Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

nam · Post by **nam** » 03 Feb 2021 18:49

VL SRSAM. Astra 2 not made public yet.

srai · Post by **srai** » 03 Feb 2021 19:22

^^^
VL SRSAM looks to be same as Astra

srai · Post by **srai** » 03 Feb 2021 19:35

nachiket wrote:
jamwal wrote:Have I misread it or does Akash NG has active seeker of it's own? So it doesn't needs to be guided to it's target by ground based radars like Akash. 70km maximum range with same velocity is quite good.
It is initially guided by the ground based radar till its own seeker goes active and acquires the target. Similar to a BVRAAM like Astra/R-77/AMRAAM. Even the Akash 1S has an active seeker. Only the base Akash does not.

srai · Post by **srai** » 04 Feb 2021 01:45

Hawk-i SAAW

srai · Post by **srai** » 04 Feb 2021 01:47

Nirbhay sea-skimming

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 04 Feb 2021 03:33

Click on link below for picture.

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 16673?s=20 ---> SANT makes its appearance. Basically a HELINA derivative with a MMW seeker originally developed as part of the Nag program. All-weather (as versus an EO seeker), shaping up as India's Brimstone. Will surely be explored for even fast jets IMHO.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 04 Feb 2021 07:42

https://twitter.com/delhidefence/status ... 40419?s=20 ---> Here is the Ku Band Active RF seeker. The eyes of the Akash-NG missile. From RCI at #AeroIndia2021.

Thakur_B · Post by **Thakur_B** » 04 Feb 2021 08:01

^^ So Akash NG does not have aesa based seeker?

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 04 Feb 2021 12:06

Delhi Defence Review
@delhidefence
First look at the NASM-SR missile at #aeroindia2021

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 05 Feb 2021 04:31

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/delhidefence/status ... 40419?s=20 ---> Here is the Ku Band Active RF seeker. The eyes of the Akash-NG missile. From RCI at #AeroIndia2021.

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 17056?s=20 ---> Just look at that target velocities: "up to 2300 m/s". That's Mach 6.7 which is higher than terminal velocities of Prithvi-II/III or Prahaar. Which means Akash-NG can intercept TBMs or BRBMs and even long range MLRS rounds.

Enough to panic Nasr, Fateh-1/A-100 or PCL191 operators.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Feb 2021 04:43

Also ends Patriot chances of sales to IAF.

John · Post by **John** » 05 Feb 2021 05:48

Rakesh wrote:
Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/delhidefence/status ... 40419?s=20 ---> Here is the Ku Band Active RF seeker. The eyes of the Akash-NG missile. From RCI at #AeroIndia2021.
https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 17056?s=20 ---> Just look at that target velocities: "up to 2300 m/s". That's Mach 6.7 which is higher than terminal velocities of Prithvi-II/III or Prahaar. Which means Akash-NG can intercept TBMs or BRBMs and even long range MLRS rounds.

Enough to panic Nasr, Fateh-1/A-100 or PCL191 operators.

That’s capability of the seeker not the capability of the missile.

Nilanjan · Post by **Nilanjan** » 05 Feb 2021 14:17

Thakur_B wrote:^^ So Akash NG does not have aesa based seeker?

No, seeker is not aesa..but, its fire control radar is aesa..ku band aesa is being designed for astra mk2

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 07 Feb 2021 16:45

https://youtu.be/eakfeHkfv5Q
Regarding Nirbhay
Watching from 3.31 onwards : The lady is explaining that trials completed and waiting for services acceptance.
Meaning all those 'Prithvi' user-trials were just a cover!!!

kit · Post by **kit** » 07 Feb 2021 17:15

the missile developments are now so fast that its hard to keep up

anyway NASM-SR means there is an ER as well ??

rocket propulsion but subsonic ..interesting

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 07 Feb 2021 19:57

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 19872?s=20 ----> The DRDL's brand new Naval Anti Ship Missile Short Range. Re-targeting capability plus in-built intelligence (ATR). In a manner of speaking, India's Penguin AshM.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 07 Feb 2021 19:58

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 54208?s=20 ---> DRDO's new AESA seeker. Will likely replace Astra seeker provided weight /power /volume specs are compatible. Offers same range performance with the advantages of AESA (inertialess scanning, lockon maintained against fast moving targets), better ECCM (wider bandwidth likely).

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 07 Feb 2021 20:03

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 50337?s=20 ---> DRDO's other seekers, apart from the AESA. On the top is Akash NG's seeker, looks like. High-power, double the range performance of the AESA. Middle, derived from the original LCA MMR (we used that experience to develop a high power seeker for the PAD).

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 07 Feb 2021 20:04

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 88578?s=20 ---> First look at RCI's imaging infra red seeker lineup. From the Naval anti ship missile, to an anti-aircraft seeker, to Nag/HELINA, they have all the building blocks for a range of missiles.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 07 Feb 2021 20:06

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 41090?s=20 ---> NGARM is truly a world class system in its own right. As surmised, significant range (200 km), uses passive homing head + inertial navigation for mid-course guidance. For accurate terminal guidance, it has a MMW seeker. Plus, has a data link, indicating re-targeting capability.

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 96226?s=20 ---> Note the comment about SEAD in Offensive Air Operations. This is not a defensive short range weapon which you suppress opponent radars with, when tracked and locked upon. This is a long range weapon meant to actively seek out and destroy crucial radars in the opening stages.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 07 Feb 2021 20:07

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 19649?s=20 ---> QRSAM details. System can attack up to 6 targets simultaneously, is clearly optimized for low flying targets. With an EO (IR, LRF), active seeker, data link, the system will be a handful for most targets. Indicates, it can be launched passive or in Lock on After Launch modes.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 07 Feb 2021 20:08

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 36578?s=20 ---> The HELINA. The system specifications indicate what the delay was about - LOBL at 7km (!!), up to 8 per chopper, with the kind of penetration it's tandem warhead has, most tanks worldwide will be toast.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 08 Feb 2021 11:35

The good news is that Helina seems optimized for the WSI. Given LCH's forever-delayed orders, equipping the WSI's make a lot of sense

Given that the WSI doesn't have a WSO, it might have driven a design decision to increase the LOBL launch range & hence the 7 Km range seeker. In the previous AI videos of Helina, we saw how the WSO can select one of many targets mid-flight in an LOAL mode. This option doesn't exist on the WSI, though the Helina might be able to do LOAL also, once its certified for LCH.

Lets see. Seems to still be in trial mode. Hopefully inductions will start happening soon.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 08 Feb 2021 15:45

An IDN report says that Ru supplies of 2 regiments of S-400s to the PRC may not have been completed.Key components/elements including completing training,etc. were never completed, Ru citing " Covid". However,these delays appear to have taken place after the Galwan clashes and official Ru statements indicate that our order for 5 regiments of S-400s is proceeding according to schedule. If accurate it may be a subtle way in which Ru is tilting towards India ,say some desi analysts, despite its good relations with the PRC huge buyers of Ru oil.
Some other reports hint that 5 regiments may be increased in number the future, but given the v.tight budget status, other critical shortfalls may take precedence.

Despite repeated US warnings about buying weaponry from Russia, the GOI has been quite cool and rightly so ignoring Yanqui diktat. The latest mouthings by dim-wit US celebrities and so-celled intellectual busybodies like one Meena Harris, interfering in our domestic affairs, is unlikely to see Modiji " hugging " Sleepy Joe metaphorically on the issue.

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 08 Feb 2021 23:30

Philip is upto his usual antics of trying to prop up Russian interests and viewpoints.

The Russians have gone slow on the supply of S400 to the lizards because of some serious violations of by the chinese of the agreements in between them (Reverse engineering). It has got absolutely nothing with tilting towards India. In fact it is the other way round which is clear from the garbage mouthed by their foreign ministry earlier with respect to the CPEC (India should join CPEC even if it is passing through POK) and from the foreign minister himself with respect to the LAC situation and to the Quad.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 08 Feb 2021 23:37

Russia and China have expanded their strategic missile defense partnership with the former agreeing to help the latter in developing/upgrading a national strategic missile early warning system with likely some strong partnership on this front expected going forward. As far as strategic BMD is concerned, this, if followed through, would tie them closer than the two have ever been when it has come to BMD.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 08 Feb 2021 23:54

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 98432?s=20 ---> Official specs of India's Nirbhay cruise missile:

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 10 Feb 2021 01:16

#PlaneCarnival | Young & mighty #BrahMos stars share the secret behind supersonic missile | #Unsung

BrahMos for Tajes to be smaller in size however will have the same punch

A Sharma · Post by **A Sharma** » 14 Feb 2021 21:32

Flag off ceremony of final production batch of LRSAM Missiles

Final production batch of Long Range Surface to Air Missiles (LRSAM), designed and developed by DRDO in collaboration with various industry partnersand integrated by BDL, was flagged off on 14 Feb 2021 at DRDL,APJ Abdul Kalam Missile Complex, Hyderabad in the presence of Dr. G Satheesh Reddy, Secretary, DDR&D and Chairman DRDO and Rear Admiral V Rajasekhar, VSM Director, Defence Machine Design Establishment ( DMDE).

LRSAM is jointly developed by DRDO and IAI Israel to equip latest ships of Indian Navy. This LRSAM Missile system can provide point and area defence against various aerial targets including fighter aircraft, subsonic & supersonic cruise missiles. The Missile is powered by indigenously developed dual-pulse rocket motor and dual control system to impart required manoeuvrability at the terminal phase. This state of art weapon system is designed with active Radio Frequency (RF) seeker to identify, track, engage and destroy the target with high kill probability.

LRSAM system end to end performance has been successfully demonstrated through number of user flight trials from Indian Naval ships. This weapon system has been successfully productionised and has been delivered to Indian Navy.

Secretary, DDR&D highlighted the importance of indigenous production efforts and complemented the industries that have established the manufacturing facilities and successfully executed the production orders in achieving the goal towards 'Make in India'. He also commended the efforts of Missile System Quality Assurance Agency (MSQAA), DG (NAI) in streamlining the production activities at various industries across India, leading to delivery of missiles with aerospace quality standards.

Rear Admiral V Rajasekhar, VSM of Indian Navy appreciated the efforts of DRDO for successfully completing the production order and strengthening air defence capability of Indian Navy. He also urged DRDO to design and develop similar advanced weapon systems meeting futuristic warfare.

A Sharma · Post by **A Sharma** » 14 Feb 2021 21:35

Tonbo bags multi-million-dollar deal for indigenizing Indian missiles

The Bengaluru-based firm has won a large deal with Bharat Dynamics Ltd to indigenise new missile seekers for the multi-million dollar anti-tank guided missile programme that BDL is building for the Indian Army. For Tonbo, it is an opportunity to tap over $500 million in the next few years.
“We signed up with BDL to supply the EO-IR (electro-optical-infrared) seeker and command launcher unit (CLU) that controls and launches the missile and engages with the target before launch,” said Ankit Kumar, co-founder at Tonbo Imaging. “We along with BDL are integrating the CLU and seeker with their missile and BDL will supply the end system to the Army.”
As this is a make-II programme in which players willing to invest upfront and indigenously design and develop the missile, are only qualified to participate. Tonbo has to show 60 per cent Indian content and prove the design is indigenous. So any foreign solution also has to first prove the indigenisation and acquire all design and IPR (intellectual property rights) within India. BDL is the prime front runner qualifying all the requirements and has necessary capabilities to check all the tick marks in the EOI (expression of interest).
What differentiates Tonbo is that before the launch of the missile, the target is acquired by the CLU. The target picture is handed over to the missile seeker and once fired the missile with Tonbo's eyes and brain (seeker) homes onto the target with cm level precision. This is called fire and forget missile launch. Unlike older generation missile systems which are wire-guided and missile-control is with the gunner even after its fired and the missile is manually manoeuvred towards the target. In fire and forget, once the missile is fired the gunner has no control over it and its seeker manoeuvres it towards the target.
“We are the eyes and the brain of the missile,” said Kumar. “Our thermal and visual imaging sensors allow the missile to locate and identify the target and our advanced AI-based algorithms track the target, even if it's on the move.”

kit · Post by **kit** » 14 Feb 2021 21:45

brar_w wrote:Russia and China have expanded their strategic missile defense partnership with the former agreeing to help the latter in developing/upgrading a national strategic missile early warning system with likely some strong partnership on this front expected going forward. As far as strategic BMD is concerned, this, if followed through, would tie them closer than the two have ever been when it has come to BMD.

China is a direct threat to the territorial integrity of the Russian far east. Isn't this like giving away the keys of the house to a potential thief ? OT though

John · Post by **John** » 15 Feb 2021 00:25

^ Replied for that in the Russian thread.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 15 Feb 2021 18:12

A Sharma wrote:Tonbo bags multi-million-dollar deal for indigenizing Indian missiles

Which missiles are these?

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 15 Feb 2021 20:48

India to start trials of 160 km strike range Astra missile this year

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"The trial for the Astra Mark would be starting in the second half of this year and we are hoping to see the missile fully developed by 2022," government officials told ANI.
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hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 16 Feb 2021 00:12

Prem Kumar wrote:
A Sharma wrote:Tonbo bags multi-million-dollar deal for indigenizing Indian missiles
Which missiles are these?

This video says MPATGM. TIFWIW.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 16 Feb 2021 00:55

If Astra which will be tested this year can have range of 160km, then it is safe to assume that some of our newer SAMs have much longer range than advertised.

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 16 Feb 2021 04:28

Astra CCM is also round the corner.

basant · Post by **basant** » 16 Feb 2021 15:01

Chota bhai and bada bhai! Cool!

mody · Post by **mody** » 16 Feb 2021 19:11

The report says that TONBO seeker will be an uncooled seeker and hence much smaller, lighter and cheaper than the Man Portable version of the Nag missile. Will help in keeping the missile weight and cost down. For a 2.5 Km range missile, would an uncooled seeker be good enough? Might have problems with the IA requirement of soaking the targets in mid day desert heat and then trying to target them.