "pravasi bharatiya sammelans".

China has got something out of their highly educated emigrants, because it exercises certain controls and has got them actively engaged (or rather "strongly persuaded" them to engage) by hook or by crook. Hooks are the huge spending on R&D and luring chinese-born academics in the west back to China...prominent magazines like Science routinely run 20-page ads for Chinese universities that are looking to hire. It's the "crook" methods and illegitimate expectations (e.g., stealing knowhow) that have caused quite a lot of problems for Chinese academics and researchers in the USA.

The idea of "exporting brains" is well past its expiry date. There is no value of brains unless they can be put to work. There is plenty of work to be done in India. We have no policy for controlling emigration to suit ourselves, and no multifacted policy to put some serious investment into developing an innovation-based economy using our "brains".

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 23 Jan 2021 08:15

The problem with US is that foggy bottom and US DoD are not always in sync. US Dept of State is filled with paki sympathizers and china-apologists. And the incoming Sec of State is no friend of India. They want us to align with them on defence while needling us through internal inteference through DoS and expects us to tolerate it. Have to see how it plays out this time around.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 23 Jan 2021 08:21

^^If India is proactive in spelling out our interests and pursuing them (as I expect Modi and Jaishankar will be), then we will do just fine. People tend to get distracted by optics and media propaganda that has no real effect on India.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 23 Jan 2021 09:08

Biden policy means higher oil prices: Goldman

Higher oil prices will mean more money bleeding into Pak. Won't help the oil import bill either.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 23 Jan 2021 10:32

vera_k wrote:Biden policy means higher oil prices: Goldman

Higher oil prices will mean more money bleeding into Pak. Won't help the oil import bill either.

We have to wait and see. Politicians become pragmatists when money is involved and if oil companies donate to the party in power, we may see different results.

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/ ... hp?ind=e01

Rishi_Tri · Post by **Rishi_Tri** » 23 Jan 2021 11:14

Mort Walker wrote:
Rudradev wrote:
Ok, that's it, folks. Kashmir is gone. No way we can hold on to it now that new TSPA leadership cadre is going to be trained with IMET funds, making them effectively invincible ghazis.

Also the US is so omnipotent that it controls everything that can happen in the Indian subcontinent. If terrorist activity in J&K goes up in the future there can be no other cause besides the outcome of 2020 US elections.

You have been warned!
This isn't only IMET funds. Funds for TSPA to support Afghan operations will be included which has bipartisan support from people like Lindsey Graham. What makes funding this harder is the drawdown of US troops in the region to 2,500. TSPA and Pentagon contacts have been degrading for the past several years going back to the kill of OBL. From India's point of view, this is a good thing, but ramping up of military aid in the 100s millions of dollars is very detrimental AND IMET is a bad thing. I would suggest that you pay attention to what Neera Tandon says about USAID in the FY22 OMB and the FY22 NDAA submissions. Both of these should happen by April at the latest.

Hilal e Pakistan is answering the call of the benefactors.

Not that Cash-Mere is gone, just that things become tricky on the ground as expected. Lack of US and Saudi funding was it that brought Na-Pak economy to its knees over '18 and '19.

With funding from IMET and perhaps other nondescript sources, there shall be some money to through around.

One factor that may yet hamper Na-Pak is covid. With another $1.9 Tn stimulus in pipe, the Hilal e Pakistan himself shall be cash strapped.

But for sure, interesting times have begun.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Jan 2021 12:33

Rishi_Tri wrote:"Biden administration to revive military-to-military ties with Pakistan"

https://www.dawn.com/news/1602541/biden ... h-pakistan

"The Biden administration sees Pakistan as an “essential partner” in any peace process in Afghanistan and believes that “continuing to build relationships with Pakistan’s military will provide openings for the United States and Pakistan to cooperate on key issues,” says its nominated defence chief Gen Lloyd J Austin."

When asked what changes he would recommend to US relations with Pakistan as the new defence chief, Gen Austin said: “I will focus on our shared interests which include training future Pakistan military leaders through the use of International Military Education and Training funds. Pakistan will play an important role in any political settlement in Afghanistan. We also need to work with Pakistan to defeat al Qaeda and the Islamic State Khorasan Province (ISIS-K) and to enhance regional stability.”

This IMET program is the only tool in US toolbox with Pakistan military. This way they spot them young for later staging coups as needed.
Nothing to worry.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 23 Jan 2021 12:39

chetak wrote:The deep state's agenda is unwavering and it is a significant part of the BIF. Nothing will deter them as far as their views and agenda on India is concerned.

But that has always been the case - trump admin was no different. The danger wrt BIF is the internal forces that can be mustered, and there GOI has full authority and power to squeeze the right places. If Modi and Co. continues to give the US the carrot of economic gains, they can squeeze internal BIF forces all they want (e.g. Ford Foundation types). No big difference here.

The noise about CAATSA vs china is to acquire a controlling interest over the pakis so that their cooperation is forthcoming for the AFPAK.
It will be rejected both by the pakis as well as the hans.The amerikis are playing the puerly transactional game with the pakis and the bone that the pakis are demanding is cashmere and full control over all the waters therein.

Transactional - true. But what can the TSP really offer in return? Nothing. Really. That they haven't already offered, and that has been of little value to Dems since 2008. Note how Obama/Hillary contd. drone-wars on TSP soil.

That is a very easy price for the amerikis to pay considering the fact that what the pakis are demanding is not even owned by amerikis in the first place, so whose father what goes

If Amerikis don't own it, how can it be offered? There is an elephant in that room, it won't just walk away - its called India. Aint goin' nowhere. Promising Cashmere is like promising pie in sky. Goodluck to TSP if that's what they get in return for US strikes in FATA.

The two antagonists of the crusades have temporarily become partners to share the spoils of what the BIF can wrest from the Hindus

It may be, but that has ever been the case. Difference is the India of today is not that of yesteryears. India offers a LOT to both sides for them to try and screw it for questionable gains.

The US has benefited enormously and incalculably from Indian emigres and but has never paid even the most infinitesimal part of the cost of acquiring such intellectual assets.It is an enormous loss for India and a cost that cannot continue to be borne eternally by the Indian taxpayer or even the Hindu nation.
The ameriki deep state is completely dedicated to the extraction of such resources from India and pushing for the hastened demise, break up and division of the larger pagan prize

Again, how is this different from past years? The only difference today is that desh has awakened to the possibility of the BIF and Modi/Shah/Jaishanker/Yogi are a more formidable opposition than India has mustered in the last 2 centuries (or more). Good luck with that.