Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
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X band AESA seeker for our missiles... the one which looks a cake with candles..
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Rudram 3 images been deliberately released. 2nd time.
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This also has other implications: Helina's LOAL mode allows the WSI to select a target among many during the flight, put it in the box that tells the missile to home in. Not sure if that's possible with a radar homing seeker.bharathp wrote: Helina - Infrared Image seeker
SANT - active radar homing
SANT might also have an LOAL mode, but it might be an autonomous target acquisition by the missile itself
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On the missile is it written NG 1 ?nam wrote:Rudram 3 images been deliberately released. 2nd time.
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If you are referring to the DRDO sticker, then it is RCI
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There was a successful firing of Akash-NG missile earlier today. Apparently, the test also included interception of an electronic target which was also accomplished.
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"There was a successful firing of Akash-NG missile earlier today."
Congrats, quite impressive. And wasn't this test originally scheduled for March at the earliest? If so, a nice preponement
Congrats, quite impressive. And wasn't this test originally scheduled for March at the earliest? If so, a nice preponement
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https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1353680736948260865
https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1353689212260921351
BREAKING: Maiden test of Akash-NG (New Gen) conducted successfully. Details from
@DRDO_India
https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1353689212260921351
A side-by-side of the Akash SAM and the Akash NG tested for the first time today:
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Will the Akash NG share the launcher of the original Akash?
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Seems like Astra mk2 and Akash NG might be the same missiles. The Astra 2 is supposed to have 160 km tail chase and launched from aircraft with velocity.
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So the ramjet is gone ?
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If they are the same missile, this makes the ground launch of Astra2. This design would require captive trails on Su30. I was hoping DRDO keeps the design similar as Astra1, to prevent lot of captive and flight test. Change the motor to dual pulse.
Let's see when the first test of Astra2 is planned.
Let's see when the first test of Astra2 is planned.
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Looks to be dual pulse rocket motor.srin wrote:So the ramjet is gone ?
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Active seeker for terminal homming , mid cousrse guidance with data link and dual pulse motor .
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Basically ground launched version for Indian AMRAAM. This version will definitely move on to IAF platforms.
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I think the launcher and the tracking radar are on a single 10X10 Tatra.
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Is it a dual pulse motor? The chatter from a few days back was that the Akash-NG was a single-pulse motor, which was a bit of a surprise for meshaun wrote:Active seeker for terminal homming , mid cousrse guidance with data link and dual pulse motor .
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Been calling this for a while, the Ramjet taken and improved up on from its predecessor SA-6 has far too many limitations on speed and range it is good we switched from it. FYI the Russian Buk which has done similar approach had its range limited to 30-40 km due to obsolete FCR which is not a limitation for us.srin wrote:So the ramjet is gone ?
Anyone got the length and weight looks far too big to be adapted for air launch.
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Not sure why people are calling on this to be adapted for a-to-a. We already have the Astra Mk2 with a dual pulse motor in the works. I am expecting it to have a similar design as this one but with smaller dimensions. Plus the SFDR is in development too which will have better energy retention at longer ranges.John wrote: Anyone got the length and weight looks far too big to be adapted for air launch.
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Looks like QRSAM is the IA update of Akash and Akash NG IAF update. IA wanted track and fire on the move, that's why it has got BSR, BMFR with 360 degree radar.
Using the same tech (BMFR), with changed missile is Akash NG. I feel the range is around 50KM, and if that is correct, then this is Astra 2. Akash NG is the land version of Astra 2. If the range is longer, then we wait to see what Astra 2 looks like.
Probably integrated with Arudhra to do a search and BMFR takes over for the kill. For Akash NG BMFR and launcher are probably in one vehicle.
Using the same tech (BMFR), with changed missile is Akash NG. I feel the range is around 50KM, and if that is correct, then this is Astra 2. Akash NG is the land version of Astra 2. If the range is longer, then we wait to see what Astra 2 looks like.
Probably integrated with Arudhra to do a search and BMFR takes over for the kill. For Akash NG BMFR and launcher are probably in one vehicle.
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Spyder MR uses EL2084 MFR. I am guessing we are using Arudhra( or Ashwini), passing on bogie info to BMFR.
Hope DRDO provides some good images and not just the launcher covered with smoke! Don't understand the need to hide things, when it will be made public in coming months..
Hope DRDO provides some good images and not just the launcher covered with smoke! Don't understand the need to hide things, when it will be made public in coming months..
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This is a wonderful development expedited by the post-Balakote assessment of state of AD
Don’t know why posters are saying this is a ground launched Astra or air launch capability etc? Outwardly, it looks nothing like Astra’s design and has more in common with MRSAM. Particularly the forward fins(although pushed back a bit) by and the motor diameter. Infact this could be a derated (and maybe cheaper ) version of the MRSAM with different seekers for more specialized targets like Cruise missiles, high value UAVs etc.
Since it uses local seeker and similar dimensions, can be produced as bigger lots and retrofitted to existing Akash batteries.
SFDR seem to be for A2A TD at this point
Don’t know why posters are saying this is a ground launched Astra or air launch capability etc? Outwardly, it looks nothing like Astra’s design and has more in common with MRSAM. Particularly the forward fins(although pushed back a bit) by and the motor diameter. Infact this could be a derated (and maybe cheaper ) version of the MRSAM with different seekers for more specialized targets like Cruise missiles, high value UAVs etc.
Since it uses local seeker and similar dimensions, can be produced as bigger lots and retrofitted to existing Akash batteries.
SFDR seem to be for A2A TD at this point
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Matches the wind tunnel picture that has been floating around for couple of years.Kakarat wrote:https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1353680736948260865...BREAKING: Maiden test of Akash-NG (New Gen) conducted successfully. Details from
@DRDO_IndiaA side-by-side of the Akash SAM and the Akash NG tested for the first time today:
Similar to an even older model shown during Aero India as Astra Mk.2.
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Looks like it..Ramjet means limited altitude to where air density is good.srin wrote:So the ramjet is gone ?
Eg low level intrusion.
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This is one fat lady! Looks like a very long range missile to take out radars from 200 or 300 kms away!nam wrote:Rudram 3 images been deliberately released. 2nd time.
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500 km +sudeepj wrote:This is one fat lady! Looks like a very long range missile to take out radars from 200 or 300 kms away!nam wrote:Rudram 3 images been deliberately released. 2nd time.
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You mean men and equipment at Sakesar will fall silent before they know what hit them
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I have trying to understand the Akash NG program. It is heavier than Barak8, but the length is almost similar. It is also as tall/little more taller than Astra.
Given the length, I would assume it is Astra 2. But the weight doesn't support this theory. Aim120 looks similar, but is thinner. I feel Astra 2 is Akash NG, but lighter/thinner. Let see when it comes out.
Shukla is telling that the range is 30km! I feel it is similar to Mica SAM with dual pulse, which is planned for test launch in 3 odd years. It is ranged at 40KM. So Akash NG might be around 40-50KM.
Why not just use a smaller Barak8 if we want a 50KM SAM? I feel our Yehudi brothers have reached a top notch level of miniaturization of actuators & avionics, which allowed them to keep Barak8 at 275kg, yet reach 70KM. We paid top dollars for this, but we don't own it.
Barak8 has achieved the perfect body shape and weight combo to achieve that range. Now I can see why XRSAM looks like Barak8 with boosters.
Given the length, I would assume it is Astra 2. But the weight doesn't support this theory. Aim120 looks similar, but is thinner. I feel Astra 2 is Akash NG, but lighter/thinner. Let see when it comes out.
Shukla is telling that the range is 30km! I feel it is similar to Mica SAM with dual pulse, which is planned for test launch in 3 odd years. It is ranged at 40KM. So Akash NG might be around 40-50KM.
Why not just use a smaller Barak8 if we want a 50KM SAM? I feel our Yehudi brothers have reached a top notch level of miniaturization of actuators & avionics, which allowed them to keep Barak8 at 275kg, yet reach 70KM. We paid top dollars for this, but we don't own it.
Barak8 has achieved the perfect body shape and weight combo to achieve that range. Now I can see why XRSAM looks like Barak8 with boosters.
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What is the weight of Akash NG ?
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Hemant Rout said Akash-NG has a 70 Km range & I'd bet my money on him.
I'd like to believe that Astra-2, Rudram & Akash-NG have the same set of core components, but vary according to their respective roles. But conspicuous by its absence of mention is any statement that Akash-NG has a dual pulse motor (except for the recent piece by Shukla). I wonder why.
The same Hemant Rout mentioned that Rudram has a dual-pulse motor.
Agree with you that the Barak-8 seems like a marvel in miniaturization. A missile with that range and a 275 Kg weight!
I'd like to believe that Astra-2, Rudram & Akash-NG have the same set of core components, but vary according to their respective roles. But conspicuous by its absence of mention is any statement that Akash-NG has a dual pulse motor (except for the recent piece by Shukla). I wonder why.
The same Hemant Rout mentioned that Rudram has a dual-pulse motor.
Agree with you that the Barak-8 seems like a marvel in miniaturization. A missile with that range and a 275 Kg weight!
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Notam for 190 kms area near Balasore issued for 'IAF exercise' from 1st Feb to 27th Feb. Meteor/Astra 2 Test?
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I have seen some AV's claiming this missile is a Massive Ordnance Penetrator (Bunker Buster) capable of penetrating different levels of underground protection depending on the rock level, steel and PSI strength of reinforced concrete used.sudeepj wrote:This is one fat lady! Looks like a very long range missile to take out radars from 200 or 300 kms away!nam wrote:Rudram 3 images been deliberately released. 2nd time.
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why would you need a MOAB t take out a relatively thin skinned radar installation ..aha., i get it ., read that nuke command control systems !!, hardened facilitiesVips wrote:I have seen some AV's claiming this missile is a Massive Ordnance Penetrator (Bunker Buster) capable of penetrating different levels of underground protection depending on the rock level, steel and PSI strength of reinforced concrete used.sudeepj wrote:
This is one fat lady! Looks like a very long range missile to take out radars from 200 or 300 kms away!
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I think this may not be the Rudram 3 as speculated but MOP.
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Akash NG, is supposed to be 70-80 Kms. It is our equivalent to the Barak-8 based MRSAM.
Will cost less than half as per some online speculation.
Will cost less than half as per some online speculation.
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Akash NG completes what we have started through barak 8 program. In barak 8, our expertise & contribution is towards rocket motor, actuators etc, on the lower section of the missile.nam wrote:I have trying to understand the Akash NG program. It is heavier than Barak8, but the length is almost similar. It is also as tall/little more taller than Astra.
Given the length, I would assume it is Astra 2. But the weight doesn't support this theory. Aim120 looks similar, but is thinner. I feel Astra 2 is Akash NG, but lighter/thinner. Let see when it comes out.
Shukla is telling that the range is 30km! I feel it is similar to Mica SAM with dual pulse, which is planned for test launch in 3 odd years. It is ranged at 40KM. So Akash NG might be around 40-50KM.
Why not just use a smaller Barak8 if we want a 50KM SAM? I feel our Yehudi brothers have reached a top notch level of miniaturization of actuators & avionics, which allowed them to keep Barak8 at 275kg, yet reach 70KM. We paid top dollars for this, but we don't own it.
Barak8 has achieved the perfect body shape and weight combo to achieve that range. Now I can see why XRSAM looks like Barak8 with boosters.
OTOH, here in Akash NG, we could see our contribution in the upper section of the missile. Thus completes what we started in barak 8 program. We parterned with Israel to compensate for the lack of / slow progress in certain tech. Akash NG sees that getting implemented in our own way.
Dont simply go by weight, range etc. Barak 8 has stringent qualitative requirement as it caters to naval system where weight & space matters. OTOH, Akash NG has more freedom being a land based system & it can be designed to the best of its capability without such restrictions. One should see this as advantage.
The way i see it, Akash NG represents the tier I implementation of Israeli tech that we absorbed along with our own contribution.
Another way to round off:
9M96 - Akash 1S /Akash NG
9M96E2 - Barak8 & its variants (long range)
48N6 - XRSAM
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Per a Defense AV: 2 More test of Akash NG are scheduled. First would test the indigenous seeker & guidance system while the second would test its warhead. The recent test was to validate its propulsion, aerodynamics and control systems.
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I believe Akash NG is intended to fill the gap between Akash (10-25km) and Barak-8 (intended for targets 50-100 km).mody wrote:Akash NG, is supposed to be 70-80 Kms. It is our equivalent to the Barak-8 based MRSAM.
Will cost less than half as per some online speculation.