Terroristan - November 11, 2019

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g.sarkar wrote:Vipsji,
just as individuals have karma to work out, nations too have karma. Pakistanis coming to Europe is a part of that karma. When I was in Berlin back in the 80s, 80,000 Pakistanis had claimed political asylum. Not a single case was successful. But each case took about two years to adjudicate, while the applicant was able to work and send home money. That right was taken away and the process was sped up. Still they came numbering in thousands. They had to be accommodated, fed and often medically treated. They fell under the social net meant for the citizens. The entire process cost billions for the tax payer.
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One more unrelated point in the early 90's feeling the pain of the even Germany agreeing to permanently giving away East Prussia, Silesia and Pommerania largely to Poland and little bit to Russia, they were egging Pakis to take thier impotent rage by taking Kashmir from India and leading to a collapse of India.

Everyone knows about the Pakis but they are great tool for Eliminating the Indian civilisation.
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Paul wrote:
Vips wrote:
I have written this earlier and I reiterate now that Yindoo "Defence experts" are too apologetic and have an inherent self destructive trait in their DNA. For matters Strategic and Security related affairs especially in regards to Porkistan we should only rely on Syed Atta Hasnain and Maroof Raza. They are practical and on the money in their views and analysis.
C Rajamohan works from Singapore and works for an US sponsored Thinktank (name escapes me)
Raja Mohun works in the National University of Singapore. Earlier he was director of Carnegie India. Couldn't get funding for Carnegie and had to leave.
Like most academics, he has to be careful about not getting "too hot" on Pakistan. He will be declared a jingo and not invited by Europeans who frequently fund his talks.
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Parasu wrote:Like most academics, he has to be careful about not getting "too hot" on Pakistan. He will be declared a jingo and not invited by Europeans who frequently fund his talks.
Funny, that never seems to be a concern for those who pass off for academics from and on Pakistan!!
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^^^^ can you bite a dog just because a dog can bite you?
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yensoy wrote:^^^^ can you bite a dog just because a dog can bite you?
No, but if you are a Telugu person you would know that proper antidote to a dog biting you is to give that dog a nice juicy one with your shoe.
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https://tribune.com.pk/story/2290124/no ... order-coas

No good can be expected from outside until we put own house in order: COAS

“We have realised that unless our own house is in order, nothing good could be expected from outside,” army chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa said while speaking at the first-ever Islamabad Security Dialogue on Thursday.

Pakistan has resisted the temptation to compete in the arms race despite rising security challenges, he added. "Our long campaign against the tide of terrorism and extremism manifests our resolve and will"....."On top of it, despite being impoverished, we end up spending a lot of our money on defence, which naturally comes at the expense of human development," he added.

The army chief maintained that the potential of the region remained hostage to the disputes between the two nuclear neighbours.

I think India is turning a corner.

I think that if India does not mess up, the build-up of a credible domestic Military-industrial complex is the best deterrence against Pakistan.

India is on its way to building self-reliance in Artillery, Navy, Aircraft and Missiles. If we get our house in order, we would be self reliant in submarines, tanks and small arms as well. Which means that Arming India actually contributes to the economy, the money stays inside. In 10 years time I hope India is self reliant in most weapons and is the No 1 weapons exporter to countries in the region.

Pakistan on the other hand probably sees writing on the wall. There is no way they can modernize their airforce for example, without Chinese or American largesse. If you think MMRCA is costly for a country of India's economic size imagine what the expected cost for Pakistan is, to arm their airforce to deter Indian air force.

For a long time Pakistan could hurt India by carrying out terror under the nuclear umbrella. They train Kasab for cheap and we wring our hands in helplessness. India has now set the expectation that we will retaliate conventionally if that happens. Pakistan cannot ride up the escalatory ladder, we will give them a bloody nose with a better armed and equipped armed forces. Pakistan does not have strong allies who will pick up fights with India on behalf of Pakistan. Yes, China will pick up fights with India, but that will be for Chinese objectives, not Pakistan. Alliance too comes at great cost. Either GUBO to Massa's GOAT or GUBO to Cheen's power plant tarrifs.

If Pakistan wants to show they are sincere about all the rhetoric, they can hand over Dawood and Lashkar leadership to India.
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Bull$hit
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The army chief maintained that the potential of the region remained hostage to the disputes between the two nuclear neighbours.
Same old paki duplicity, always given away by the "after-thought". India does not need the Pakis to provide access to Central Asia -- there is a direct route via Ladakh/Afghanisthan which will be operable once the Pakis vacate the part of Ladakh they are illegally occupying. So the pakis can vacate that instead of "providing India access to central asia" which will be used to blackmail India if ever such a thing was operationalized -- we have seen what happened to US supplies through Pakistan. Bajwa and paki army must think everyone else is a stupid as they are.
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The Porkis have realized that India inspite of the Congis, Lutyens, Chinese and Paki machinations has broken free and is only going to be more powerful henceforth. It is really the economics/development differential which is making light bulbs switch on in Pindi/slumabad. The increased GDP and corresponding increase in our defence budget in the future is browning their pants. They know that another 5-10 years and Pakistan would be relegated to the status of Nepal or Bhutan vis-a-vis India.

They want to now entice India either to lower its guard or like the parasites they are, want to partake in its riches.
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The importance of "Access to Central Asia" is way overblown. The primary impediments to India growing at 8-10% every year are our own policy missteps on the economic front. Investment in ports and internal infrastructure, labor laws, land acquisition woes, red-tape etc. We do not need direct land access to central asia in order to grow our economy rapidly and become a middle-income country and conversely, getting that access is not going to magically turn India into a manufacturing and export powerhouse. As for our oil and gas needs, there are other ways to get them. So the pakis can take their central asian access and stuff it. All we need from them is the cessation of terrorist activities against India.
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Pakistan is like a scorpion they cannot resist stinging India especially when Modi is PM. They will defend try something outrageous.
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Does Pakistan have any sort of plan outside of "we are the fortress of Islam and we will destroy dark rice-eating Indians"? They have no vision for what they want to be, so they are what they planned to be, a "fortress of islam" seething with inbred, ignorant, violent, islamofascists, and a favorite of wannabe-pakis like Turkey and Malaysia.
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https://twitter.com/anand_arni/status/1 ... 9417228292
Of course, but one small step would be to permit transit trade between India and Afghanistan. Apart from being a great CBM, it would benefit all three countries.
Such an opinion is okay if one is a civilian, but this moron is Ex-RAW, who pretends to be a "policy expert" on Afghanisthan. Let us say the pakis call this bluff. Then what?

Quite amazing that low IQ morons like Anand Arni were actually working for RAW all these years,but then he and AS Dulat are cast from the same mold, and move in similar circles.
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Just like that we are back to what Pakistan & the Aman ki tamasha brigade used to say in the '90s. Or is it the '80s.

Anyway, this is more rinse & repeat for the benefit of Indians with no memory.
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srikandan wrote:Does Pakistan have any sort of plan outside of "we are the fortress of Islam and we will destroy dark rice-eating Indians"? They have no vision for what they want to be, so they are what they planned to be, a "fortress of islam" seething with inbred, ignorant, violent, islamofascists, and a favorite of wannabe-pakis like Turkey and Malaysia.
There is also, "we have the most strategic location and the world should pay us for it" going back to the time of Jinnah in 1947-48.

The "access-to-central-asia" carrot is part of that same theme. We are the highway robbers sitting in a strategic location ready to ambush you, but if you pay us (or give cashmere) we may possibly temporarily not attack and rob your caravans.
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A load of crap. India must stay away from any sort of rapproachment economic or otherwise. Bakistan MUST implode. We just need a free Balochistan for Central Asian access.
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srikandan wrote:https://twitter.com/anand_arni/status/1 ... 9417228292
Of course, but one small step would be to permit transit trade between India and Afghanistan. Apart from being a great CBM, it would benefit all three countries.
Such an opinion is okay if one is a civilian, but this moron is Ex-RAW, who pretends to be a "policy expert" on Afghanisthan.

Quite amazing that low IQ morons like Anand Arni were actually working for RAW all these years,but then he and AS Dulat are cast from the same mold, and move in similar circles.
It must have cost the pakis a bomb to get such guys to say what the pakis want them to say.

they are hurting bad.

CPEC is almost down the toilet, the hans will not help them after what happened to their slant eyed darlings at galwan, the pakis have no money to buy anything from the hans, and the eyerabs and the eyeranians have kicked them out. turki is only hanging on because they are hoping to score some nukes from the pakis.

The Hindus are the only ones gullible enough to fall for their snake oil sales pitch. so it's back to aman ki tamasha all over again. bollywood, cricket and "people to people" schitt.

they want us to forget what they did during shaheenbagh, caa and jinnah walli aazadi...

they need oil, electric power, cross border trade for food staples, veggies and beef at Indian prices and free access to India for medical tourism.
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^^^^
They still hate us and would destroy us given half a chance. This is the Pak Army taking its orders from Beijing. CPC/PRA is obviously very worried about India’s deepening military relationship with the US. This latest peace move is a hoax to make India feel more secure and not feel the need to partner with the US. We should do the opposite of course. Use the ceasefire to build up even more.
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Dimran left out the second part of the sentence: "And Pakistan will charge a rent for that access"

Expect more statements and think tanks and Amonkey's ayesha track 2 statements like "Big brother should have big heart" and "meet halfway in the middle".

Pakistan can show its sincerity by handing over Dawood, dismantling JeM/LeT and handing over their leaders. It can also show its sincerity by handing over leaders of the Haqqani network to Afghanistan, dismantling various terror franchises.

When that happens, I am sure India will reciprocate with trade ties and confidence building.
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srikandan wrote:https://twitter.com/anand_arni/status/1 ... 9417228292
Of course, but one small step would be to permit transit trade between India and Afghanistan. Apart from being a great CBM, it would benefit all three countries.
Such an opinion is okay if one is a civilian, but this moron is Ex-RAW, who pretends to be a "policy expert" on Afghanisthan. Let us say the pakis call this bluff. Then what?

Quite amazing that low IQ morons like Anand Arni were actually working for RAW all these years,but then he and AS Dulat are cast from the same mold, and move in similar circles.
Actually I do not view what he says in such a negative light.

Pakistan had banned afghan transit trade. Let them allow afghan transit trade. All three countries benefit.

If he is being Chunkian, he is actually calling their bluff by proposing this: The world has been dulled into thinking they owe Pakistan a favor for behaving normally. Like for example Pakistan's typical negotiating tactic is "We have not conducted bomb blasts for past 1 year, what do we get as reward?". Normal countries dont plan and conduct bomb blasts. The reward for not conducting bomb blasts is "Congratulations, you are not Pakistan".

Transit trade is similar. Most countries allow transit trade, with some tariffs and regulations. There is not "reward" for that.

If Pakistan allows afghan transit trades without trying to use it as a leverage for something else, then yes. It is an early indication that they are sincere.
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After the withdrawal of American benevolence, the growth of Indian economy/technology including the ASAT test, the remarkable Balakot action, the defeat of the red China military, Pakistan has proved that it is irrelevant to India.

So some self bemedalled field marshal to be expresses concern for sooth Asia’s poor. The response isn’t even a belly laugh, I’m afraid.
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Anujan: Actually I do not view what he says in such a negative light.
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If Pakistan allows afghan transit trades without trying to use it as a leverage for something else, then yes. It is an early indication that they are sincere.
I made that comment after taking a peek at Anand Arni's twitter timeline -- the joker considers the tool MK Bhadrakumar as some sort of foreign policy maven.

However, the pros of this view are as you suggest. The cons are related to the fact others have mentioned about pakistan's current state where it needs trade with India for most basic needs, so tactically it is a good move for pakistani army to "allow transit trade" because they can piggyback normalizing trade with pakistan on the back of that policy. All they need to do is con India into such a move, and then we will be back to the pre-balakot days of the pre-modi "talk, talk, hit, hit" nonsense that was considered pakistani policy back then. MAD's "hit and don't talk" paki strategy is clearly a more effective approach.

I mean, do we really think the paki army will not use transit as a weapon if they could. Given their past history where they messed with the US's transit of supplies to afghanisthan and used it as leverage against the USA, and this is when the transit was yielding billions of $s as reward from the US.

On the balance, there is no reason for India to commit any action that will extend's pakistan's existence as a country, given their current state.
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Anujan wrote:
srikandan wrote:https://twitter.com/anand_arni/status/1 ... 9417228292



Such an opinion is okay if one is a civilian, but this moron is Ex-RAW, who pretends to be a "policy expert" on Afghanisthan. Let us say the pakis call this bluff. Then what?

Quite amazing that low IQ morons like Anand Arni were actually working for RAW all these years,but then he and AS Dulat are cast from the same mold, and move in similar circles.
Actually I do not view what he says in such a negative light.

Pakistan had banned afghan transit trade. Let them allow afghan transit trade. All three countries benefit.

If he is being Chunkian, he is actually calling their bluff by proposing this: The world has been dulled into thinking they owe Pakistan a favor for behaving normally. Like for example Pakistan's typical negotiating tactic is "We have not conducted bomb blasts for past 1 year, what do we get as reward?". Normal countries dont plan and conduct bomb blasts. The reward for not conducting bomb blasts is "Congratulations, you are not Pakistan".

Transit trade is similar. Most countries allow transit trade, with some tariffs and regulations. There is not "reward" for that.

If Pakistan allows afghan transit trades without trying to use it as a leverage for something else, then yes. It is an early indication that they are sincere.

you guys haven't read the full paki statement and it's import with the usual paki riders and conditions


It is all incumbent on "India" "solving" the cashmere problem before the pakis will deign to do anything and "India" creating the conditions for peace to prevail so that talks can be held.

this translates very simply as: give us cashmere and get out

prithviraj is alive and well. In the past 70 odd years, how many times have the pakis been "sincere" and how many times have they fooled us.


It is because India is finally doing what she should have done for the past 70 odd years, that the pakis are hurting real bad and modi is not so easy to fool after the pakis taught him a lesson during nawaz shariff's time and those very people who abused Modi then are asking for India to trust the pakis now.

every CBM that Modi has/is extended/ing has come out of the business end of an automatic weapon or an artillery/mortar piece. the farcical lootyens sponsored aman ki tamasha is dead. We are better off this way.

this is how India should treat the pakis and they are squealing like stuck pigs.

and, don't fall for any CBM nonsense because it is all one sided BS, favoring only the pakis. In 1947, about one half of the neverwho Indian cabinet was siding with the pakis.

transit trade is for the afghans to worry about. We needlessly ship them a lot of free stuff anyway and they have gotten used to getting that and demanding more.
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the current moves of "immy the dimmy" and "shaking bajwa" have moeed yusuf MY written all over it. MY for years has been advising building trade/economic relations with india which will give them leverage over India. right now as per MY ,Pak has no leverage of any kind wrt india. as per him, the security paradigm of PA has led Pakistan into economic and political irrelevance. He said in a few years as economic disparity with india grows, india will treat Pak as nepal or bhutan. Pak has to ensure it stays economically competitive with india. once india reaps economic benefits from trading with / through pakistan it will be more amenable to pak position on kashmir.
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Good point about this being MY's brainchild, @manjgu. Clearly in their thinking, it is not about India reaping economic benefit, it's about Pak reaping the peace dividend by moving its spending away from defence. Bajwa must have been made an offer he couldn't refuse, besides it seems to be a common view that he is actually somewhat of a reasonably guy (compared with the rabid fellows before/after him). These are people who can be hoodwinked into blowing themselves up for 72 hoors in the future, so such a promise of a bright future with temporary inconvenience must have been made to the Fauj at large.

Indian response has been perfect. IA/military welcomes the ceasefire. And all other discussion stops there, because whom to discuss with? Our civilian leadership certainly can't be talking to pakfauj, and no point talking to IK anyway.
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https://www.dawn.com/news/1613120/india ... se-ties-pm
India must make first move to normalise ties: PM
Baqir Sajjad Syed, March 18, 2021

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan on Wednesday said that India would have to make the first move to normalise ties with Pakistan.
“We are trying, but India would have to take the first step and unless it does that we cannot move ahead,” Mr Khan said while inaugurating the first edition of the two-day Islamabad Security Dialogue hosted by the National Security Division in collaboration with government-funded think tanks.
The prime minister, however, did not elaborate what he expected India to do as the first step to resumption of ties.
The perpetually tense relations between the two countries, which have fought three wars, besides engaging in several episodes of limited conflict, to quote the words of PM Khan, suffered a “breakdown” after India forcibly and illegally annexed Occupied Jammu and Kashmir on Aug 5, 2019.
However, the two countries sprung a surprise last month by announcing resumption of ceasefire at the Line of Control (LoC) after a ‘hotline contact’ between the director generals of military operations of the two countries. Many believe that agreement was made possible through a backchannel, although Pakistani officials strongly deny it.
No violation has since then been reported at LoC and importantly there has been visible reduction in rhetoric from both sides. Prime Minister Khan’s speech at Islamabad Dialogue too was without the usual criticism of the Indian government, whom he had in the past likened to Nazis of Germany, and its actions, especially in Kashmir.
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I did business with Central Asia, Iran and Afghanistan, for several years.
There are established routes to trade with Central Asia. They go through Iran or Turkey. e.g. Kandla-Bandar Abbas- Mashad- Central Asia.
The cost does not depend only on distance (though the above route is no longer than any through Pak), but on supply and demand i.e. the volume
of 2 way traffic, time taken etc. Afghanistan freight is high because containers come back empty and a Taliban tax has to be paid at every roadblock.
For Afghanistan, the established route is via Islamqala (from Mashad) or Zaranj (from Chabahar port). The cost is no higher than if Pak gave us access.

With the Biden administration not taking as tough a stance on Iran, as Trump did, this is an opportunity for us to strengthen these routes and our commitment to developing Iranian port and rail infrastructure.
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If Baluchistan is a separate Country, then these things become much better
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Aditya_V wrote:If Baluchistan is a separate Country, then these things become much better
Until then, Chabahar port, only a short distance from Chinese owned Gwadar, is a better alternative. It also has better road and rail
infrastructure in the hinterland.
Western Afghanistan, which has a Hazara (Shia) majority, is more peaceful and more India friendly than the Pashtun (Sunni) dominated Eastern Afghanistan. The US-Iran conflict has come in the way of Western Afghanistan's development.
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g.sarkar wrote:https://www.dawn.com/news/1613120/india ... se-ties-pm
India must make first move to normalise ties: PM
Baqir Sajjad Syed, March 18, 2021


Gautam
It is this desperate paki quest for a false equivalency with India that is gumming up the works for them.

every single statement of theirs starts with spoken/unspoken premise invoking the 70 year old dirge that insists that India must treat the pakis as equals and deal with them on this basis of equality only

In which demented world of theirs do they imagine that India is equal to a barbaric and misbegotten desert cult wasteland, one that is completely mired in beggary by day, buggery by night and in duplicity and corruption 24x7 days of the week.

they have been rejected by their own ummah as being too toxic to deal with and have been rejected by the eyerabs as well as the eyeranians as untrustworthy and too crooked even for those hard core shia/sunni desert cults to handle

the pakis are bitter about the fact that they have squandered all the choices that they had by being greedy and grasping, guided by what they thought was their sovereign muslim entitlement guaranteed them by their "status" as a nuclear state.

The fact that India has made far better use of its choices to build the Indian nation, its institutions and has embedded democracy and embodied merit into the body politic rankles majorly with them.

Even though they hate Modi, there is almost universal admiration envy for him in pukiland for what he has achieved, his rise from very humble beginnings to the PM's gaddi on his own merits, they all admire without reservation, his selfless, focussed and dedicated efforts to make India prosperous and powerful and bring positive change into the life of every Indian.

bajwa and his army are hurting real bad and so niazi has been roped in to buttress bajwa's attempts to dampen the fires that has almost engulfed their miserable excuse for a country.

if Modi has so decisively tied trade to peace on the border and emphatically rebuffed the hans who are desperately trying to delink the two, claiming that one has no connection to the other and trade can and must go on, even while the hans are killing Indian soldiers on the borders, how does bajwa think that he can trade with India while shelling us and sending muslim terrorists into India

The pakis desperately need the Indian Army to ease off on their borders while traitors in lootyens dilli and congi pasand cocktail circuit babooze pressurize the Modi govt to open up cross border trade.

There is a large groundswell of bitter resentment building up in the aam abduls, and especially the aam ayeshas at the spectre of the scarcity of common foodstuff, petrol, cooking gas and the high prices and the inflation.

these aam abduls, and the aam ayeshas know that massive mismanagement of the India situation by bajwa's army is the root cause of their misery, as also the mirage of cashmere that is costing them their present and maybe their futures too.

IMHO, bajwa is either aiming to be the PM or the martial law administrator. niazi is just a convenient political neck and chosen bali ka bhakra to drape the noose.
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These statements are actually a sales pitch to US/Biden/Kamala. Definitely the brain child of MY who was based in the US for many years. The ploy is that these statements will influence Biden to put pressure on India to respond favourably. How good would it look on Biden's CV if he made India-Pak relations normalise within months of taking office? How great will it make Kamala look if thanks to her Indian roots, she can solve the most dangerous issue between 2 nuclear armed third world nations?! I can see Nobel dreams overpowering the senses of Biden & Harris.

In return for that US will once again bankroll Pak, and ask India to work closely with Pak on the larger role Biden wants India to play in Afghanistan enabling him to focus on countering China, India's real bugbear.

Quite a good move by Pakis actually. But the motivation has nothing to with suddenly becoming good and improving relations with India. Its playing US-India-China against each other to carve out a survival space for itself. India & Hindu hatred remains intact, Jehadi hordes will be given a R&R period to focus on indoctrinating the next generations to prepare a fresh supply of cannon fodder with improved jehadi skill set, to be ready to get into action again in 3-5 years. Thats the ploy.

Our response should be, Ha ha, there are no Jassoo Mithaiwallahs here anymore !!! We are quite happy with the current new normal with Pakistan. We are fine to forego trade with Pak. We are doing quite alright without access to Central Asia through Pak. We have nothing to gain by going back to the old normal. Shouldn't surprise you since you consider this Govt as Nazi RSS backed Hindu Nationalist extremist anyway right?

If you are serious, you should hand over the 30 criminals list given by late Sushmaji (I think), accept international observers group by UNSC to oversee dismantling of terror camps and terrorists put in special jails. Implement a massive deradicalisation program under the eyes of international and Indian observers stationed in Pak. Implement a total de-nuclearisation program under the eyes of NSG & Indian observers. Repeal Sharia law, close madarssas and reform education system. Remove blasphemy laws and recognise Ahmadias and all non muslims as equal citizen. Pak Army must placed under the tutelage of Indian Army. ISI disbanded. Current Army, ISI & ISPR officers removed and put to work in voluntary organisations on Swacch Pak Abhiyaan to build and maintain toilets. Oh by the way, we almost forgot, cede control of G&B and POK to India. Cancel transfer of Sakshgam to China. Cancel CPEC.

When you agree to all of these, we can talk. We don't doubt your sincerity to have normal relations with India. Not one bit. But that comes at a price, see above.
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chetak wrote: ...
Even though they hate Modi, there is almost universal admiration for him in pukiland for what he has achieved, his rise from very humble beginnings to the PM's gaddi on his own merits, they all admire without reservation, his selfless, focussed and dedicated efforts to make India prosperous and powerful and bring positive change into the life of every Indian.
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It's not 'admiration' Chetak ji, it's 'envy'. And therein lies all the difference..

Admiration is a feeling based in appreciation, joy, and emotional generosity. Envy is a feeling based on comparison, inadequacy, and pain.
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Manish_P wrote:
chetak wrote: ...
Even though they hate Modi, there is almost universal admiration for him in pukiland for what he has achieved, his rise from very humble beginnings to the PM's gaddi on his own merits, they all admire without reservation, his selfless, focussed and dedicated efforts to make India prosperous and powerful and bring positive change into the life of every Indian.
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It's not 'admiration' Chetak ji, it's 'envy'. And therein lies all the difference..

Admiration is a feeling based in appreciation, joy, and emotional generosity. Envy is a feeling based on comparison, inadequacy, and pain.
Right you are, saar.

It may even be jealousy.

either way, my bad.
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in one of his vids MY said ..pakistan must also encourage pipeline to India thru Pak. this way indian energy security to some extent will be dependent on Pak and we can squeeze them on kashmir. the underlying theme is how to extract kashmir from india by these little games. With the formation of quad / virtual stoppage of CPEC / covid and IMF relates issue .. pak feels that India will increase the economic/military differential to an extent that Pak will become irrelevant for India. this is the basis of all this pappi jhappi. and why must India take the 1st step...Pak should take atleast 100 steps before India even takes 1 step.
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Cyrano wrote: ...

If you are serious, you should hand over the 30 criminals list given by late Sushmaji (I think), accept international observers group by UNSC to oversee dismantling of terror camps and terrorists put in special jails. Implement a massive deradicalisation program under the eyes of international and Indian observers stationed in Pak. Implement a total de-nuclearisation program under the eyes of NSG & Indian observers. Repeal Sharia law, close madarssas and reform education system. Remove blasphemy laws and recognise Ahmadias and all non muslims as equal citizen. Pak Army must placed under the tutelage of Indian Army. ISPR disbanded. Current Army & ISPR officers removed and put to work in voluntary organisations on Swacch Pak Abhiyaan to build and maintain toilets. Oh by the way, we almost forgot, cede control of G&B and POK to India. Cancel transfer of Sakshgam to China. Cancel CPEC.

When you agree to all of these, we can talk. We don't doubt your sincerity to have normal relations with India. Not one bit. But that comes at a price, see above.
+1

IMO India should put these (and other points) as a list of conditions-to-be-achieved just like the FATF list of requirements.... with resumption of trade relations only on 100% compliance. The Pakis will never agree to even a single point listed above anyway... so anytime the Pakis ask/beg for talks/resumption of relations simply point to the list and ask for verifiable proof of compliance.
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chetak wrote:
Right you are, saar.

It may even be jealousy.

either way, my bad.
Chetak sir, you made me think and check the dictionary.. but i think i found the best explanation in a cartoon series :)
Homer Simpson: “I’m not jealous! I’m envious. Jealousy is when you worry someone will take what you have ... envy is wanting what someone else has.”
Anyway am fully onboard with the points you and Cyrano have made in your posts.
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+1 chetakji, perfect description !
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Cyrano wrote:+1 chetakji, perfect description !
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Pukis are on the ropes. We must give no quarter and take no prisoners. Their national destruction must remain our central goal to avoid this misery being left to our children.
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